Former Justice Minister Dr Penuel Maduna says South Africans had to engage among themselves to shape their own future, a process that eventually led to the establishment of CODESA. Maduna is testifying at the TRC cases inquiry. He says following Nelson Mandela's release on 11 February 1990, various groups began engaging to find a peaceful way forward after much violence in the country under apartheid. Maduna disputes claims that former President Thabo Mbeki appointed someone to coordinate these discussions, saying they instead approached various political leaders and groups directly to facilitate meetings.