Retired Secret Service agent Darin Kinder spent 25 years protecting America—and on September 11, 2001, his office was inside World Trade Center 7. As New York came under attack, Kinder ran toward the devastation and helped save lives.

Kinder joins Joe Pags to share his firsthand account of that horrifying morning, the courageous people he encountered and the events that changed America forever.

Then retired NYPD Sergeant and Blue Lives Matter NYC founder Joe Imperatrice joins the conversation to examine what happened to New York in the years that followed. How did a city that once united behind its police officers and first responders become a place where criminals are emboldened and cops are treated like the enemy?

Two powerful conversations about heroism, sacrifice, remembrance—and what New York has become since that fateful day.