What happens when caring for the people who once cared for you becomes one of the biggest challenges of your life? 

This week Marie Claire Australia Editor Georgie McCourt is joined by broadcaster, journalist and bestselling author Sarah Macdonald for an honest conversation about ageing parents, motherhood, work, grief, guilt and the invisible weight carried by so many women. 

Sarah is part of Australia's sandwich generation, caring for her 92-year-old mother and 94-year-old mother-in-law while navigating family life and a demanding media career. She opens up about the reality of caring for ageing parents, from managing the practical and emotional load to the moments of frustration, grief and unexpected joy that come with watching the people who raised you grow older. 

The conversation also explores what it means to be part of the sandwich generation: raising children, caring for ageing parents, maintaining a career and trying to hold onto a life of your own. Sarah shares why women need more recognition, support and honest conversations around caregiving, and why simply hearing the words "you're doing a great job" can mean so much. 

This episode covers:  
Sarah Macdonald on life in the sandwich generation 
Caring for ageing parents while raising a family 
The invisible mental load of caregiving 
Balancing motherhood, work and caring responsibilities 
The impact of caregiving on women's careers 
The career opportunities Sarah had to let go 
Advocating for her father at the end of his life 
The grief and guilt that comes with watching parents age 
The emotional and practical realities of unpaid care 
The importance of simply saying "you're doing a great job" 
How women can prepare for their parents getting older 
Finding moments of joy while caring for ageing parents 
What Australia needs to do differently for unpaid carers 
Why the sandwich generation is one of the defining issues facing women today 

You can find Sarah's podcast Club Sandwich here

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Credits:   

Host Georgie McCourt   

Edited by Helen Smith 

Head of Vodcasting Rachel Fountain 

With thanks to our amazing team at Marie Claire  

You're Gonna Want to Hear This is a production of Marie Claire and Are Media. 

What happens when caring for the people who once cared for you becomes one of the biggest challenges of your life?&nbsp;
This week Marie Claire Australia Editor Georgie McCourt is joined by broadcaster,&nbsp;journalist&nbsp;and bestselling author Sarah Macdonald for an honest conversation about ageing parents, motherhood, work, grief,&nbsp;guilt&nbsp;and the invisible weight carried by so many women.&nbsp;
Sarah is part of Australia's sandwich generation, caring for her 92-year-old mother and 94-year-old mother-in-law while navigating family life and a demanding media career. She&nbsp;opens up&nbsp;about the reality of caring for ageing parents, from managing the practical and emotional load to the moments of frustration, grief and unexpected joy that come with watching the people who raised you grow older.&nbsp;
The conversation also explores what it means to be part of the sandwich generation: raising children, caring for ageing parents,&nbsp;maintaining&nbsp;a&nbsp;career&nbsp;and trying to hold onto a life of your own. Sarah shares why women need more recognition,&nbsp;support&nbsp;and honest conversations around caregiving, and why simply hearing the words "you're doing a great job" can mean so much.&nbsp;
This episode covers:&nbsp;&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Sarah Macdonald on life in the sandwich generation&nbsp;</li>
<li>Caring for ageing parents while raising a family&nbsp;</li>
<li>The invisible mental load of caregiving&nbsp;</li>
<li>Balancing motherhood,&nbsp;work&nbsp;and caring responsibilities&nbsp;</li>
<li>The impact of caregiving on women's careers&nbsp;</li>
<li>The career opportunities Sarah had to let go&nbsp;</li>
<li>Advocating for her father at the end of his life&nbsp;</li>
<li>The grief and guilt that comes with watching&nbsp;parents&nbsp;age&nbsp;</li>
<li>The emotional and practical realities of unpaid care&nbsp;</li>
<li>The importance of simply saying "you're doing a great job"&nbsp;</li>
<li>How women can prepare for their parents getting older&nbsp;</li>
<li>Finding moments of joy while caring for ageing parents&nbsp;</li>
<li>What Australia needs to do differently for unpaid carers&nbsp;</li>
<li>Why the sandwich generation is one of the defining issues facing women today&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
You can find Sarah's podcast <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/club-sandwich/id1822692325">Club Sandwich</a> here
Stay up to date with Marie Claire Australia on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/marieclaireau">Instagram</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Credits:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Host&nbsp;Georgie McCourt&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Edited by&nbsp;Helen Smith&nbsp;
Head of Vodcasting Rachel Fountain&nbsp;
With thanks to our amazing team at Marie Claire&nbsp;&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.marieclaire.com.au/life/youre-gonna-want-to-hear-this-podcast/">You're Gonna Want to Hear This</a>&nbsp;is a production of Marie Claire and Are Media.&nbsp;

Who’s on your celebrity fantasy dinner party list? Marie Claire have got access to the biggest celebrities and fascinating favourite people you love.  With unique pairings, the type of conversations where fun and frankness is always in style. Trust us…you’re gonna want to hear this! 

Who&rsquo;s on your celebrity fantasy dinner party list? Marie Claire have got access to the biggest celebrities and fascinating favourite people you love. &nbsp;With unique pairings, the type of conversations where fun and frankness is always in style. Trust us&hellip;you&rsquo;re gonna want to hear this!&nbsp;

You’re Gonna Want To Hear This

Broadcaster, journalist and bestselling author Sarah Macdonald joins Marie Claire Australia Editor Georgie McCourt for an honest conversation about the realities of caring for ageing parents. Sarah shares her experience of being part of the sandwich generation, balancing family, work and caregiving while navigating grief, guilt, career sacrifices and the invisible mental load carried by so many women. 

The Sandwich Generation: Sarah Macdonald on Ageing Parents & the Invisible Mental Load 

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What does life really look like after becoming one of the world's most famous supermodels?  

This week Marie Claire Australia Editor Georgie McCourt is joined by Miranda Kerr for an intimate conversation about motherhood, co-parenting, building a global beauty empire, and the personal experiences that shaped the woman behind the headlines. From becoming Australia's first Victoria's Secret Angel to founding KORA Organics, Miranda reflects on the career, family and values that continue to define her today. 

She opens up about growing up in country Australia, becoming famous in her twenties, navigating life under intense public scrutiny, and finding peace after the end of her marriage to Orlando Bloom. She also speaks candidly about raising four boys, co-parenting in a modern blended family, and how she met her husband, Snapchat founder Evan Spiegel. 

Miranda also reflects on the deeply personal experience that inspired her to launch KORA Organics. After her mother was diagnosed with tumours when Miranda was a teenager, she became passionate about nutrition, wellness and certified organic skincare, long before the wellness industry became what it is today. More than 15 years later, KORA Organics is sold in over 30 countries, with Miranda still personally involved in everything from product development to ingredient sourcing. 

This is a conversation about ambition, resilience, family, forgiveness and what success looks like beyond the runway. Miranda also shares the wellness rituals she genuinely swears by, the biohacks she believes are worth the hype, how her priorities have changed since turning 43, and why looking after yourself starts from the inside out. 

This episode covers:  
Miranda Kerr on life beyond modelling 
Becoming Australia's first Victoria's Secret Angel 
Building KORA Organics into a global beauty brand 
The family health scare that changed her life 
Motherhood and raising four boys 
Co-parenting with Orlando Bloom 
Marriage, family life and Evan Spiegel 
Fame, forgiveness and finding perspective 
Wellness routines and biohacks that actually work 
Turning 43 and redefining success 
Growing up in regional Australia 
Why authenticity has become her greatest strength 

KORA Organics discount code for 20% off MARIECLAIRE20 

Find Miranda's collection with Michael Hill here 

Stay up to date with Marie Claire Australia on Instagram  

🎧 Listen to You're Gonna Want to Hear This and follow us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify  

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Credits:   

Host Georgie McCourt   

Edited by Helen Smith 

Head of Vodcasting Rachel Fountain 

With thanks to our amazing team at Marie Claire  

You're Gonna Want to Hear This is a production of Marie Claire and Are Media. 

What does life really look like after becoming one of the world's most famous supermodels?&nbsp;&nbsp;
This week Marie Claire Australia Editor Georgie McCourt is joined by <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mirandakerr/?hl=en">Miranda Kerr</a> for an intimate conversation about motherhood, co-parenting, building a global beauty empire, and the&nbsp;personal experiences&nbsp;that shaped the woman behind the headlines.&nbsp;From becoming Australia's first Victoria's Secret Angel to founding <a href="https://koraorganics.com/">KORA Organics</a>, Miranda reflects on the career, family and values that continue to define her today.&nbsp;
She&nbsp;opens up&nbsp;about growing up in country Australia, becoming famous in her twenties, navigating life under intense public scrutiny, and finding peace after the end of her marriage to Orlando Bloom. She also speaks candidly about raising four boys, co-parenting in a modern blended family, and&nbsp;how&nbsp;she&nbsp;met&nbsp;her husband, Snapchat founder Evan Spiegel.&nbsp;
Miranda also reflects on the deeply personal experience that inspired her to launch KORA Organics. After her mother was diagnosed with&nbsp;tumours&nbsp;when Miranda was a teenager, she became passionate about nutrition,&nbsp;wellness&nbsp;and certified organic skincare, long before the wellness industry became what it is today. More than 15 years later, KORA Organics is sold in over 30 countries, with Miranda still personally involved in everything from product development to ingredient sourcing.&nbsp;
This is a conversation about ambition, resilience, family,&nbsp;forgiveness&nbsp;and what success looks like beyond the runway. Miranda also shares the wellness rituals she genuinely swears by, the biohacks she believes are worth the hype, how her priorities have changed since turning 43, and why looking after yourself starts from the inside out.&nbsp;
This episode covers:&nbsp;&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Miranda Kerr on life beyond modelling&nbsp;</li>
<li>Becoming Australia's first Victoria's Secret Angel&nbsp;</li>
<li>Building KORA Organics into a global beauty brand&nbsp;</li>
<li>The family health scare that changed her life&nbsp;</li>
<li>Motherhood and raising four boys&nbsp;</li>
<li>Co-parenting with Orlando Bloom&nbsp;</li>
<li>Marriage, family&nbsp;life&nbsp;and Evan Spiegel&nbsp;</li>
<li>Fame,&nbsp;forgiveness&nbsp;and finding perspective&nbsp;</li>
<li>Wellness routines and biohacks that&nbsp;actually work&nbsp;</li>
<li>Turning 43 and redefining success&nbsp;</li>
<li>Growing up in regional Australia&nbsp;</li>
<li>Why authenticity has become her greatest strength&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<a href="https://koraorganics.com/">KORA Organics</a> discount code for 20% off MARIECLAIRE20&nbsp;
Find Miranda's collection with <a href="https://www.michaelhill.com.au/discover/amour-by-miranda-kerr?srsltid=AfmBOor94PKu32hHy_t1VA-pO2ay3m4xOxu5qSsgaYoMr3pf3Q5dLyDL">Michael Hill here&nbsp;</a>
Stay up to date with Marie Claire Australia on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/marieclaireau">Instagram</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;
🎧 Listen to&nbsp;You're&nbsp;Gonna&nbsp;Want to Hear This and follow us on&nbsp;<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/youre-gonna-want-to-hear-this/id1849312864">Apple Podcasts</a>&nbsp;or&nbsp;<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2Vsxq2nZIMJLnywOXfuxqZ?si=bb7ec5eac4184752">Spotify</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;
👀 Watch and subscribe to You're&nbsp;Gonna&nbsp;Want to Hear This on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/marieclaire">YouTube</a> 📺 for full episodes and clips.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Credits:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Host&nbsp;Georgie McCourt&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Edited by&nbsp;Helen Smith&nbsp;
Head of Vodcasting Rachel Fountain&nbsp;
With thanks to our amazing team at Marie Claire&nbsp;&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.marieclaire.com.au/life/youre-gonna-want-to-hear-this-podcast/">You're Gonna Want to Hear This</a> is a production of Marie Claire and Are Media.&nbsp;

Supermodel, entrepreneur and KORA Organics founder Miranda Kerr joins Georgie McCourt for a candid conversation about motherhood, co-parenting, building a global beauty business and life beyond the runway. Miranda reflects on fame, family, wellness and the personal experiences that shaped one of Australia's most successful women. 

Miranda Kerr: Divorce, Destiny and the Love Story She Never Expected

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What if the most dangerous moment in an abusive relationship isn't staying, it's trying to leave?  

As Australia continues to grapple with the national crisis of domestic violence and violence against women, this week on You're Gonna Want To Hear This, Marie Claire Australia Editor Georgie McCourt speaks with Nicole Yade, CEO of the Women and Girls Emergency Centre, whose own experience surviving family violence and coercive control has shaped decades of frontline advocacy for women and children escaping abuse. 

Before Nicole dedicated her life to helping others find safety, she was a child growing up in a home ruled by fear. As an adult, despite promising herself she'd never repeat the cycle, she found herself in an abusive relationship of her own. At 24, she fled with her five-month-old baby, leaving behind violence and stepping into homelessness because staying was no longer safe. 

In this deeply personal conversation, Nicole shares why leaving an abusive relationship is far more complicated than people often believe. She unpacks domestic violence nd the invisible barriers that keep women trapped, while drawing on decades of experience supporting victim-survivors on the frontline. 

This is a conversation about survival, resilience and rebuilding a life after trauma. Nicole also explains why domestic violence services are at breaking point and what needs to change to better protect women and children.  

If you or anyone else you know is experiencing domestic, family or sexual violence, support is available. You can call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732 

JOIN THE WALK TO END VIOLENCE. Walk for WAGEC details here, Centennial Park Sydney, Sunday 13th September 2026.  

This episode covers:
Growing up in a home shaped by domestic violence 
Why leaving an abusive relationship is far more complex than people realise
Coercive control and the invisible tactics that keep women trapped
Breaking the cycle of family violence across generations
Escaping abuse as a 24-year-old with a five-month-old baby and experiencing homelessness
The realities of rebuilding life after domestic violence
How children are impacted by living with family violence
The critical work of the Women and Girls Emergency Centre (WAGEC)
Why frontline domestic violence services remain overwhelmed
What recovery and healing really look like after trauma
Why domestic violence can happen to anyone
The role men can play in preventing violence against women
Challenging the question, "Why doesn't she just leave?"
A message of hope for victim-survivors rebuilding their lives 

 

Stay up to date with Marie Claire Australia on Instagram  

🎧 Listen to You're Gonna Want to Hear This and follow us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify  

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Credits:   

Host Georgie McCourt   

Edited by Helen Smith 

Head of Vodcasting Rachel Fountain 

With thanks to our amazing team at Marie Claire  

You're Gonna Want to Hear This is a production of Marie Claire and Are Media. 

What if the most dangerous moment in an abusive relationship&nbsp;isn't&nbsp;staying,&nbsp;it's&nbsp;trying to leave?&nbsp;&nbsp;
As Australia continues to grapple with the national crisis of domestic violence and violence against women, this week on You're&nbsp;Gonna&nbsp;Want&nbsp;To&nbsp;Hear This, Marie Claire Australia Editor Georgie McCourt speaks with Nicole Yade, CEO of the&nbsp;<a href="https://www.wagec.org.au/">Women and Girls Emergency Centre</a>, whose own experience surviving family violence and coercive control has shaped decades of frontline advocacy for women and children escaping abuse.&nbsp;
Before Nicole dedicated her life to helping others find safety, she was a child growing up in a home ruled by fear. As an adult, despite promising herself&nbsp;she'd&nbsp;never repeat the&nbsp;cycle,&nbsp;she found herself in an abusive relationship of her own. At 24, she fled with her five-month-old baby, leaving behind violence and stepping into homelessness because staying was no longer safe.&nbsp;
In this deeply personal conversation, Nicole shares why leaving an abusive relationship is far more complicated than people often believe. She unpacks domestic violence&nbsp;nd&nbsp;the invisible barriers that keep women trapped, while drawing on decades of experience supporting victim-survivors on the frontline.&nbsp;
This is a conversation about survival,&nbsp;resilience&nbsp;and rebuilding a life after trauma. Nicole also explains why domestic violence services are at breaking point and what needs to change to better protect women and children.&nbsp;&nbsp;
If&nbsp;you or anyone else you know is experiencing domestic,&nbsp;family&nbsp;or sexual&nbsp;violence,&nbsp;support is available. You can call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732&nbsp;
JOIN THE WALK TO END VIOLENCE.&nbsp;<a href="https://www.walkforwagec.org.au/">Walk for WAGEC details here,</a>&nbsp;Centennial Park Sydney, Sunday 13th September 2026.&nbsp;&nbsp;
This episode covers:
<ul>
<li>Growing up in a home shaped by domestic violence&nbsp;</li>
<li>Why leaving an abusive relationship is far more complex than people realise</li>
<li>Coercive control and the invisible tactics that keep women trapped</li>
<li>Breaking the cycle of family violence across generations</li>
<li>Escaping abuse as a 24-year-old with a five-month-old baby and experiencing homelessness</li>
<li>The realities of rebuilding life after domestic violence</li>
<li>How children are impacted by living with family violence</li>
<li>The critical work of the Women and Girls Emergency Centre (WAGEC)</li>
<li>Why frontline domestic violence services remain overwhelmed</li>
<li>What recovery and healing really look like after trauma</li>
<li>Why domestic violence can happen to anyone</li>
<li>The role men can play in preventing violence against women</li>
<li>Challenging the question, "Why doesn't she just leave?"</li>
<li>A message of hope for victim-survivors rebuilding their lives&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
Stay up to date with Marie Claire Australia on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/marieclaireau">Instagram</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;
🎧 Listen to&nbsp;You're&nbsp;Gonna&nbsp;Want to Hear This and follow us on&nbsp;<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/youre-gonna-want-to-hear-this/id1849312864">Apple Podcasts</a>&nbsp;or&nbsp;<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2Vsxq2nZIMJLnywOXfuxqZ?si=bb7ec5eac4184752">Spotify</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;
👀 Watch and subscribe to You're&nbsp;Gonna&nbsp;Want to Hear This on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/marieclaire">YouTube</a> 📺 for full episodes and clips.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Credits:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Host&nbsp;Georgie McCourt&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Edited by&nbsp;Helen Smith&nbsp;
Head of Vodcasting Rachel Fountain&nbsp;
With thanks to our amazing team at Marie Claire&nbsp;&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.marieclaire.com.au/life/youre-gonna-want-to-hear-this-podcast/">You're Gonna Want to Hear This</a>&nbsp;is a production of Marie Claire and Are Media.&nbsp;

Domestic violence survivor and Women and Girls Emergency Centre CEO Nicole Yade shares her powerful story of escaping family violence and rebuilding her life. We explore coercive control, financial abuse, homelessness, violence against women and why leaving an abusive relationship is often the most dangerous step. 

Nicole Yade: Why Leaving an Abusive Relationship Is the Most Dangerous Time

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Continuing from part one, Marie Claire editor Georgie McCourt talks to designer Bianca Spender about how she protects her creative energy while running an 18-year-old Australian luxury label: splitting her days into “creative time” and “business time,” and why her most productive hours are between 5pm and 2am, once the emails stop. 

Bianca describes the Bianca Spender aesthetic in her own words: clothes built around freedom and movement, designed to make women feel completely themselves, or better yet, want to dance. She also shares why she kept two skin cancer diagnoses private for years, and why launching her first swimwear collection and sun care campaign felt like the right moment to speak about it publicly, including how two separate conversations with friends led her to catch both cancers early. 

In the second half of this episode, Bianca reflects on some of the most defining moments of her life: the sudden and very public loss of her mother, and the loss of her father eighteen months later. She talks about the advice on grief that has stayed with her since: “it never leaves, it just visits less frequently,” and how grief reshaped her sense of courage and self-forgiveness. She closes with how she protects her time through boundaries with technology, her “swimming epiphanies,” and a final message for anyone listening: trust yourself. 

This episode covers: 
Protecting her creative energy by separating “creative days” from “business days” 
Why her most creative hours are 5pm to 2am, once the world switches off 
The Bianca Spender aesthetic: designing clothes meant to free the body and “make you dance” 
Going public with two skin cancer diagnoses after years of privacy 
Launching her first swimwear collection and sun care campaign 
Navigating the sudden, very public loss of her mother 
Living with grief as an ongoing companion: “it never leaves, it just visits less frequently” 
Finding courage and self-forgiveness in the wake of loss 
Protecting her time with boundaries around technology 
Her “swimming epiphanies” and other ways she switches off 
A closing message to trust yourself 

Stay up to date with Marie Claire Australia on Instagram  

🎧 Listen to You're Gonna Want to Hear This and follow us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify  

👀 Watch and subscribe to You're Gonna Want to Hear This on YouTube 📺 for full episodes and clips.  

Credits:   

Host Georgie McCourt   

Edited by Helen Smith 

Head of Vodcasting Rachel Fountain 

With thanks to our amazing team at Marie Claire  

You're Gonna Want to Hear This is a production of Marie Claire and Are Media. 

Continuing from part one, Marie Claire editor Georgie McCourt talks to designer Bianca Spender about how she protects her creative energy while running an 18-year-old Australian luxury label: splitting her days into &ldquo;creative time&rdquo; and &ldquo;business time,&rdquo; and why her most productive hours are between 5pm and 2am, once the emails stop.&nbsp;
Bianca describes the Bianca Spender aesthetic in her own words: clothes built around freedom and movement, designed to make women feel completely themselves, or better yet, want to dance. She also shares why she kept two skin cancer diagnoses private for years, and why launching her first swimwear collection and sun care campaign felt like the right moment to speak about it publicly, including how two separate conversations with friends led her to catch both cancers early.&nbsp;
In the second half of this episode, Bianca reflects on some of the most defining moments of her life: the sudden and very public loss of her mother, and the loss of her father eighteen months later. She talks about the advice on grief that has stayed with her since: &ldquo;it never leaves, it just visits less frequently,&rdquo; and how grief reshaped her sense of courage and self-forgiveness. She closes with how she protects her time through boundaries with technology, her &ldquo;swimming epiphanies,&rdquo; and a final message for anyone listening: trust yourself.&nbsp;
This episode covers:&nbsp;
<ul>
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</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="11" data-aria-level="1">Why her most creative hours are 5pm to 2am, once the world switches off&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="12" data-aria-level="1">The Bianca Spender aesthetic: designing clothes meant to free the body and &ldquo;make you dance&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="13" data-aria-level="1">Going public with two skin cancer diagnoses after years of privacy&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="14" data-aria-level="1">Launching her first swimwear collection and sun care campaign&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="15" data-aria-level="1">Navigating the sudden, very public loss of her mother&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="16" data-aria-level="1">Living with grief as an ongoing companion: &ldquo;it never leaves, it just visits less frequently&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
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<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="17" data-aria-level="1">Finding courage and self-forgiveness in the wake of loss&nbsp;</li>
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<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="18" data-aria-level="1">Protecting her time with boundaries around technology&nbsp;</li>
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<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="19" data-aria-level="1">Her &ldquo;swimming epiphanies&rdquo; and other ways she switches off&nbsp;</li>
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<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="20" data-aria-level="1">A closing message to trust yourself&nbsp;</li>
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