Two teas in a pod with Teddy, Melancants and camera Judge. We are back with the Twats and we have Melissa on. You guys need to make sure that you go over to on Display with Melissa Borga to hear the first part of this podcast because it isn't juice because starting to heat up when we stopped with your podcast. Now, we had Jacqueline on about a week ago. She had a lot to say about you, and you know, a week it's not like a month ago. I don't feel like years ago. But you know you you text me before I could text you because we've been friends for a long time, right, I kinda I have to admit I felt a little dirty after it, especially since I just saw you in Vegas and did an event with you and Eddie and I both love you and Joe Um. I felt like a lot was set. There was definitely a lot said. It was a lot podcast on Bash Melissa, not from you too, but I'll guess a lot of questions that would lure her in and with her. I mean, my question to you guys is like what you her in? What did we lure her in? Like I just thought you knew you're saying you didn't know the background she had been going on other podcasts. I did not know that. Oh yeah, any platform she can get on to just say negative things about me. Now, this is my question to you. Jacqueline has not been on TV for a very, very long time. I have no connections with her, haven't text her, haven't talked to her, don't follow her on Instagram, know nothing about what's going on in her life. Why do you think, like, what do you think triggered her to suddenly come out and just start calling me names and calling me a manipulator? Seeing she was on Teresa's podcast after she saw Teresa in Vegas. To me, that's that's not even a question. But she did it before she even went to Vegas, right, I don't know about your podcast. Let me ask you a question. Have you talked to Jacqueline? Where is this? You say she's bashing you? Where's this? Do you know? I have zero idea? So I know you have known her as long as I have. I haven't seen her since the day she left the show. She left very abruptly. She hated Teresa, she hated me. She never wanted to see us again. I never I understood her in Teresa's fight. They fought hard. You know. She used to treat accused Joe Judais of you know, banging the secretary and this and that, and her and Theresa used to go at it hard. Her and I we didn't really have that. It was like when Teresa and I made up, that's when Jacqueline just got really insecure about something. I don't even know what it was, but she decided she hated me as well. I don't know if she thought that meant that I suddenly was going to be teamed Teresa or something and not be friends with her as well. She just lost it on me. I to this day really never had a major argument with Jacqueline, Like I can't say to you guys, you know what this was, happened, This is what happened on the show, and I did this to her and then nothing, there's zero. I didn't do anything to her on the show. So I to this day don't know what pissed her off back then, and I don't know what's pissing her off eight years later right now. I don't follow her, I don't talk to her. I've never mentioned her name. Zero. So you're completely blindsided by all of this, well, I'm blindsided. I'm blindsided by it all. I don't get it, and I'm not engaging in it because to me, it's pointless and I have enough going on with like like real life of my own and what I'm dealing with on my current cast. So for me to dive in and start, you know, really diving in with Jacqueline and figuring that out would just be pointless to me and make this is too much talk about it. If I'm being honest, I'm going to say I can truly give two shits about Jacqueline and what she said because I have so many questions about Jersey and what's going on between you and Teresa and all. Great, let go the fall there. I don't want to give any more attention to somebody that we can't we can't watch what happens on camera, like to me, like if Bill Piano see any resolution, it's not of interest to me to talk about. So amen, Amen, Okay, moving on, moving on, Let's just go right into the first band question. You're gonna hate me for this, but I have to ask ahead, do you worry that where your relationship stands with Teresa, it's going to affect your place on the show. It possibly could, of course, of course it could. I think they can get to a point where they say, I don't know how we're going to put these two in a room anymore, or they're gonna put us in a room and say don't speak to each other and we don't care, right, I mean, of course, yeah, But I don't really think I have to get through the reunion first, and I think that's the way the producers are thinking as well right now, and executives. They want to get through the reunion. I don't think that the show can go on without either talked about this. Yeah, without either one of you. I want both, and to be honest, I also want Joe. Well, I don't necessarily need resolution. I don't know that. I don't know that there is resolution on all issues, but I can say that I thought this last episode there was a part of healing that was coming, and then once that conversation happened between Teresa and her daughters and Louie, it all shifted right Like I really thought you guys were in a place where it was going to happen, which I wonder, is that what's going to keep happening we're gonna keep believing that there's gonna be a resolution and then it's just going to whack us back into reality or what is the issue? Well, on the episode tonight, Jia actually says in her confessional that everything was fine, like from the time Teresa came home from prison. She was good with us, like she was fine. She was at our shorehouse constantly, she was bringing whoever she was dating around, we were meeting people, she was hanging out with us like she was fine. And Jia literally says on her confessional tonight that we were all at the short house, but we were all happy. And it changed when Louie came around. So I don't know what it is about Louie that made it change, or if it was Teresa just feeling like, listen, don't need you guys anymore. I'm going to keep it moving because deep down inside, she'd never really wanted this relationship, but she was just kind of stuck with it being her only family. I mean, I don't really know the full reasoning. I think no matter what the excuse is, it sucks and it's sad because when you have zero other family then it's like kind of crazy not to at least semi hold onto the little bit that you have just for holidays and for birthdays and just for like regular things. I what I said in that text message the first episode I meant, which was like, let's keep the peace. Let's not go to lunch. That's silly. We don't really want to go to lunch. Why are we going to go to lunch? Like we don't want to be together at lunch, but let's be in the same room. Let's reminisce sometimes when we need to. Let's do what we have to do. But we don't need to go to lunch. And that's and I meant that. So I don't know, I don't know where it goes. I feel like there's been a lot of leak text messages. It's been happening between you know, the two families, right, it was responsible for leaking those text messages, um Teresa and Luis. They gave them to a website that she talks to you you on the phone. She's been on the phone with this one website since two thousand and twelve. She talks to them constantly. They're they're anti Melissa, They're just they bashed me all day long. So I think so yeah, she just she's been on the phone with her for years. So it's basically Teresa's story. It's basically Teresa tweeting. It's basically Teresa talking. It's always been. I personally do not like leak text messages. I mean I don't like it either. Bravo doesn't like it either. Nobody likes it. I mean, I love them. They've done great for me. I think that I think that the lead text messages prove nothing except for more of my point, which was, we're not doing this for the show. We're doing this in real life, whether the show's running or not. We're not going to suddenly show up to your fiftieth birthday on an island with five of your closest friends when you just said you're not close to me, you don't even want me in the wedding. It makes zero sense. We know that there's an ulterior motive there, and it's it's fine. I'm not even nailing her to the cross Pard, I'm just like, I'm not coming. But a question, just because I have to Devil's advocate the same way I did when Jacqueline was on, do you think that, no matter how much you were there for Teresa's daughters while she was in prison. Using it to prove a point negates what you did for them, Like, can you see that at all? Who used it to prove a point? I didn't was that you on your didn't on the podcast you said that we put food on the table. Okay, that is so taken out of context. You have to listen to the whole entire podcast. What I said with that was that when Teresa. First of all, when Teresa went to jail for the first six months, she did not speak to me or her brother. She didn't write to us, She didn't she refused to put Joe on the list. He called her the morning she was leaving, and she basically hung up on him and said, you're the reason I'm going to jail. Facts. He was insulted. Six months no contact. She wanted to start using my attorney because she thought I was doing well. She reached out. My attorney called me six months in and said to me, are you okay with me starting to work with the Teresa because I really am a criminal attorney, even though I'm doing some entertainment stuff. And I said, you know what, I never want to hold you back from this is a high profile case. It's my sister in law. If she need you do it, go ahead, Jim, do it. So I then started to share my attorney with her, and at that point he started talking sense into her. I guess, and they the Teresa checks In show was being pitched and being brought up. It was going to be in the making. It was for Joe, Judaics and the girls. She then, at that point, six months later, put her brother on the list because he needed to come visit her on Teresa checks In, so vice versa. Excuse me say that again. Did he get paid? Of course, we all got paid, but no one got paid like Teresa got paid. We got like you know, day appearance rate. Of course, but we were. But my point of that is, who cares he would have seen her the first day. She wouldn't put him on the list. The only reason she put him on the list was because it was going to benefit her. He was going to come see her on the show, and she was then going to get paid for her coming to see it. So everything, you guys here is always twisting the narrative, and I'm really getting sick of it. So I need to correct it, because that's not the truth, and the truth is this second she put him on the list, he came to visit her. She started working with my attorney who was softening things and making her like see the light that she went to jail for different for all the you know, for certain reasons that have nothing to do with anybody but herself and her husband. Right then she loosened up a little bit and then she allowed me to have the kids. So that really was from like it started. And I want to say in like July and I have I went to my photos from twenty fifteen, that's the whole year she was away. I have a ton of photos at ice cream with the girls on my boat, like from the second she allowed me to have them, the whole entire summer they were at my home. So it's just all bullshit. It's a fake narrative. It's always twisting and turning because it's easy to use that as a crutch to say that we're opportunists because she was on the show first, And it's bullshit. It's bullshit. It's just it's an easy way out for her. Look at you, You fall into it half the time. It's an easy way out for her. It's an easy way out. Well, no, I mean we all get it. We were friends, were so and so because we want to continue being on the show, or because we want to do that. Well, that part, I think is total bs and And that's what I called Jacqueline and I said, listen, I think they're both people have been in the wrong. Both parties have done things that are mistakes. But I think we are starting to see a side of you this season that is speaking up for yourself. Yeah, or first for the first time I've been watching. Yeah, you're in a very bad position. But you're because it's like your husband, then your sister in law, and then you don't want to piss your husband off and you don't want to you know, it's it's a bad position. Over it. It's a really bad position, and especially when you finally want to tell the truth, it makes it worse. Who's holding the bigger grudge? Is it Teresa or is it Joe? Like? How can you guys not move forward? Um? I think both right now. I think Teresa is I don't know between the two of them, I just I can't tell. I really can't tell. They both are really pissed off. Both of them, and I know on your podcast we were talking a little bit about Tom Sandoval and kind of like some of his narcissistic traits and whatnot, alleged narcissistic traits. Do you think that Louie is doing a control of power and trying to remove Teresa from the people in her life so that he has all the control. I mean, he has a lot of x's that have been spreading a lot of rumors about him and saying a lot of things about him. Every single thing they have said is basically what we're seeing everything and he is. You know, we were told for the last two years that this man is a narcissist, what he's going to do, how he's going to control it, and we're just kind of watching it all play out. Is at this point, it's out of my business. She's a big girl and it's on her to deal with this. You know, Joe and I kept our minds, really, we kept it open in the beginning. You see, when he first came on, we had open doors for him. He was at my shorehouse. I had him with my family. My brother in law's were cutting his hair. We were, you know, we were We didn't yeah, because my brother in laws a barber. Yeah, we would like go and get like, you know, haircuts in my basement. For it was like we didn't let them in. You also see him in scene as if you were saying coaching, but coaching to be better peace, but coaching her while also bringing the girls in. I see both sides here. I see him calming her in ways, but I also see him stirring the ship. I also give you mad respect for having your children removed from the table. Yeah, while you're talking about their aunt. Thank you. It's just it's just one of those things where I'm not interested in it. I don't care about the show. I don't care about ratings, I don't care about anything when it comes to having them look stupid or silly or disrespectful to situations like that is to me, I've never felt like it was. Yeah, you recently said on an interview maybe it was your podcast, that there is people trying to dig into your personal life, right, is this something that's going to be shown on the show. Um, I'm trying to think what part you're at some point, Oh for sure, for sure, yes, yes, majorly, like majorly. Is it somebody that's currently on the show doing that? Yes? Is it Jen Aiden? I can't answer any question. What's that game? What's that game? It sounds like start unbelievable. I listen, it's been Aiden. Listen. You can see I'm in I'm in a position here. It's definitely a spot where you need to get to the end and then see how you feel about everything. I'm not saying I'm one hundred percent right in anything. I never was for you know, I take accountability for what I am as well. You know, I never blame our relationship on one person. That's not who I am. I own up to whatever I've done, But certain things are just unforgivable and are take a lot more time to get past than just like, hey, I'm sorry. Is this one of your most stressful seasons out of the how many? How many? I would say this one? Yes, along with season three, the first one and this one definitely what season? I mean thirteen and three? Does it bother you? Like? I mean, like sometimes I've had in the past thirteen years seasons that have like just bothered me so bad that like my insides were just affecting my mental health, It's affecting my marriage, effecting my children, is that a season that you've had or are you able to push it aside? No, I think that it's not. No, I'm not like that because if that was the case, then I mean, if I would have done something to someone and caused pain to someone like this, then I would be stressed. But it's happening. It didn't affect and you know, I can't really say much more. But no, I'm not stressed out like that. I think it's more of a sad season. I think it's a lot of it's not even the season what you're watching, it's the outside of the show shit that's going on that I'm like, I'm not we don't get paid for all of this extra Like what is everyone doing? Sit down, enjoy your children, like go to the water park, find your real friends, whoever they may be, and get the off Twitter. Like, I don't you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not even the show. I can handle the show because whatever I said or did on the show, I wanted to say it and I own it. It's the off camera stuff that's really the off camera stuff that I'm like, you're and it's just you're making so much extra work. You're dividing the cast. It makes no sense. It feels amateur to me. And I just think the biggest shit ster on the cast is jen Aiden. It's it's either Jen Aiden or Margaret. Margaret Shister's in a different way. Jen Aiden is a sneaky She's a sneaky shitster. She's behind the scenes that would say sneaky link. She's a sneaky link. I feel like Margaret pushes storyline. I don't feel as really as shitster, but I don't. But here's a I like Margaret, but I'm not getting a lot of Margaret's personal story. That's my issue. I don't mind, and I've said this before. I want shitsters. I believe me. I am a shitster. I love a shitster. But I have to know what's personally going on in your life that it's affecting you for me to relate to you as a shitster, right and if you're not opening up that side. So right now, Margaret's doing an excellent job of shit stirring. She doesn't have a lot going on in your life. Her life's perfect, so she just has to stir up other people's shit. I mean, I get some there's seasons where you don't have a lot going on, right, and then there are seasons where you do. It's it depends what's actually going going on, and that four months have you filming, you might be actually like at a calm point in life where there's nothing crazy going on, and it sucks if that's when the cameras go up. So you better be moving storyline. So she moves storyline exactly. She compensates. She does compensate for that. That way. There's a big difference between a snake and kind of like a story stir. Yeah, I mean, I like, I enjoy Margaret. I don't think I think the show would be failing without her, but I just um. I also wanted to ask about Ji Fessler because I have a real issue with the theatrics tarm Or does not um. I just feel like it's so over the top. Is that who she is? It is? It is, it's not I know what you're saying. She follow your sandwich and I was like, I think so much another sandwich. I was like, is she bullshitting me right now? Like, no, she's dead serious, No one's sharing sandwiches right now. She listen to me. She will grow to love her if you don't up. She is a little comic relief that we definitely need for the show. She says things that are kind of out of whack when we're all like in the depth, and you know when your ears hurt from sometimes when you watch the Bravo shows or the housewives, do your ears hurt once in a while because you're like, I just hear yelling. I don't even know what these women are saying. And she's the one that'll just be like she'll make it stop and like regroup, which we need sometimes. So I appreciate her for that. I'll tell you that because when it starts on the show, I mean, I'm closes with Rachel. Just our kids are friends. Her and Gino, Gino and Jaden are really good friends. They go to school together. Um, she lives in town by me. She's a little you know, she's she's great. I like Rachel. Amra says that I have her walk, that she has my walk, and I'm a little bit upset because that means there's multiple bad walkers of us out there. But have you ever noticed Rachel? Does she do the wobble? Teddie? I used to wait Just so you know, Teddy, I used to do the wabble, and my sisters and my husband and everyone used to get on me and say, you're walking like a duck. You're walking like a duck all the time. So I started to pay attention to the fact that I was walking like a duck, and I don't do it anymore. So I swear, if you tried, you have tried with I'm uncoachable. We've tried. We tried to coach her to walk. Even Brandy Glanville, who's a model, try to coach her, and she did well. And then she got on a stage like a truck. I can't do it. She's got like somevent in her shoes. I can't. Well, bet you guys, it's who I am. And you know what, it's who Rachel is apparently too, and there's some other bad waybody steal your walk. Well, Rachel, if you're gonna do my walk, please don't do it with low rise Frankie Bee jeans. That's all I've got to Oh my god, Frankie Bee jeans. Do you remember Frankie Bee jeans? I mean Teddy no, but do you remember Frankie Bee jeans? Everyone wanted my ass and Frankie Bee jeans, just saying grab that or not? All right? So just so you know, low Rise are coming back in. They're all over my store and I don't want anything to do with them. Oh I am not. Mine are like my jeans are like my chits right now. But I like to get higher than I would have. I'm sure wasted, so I like them on my no, but once you pull them up skin tight over the belly button and you can't go back. But I have a bubble butt. I like them to be shorter and bum. I don't want a long but oh my god, I have love handles and they don't need to be held on too right below my Frankie bees. Yeah, appreciate you coming on. Um. My final question is I know this has been asked a million times. Do you truly not believe there's any room for any reconciliation between you guys and Teresa. I would never say never, because that to me feels just I can't even let that. I don't want to say never. No, I always hope that a brother and sister can get back together, and that cousins can spend Christmas together. I'll always hope that. Well, that makes me happy, then because they are. They are the cousins seeing each other. Now. Um, I don't think they see each other a lot. They're both in different high schools and who's in college, and they don't see a lot of each other, but I know they snapchat and they talk back and forth. All right, Well, we appreciate you, and I wish you guys the best. And you know we're saying you're only as good as last week's episode. So we may say shit and you'll hate us for a week, but you'll probably like us again the next week. We're good. All good do you think? Girls? Oh night, Bye bye, love you guys. Bye,

Two teas in a pod with Teddy, Melancants and camera Judge. We are back with the Twats and we have Melissa on. You guys need to make sure that you go over to on Display with Melissa Borga to hear the first part of this podcast because it isn't juice because starting to heat up when we stopped with your podcast. Now, we had Jacqueline on about a week ago. She had a lot to say about you, and you know, a week it's not like a month ago. I don't feel like years ago. But you know you you text me before I could text you because we've been friends for a long time, right, I kinda I have to admit I felt a little dirty after it, especially since I just saw you in Vegas and did an event with you and Eddie and I both love you and Joe Um. I felt like a lot was set. There was definitely a lot said. It was a lot podcast on Bash Melissa, not from you too, but I'll guess a lot of questions that would lure her in and with her. I mean, my question to you guys is like what you her in? What did we lure her in? Like I just thought you knew you're saying you didn't know the background she had been going on other podcasts. I did not know that. Oh yeah, any platform she can get on to just say negative things about me. Now, this is my question to you. Jacqueline has not been on TV for a very, very long time. I have no connections with her, haven't text her, haven't talked to her, don't follow her on Instagram, know nothing about what's going on in her life. Why do you think, like, what do you think triggered her to suddenly come out and just start calling me names and calling me a manipulator? Seeing she was on Teresa's podcast after she saw Teresa in Vegas. To me, that's that's not even a question. But she did it before she even went to Vegas, right, I don't know about your podcast. Let me ask you a question. Have you talked to Jacqueline? Where is this? You say she's bashing you? Where's this? Do you know? I have zero idea? So I know you have known her as long as I have. I haven't seen her since the day she left the show. She left very abruptly. She hated Teresa, she hated me. She never wanted to see us again. I never I understood her in Teresa's fight. They fought hard. You know. She used to treat accused Joe Judais of you know, banging the secretary and this and that, and her and Theresa used to go at it hard. Her and I we didn't really have that. It was like when Teresa and I made up, that's when Jacqueline just got really insecure about something. I don't even know what it was, but she decided she hated me as well. I don't know if she thought that meant that I suddenly was going to be teamed Teresa or something and not be friends with her as well. She just lost it on me. I to this day really never had a major argument with Jacqueline, Like I can't say to you guys, you know what this was, happened, This is what happened on the show, and I did this to her and then nothing, there's zero. I didn't do anything to her on the show. So I to this day don't know what pissed her off back then, and I don't know what's pissing her off eight years later right now. I don't follow her, I don't talk to her. I've never mentioned her name. Zero. So you're completely blindsided by all of this, well, I'm blindsided. I'm blindsided by it all. I don't get it, and I'm not engaging in it because to me, it's pointless and I have enough going on with like like real life of my own and what I'm dealing with on my current cast. So for me to dive in and start, you know, really diving in with Jacqueline and figuring that out would just be pointless to me and make this is too much talk about it. If I'm being honest, I'm going to say I can truly give two shits about Jacqueline and what she said because I have so many questions about Jersey and what's going on between you and Teresa and all. Great, let go the fall there. I don't want to give any more attention to somebody that we can't we can't watch what happens on camera, like to me, like if Bill Piano see any resolution, it's not of interest to me to talk about. So amen, Amen, Okay, moving on, moving on, Let's just go right into the first band question. You're gonna hate me for this, but I have to ask ahead, do you worry that where your relationship stands with Teresa, it's going to affect your place on the show. It possibly could, of course, of course it could. I think they can get to a point where they say, I don't know how we're going to put these two in a room anymore, or they're gonna put us in a room and say don't speak to each other and we don't care, right, I mean, of course, yeah, But I don't really think I have to get through the reunion first, and I think that's the way the producers are thinking as well right now, and executives. They want to get through the reunion. I don't think that the show can go on without either talked about this. Yeah, without either one of you. I want both, and to be honest, I also want Joe. Well, I don't necessarily need resolution. I don't know that. I don't know that there is resolution on all issues, but I can say that I thought this last episode there was a part of healing that was coming, and then once that conversation happened between Teresa and her daughters and Louie, it all shifted right Like I really thought you guys were in a place where it was going to happen, which I wonder, is that what's going to keep happening we're gonna keep believing that there's gonna be a resolution and then it's just going to whack us back into reality or what is the issue? Well, on the episode tonight, Jia actually says in her confessional that everything was fine, like from the time Teresa came home from prison. She was good with us, like she was fine. She was at our shorehouse constantly, she was bringing whoever she was dating around, we were meeting people, she was hanging out with us like she was fine. And Jia literally says on her confessional tonight that we were all at the short house, but we were all happy. And it changed when Louie came around. So I don't know what it is about Louie that made it change, or if it was Teresa just feeling like, listen, don't need you guys anymore. I'm going to keep it moving because deep down inside, she'd never really wanted this relationship, but she was just kind of stuck with it being her only family. I mean, I don't really know the full reasoning. I think no matter what the excuse is, it sucks and it's sad because when you have zero other family then it's like kind of crazy not to at least semi hold onto the little bit that you have just for holidays and for birthdays and just for like regular things. I what I said in that text message the first episode I meant, which was like, let's keep the peace. Let's not go to lunch. That's silly. We don't really want to go to lunch. Why are we going to go to lunch? Like we don't want to be together at lunch, but let's be in the same room. Let's reminisce sometimes when we need to. Let's do what we have to do. But we don't need to go to lunch. And that's and I meant that. So I don't know, I don't know where it goes. I feel like there's been a lot of leak text messages. It's been happening between you know, the two families, right, it was responsible for leaking those text messages, um Teresa and Luis. They gave them to a website that she talks to you you on the phone. She's been on the phone with this one website since two thousand and twelve. She talks to them constantly. They're they're anti Melissa, They're just they bashed me all day long. So I think so yeah, she just she's been on the phone with her for years. So it's basically Teresa's story. It's basically Teresa tweeting. It's basically Teresa talking. It's always been. I personally do not like leak text messages. I mean I don't like it either. Bravo doesn't like it either. Nobody likes it. I mean, I love them. They've done great for me. I think that I think that the lead text messages prove nothing except for more of my point, which was, we're not doing this for the show. We're doing this in real life, whether the show's running or not. We're not going to suddenly show up to your fiftieth birthday on an island with five of your closest friends when you just said you're not close to me, you don't even want me in the wedding. It makes zero sense. We know that there's an ulterior motive there, and it's it's fine. I'm not even nailing her to the cross Pard, I'm just like, I'm not coming. But a question, just because I have to Devil's advocate the same way I did when Jacqueline was on, do you think that, no matter how much you were there for Teresa's daughters while she was in prison. Using it to prove a point negates what you did for them, Like, can you see that at all? Who used it to prove a point? I didn't was that you on your didn't on the podcast you said that we put food on the table. Okay, that is so taken out of context. You have to listen to the whole entire podcast. What I said with that was that when Teresa. First of all, when Teresa went to jail for the first six months, she did not speak to me or her brother. She didn't write to us, She didn't she refused to put Joe on the list. He called her the morning she was leaving, and she basically hung up on him and said, you're the reason I'm going to jail. Facts. He was insulted. Six months no contact. She wanted to start using my attorney because she thought I was doing well. She reached out. My attorney called me six months in and said to me, are you okay with me starting to work with the Teresa because I really am a criminal attorney, even though I'm doing some entertainment stuff. And I said, you know what, I never want to hold you back from this is a high profile case. It's my sister in law. If she need you do it, go ahead, Jim, do it. So I then started to share my attorney with her, and at that point he started talking sense into her. I guess, and they the Teresa checks In show was being pitched and being brought up. It was going to be in the making. It was for Joe, Judaics and the girls. She then, at that point, six months later, put her brother on the list because he needed to come visit her on Teresa checks In, so vice versa. Excuse me say that again. Did he get paid? Of course, we all got paid, but no one got paid like Teresa got paid. We got like you know, day appearance rate. Of course, but we were. But my point of that is, who cares he would have seen her the first day. She wouldn't put him on the list. The only reason she put him on the list was because it was going to benefit her. He was going to come see her on the show, and she was then going to get paid for her coming to see it. So everything, you guys here is always twisting the narrative, and I'm really getting sick of it. So I need to correct it, because that's not the truth, and the truth is this second she put him on the list, he came to visit her. She started working with my attorney who was softening things and making her like see the light that she went to jail for different for all the you know, for certain reasons that have nothing to do with anybody but herself and her husband. Right then she loosened up a little bit and then she allowed me to have the kids. So that really was from like it started. And I want to say in like July and I have I went to my photos from twenty fifteen, that's the whole year she was away. I have a ton of photos at ice cream with the girls on my boat, like from the second she allowed me to have them, the whole entire summer they were at my home. So it's just all bullshit. It's a fake narrative. It's always twisting and turning because it's easy to use that as a crutch to say that we're opportunists because she was on the show first, And it's bullshit. It's bullshit. It's just it's an easy way out for her. Look at you, You fall into it half the time. It's an easy way out for her. It's an easy way out. Well, no, I mean we all get it. We were friends, were so and so because we want to continue being on the show, or because we want to do that. Well, that part, I think is total bs and And that's what I called Jacqueline and I said, listen, I think they're both people have been in the wrong. Both parties have done things that are mistakes. But I think we are starting to see a side of you this season that is speaking up for yourself. Yeah, or first for the first time I've been watching. Yeah, you're in a very bad position. But you're because it's like your husband, then your sister in law, and then you don't want to piss your husband off and you don't want to you know, it's it's a bad position. Over it. It's a really bad position, and especially when you finally want to tell the truth, it makes it worse. Who's holding the bigger grudge? Is it Teresa or is it Joe? Like? How can you guys not move forward? Um? I think both right now. I think Teresa is I don't know between the two of them, I just I can't tell. I really can't tell. They both are really pissed off. Both of them, and I know on your podcast we were talking a little bit about Tom Sandoval and kind of like some of his narcissistic traits and whatnot, alleged narcissistic traits. Do you think that Louie is doing a control of power and trying to remove Teresa from the people in her life so that he has all the control. I mean, he has a lot of x's that have been spreading a lot of rumors about him and saying a lot of things about him. Every single thing they have said is basically what we're seeing everything and he is. You know, we were told for the last two years that this man is a narcissist, what he's going to do, how he's going to control it, and we're just kind of watching it all play out. Is at this point, it's out of my business. She's a big girl and it's on her to deal with this. You know, Joe and I kept our minds, really, we kept it open in the beginning. You see, when he first came on, we had open doors for him. He was at my shorehouse. I had him with my family. My brother in law's were cutting his hair. We were, you know, we were We didn't yeah, because my brother in laws a barber. Yeah, we would like go and get like, you know, haircuts in my basement. For it was like we didn't let them in. You also see him in scene as if you were saying coaching, but coaching to be better peace, but coaching her while also bringing the girls in. I see both sides here. I see him calming her in ways, but I also see him stirring the ship. I also give you mad respect for having your children removed from the table. Yeah, while you're talking about their aunt. Thank you. It's just it's just one of those things where I'm not interested in it. I don't care about the show. I don't care about ratings, I don't care about anything when it comes to having them look stupid or silly or disrespectful to situations like that is to me, I've never felt like it was. Yeah, you recently said on an interview maybe it was your podcast, that there is people trying to dig into your personal life, right, is this something that's going to be shown on the show. Um, I'm trying to think what part you're at some point, Oh for sure, for sure, yes, yes, majorly, like majorly. Is it somebody that's currently on the show doing that? Yes? Is it Jen Aiden? I can't answer any question. What's that game? What's that game? It sounds like start unbelievable. I listen, it's been Aiden. Listen. You can see I'm in I'm in a position here. It's definitely a spot where you need to get to the end and then see how you feel about everything. I'm not saying I'm one hundred percent right in anything. I never was for you know, I take accountability for what I am as well. You know, I never blame our relationship on one person. That's not who I am. I own up to whatever I've done, But certain things are just unforgivable and are take a lot more time to get past than just like, hey, I'm sorry. Is this one of your most stressful seasons out of the how many? How many? I would say this one? Yes, along with season three, the first one and this one definitely what season? I mean thirteen and three? Does it bother you? Like? I mean, like sometimes I've had in the past thirteen years seasons that have like just bothered me so bad that like my insides were just affecting my mental health, It's affecting my marriage, effecting my children, is that a season that you've had or are you able to push it aside? No, I think that it's not. No, I'm not like that because if that was the case, then I mean, if I would have done something to someone and caused pain to someone like this, then I would be stressed. But it's happening. It didn't affect and you know, I can't really say much more. But no, I'm not stressed out like that. I think it's more of a sad season. I think it's a lot of it's not even the season what you're watching, it's the outside of the show shit that's going on that I'm like, I'm not we don't get paid for all of this extra Like what is everyone doing? Sit down, enjoy your children, like go to the water park, find your real friends, whoever they may be, and get the off Twitter. Like, I don't you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not even the show. I can handle the show because whatever I said or did on the show, I wanted to say it and I own it. It's the off camera stuff that's really the off camera stuff that I'm like, you're and it's just you're making so much extra work. You're dividing the cast. It makes no sense. It feels amateur to me. And I just think the biggest shit ster on the cast is jen Aiden. It's it's either Jen Aiden or Margaret. Margaret Shister's in a different way. Jen Aiden is a sneaky She's a sneaky shitster. She's behind the scenes that would say sneaky link. She's a sneaky link. I feel like Margaret pushes storyline. I don't feel as really as shitster, but I don't. But here's a I like Margaret, but I'm not getting a lot of Margaret's personal story. That's my issue. I don't mind, and I've said this before. I want shitsters. I believe me. I am a shitster. I love a shitster. But I have to know what's personally going on in your life that it's affecting you for me to relate to you as a shitster, right and if you're not opening up that side. So right now, Margaret's doing an excellent job of shit stirring. She doesn't have a lot going on in your life. Her life's perfect, so she just has to stir up other people's shit. I mean, I get some there's seasons where you don't have a lot going on, right, and then there are seasons where you do. It's it depends what's actually going going on, and that four months have you filming, you might be actually like at a calm point in life where there's nothing crazy going on, and it sucks if that's when the cameras go up. So you better be moving storyline. So she moves storyline exactly. She compensates. She does compensate for that. That way. There's a big difference between a snake and kind of like a story stir. Yeah, I mean, I like, I enjoy Margaret. I don't think I think the show would be failing without her, but I just um. I also wanted to ask about Ji Fessler because I have a real issue with the theatrics tarm Or does not um. I just feel like it's so over the top. Is that who she is? It is? It is, it's not I know what you're saying. She follow your sandwich and I was like, I think so much another sandwich. I was like, is she bullshitting me right now? Like, no, she's dead serious, No one's sharing sandwiches right now. She listen to me. She will grow to love her if you don't up. She is a little comic relief that we definitely need for the show. She says things that are kind of out of whack when we're all like in the depth, and you know when your ears hurt from sometimes when you watch the Bravo shows or the housewives, do your ears hurt once in a while because you're like, I just hear yelling. I don't even know what these women are saying. And she's the one that'll just be like she'll make it stop and like regroup, which we need sometimes. So I appreciate her for that. I'll tell you that because when it starts on the show, I mean, I'm closes with Rachel. Just our kids are friends. Her and Gino, Gino and Jaden are really good friends. They go to school together. Um, she lives in town by me. She's a little you know, she's she's great. I like Rachel. Amra says that I have her walk, that she has my walk, and I'm a little bit upset because that means there's multiple bad walkers of us out there. But have you ever noticed Rachel? Does she do the wobble? Teddie? I used to wait Just so you know, Teddy, I used to do the wabble, and my sisters and my husband and everyone used to get on me and say, you're walking like a duck. You're walking like a duck all the time. So I started to pay attention to the fact that I was walking like a duck, and I don't do it anymore. So I swear, if you tried, you have tried with I'm uncoachable. We've tried. We tried to coach her to walk. Even Brandy Glanville, who's a model, try to coach her, and she did well. And then she got on a stage like a truck. I can't do it. She's got like somevent in her shoes. I can't. Well, bet you guys, it's who I am. And you know what, it's who Rachel is apparently too, and there's some other bad waybody steal your walk. Well, Rachel, if you're gonna do my walk, please don't do it with low rise Frankie Bee jeans. That's all I've got to Oh my god, Frankie Bee jeans. Do you remember Frankie Bee jeans? I mean Teddy no, but do you remember Frankie Bee jeans? Everyone wanted my ass and Frankie Bee jeans, just saying grab that or not? All right? So just so you know, low Rise are coming back in. They're all over my store and I don't want anything to do with them. Oh I am not. Mine are like my jeans are like my chits right now. But I like to get higher than I would have. I'm sure wasted, so I like them on my no, but once you pull them up skin tight over the belly button and you can't go back. But I have a bubble butt. I like them to be shorter and bum. I don't want a long but oh my god, I have love handles and they don't need to be held on too right below my Frankie bees. Yeah, appreciate you coming on. Um. My final question is I know this has been asked a million times. Do you truly not believe there's any room for any reconciliation between you guys and Teresa. I would never say never, because that to me feels just I can't even let that. I don't want to say never. No, I always hope that a brother and sister can get back together, and that cousins can spend Christmas together. I'll always hope that. Well, that makes me happy, then because they are. They are the cousins seeing each other. Now. Um, I don't think they see each other a lot. They're both in different high schools and who's in college, and they don't see a lot of each other, but I know they snapchat and they talk back and forth. All right, Well, we appreciate you, and I wish you guys the best. And you know we're saying you're only as good as last week's episode. So we may say shit and you'll hate us for a week, but you'll probably like us again the next week. We're good. All good do you think? Girls? Oh night, Bye bye, love you guys. Bye,