When It Clicked
When It Clicked
What if the justice system was about more than punishment? What if it actually helped people build more stable, productive lives and safer communities in the process? In Season 2 of When it Clicked, we're showing you what a better justice system looks and feels like. Instead of just focusing on what's broken, we're exploring what’s already working and what we need to do more of – and where there a…Social links:
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A Better Way To Right Wrongs in the Justice System with Maya Moore Irons & Jonathan Irons
What would it look like if our justice system could identify when we get things wrong – and actually fix those mistakes? WNBA legend Maya Moore stepped away from basketball at the peak of her career to help free Jonathan Irons, who spent over 20 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. Now mar…
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A Better Way For Prisons To Leverage AI with Clementine Jacoby
How can new technologies help prisons improve outcomes for people and communities? Outdated systems mean incarcerated people often lack a clear pathway to release – and might even overstay their prison sentence simply because of disorganized data. Clementine Jacoby, CEO and cofounder of Recidiviz, …
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A Better Way to Treat Kids Who Make Mistakes with Scott Budnick
How can we think differently about accountability for kids in the justice system? Hollywood producer Scott Budnick built his career making blockbuster hits like The Hangover, but his real passion is working with incarcerated youth. In this episode, Scott talks about how one visit to a juvenile hall…
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A Better Way to Make Communities Safer with Aqeela Sherrills
What if the key to safer cities isn’t harsher punishments, but more peacebuilding? Aqeela Sherrills helped broker the 1992 peace treaty between the Bloods and Crips – an agreement that cut LA homicides nearly in half. Since then, he’s been using that same approach to transform neighborhoods across …
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A Better Way to Hold People Accountable with Josh Smith
How can we transform prisons so they can actually transform people? That question is at the heart of Deputy Director Josh Smith's work at the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the very system that once incarcerated him. After serving five years in federal prison, he's dedicated his life to improving publi…
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When It Clicked Season 2 (Official Trailer)
The American justice system punishes millions of people every year. That’s what we expect it to do – punish wrongdoing. That’s what we call justice. But what if it could do something more, something that would make this country better, stronger, and safer? In Season 2 of When It Clicked, host Ana Z…
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Kerry Washington: Rewriting Justice Through Storytelling
What happens when an award-winning actress, producer, director, author, and activist uses her platform to shine a light on the criminal justice system? Kerry Washington's recent projects, UnPrisoned and Daughters, tell stories of incarceration, family separation, unification, and love that we rarel…
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Jeanne Woodford: Reforming San Quentin From the Inside
What does it mean to be smart on crime? Jeanne Woodford, former warden at San Quentin State prison, has been a longtime advocate for rehabilitation. In our conversation, she offers a new vision of what prisons could look like, from removing prison cells to providing opportunities for incarcerated p…
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Glenn Dahl: How a Second Chance Led to Killer Bread
What happens when we give someone a second chance? For Glenn Dahl, it led to Dave's Killer Bread, a family business success story that not only revolutionized bread, but also changed how companies think about second chance hiring. Glenn, the former CEO, opens up about taking a chance on his brother…
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Larry Miller: From the Streets to the Boardroom
What happens when the criminal justice system invests in education instead of punishment? Larry Miller is the Chairman of the Jordan Brand Advisory Board and played a pivotal role in the brand’s growth. Yet behind his success was a secret – at age 16, he was convicted of second degree murder, which…
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