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Hey, it's Leanne here and welcome to a special series on What's God Got to Do with It? And selfishly, I wanted to bring this series to you. It originally was created for Outweigh, but it is so apparent and relevant to the journeys that we talked about over here on What's God Got to Do with It? Where I invited my dear friend doctor Chip Dodd, alongside a four part mini series talking about why we numb and the real root of coping mechanisms.

Hey, it's Leanne here and welcome to a special series on What's God Got to Do with It? And selfishly, I wanted to bring this series to you. It originally was created for Outweigh, but it is so apparent and relevant to the journeys that we talked about over here on What's God Got to Do with It? Where I invited my dear friend doctor Chip Dodd, alongside a four part mini series talking about why we numb and the real root of coping mechanisms.

You've heard them before on the God Pod.

You've heard them before on the God Pod.

His episode will be linked in every episode of this series. But I wanted to bring this mini series over to you here on What's God Got to Do with It? So tune on in and enjoy. Hey, hey, and happy Saturday, outweigh. We are back for part two of this four part mini series here with doctor Chip Dodd.

His episode will be linked in every episode of this series. But I wanted to bring this mini series over to you here on What's God Got to Do with It? So tune on in and enjoy. Hey, hey, and happy Saturday, outweigh. We are back for part two of this four part mini series here with doctor Chip Dodd.

Hello, good to see you, Yes.

Hello, good to see you, Yes.

Good to have you back.

Good to have you back.

Last week was a powerful conversation if you missed it, we got into what is addiction really right, not just the you know, theoretical version of it, but we talked about it on a science level, on a logistics level, and then of course on a cause and effect level from where it's truly rooted, which is in the heart, in the feelings, in the soul and the spirit. So we are back now to talk about why we numb and the real reason we avoid pain and seek comfort.

Last week was a powerful conversation if you missed it, we got into what is addiction really right, not just the you know, theoretical version of it, but we talked about it on a science level, on a logistics level, and then of course on a cause and effect level from where it's truly rooted, which is in the heart, in the feelings, in the soul and the spirit. So we are back now to talk about why we numb and the real reason we avoid pain and seek comfort.

And so last week we talked a little bit.

And so last week we talked a little bit.

About, you know, why we turn to food and alcohol and shopping and relationships, even busyness like hustling for our worthiness nowadays has become a bit of an addiction.

About, you know, why we turn to food and alcohol and shopping and relationships, even busyness like hustling for our worthiness nowadays has become a bit of an addiction.

But what we're really trying to escape or avoid?

But what we're really trying to escape or avoid?

So can we just you know, we pick up from where we were last week when we're trying to escape or avoid, like what is that? What are we doing and why are we turning to those coping mechanisms?

So can we just you know, we pick up from where we were last week when we're trying to escape or avoid, like what is that? What are we doing and why are we turning to those coping mechanisms?

With you.

With you.

This is going to sound strange at first, but we actually and this goes to probably sound very strange. We have two enemies. We have society at large that measures everything externally and judges accordingly, right, judges like that. And then our real primary enemy is the brain itself. Now I don't mean the whole brain, okay, but the brain is doing exactly what it's made to do. I'm talking about our frontal lobe logic and our executive functioning is created to find places where there isn't pain. So your brain as the organ is actually a comfort seeking, pleasure seeking instrument doing what's made to do, which means pain avoidant. Okay. So your brain is doing its job to helping you avoid honestly having to feel and having to be, indeed, or having to be in situations in which you are vulnerable, which means don't have control. Okay. Now, so your brain is oddly pain intolerant. That's how come your thinking can't solb can't bring you to healing because your thinking is opposed to what it takes to heal. All right, So, but your brain is intolerant for pain. And here's the beauty. Your heart is pain tolerant, Okay, I mean your emotional center of your being is a pain tolerant place. You don't have to like the pain, but you find that somehow or another, you're capable of tolerating the pain. Love is painful, child bearing is painful. Recovery is painful. A woman named Marian Diamond. She was the inventor of neuroplasticity, which is where we get the idea that the brain could be changed from where it was to a different place. This is in nineteen sixties, and she was disregarded for two three decades almost And she's the one that came up with the phrase use it or lose it. And so she discovered there are five ways to create what she called brain health. But the truth was she actually had discovered, in my opinion, she had actually discovered the five ways that the heart overcomes the brain, and so that we will quote choose health over comfort, and the five ways for us to be maximum maximumly fulfilled. She said she discovered nutrition, exercise, risking, seeing new things, taking on challenges, and love. I mean, these things were scientifically proven. But if you'll notice all five of those things, eating, healthy, exercise, seeing new things, taking on challenges, and love, all five of them require pain. We have to delay gratification for benefits. And so if you're not raised in a world where feelings are forms of strength. See now we're being raised more than ever before. Children are being raised with having feelings, but the feelings in so many ways because the parents don't trust them. The feedings become permission to not have to risk, rather than yes, you're gonna feel it, but I'll be here when you're done. Yes okay, versus don't feel it. And so many of us came from a don't feel it and now there's great permission to feel, but nobody could tolerate them. So there's a tweetter world. It's called delay gratification for benefit, and all of recovery is about taking the risk of having feelings to delay gratification. But it's a promise of gratification being better than satisfaction. When I eat apple pie muffin, I mean, just go down the list. It hits the blood brain barrier in seconds. If I eat healthy, I have to wait for the benefit to come. And it all has to do with feelings like I won't be okay your brain, and your brain is literally saying, look, you can do this tomorrow. Let's wait till tomorrow. I promise tomorrow will be a great day, but tonight for right now. And then when we go do the thing that that makes us comfortable, we wind up judging ourselves for being weak, and we weren't weak. We're not weak.

This is going to sound strange at first, but we actually and this goes to probably sound very strange. We have two enemies. We have society at large that measures everything externally and judges accordingly, right, judges like that. And then our real primary enemy is the brain itself. Now I don't mean the whole brain, okay, but the brain is doing exactly what it's made to do. I'm talking about our frontal lobe logic and our executive functioning is created to find places where there isn't pain. So your brain as the organ is actually a comfort seeking, pleasure seeking instrument doing what's made to do, which means pain avoidant. Okay. So your brain is doing its job to helping you avoid honestly having to feel and having to be, indeed, or having to be in situations in which you are vulnerable, which means don't have control. Okay. Now, so your brain is oddly pain intolerant. That's how come your thinking can't solb can't bring you to healing because your thinking is opposed to what it takes to heal. All right, So, but your brain is intolerant for pain. And here's the beauty. Your heart is pain tolerant, Okay, I mean your emotional center of your being is a pain tolerant place. You don't have to like the pain, but you find that somehow or another, you're capable of tolerating the pain. Love is painful, child bearing is painful. Recovery is painful. A woman named Marian Diamond. She was the inventor of neuroplasticity, which is where we get the idea that the brain could be changed from where it was to a different place. This is in nineteen sixties, and she was disregarded for two three decades almost And she's the one that came up with the phrase use it or lose it. And so she discovered there are five ways to create what she called brain health. But the truth was she actually had discovered, in my opinion, she had actually discovered the five ways that the heart overcomes the brain, and so that we will quote choose health over comfort, and the five ways for us to be maximum maximumly fulfilled. She said she discovered nutrition, exercise, risking, seeing new things, taking on challenges, and love. I mean, these things were scientifically proven. But if you'll notice all five of those things, eating, healthy, exercise, seeing new things, taking on challenges, and love, all five of them require pain. We have to delay gratification for benefits. And so if you're not raised in a world where feelings are forms of strength. See now we're being raised more than ever before. Children are being raised with having feelings, but the feelings in so many ways because the parents don't trust them. The feedings become permission to not have to risk, rather than yes, you're gonna feel it, but I'll be here when you're done. Yes okay, versus don't feel it. And so many of us came from a don't feel it and now there's great permission to feel, but nobody could tolerate them. So there's a tweetter world. It's called delay gratification for benefit, and all of recovery is about taking the risk of having feelings to delay gratification. But it's a promise of gratification being better than satisfaction. When I eat apple pie muffin, I mean, just go down the list. It hits the blood brain barrier in seconds. If I eat healthy, I have to wait for the benefit to come. And it all has to do with feelings like I won't be okay your brain, and your brain is literally saying, look, you can do this tomorrow. Let's wait till tomorrow. I promise tomorrow will be a great day, but tonight for right now. And then when we go do the thing that that makes us comfortable, we wind up judging ourselves for being weak, and we weren't weak. We're not weak.

We're doing what the brain is.

We're doing what the brain is.

We're with the brains telling us to do to avoid feeling because your brain is a mechanism that says, I want.

We're with the brains telling us to do to avoid feeling because your brain is a mechanism that says, I want.

To take care of you, right.

To take care of you, right.

And that's why it's so important for us to learn and take back ownership from our brain and influence it in the direction that it needs to go rich than having it drive us around.

And that's why it's so important for us to learn and take back ownership from our brain and influence it in the direction that it needs to go rich than having it drive us around.

Yes, so, but what is it that takes control of the brain, And it's the one thing we run from heart? The heart. I know it sounds so weird, but the heart is created by God to take precedence over the brain. In fact, the God peace here and Proverbs four twenty three says above all else, I mean, like above everything else. It says guard your heart, and it doesn't mean lock it in prison. It be set it free and treasure it both. It's very valuable part of you to guard your heart above all else, because out of it flow all the issues of life. Another translation says, because it's the well spring of life. So if you don't know your heart, you'll never be free. If you don't have your heart, you'll never be courageous. If you don't have your heart, you can't be really curious. Everything's about controlling rather than experiencing. Wow.

Yes, so, but what is it that takes control of the brain, And it's the one thing we run from heart? The heart. I know it sounds so weird, but the heart is created by God to take precedence over the brain. In fact, the God peace here and Proverbs four twenty three says above all else, I mean, like above everything else. It says guard your heart, and it doesn't mean lock it in prison. It be set it free and treasure it both. It's very valuable part of you to guard your heart above all else, because out of it flow all the issues of life. Another translation says, because it's the well spring of life. So if you don't know your heart, you'll never be free. If you don't have your heart, you'll never be courageous. If you don't have your heart, you can't be really curious. Everything's about controlling rather than experiencing. Wow.

And so if you have ever heard yourself feeling like or identified with this whole short term gratification trap, not only did you just get the neuroscientific explanation from doctor chip DoD over here, but also you know again you cannot solve a logical problem or emotional problem with this logic and reason you know, and it's a hard In.

And so if you have ever heard yourself feeling like or identified with this whole short term gratification trap, not only did you just get the neuroscientific explanation from doctor chip DoD over here, but also you know again you cannot solve a logical problem or emotional problem with this logic and reason you know, and it's a hard In.

Fact, all addiction is a logic problem.

Fact, all addiction is a logic problem.

Yeah. In other words, it's trusting the logic too much. If I do this, I'll get that. If I get that, I'll do this if I do and your logic will always take you away from having to deal with feelings.

Yeah. In other words, it's trusting the logic too much. If I do this, I'll get that. If I get that, I'll do this if I do and your logic will always take you away from having to deal with feelings.

It will always win every drum.

It will always win every drum.

Yeah, every one of us who goes and does something that we know ahead of time is going to hurt us, right, and we do it anyway. It's not because we're stupid, it's because the logic said, go there absolutely to avoid feeling yeah.

Yeah, every one of us who goes and does something that we know ahead of time is going to hurt us, right, and we do it anyway. It's not because we're stupid, it's because the logic said, go there absolutely to avoid feeling yeah.

And I have so many conversations with these highly intelligent women and they're like, Lynne, I'm so good everything else.

And I have so many conversations with these highly intelligent women and they're like, Lynne, I'm so good everything else.

And I tell them, this is not an intelligence problem. This is not lack of thing you know it is.

And I tell them, this is not an intelligence problem. This is not lack of thing you know it is.

Really, it's so much deeper, and it's hardwired. It's a product of cause and effective. A lot of times, decades or a lifetime of these practices where the brain has gotten hijacked.

Really, it's so much deeper, and it's hardwired. It's a product of cause and effective. A lot of times, decades or a lifetime of these practices where the brain has gotten hijacked.

Hijack or is the doing the hijacking, and it gets hijacked, and people are very successful through their thinking. Almost most of the people that I treat years ago at the Center for Professional Excellence, most of those people were highly influential, highly achieved, super people, pleasing people. I'm talking about politicians, the lawyers, the doctors, and so on, male and female. I remember I would say to them, look, you're intelligent, amazingly. I know you're smarter than I am. I know that you have the willpower of a rhinoceros. You know, I mean your toughest nails. You couldn't endure what you've endured, even residency for example, in medical school. And you're moral, I mean you seek perfection. That's a form of morality. If nothing else, you know how to hide your secrets cause you fear being judged. But you're so smart, you're so tough, and you're so strong, but you look stupid, you look weak, and you look bad. But we know you're not because it's proven that you're not. So you don't have an intelligence probablem you don't have a willpower. Probably, you don't have a moral problem. You have a heart problem, honestly, not taking a risk of trusting honestly, that limbic system, that part of your brain that is the emotional center and the long term memory center.

Hijack or is the doing the hijacking, and it gets hijacked, and people are very successful through their thinking. Almost most of the people that I treat years ago at the Center for Professional Excellence, most of those people were highly influential, highly achieved, super people, pleasing people. I'm talking about politicians, the lawyers, the doctors, and so on, male and female. I remember I would say to them, look, you're intelligent, amazingly. I know you're smarter than I am. I know that you have the willpower of a rhinoceros. You know, I mean your toughest nails. You couldn't endure what you've endured, even residency for example, in medical school. And you're moral, I mean you seek perfection. That's a form of morality. If nothing else, you know how to hide your secrets cause you fear being judged. But you're so smart, you're so tough, and you're so strong, but you look stupid, you look weak, and you look bad. But we know you're not because it's proven that you're not. So you don't have an intelligence probablem you don't have a willpower. Probably, you don't have a moral problem. You have a heart problem, honestly, not taking a risk of trusting honestly, that limbic system, that part of your brain that is the emotional center and the long term memory center.

Yeah, you know, yeah, the elephant that never forgets that have boganfas. So let's talk about avoidance, Okay, because this is a big one.

Yeah, you know, yeah, the elephant that never forgets that have boganfas. So let's talk about avoidance, Okay, because this is a big one.

No matter who's listening. I know we've all that can be procrastination.

No matter who's listening. I know we've all that can be procrastination.

Avoidance, numbing. So let's talk about avoidance. Why does that happen? And I feel like there is not that we're making this a you know, society's bad conversation, but there is a societal pattern of kind of teaching us to numb instead of process avoidance, and how that just continues that disconnecting ourselves.

Avoidance, numbing. So let's talk about avoidance. Why does that happen? And I feel like there is not that we're making this a you know, society's bad conversation, but there is a societal pattern of kind of teaching us to numb instead of process avoidance, and how that just continues that disconnecting ourselves.

Yeah, you don't talk about that avoidance is actually just an impaired expression of wisdom. And what I mean by that because see wisdom, wisdom is because I've experienced life, I've learned from it, and I know how to process the feelings of it. Wisdom becomes a sense of intuitively knowing when to do something and when not to. Avoidance is a beat up form of wisdom that says, I don't want to have to feel that, I don't want to have to risk that, I don't want to be told I'm wrong. So avoidance becomes like a beat up form of wisdom and also a demand for perfectionism, like I'm not even going to step into yeah. And so it's part of the control addiction and ultimately in all addiction, all impairments related to addiction, because the core addiction is control addiction, that out of which comes all the expressions of our multi layered, multi dimensional, multifactorial expressions of the sickness of addiction. Whether it's like the disordered eating eating disorders, it could be, you know, like the drug of choice in this area. It can be believe it or not, some taking something very healthy and taking it to extremes. It was like even spinning things to avoid having to face things. I mean, the politicians expertise is the addiction of spinning, and it's an addiction to avoiding, to have to avoid having to actually stand up and say this is where I am, this is what I feel, because we're trying to keep ourselves brain safe rather than carry the taught integrity of their own hearts.

Yeah, you don't talk about that avoidance is actually just an impaired expression of wisdom. And what I mean by that because see wisdom, wisdom is because I've experienced life, I've learned from it, and I know how to process the feelings of it. Wisdom becomes a sense of intuitively knowing when to do something and when not to. Avoidance is a beat up form of wisdom that says, I don't want to have to feel that, I don't want to have to risk that, I don't want to be told I'm wrong. So avoidance becomes like a beat up form of wisdom and also a demand for perfectionism, like I'm not even going to step into yeah. And so it's part of the control addiction and ultimately in all addiction, all impairments related to addiction, because the core addiction is control addiction, that out of which comes all the expressions of our multi layered, multi dimensional, multifactorial expressions of the sickness of addiction. Whether it's like the disordered eating eating disorders, it could be, you know, like the drug of choice in this area. It can be believe it or not, some taking something very healthy and taking it to extremes. It was like even spinning things to avoid having to face things. I mean, the politicians expertise is the addiction of spinning, and it's an addiction to avoiding, to have to avoid having to actually stand up and say this is where I am, this is what I feel, because we're trying to keep ourselves brain safe rather than carry the taught integrity of their own hearts.

That makes sense, absolutely, okay, yeah.

That makes sense, absolutely, okay, yeah.

No, for sure.

No, for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then the avoidance itself becomes its own identity of like the well, this is just what I do, this is who I am, and then they forget that again it's just and then there's a numbing that comes with the avoidance because you don't even.

And then the avoidance itself becomes its own identity of like the well, this is just what I do, this is who I am, and then they forget that again it's just and then there's a numbing that comes with the avoidance because you don't even.

Know what you're doing, like what you're hiding from anymore.

Know what you're doing, like what you're hiding from anymore.

So a lot of times I'll ask a woman, you know, why does she think it is that she's not able to do?

So a lot of times I'll ask a woman, you know, why does she think it is that she's not able to do?

Is there something?

Is there something?

Is there a story that she's telling herself, a thought that she's thinking, a fear that she has, And the answer often is like, I don't even know.

Is there a story that she's telling herself, a thought that she's thinking, a fear that she has, And the answer often is like, I don't even know.

I never asked myself.

I never asked myself.

That's great, that's a great question you're asking. And avoidance is always about not having to touch a feeling I don't know what to do with I mean, avoidance is about not having to feel. I know it sounds you know, I sound like I one trick pony, but I'm telling you it's the most astounding thing every one of our problems that isn't just truly a sort of genetic neurophysiological purely you know, like a brain's broken, so to speak. Every one of our problems has to do with avoiding, over extending, reacting to doing everything we can to keep from having to do one thing. Feel our feelings, tell the truth about them, and trust that there's a process that allows us to heal from even feelings we don't want to have. That's it. I know it sounds so well.

That's great, that's a great question you're asking. And avoidance is always about not having to touch a feeling I don't know what to do with I mean, avoidance is about not having to feel. I know it sounds you know, I sound like I one trick pony, but I'm telling you it's the most astounding thing every one of our problems that isn't just truly a sort of genetic neurophysiological purely you know, like a brain's broken, so to speak. Every one of our problems has to do with avoiding, over extending, reacting to doing everything we can to keep from having to do one thing. Feel our feelings, tell the truth about them, and trust that there's a process that allows us to heal from even feelings we don't want to have. That's it. I know it sounds so well.

I think people need to hear the oversimplification because I think that what a lot of people are being told is that it is a will power problem.

I think people need to hear the oversimplification because I think that what a lot of people are being told is that it is a will power problem.

In order to you need to avoid, which is creating more.

In order to you need to avoid, which is creating more.

Of the problem absolutely versus like, well, why don't we look at what hole am I trying to fill a void of with food, social media, whatever? And how do I learn how to become emotionally and spiritually available to myself in those moments rather than turning to food.

Of the problem absolutely versus like, well, why don't we look at what hole am I trying to fill a void of with food, social media, whatever? And how do I learn how to become emotionally and spiritually available to myself in those moments rather than turning to food.

Jesus was so clear, unless you change and become like And he said one of these. He was literally talking about a three year old child standing at his knee, and he said, unless you change and become like one of these. And I just said something that every child can understand, and every child already knows. What are you feeling? What's the truth, what happened that you feel this way? Right? And what do you want related to it? In other words, there's a process that will bring you back to oxytocin, which is the chemistry of truly being connected, life giving, which is strength for the day we're all made to have relationship with heart to heart.

Jesus was so clear, unless you change and become like And he said one of these. He was literally talking about a three year old child standing at his knee, and he said, unless you change and become like one of these. And I just said something that every child can understand, and every child already knows. What are you feeling? What's the truth, what happened that you feel this way? Right? And what do you want related to it? In other words, there's a process that will bring you back to oxytocin, which is the chemistry of truly being connected, life giving, which is strength for the day we're all made to have relationship with heart to heart.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Yeah. I talk about oxytocin as being like the emotional safety harm, because it's like, if you don't feel emotionally safe, you can't be or do anything.

Yeah. I talk about oxytocin as being like the emotional safety harm, because it's like, if you don't feel emotionally safe, you can't be or do anything.

Isn't it true too that oxytocin, if everything I've read and I understand so far, it's the only like neurochemical that you can't produce synthetically.

Isn't it true too that oxytocin, if everything I've read and I understand so far, it's the only like neurochemical that you can't produce synthetically.

Yes, it is. You can't produce it synthetically.

Yes, it is. You can't produce it synthetically.

And that's what all of our addiction is an attempt to produce the relational connection chemical without having dear risk.

And that's what all of our addiction is an attempt to produce the relational connection chemical without having dear risk.

Social brain not this on licking reason and you know where the dopamine is coming in, Yeah, you can so, but we're trying.

Social brain not this on licking reason and you know where the dopamine is coming in, Yeah, you can so, but we're trying.

We're trying to produce it.

We're trying to produce it.

We're chancing after that quick high, that quick hit, rather than learning. And it's not even like we talked about last week. We're not doing it on purpose. Our brain is doing it without our consent, and that's where we need to get in there and do some you know, you know when.

We're chancing after that quick high, that quick hit, rather than learning. And it's not even like we talked about last week. We're not doing it on purpose. Our brain is doing it without our consent, and that's where we need to get in there and do some you know, you know when.

You said like once, we're sort of like blocked in heart once. We sort of have none to our hearts and we're not able to receive oxytocin. We're still in search of it like this, just as example, just you're not doing this podcast today, this episode today, when it's finished, you and I will have had an oxytocin experience. It's not just babies being born to touch with caregivers. But I have to be willing to believe it. You have to be willing to believe it because in the last episode that we did after it was always like hey, you said that was good. I'm like, yeah, I think that was good, But well I believe it because if I can't receive it, which means trust another person, I won't get the oxytocin.

You said like once, we're sort of like blocked in heart once. We sort of have none to our hearts and we're not able to receive oxytocin. We're still in search of it like this, just as example, just you're not doing this podcast today, this episode today, when it's finished, you and I will have had an oxytocin experience. It's not just babies being born to touch with caregivers. But I have to be willing to believe it. You have to be willing to believe it because in the last episode that we did after it was always like hey, you said that was good. I'm like, yeah, I think that was good, But well I believe it because if I can't receive it, which means trust another person, I won't get the oxytocin.

So I've got to be able to and we all have to be able.

So I've got to be able to and we all have to be able.

To ask you mean it? Are you telling the truth? We all have to be willing to doubt the people who are caring about us, not just oh thank you or reject. See avoidance that you brought up. Avoidance has everything to do with not trusting. And if you can't trust, you can't receive. If you can't receive, you remain isolated, and addiction is the ultimate best next choice, Richid.

To ask you mean it? Are you telling the truth? We all have to be willing to doubt the people who are caring about us, not just oh thank you or reject. See avoidance that you brought up. Avoidance has everything to do with not trusting. And if you can't trust, you can't receive. If you can't receive, you remain isolated, and addiction is the ultimate best next choice, Richid.

Whatever receivership is a is a teachable skill, Like I don't mean to make it sound robotic like that, but it is like opening your heart and then the receivership of receiving that, not just the oxytocin, but feeling worthy of love and belonging all of those things.

Whatever receivership is a is a teachable skill, Like I don't mean to make it sound robotic like that, but it is like opening your heart and then the receivership of receiving that, not just the oxytocin, but feeling worthy of love and belonging all of those things.

He was saying, like, I'm afraid to believe you is a beginning of experiencing oxytocin. That Chris can say I'm afraid and be received and not rejected. Is a trust experience, which is a life giving experience, which is a skill that's been gained, which is a faith that's been attained to Maybe I could do that again and turn out, okay, we're renewing ourselves. We're regrowing all that sort of thing. Seedling feeding's heal You got to feel.

He was saying, like, I'm afraid to believe you is a beginning of experiencing oxytocin. That Chris can say I'm afraid and be received and not rejected. Is a trust experience, which is a life giving experience, which is a skill that's been gained, which is a faith that's been attained to Maybe I could do that again and turn out, okay, we're renewing ourselves. We're regrowing all that sort of thing. Seedling feeding's heal You got to feel.

It to heal it.

It to heal it.

You sure knew it does I can't seal it.

You sure knew it does I can't seal it.

Yeah, And it doesn't have it doesn't always have to mean, like you said, go into a grad yard and digging up every tasket in the Absolutely.

Yeah, And it doesn't have it doesn't always have to mean, like you said, go into a grad yard and digging up every tasket in the Absolutely.

It could be right now, right now, starting today, right aimed. I would love it. I love this conversation.

It could be right now, right now, starting today, right aimed. I would love it. I love this conversation.

Well, we're going to be back next week where we talk about healing from the inside out and breaking free from the need to know, not just like trying not to know, but breaking free from that actual need to Where.

Well, we're going to be back next week where we talk about healing from the inside out and breaking free from the need to know, not just like trying not to know, but breaking free from that actual need to Where.

Could you find you find me at chipdod dot com chip d o d d dot com also Spotify at Amazon. The Living with Heart from Birth to Death podcast. I really encourage people to listen to that because there's so much in it. I get to be unbridled, which is really good.

Could you find you find me at chipdod dot com chip d o d d dot com also Spotify at Amazon. The Living with Heart from Birth to Death podcast. I really encourage people to listen to that because there's so much in it. I get to be unbridled, which is really good.

And go beyond the Voice of the Heart book.

And go beyond the Voice of the Heart book.

I mean, I'm getting to go way beyond Voice of the Heart book.

I mean, I'm getting to go way beyond Voice of the Heart book.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

So those are two ways that I would love to hear from people, and I'd love for people to get on the podcast.

So those are two ways that I would love to hear from people, and I'd love for people to get on the podcast.

Amazing. Yeah, and definitely check out the voice of the heart. You will not be sorry.

Amazing. Yeah, and definitely check out the voice of the heart. You will not be sorry.

We will be back next week for the third part of this series, so we'll see you then, Bye, thank you. We'll be back with more What's God Got to Do With It? But in the meantime, I would definitely love to hear from you, so just tell me where you are in your story or maybe what questions you have, like where do you feel you need clarity or support or wisdom in your own journey. I definitely want to hear from you, So head on over to What's God Got to Do with It dot com and scroll down to the form to share your thoughts, your questions, your feedback, and you can do that instantly.

We will be back next week for the third part of this series, so we'll see you then, Bye, thank you. We'll be back with more What's God Got to Do With It? But in the meantime, I would definitely love to hear from you, so just tell me where you are in your story or maybe what questions you have, like where do you feel you need clarity or support or wisdom in your own journey. I definitely want to hear from you, So head on over to What's God Got to Do with It dot com and scroll down to the form to share your thoughts, your questions, your feedback, and you can do that instantly.

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What's God Got to Do With It is an iHeartRadio podcast on the Amy Brown Podcast Network. It's written and hosted by me Leanne Ellington, Executive produced by Elizabeth Fozzio, post production and editing by Houston Tilley, and original music written by Cheryl Stark and produced by Adam Stark b

What's God Got to Do With It is an iHeartRadio podcast on the Amy Brown Podcast Network. It's written and hosted by me Leanne Ellington, Executive produced by Elizabeth Fozzio, post production and editing by Houston Tilley, and original music written by Cheryl Stark and produced by Adam Stark b