Hilaria and Michelle are joined by actress, screenwriter, producer and fellow witch Michelle Stafford. The conversation around the cauldron is the stigmas that are thrust upon women when it comes to their journeys to motherhood. Whether it be surrogacy, adoption, IVF or becoming a stepmother, there are many paths a woman can take to become a mother. These three witches are sharing their own experiences with pregnancy, loss, IVF, surrogacy, and step children, in an effort to destigmatize all the ways we create our families.