It was so hard for Katie and Guillermo to decide when to have Jeff join them on the podcast, but he is finally here! And he explores how Shonda Rhimes helped guide him toward finding Cyrus’ character before diving into one of the most heart-wrenching episodes of the season. Plus, Katie and Guillermo get awestruck multiple times from Jeff.

What do you think, Gladiators? Email us at UTT@Shondaland.com or leave us a voicemail at 805-298-1474 to share your thoughts about the show, about food, about life, but mostly about the show. We would love to hear from you!