Few people know more about recovery than John Shinholser.
For years, the Marine Corps veteran has been helping people battle their demons and overcome addiction.
Now the co-founder of the prestigious McShin Foundation has shifted his focus to a plant that many have not heard of, but one that is currently at the center of a passionate discourse… both in Richmond and in Washington.
Shinholser sat down with Catie Beck on the latest episode of ‘Untold – A WTVR Podcast’ to talk about why he’s chosen the pro side of the kratom debate.

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Virginia State Police Col. Jeff Katz
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Tim Reid
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