As Donald Trump returns to the White House, Akshat Rathi speaks to Yale historian Paul Sabin about whether recent presidential history might hold some lessons on what to expect from the Trump administration’s approach to energy and environmental policy this term. Looking back at the Carter and Reagan years, Sabin explores how present-day Trump priorities– from dismantling government agencies to ramping up oil and gas production–have historical precedent. And Jonathan Lash, who was an environmental lawyer in the Reagan years, explains why he’s feeling déjà vu in these early days of Trump’s second term.  

Explore further:
Past episode with sci-fi writer Kim Stanley Robinson about his visions for climate politics in 2025
Past episode with President Biden’s climate czar Ali Zaidi on the IRA’s legacy
Past episode with Congressman Ro Khanna on what Trump’s second term may hold

Zero is a production of Bloomberg Green. Our producer is Mythili Rao. Special thanks this week to Sharon Chen, Siobhan Wagner, Jessica Beck, and David Fox. Thoughts or suggestions? Email us at zeropod@bloomberg.net. For more coverage of climate change and solutions, visit https://www.bloomberg.com/green.

As Donald Trump returns to the White House, Akshat Rathi speaks to Yale historian Paul Sabin about whether recent presidential history might hold some lessons on what to expect from the Trump administration&rsquo;s approach to energy and environmental policy this term. Looking back at the Carter and Reagan years, Sabin explores how present-day Trump priorities&ndash; from dismantling government agencies to ramping up oil and gas production&ndash;have historical precedent. And Jonathan Lash, who was an environmental lawyer in the Reagan years, explains why he&rsquo;s feeling d&eacute;j&agrave; vu in these early days of Trump&rsquo;s second term.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Explore further:
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<li>Past episode with <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/zero/why-kim-stanley-robinson-is-optimistic-about-2025">sci-fi writer Kim Stanley Robinson about his visions for climate politics in 2025</a></li>
<li>Past episode&nbsp;<a href="https://omny.fm/shows/zero/ali-zaidi-v2">with President Biden&rsquo;s climate czar Ali Zaidi on the IRA&rsquo;s legacy</a></li>
<li>Past episode&nbsp;<a href="https://omny.fm/shows/zero/trump-is-coming-back-now-what">with Congressman Ro Khanna on what Trump&rsquo;s second term may hold</a></li>
</ul>
Zero is a production of Bloomberg Green. Our producer is Mythili Rao. Special thanks this week to Sharon Chen, Siobhan Wagner, Jessica Beck, and David Fox. Thoughts or suggestions? Email us at zeropod@bloomberg.net. For more coverage of climate change and solutions, visit <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/green">https://www.bloomberg.com/green</a>.

Zero is about the tactics and technologies taking us to a world of zero emissions. Each week Bloomberg’s award-winning reporter Akshat Rathi talks to the people tackling climate change – a venture capitalist hunting for the best cleantech investment, scientists starting companies, politicians who have successfully created climate laws, and CEOs who have completely transformed their businesses. The road to zero emissions has many paths and everyone’s got an opinion about the best route. Listen in.

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To understand Trump's climate moves in his second term, look to the Reagan years

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Major economies around the world are grappling with electricity grids under stress from equipment bottlenecks and workforce shortages. What can be done to solve it? This week on Zero, Akshat Rathi talks with Manoj Sinha, CEO of Husk Power Systems, about distributed energy resources and their potential to bring electricity to where it is needed most — from energy-poor regions in the Global South, to energy-hungry data centres in rich countries.

Bottlenecks series:


Electricity Is Now Holding Back Growth Across the Global Economy
AI-Driven Demand for Gas Turbines Risks a New Energy Crunch
The Fix for Solar Power Blackouts Is Already Here
There Aren’t Enough Engineers to Meet World’s Growing Hunger for Power
The One Device Throttling the World’s Electrified Future

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Renewables Are Cheap. Why Aren’t People Seeing Their Bills Fall?
Biggest Mini-Grid Firm Seeks $400 Million, Plans Revenue Surge

Q&A: Got a question for Akshat and the Bloomberg Green team that you'd like to hear answered on Zero? Email us at zeropod@bloomberg.net 

Zero is a production of Bloomberg Green. Our producer is Oscar Boyd. Special thanks to Marilen Martin Somer Saadi, Mohsis Andam, Laura Millan and Sharon Chen. Thoughts or suggestions? Email us at zeropod@bloomberg.net. For more coverage of climate change and solutions, visit https://www.bloomberg.com/green.

Major economies around the world are grappling with electricity grids under stress from equipment bottlenecks and workforce shortages. What can be done to solve it? This week on Zero, Akshat Rathi talks with Manoj Sinha, CEO of Husk Power Systems, about distributed energy resources and their potential to bring electricity to where it is needed most &mdash; from energy-poor regions in the Global South, to energy-hungry data centres in rich countries.
Bottlenecks series:
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<li>
<a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-12-15/electricity-is-holding-back-growth-across-the-global-economy">Electricity Is Now Holding Back Growth Across the Global Economy</a>
</li>
<li><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2025-bottlenecks-gas-turbines/">AI-Driven Demand for Gas Turbines Risks a New Energy Crunch</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2025-bottlenecks-blackouts-grid-stability-solar-wind/">The Fix for Solar Power Blackouts Is Already Here</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2025-bottlenecks-engineering-jobs/">There Aren&rsquo;t Enough Engineers to Meet World&rsquo;s Growing Hunger for Power</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2025-bottlenecks-transformers/">The One Device Throttling the World&rsquo;s Electrified Future</a></li>
</ul>
Other related stories
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-09/bloomberg-green-zero-podcast-octopus-ceo-greg-jackson">Renewables Are Cheap. Why Aren&rsquo;t People Seeing Their Bills Fall?</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-25/mini-grid-husk-power-systems-seeks-400-million-plans-revenue-surge?sref=jjXJRDFv">Biggest Mini-Grid Firm Seeks $400 Million, Plans Revenue Surge</a></li>
</ul>
Q&amp;A: Got a question for Akshat and the Bloomberg Green team that you'd like to hear answered on Zero? Email us at <a href="mailto:zeropod@bloomberg.net">zeropod@bloomberg.net</a>&nbsp;
Zero is a production of Bloomberg Green. Our producer is Oscar Boyd. Special thanks to Marilen Martin Somer Saadi, Mohsis Andam, Laura Millan and Sharon Chen. Thoughts or suggestions? Email us at zeropod@bloomberg.net. For more coverage of climate change and solutions, visit <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/green">https://www.bloomberg.com/green</a>.

Electricity is now holding back growth across the global economy

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What is the best way to tell a climate story? This week on Zero, Akshat Rathi speaks with Booker Prize-winning novelist George Saunders. His new novel Vigil is an exploration of guilt, told on the deathbed of an oil executive haunted by ghosts.

Rathi asks Saunders what he learned about climate change, his thoughts on whether AI complements or compromises human creativity, and why literature still matters in the era of TikTok.

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In ‘Vigil,’ George Saunders Asks: Can An Oil CEO Repent? — Bloomberg
The Great Derangement: Climate Change and the Unthinkable — Amitav Ghosh

Other episodes in the Imagine series:
Building Monuments to the End of Oil — Kuwaiti artist Monira Al Qadiri
Abundance or Adequacy? Search for Better Climate Solutions — Sci-fi bestseller Kim Stanley Robinson

Zero is a production of Bloomberg Green. Our producer is Oscar Boyd. Special thanks to Gautam Naik, Sommer Saadi, Mohsis Andam, Sharon Chen and Laura Millan. Thoughts or suggestions? Email us at zeropod@bloomberg.net. For more coverage of climate change and solutions, visit https://www.bloomberg.com/green.

What is the best way to tell a climate story? This week on Zero, Akshat Rathi speaks with Booker Prize-winning novelist George Saunders. His new novel Vigil is an exploration of guilt, told on the deathbed of an oil executive haunted by ghosts.
Rathi asks Saunders what he learned about climate change, his thoughts on whether AI complements or compromises human creativity, and why literature still matters in the era of TikTok.
Explore further:
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-23/an-oil-ceo-s-reckoning-is-at-the-heart-of-george-saunders-vigil">In &lsquo;Vigil,&rsquo; George Saunders Asks: Can An Oil CEO Repent?</a> &mdash; Bloomberg</li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eFT_eb_jRk">The Great Derangement: Climate Change and the Unthinkable</a> &mdash; Amitav Ghosh</li>
</ul>
Other episodes in the Imagine series:
<ul>
<li><a href="https://omny.fm/shows/zero/building-monuments-to-the-end-of-oil">Building Monuments to the End of Oil</a> &mdash; Kuwaiti artist Monira Al Qadiri</li>
<li><a href="https://omny.fm/shows/zero/abundance-adequacy-and-the-hunt-for-better-climate-solutions">Abundance or Adequacy? Search for Better Climate Solutions</a> &mdash; Sci-fi bestseller Kim Stanley Robinson</li>
</ul>
Zero is a production of Bloomberg Green. Our producer is Oscar Boyd. Special thanks to Gautam Naik, Sommer Saadi, Mohsis Andam, Sharon Chen and Laura Millan. Thoughts or suggestions? Email us at zeropod@bloomberg.net. For more coverage of climate change and solutions, visit <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/green">https://www.bloomberg.com/green</a>.

George Saunders goes inside the mind of a climate denier: Imagine series

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Decarbonizing energy is just one part of the climate story. The other half is electrifying as much as possible. That is why electrification, not decarbonization, is likely going to be the most important climate story of 2026.

Kingsmill Bond is a strategist at thinktank Ember and the author of a paper called the Electrotech Revolution. This week on Zero, Bond tells Akshat Rathi why he believes electrification is inevitable, and what happens to those that are left behind.

Explore further:
India Is Electrifying Faster Than China Using Cheap Green Tech
Read Ember's Electric Revolution report.
Read Ember's analysis of India's electrification.
Read Bloomberg's Bottlenecks series.

Zero is a production of Bloomberg Green. Our producer is Oscar Boyd. Special thanks to Sommer Saadi, Mohsis Andam, Sharon Chen and Laura Millan. Thoughts or suggestions? Email us at zeropod@bloomberg.net. For more coverage of climate change and solutions, visit https://www.bloomberg.com/green.

Decarbonizing energy is just one part of the climate story. The other half is electrifying as much as possible. That is why electrification, not decarbonization, is likely going to be the most important climate story of 2026.
Kingsmill Bond is a strategist at thinktank Ember and the author of a paper called the Electrotech Revolution. This week on Zero, Bond tells Akshat Rathi why he believes electrification is inevitable, and what happens to those that are left behind.
Explore further:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-22/india-is-electrifying-faster-than-china-using-cheap-green-tech">India Is Electrifying Faster Than China Using Cheap Green Tech</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Read Ember's Electric Revolution&nbsp;<a href="https://www.electrotech-revolution.com/p/the-electrotech-revolution">report</a>.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Read Ember's <a href="https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/indias-electrotech-fast-track-where-china-built-on-coal-india-is-building-on-sun/">analysis</a> of India's electrification.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Read Bloomberg's <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/latest/bottlenecks?sref=jjXJRDFv">Bottlenecks series</a>.</li>
</ul>
Zero is a production of Bloomberg Green. Our producer is Oscar Boyd. Special thanks to Sommer Saadi, Mohsis Andam, Sharon Chen and Laura Millan. Thoughts or suggestions? Email us at zeropod@bloomberg.net. For more coverage of climate change and solutions, visit <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/green">https://www.bloomberg.com/green</a>.

Electrification – not decarbonization – is the climate story of 2026

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To understand Trump's climate moves in his second term, look to the Reagan years

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