Science fiction writer Kim Stanley Robinson imagines the future for a living. And the future is very much upon us. Robinson’s seminal 2020 novel Ministry for the Future opens in the year 2025. Robinson tells Akshat Rathi about how our real-life climate politics stack up against what he imagined for this era. They also discuss the dangers of science-fiction thinking in politics and why, for all his admiration of science and technology, Robinson remains so enamored with the unglamorous workings of a body like the United Nations.

Explore further:

• Past episode with Kim Stanley Robinson about climate utopias and optopias

• Past episode with outgoing White House Climate Advisor Ali Zaidi about what the next four years will hold

• Past episode with Colombia’s environment minister Susana Muhamad about the country’s commitment to fossil fuels nonproliferation 

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