On today’s CRU, Sheryl McCollum and Nancy Grace discuss the gruesome details regarding the Kansas moms, Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley, whose bodies were found in a chest freezer buried in a cow pasture. They discuss the chilling details, suspect behaviors, and the meticulous investigation that followed.

Show Notes:
(0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup with a ‘toast to crown royal’    
(2:00) Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Watch For Free on Merit Street Media
(2:50) Latest on Kansas moms - bodies found in a chest freezer 
(7:00) Analysis of suspects' behavior before and after the crime
(11:00) Evidence used is discussed 
(20:30) Possible stereotypes during trial 
(25:00) “That was not hot blood.  They were not angry in the moment about custody of a child. They weren't angry. They were cool, calculated, cold when they dug that hole when they got that freezer chest and put it down in there. To put these two mothers leaving six children behind with a life sentence of life without mommy.”

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Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases. 

In addition, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a daily show hosted by Grace, airs on SIRIUS XM’s Triumph Channel 111 and is downloadable as a podcast on all audio platforms - https://www.crimeonline.com/

Connect with Nancy: 

X: @nancygrace

Instagram:@thenancygrace

Facebook: @nancygrace

Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. 

Connect with Sheryl:

Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com

X: @ColdCaseTips

Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

On today’s CRU, Sheryl McCollum and Nancy Grace discuss the gruesome details regarding the Kansas moms, Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley, whose bodies were found in a chest freezer buried in a cow pasture. They discuss the chilling details, suspect behaviors, and the meticulous investigation that followed.
Show Notes:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">(0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup with a ‘toast to crown royal’    </li>
<li aria-level="1">(2:00) <a href="https://www.meritplus.com/home">Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Watch For Free on Merit Street Media</a> </li>
<li aria-level="1">(2:50) Latest on Kansas moms - bodies found in a chest freezer </li>
<li aria-level="1">(7:00) Analysis of suspects' behavior before and after the crime</li>
<li aria-level="1">(11:00) Evidence used is discussed </li>
<li aria-level="1">(20:30) Possible stereotypes during trial </li>
<li aria-level="1">(25:00) “That was not hot blood.  They were not angry in the moment about custody of a child. They weren't angry. They were cool, calculated, cold when they dug that hole when they got that freezer chest and put it down in there. To put these two mothers leaving six children behind with a life sentence of life without mommy.”</li>
</ul>
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Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases. 
In addition, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a daily show hosted by Grace, airs on SIRIUS XM’s Triumph Channel 111 and is downloadable as a podcast on all audio platforms - <a href="https://www.crimeonline.com/">https://www.crimeonline.com/</a>
Connect with Nancy: 
X:<a href="https://twitter.com/nancygrace?lang=en"> @nancygrace</a>
Instagram:<a href="https://www.instagram.com/thenancygrace/?hl=en"> @thenancygrace</a>
Facebook:<a href="https://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceOfficial"> @nancygrace</a>
Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. 
Connect with Sheryl:
Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
X:<a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/coldcasetips"> @ColdCaseTips</a>
Facebook:<a href="https://www.facebook.com/sheryl.mccollum/"> @sheryl.mccollum</a>

Work a cold case alongside investigator Sheryl “Mac” McCollum, Director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute. Every week, Sheryl dives into her cold case files alongside accomplished guests to look for clues into unsolved murders, missing people, and more. This ain’t just a podcast but a war room. Sheryl opens her cold case files, her heart and her little black book! You will quickly realize Zone 7 is not a place but a lifestyle!

Work a cold case alongside investigator Sheryl “Mac” McCollum, Director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute. Every week, Sheryl dives into her cold case files alongside accomplished guests to look for clues into unsolved murders, missing people, and more. This ain’t just a podcast but a war room. Sheryl opens her cold case files, her heart and her little black book! You will quickly realize Zone 7 is not a place but a lifestyle!

Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

5.24.24 CRU with Nancy Grace: Kansas Moms, Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley Bodies Found in Chest Freezer

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Nancy and Sheryl open today’s CRU by dissecting the disturbing case of Jocelyn Nungaray, a 12-year-old girl who was kidnapped, assaulted, and murdered. They analyze the evidence, including the critical signs of a struggle, and discuss the legal ramifications for the perpetrators. They explore societal reactions to such crimes and the broader implications for justice. Additionally, Nancy and Sheryl briefly touch on Alec Baldwin's legal troubles following the accidental shooting on a movie set, providing their perspectives on responsibility and legal outcomes.

Show Notes:
(0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup   
(2:00) Sheryl gives initial details of the case of Jocelyn 
(4:00) Description of Jocelyn's abduction 
(5:30) Evidence of Jocelyn's struggle 
(14:00) Commentary on public perceptions 
(16:00) Discussion on victim blaming 
(22:00) Personal stories and connections
(23:30) Alec Baldwin's case overview 
(28:00) Potential legal outcomes for Baldwin

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Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases. 

In addition, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a daily show hosted by Grace, airs on SIRIUS XM’s Triumph Channel 111 and is downloadable as a podcast on all audio platforms - https://www.crimeonline.com/

Connect with Nancy: 

X: @nancygrace

Instagram:@thenancygrace

Facebook: @nancygrace

Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. 

Connect with Sheryl:

Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com

X: @ColdCaseTips

Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

Nancy and Sheryl open today’s CRU by dissecting the disturbing case of Jocelyn Nungaray, a 12-year-old girl who was kidnapped, assaulted, and murdered. They analyze the evidence, including the critical signs of a struggle, and discuss the legal ramifications for the perpetrators. They explore societal reactions to such crimes and the broader implications for justice. Additionally, Nancy and Sheryl briefly touch on Alec Baldwin's legal troubles following the accidental shooting on a movie set, providing their perspectives on responsibility and legal outcomes.
Show Notes:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">(0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup   </li>
<li aria-level="1">(2:00) Sheryl gives initial details of the case of Jocelyn </li>
<li aria-level="1">(4:00) Description of Jocelyn's abduction </li>
<li aria-level="1">(5:30) Evidence of Jocelyn's struggle </li>
<li aria-level="1">(14:00) Commentary on public perceptions </li>
<li aria-level="1">(16:00) Discussion on victim blaming </li>
<li aria-level="1">(22:00) Personal stories and connections</li>
<li aria-level="1">(23:30) Alec Baldwin's case overview </li>
<li aria-level="1">(28:00) Potential legal outcomes for Baldwin</li>
</ul>
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Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases. 
In addition, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a daily show hosted by Grace, airs on SIRIUS XM’s Triumph Channel 111 and is downloadable as a podcast on all audio platforms - <a href="https://www.crimeonline.com/">https://www.crimeonline.com/</a>
Connect with Nancy: 
X:<a href="https://twitter.com/nancygrace?lang=en"> @nancygrace</a>
Instagram:<a href="https://www.instagram.com/thenancygrace/?hl=en"> @thenancygrace</a>
Facebook:<a href="https://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceOfficial"> @nancygrace</a>
Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. 
Connect with Sheryl:
Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
X:<a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/coldcasetips"> @ColdCaseTips</a>
Facebook:<a href="https://www.facebook.com/sheryl.mccollum/"> @sheryl.mccollum</a>

6.28.24 CRU with Nancy Grace: The Tragedy of Jocelyn Nungaray

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Jerri Williams has always been a storyteller and, after serving 26 years as a special agent in the FBI, she has plenty of stories to tell. During most of her Bureau career, she worked on major economic fraud investigations and is amazed at the schemes and deceptions con-artist and corrupt corporate and public officials devise to steal other people’s money. She notes that with a gun, they can steal hundreds. But with a lie, they can steal millions.

Listeners can learn more about Jerri Williams at her website, and her podcast

Resources:

Jerri’s Books including Pay To Play and FBI Myths and Misconceptions

Jerri’s podcast FBI Retired Case File Review

In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, is joined by Jerri Williams, a former FBI agent, author, and host of FBI Retired Case File Review. Sheryl and Jerri discuss Jerri's extensive experience with fraud and economic crimes during her 26 years in the FBI including crimes surrounding the elderly, and adoption. Jerri shares stories from the various cons and schemes she encountered, and the psychological impact on victims. Lastly, Jerri debunks myths about what the media portrays the FBI as in shows and movies, and advocates for accurately representing the FBI in media.

Show Notes:
(0:00) Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum  
(0:10) Sheryl introduces Jerri Williams
(1:00) Jerri's background in the FBI and her focus on economic crimes
(6:00) The impact of fraud on elderly victims
(8:00) Examples of fraud cases involving adoption scams
(12:00) The challenge of victims feeling shame and responsibility
(15:00) Misconceptions about the FBI
(19:15) The importance of humor and camaraderie within the FBI
(21:00) Jerri's critique of "Silence of the Lambs"
(26:00) Sheryl and Jerri review TV shows and movies for FBI accuracy
(36:30) Personal experiences and reflections
(37:55) Pay To Play and FBI Myths and Misconceptions
(39:49) “With a gun, they can steal hundreds. But with a lie, they can steal millions.” -J.W
Thanks for listening to another episode! If you’re loving the show and want to help grow the show, please head over to Itunes and leave a rating and review! 

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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.  

Social Links:
Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
Twitter: @ColdCaseTips
Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum
Instagram: @officialzone7podcast

Jerri Williams has always been a storyteller and, after serving 26 years as a special agent in the FBI, she has plenty of stories to tell. During most of her Bureau career, she worked on major economic fraud investigations and is amazed at the schemes and deceptions con-artist and corrupt corporate and public officials devise to steal other people’s money. She notes that with a gun, they can steal hundreds. But with a lie, they can steal millions.
Listeners can learn more about Jerri Williams at her <a href="https://jerriwilliams.com/">website</a>, and her <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fbi-retired-case-file-review/id1082012464">podcast</a>  
Resources:
Jerri’s <a href="https://jerriwilliams.com/books/">Books</a> including <a href="https://jerriwilliams.com/books/pay-to-play-2/">Pay To Play</a> and <a href="https://jerriwilliams.com/books/fbi-myths-and-misconceptions-a-manual-for-armchair-detectives/">FBI Myths and Misconceptions</a>
Jerri’s podcast <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fbi-retired-case-file-review/id1082012464">FBI Retired Case File Review</a>
In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, is joined by Jerri Williams, a former FBI agent, author, and host of <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fbi-retired-case-file-review/id1082012464">FBI Retired Case File Review</a>. Sheryl and Jerri discuss Jerri's extensive experience with fraud and economic crimes during her 26 years in the FBI including crimes surrounding the elderly, and adoption. Jerri shares stories from the various cons and schemes she encountered, and the psychological impact on victims. Lastly, Jerri debunks myths about what the media portrays the FBI as in shows and movies, and advocates for accurately representing the FBI in media.
Show Notes:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">(0:00) Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum  </li>
<li aria-level="1">(0:10) Sheryl introduces Jerri Williams</li>
<li aria-level="1">(1:00) Jerri's background in the FBI and her focus on economic crimes</li>
<li aria-level="1">(6:00) The impact of fraud on elderly victims</li>
<li aria-level="1">(8:00) Examples of fraud cases involving adoption scams</li>
<li aria-level="1">(12:00) The challenge of victims feeling shame and responsibility</li>
<li aria-level="1">(15:00) Misconceptions about the FBI</li>
<li aria-level="1">(19:15) The importance of humor and camaraderie within the FBI</li>
<li aria-level="1">(21:00) Jerri's critique of "Silence of the Lambs"</li>
<li aria-level="1">(26:00) Sheryl and Jerri review TV shows and movies for FBI accuracy</li>
<li aria-level="1">(36:30) Personal experiences and reflections</li>
<li aria-level="1">(37:55) <a href="https://jerriwilliams.com/books/pay-to-play-2/">Pay To Play</a> and <a href="https://jerriwilliams.com/books/fbi-myths-and-misconceptions-a-manual-for-armchair-detectives/">FBI Myths and Misconceptions</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">(39:49) “With a gun, they can steal hundreds. But with a lie, they can steal millions.” -J.W</li>
<li aria-level="1">Thanks for listening to another episode! If you’re loving the show and want to help grow the show, please head over to Itunes and leave a rating and review! </li>
</ul>
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.  
Social Links:
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<li aria-level="1">Email: <a href="mailto:coldcase2004@gmail.com">coldcase2004@gmail.com</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Twitter: <a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/coldcasetips">@ColdCaseTips</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/sheryl.mccollum/">@sheryl.mccollum</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1">Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/officialzone7podcast/?img_index=1">@officialzone7podcast</a></li>
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How To Spot a Con | Jerri Williams on Cons, Scams, and FBI Myths

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Nancy and Sheryl open today’s CRU by discussing the importance of crime scene visits in prosecutorial work. Nancy recounts a memorable case involving a young boy murdered over a drug debt. Sheryl shares her experiences walking crime scenes with Nancy, highlighting the importance of understanding the full context of a crime. Nancy and Sheryl shift to the tragic case of Laralee Spear, abducted and murdered in 1994. They discuss the details of her case, the challenges faced in solving it, and the ongoing efforts to bring her killer to justice.

Call the Major Case Unit at 386-254-1537 or email ColdCaseUnitTips@volusiasheriff.gov if you have any tips on the Laralee Spear case.

Show Notes:
(0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup   
(0:10) Today’s topic is the importance of crime scene visits 
(5:45) A recap of the Laralee Spear case
(9:30) Sheryl details the crime scene where Laralee Spear was murdered 
(12:00) Theories about the murderer’s familiarity with the area 
(17:20) Don’t Be A Victim
(23:10) Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
(24:00) The significance of touch DNA evidence 
(28:00) Closing thoughts 

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Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases. 

In addition, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a daily show hosted by Grace, airs on SIRIUS XM’s Triumph Channel 111 and is downloadable as a podcast on all audio platforms - https://www.crimeonline.com/

Connect with Nancy: 

X: @nancygrace

Instagram:@thenancygrace

Facebook: @nancygrace

Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. 

Connect with Sheryl:

Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com

X: @ColdCaseTips

Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

Nancy and Sheryl open today’s CRU by discussing the importance of crime scene visits in prosecutorial work. Nancy recounts a memorable case involving a young boy murdered over a drug debt. Sheryl shares her experiences walking crime scenes with Nancy, highlighting the importance of understanding the full context of a crime. Nancy and Sheryl shift to the tragic case of Laralee Spear, abducted and murdered in 1994. They discuss the details of her case, the challenges faced in solving it, and the ongoing efforts to bring her killer to justice.
Call the Major Case Unit at 386-254-1537 or email ColdCaseUnitTips@volusiasheriff.gov if you have any tips on the Laralee Spear case. 
Show Notes:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">(0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup   </li>
<li aria-level="1">(0:10) Today’s topic is the importance of crime scene visits </li>
<li aria-level="1">(5:45) A recap of the Laralee Spear case</li>
<li aria-level="1">(9:30) Sheryl details the crime scene where Laralee Spear was murdered </li>
<li aria-level="1">(12:00) Theories about the murderer’s familiarity with the area </li>
<li aria-level="1">(17:20) <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Be-Victim-Fighting-Americas/dp/1538732297">Don’t Be A Victim</a>  </li>
<li aria-level="1">(23:10) <a href="https://www.meritstreetmedia.com/shows/crime-stories-with-nancy-grace">Crime Stories with Nancy Grace</a>  </li>
<li aria-level="1">(24:00) The significance of touch DNA evidence </li>
<li aria-level="1">(28:00) Closing thoughts </li>
</ul>
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Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases. 
In addition, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a daily show hosted by Grace, airs on SIRIUS XM’s Triumph Channel 111 and is downloadable as a podcast on all audio platforms - <a href="https://www.crimeonline.com/">https://www.crimeonline.com/</a>
Connect with Nancy: 
X:<a href="https://twitter.com/nancygrace?lang=en"> @nancygrace</a>
Instagram:<a href="https://www.instagram.com/thenancygrace/?hl=en"> @thenancygrace</a>
Facebook:<a href="https://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceOfficial"> @nancygrace</a>
Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. 
Connect with Sheryl:
Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
X:<a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/coldcasetips"> @ColdCaseTips</a>
Facebook:<a href="https://www.facebook.com/sheryl.mccollum/"> @sheryl.mccollum</a>

6.21.24 CRU with Nancy Grace: What Happened To Laralee Spear?

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5.24.24 CRU with Nancy Grace: Kansas Moms, Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley Bodies Found in Chest Freezer

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