Two teas in a pod, which Teddy meloncan't and camera edge good morning. Well it's not good morning, good morning for us, and we are disaster zones over here at two cheese in a pod. I mean, we obviously can't talk about it. But as I'm sure you saw by the pictures, Tam had a busy day yesterday, busy day, and I'm freaking exhausted it got home there might have been some tequila shows, got home pretty late last night, and then I couldn't go to sleep because my mind was just buzzing. So then God I went to bed. Finally got up at four in the morning because I had to watch a couple of housewatch shows. Souse I haven't had time was Beverly Hills in Salt Lake City, which neither one of them disappointed. No, neither one disappointed. And in honor of last night's repeated shirt offender, we have decided to wear own Jesus, fix It, Fix It with Kathy and Kyle um and love Love, Oh you look like? What was cathy shirt? Say love or peace? Peace Peace? Both times that she wore it, it said peace. Um okay. So so funny that she was so happy with herself about wearing that shirt again. I'm here for peace. It's peace. Um. But before we get into any housewives headlines or um recaps, let's do our institution as this one is kind of interesting. Why don't any of the housewives wear seatbelts? Have you noticed this? That a lot when they're in the cars, they don't have seatbelts on. Well, I can speak for myself. A lot of times you pull up. Let I'll take a for instance, I pull up to cut Fitness and I go inside. I talked to the producers and they're like, okay, we need to drive up so you can't get back in your car. And you drive up and then it's a two second dry and you don't think about putting your seatbelt on. I got very mindful of it because I did get called out once like I have to wear my seatbelt in my car and my car won't start freaking danging, you know the sensor. So I think that's why, UM, I do say in the back if I'm being driven around, I have a really good driver this year, and he always tells me, Tamara. Donald tells me, Tamara, is your seatbelt on? And I said, oh, thank you Donald? And I put my seatbelt on, but in the back stat I'm really bad about it. I know, and I think also a lot of times, yes, you're correct when I'm said about the drive up. They always want to see you getting out of the car. I don't know why because and they never even show it. Um but a lot of people don't want it to wrinkle whatever high end fancy outfit they have on. So I don't really have problems with that one. Well, yeah, I mean neither, but I I see that like sometimes like depend on what you wear for a wrinkles really bad. But I mine personally can't drive my car with that bas belt on. I personally can't drive. So you know, we need we need to work on that. I drove yesterday. I drove you know how far a mile m So you actually could have walked. I could. I could have. The Only reason I didn't walk us because I had a lot of things in the car that I needed to drop somewhere. So so why do you have a car if you never drive? Because like this is gonna sound so nuts, I can drive on Wednesdays. Don't even continue. You can drive on Wednesdays. Wednesday, It's like part of I think it's part of my O C D. But like Wednesdays is a good driving day, Saturday is a good driving day. It's just something. Saturday is the busiest day of the week. I know, but I can, I think because I can ultimately drive to the barn. So Wednesday and Saturday mornings I drive slate to the barn. Well, what happens if you get wild and drive on a Tuesday? I mean I could drive. Well, see, that's why you guys, I've taken my I walk my kids to the bus, so like I don't have to really drive. I can walk to the rotary store. I work from home. Where do I walk to the grocery store? Than you're the one walking down the street with a cart. Now I don't have a cart. I like go so often that I just have like the two bags and then all my things are in walking distance. The dermatologist, I don't have an You're essentially located that you have to walk everywhere. I'm centrally located, Thank goodness. Um. The next question is, Teddy, would you have kept pressing Kathy like Renna or stopped after her apology? UM? My answer to that is it would have depended on what she said. Um, but I also think my delivery is slightly different. What would you have done, Tam, because you're always just so subtle in your delivery. Oh, I'm so subtle in my delivery. Um. I think that we're talking about the Renna Cathy at the end, Like I mean, I think that she kept pushing it and pushing it and pushing it, and I think that there was a part of her that was doing it just for good TV. It's like, I'm not letting you off. And then it came across a little aggressive. I don't necessarily think that Lisa's message was bad, but her continuing to push and push and push makes her look bad. And I've had this happened to a million times, Like I want to get my point across, and my point might be right, but if you're too aggressive in your point of view, you just look like a jerk. And I felt like Lisa started to look at jerk. She could have cut it off a little bit sooner. Yeah, Like I think at the beginning, you could totally you can see both sides. You can start to see, Oh, I can see both sides, and I definitely think Cathy's hiding something there's no doubt, and I think that's what happened. Then you know this part we'll get into more. But whenever thing's happened off camera, that that's always going to be problematic. Which is part of the reason why I love Lisa Barlow so much, Which is our next question, it's who is your favorite from Salt Lake? Because she did what a house life was supposed to do. She waited during the off season, did not apologize to heradith off camera. So we are coming in fresh to a new season, left off the reunion, right right, and you can fill that smart. How long? How long of a break did they have, do you know? Well, I mean we were already I mean we've been podcasting all the way through their whole last season and their bread I would say maybe two months, but I remember they started filming early because of the gin Shaw stuff. Yeah, so they didn't have a lot of time in between. Like some of these shows start filming immediately. Like look at Atlanta. There's I don't know if it's true, but there's you know, post out there saying that they're already filming and they've announced to like the new you know, final If it's a friend or a New Housewife and I'm like, they don't do that anywhere else. Yeah, No, I think they just they want to get right going. But I think it's also something to think about is when you are filming Housewives during Bravo Con, A lot goes down at Bravo Con. So like for you guys filming o C for Atlanta, who is filming for you know, I'm freaked out about that, Yeah, because she really goes down and what goes down, and it's, um, it's pretty crazy to think like we're gonna all be away from cameras for five days or however long it is in all in the same hotel pretty much, and it's yeah, it's I know, I just got like my press schedule and all the different things, and I'm like, this is gonna be intense. And if you guys haven't gotten tickets, make sure you still have time. Um, but it I feel like i just need to bring my own little handicam and I'm just gonna film, yes, Teddy Walters Teddy Walter Walters on location like cam we go out to dinners or too parties or whatever. I'm just gonna have my cam and just be like yeah, because no one will even care. That's the problem. When you're in the middle of a bravocn fight, people are like, whatever, Yeah, it's gonna be epic, it's gonna be good, but okay. Housewife headline Leslie Badoor post she has filed for divorce with a photo with her daughter on the beach. She also posted on her Instagram stories. Her main caption says, I'm filing for divorce. While this is not what I have ever expected, it is what is best. I value myself and the happiness and well being of my children. I am so grateful for a tremendous circle of friends and family who support me. Looking forward to a bright and happy future with my beautiful kiddos. Then, on her story, she writes, I have a lot to share, will one day. For now, I'm going to focus on spending all my free time with my amazing kiddos and laughing with my friends. I'm so sure you're laughing up a storm. Do you think that I should have Leslie share on the pod with MOA. I don't want anything to do with it, but yeah you can. Um it's really weird to me, like he filed for divorce, and then she announced he didn't announce. She announced that he called it off. But then but then there was convicting, Yeah, conflicting views, and somebody from the court said, no, that's never happened. But sometimes it takes two weeks to go public. So and now she's filing for divorce. My question is, why the hell does she have a check next to her name? Because of the first time around, remember when she like lost it. I can't remember what walmart about Walmart? Yeah, where she like I feel like she got a checkmark somewhere around that time because she's not a public any or whatever. So anyway, so she now has claimed that she filed for divorce, which is crazy, but then she has to go and talk about it, like why can't you why why are you talking about it? Why are you telling it? Because she must want to be on the show that's never gonna happen The Housewives. Yes, oh that will never happen. That is never gonna happen. But I do think possibility that she could be reaching out to Shannon soon. I think that's the possibility. But also I mean I think I think she would probably come on and talk to us. But you know, there's a part of me. She hates me so well, I'm sure she hates me too. I probably, you know most people do. It's a hate love. It's like hate sex, Like you can't help but listen to it, but you hate it. Okay, Um, you gotta get into the next one. Oh my gosh, So real Housewives of Beverly Hills start. Erica james mansion sold for seven point five million to payback victims of husband Tom's embezzlement. So Radar Online broke the story. Erica james one time lavish mansion shared with her strange husband Tom has been sold off as part of the lawyers in voluntary bankruptcy. Radar online dot Com has learned. According to the court documents, the trustee presiding over Girardi's Chapter seven case has informed the court that buyers named June Tao and Ping Tao have put forth and offer for seven point five million. Oh that's a that's a lot of money in the new court. Finally, the trustees asked the judge to sign off on the deal and allowed the proceeds to pay back a few of the mini creditors. The home had initially been put on the market for thirteen million. Holy crap, so it went for almost half as part of the bankruptcy. In one, however, the trustees had been forced to slash the price several times over the course of several months. The asking price was lowered to eleven point five million, then down to nine point nine eight million, and then down to eight point nine million. Yeah, and I mean I then finally sold for seven point five What a steal? What? Well, I think that's because the house really needed an upgrade. Oh you think, yes, so, I you know, I think it just kept getting slashed. But also I think that all of their items were also auctioned off. I think that's what I was gonna ask, like, did it sell with everything in it? Or everything was auctioned off? No? I think there it's two separate things. But then you go to wonder, you know, how much of this money will actually go to the victims, and how much goes to lawyers? And how much do we know if the house is paid off? I don't know. I would have. Well, it's in bankruptcy, so that yeah, But isn't the bank going to get part of this money? That's what I'm saying. How much will actually go to That's what I was wondering if the house people bought it straight out, Yeah, yeah, and the house was like the Tom and Erica had paid cash for the house or something, and then now, like, is all that money going towards the victims? I would probably think not. I'm sure they had a mortgage on it, so part of it has to go to the bank as well. But even if they owned it straight out, the people buying it now probably aren't buying it cash. I mean, who knows we have I don't know, but uh, you don't know. We do not know, Okay. Real Housewife of Salt Lake City star Heather Gay I will never shut the door on jin Shaw Full Today Show article here. Gay was hopeful about her relationship with Barlow during season three. Heather says after the season two reunions, she and Barlow went to dinner together at Leasta bought a bottle of Vita tequila. Gay said she felt really hopeful that Lisa and I could get to a great place and really enjoy each other. Gaze. Hope didn't last long, as Gay told Today, I can tease that nothing changes about our relationship during the season three um. She also shares that her relationship with Whitney Rose is deeply painful, which I think if you watch watch What Happens Live last night, you can see that there is a lot of bad blood there between the cousins, h between the cousins. And then um Gay said she portrayed everybody by writing her book. I didn't realize how deeply loyal I was to the faith I no longer believed in, and moreover, to my family and my friends who still deeply believed. I was trying to figure out how to tell my story honestly and cannot betray everyone I love the most guests what happened, I couldn't figure it out, So I betrayed everybody and wrote the book. As a result, I'm proud of it good and I stand behind every single word. And I wouldn't have taken the risk and challenge relationships with people I love the most if it weren't true. Um and then final things she said was she will never shut the door on jin Shaw. That's what a good friend does, even if every cell in my body was like, something's not right. That's not what you do when your friends are in trouble. I wasn't supporting Jen and her Ennsis, so much. I was just supporting Jen and her journey. If I'm going to be Jen's friend when she's up and queen and m v P, I'm going to be her friend when she's down pleading guilty and facing sentencing, I will never shut the door on jin Shaw, Gay continued. Okay, so she's already to betrayal her friends, but she's there for gen Sa. You mean betray her family. Yeah, but the betrayal is okay, But when it comes to gen Shaw, she's there to the end. She is there to the end. A K. I am scared of jin Shaw and I somewhere exactly. Um, that's that. That was interesting. So Camille strikes again. This woman can't stop commenting on Beverly Hills Housewives, can't she well, and then we have to point out that people will then say the same thing to me, like Teddy, you're just as bad as because I've made a comment about this before, and people, this is a job, you get paid for it. But like this, look at these notes, these chicken scratch notes. This is work. This isn't like a little work, This isn't like a little whim like And also can Camille, once again pointing out the obvious and pandering to the audience. But go ahead and read, Oh my god. So Camille weighs in on our recent post. She says, Renn it is a hypocrite. So Bravo Housewives posted. Is this this is on Instagram or is this Twitter? I think she's probably two. Okay, extended to sneak peak, Kathy and ren A face off tonight on the new Real House is Beverly Hills follow Bravo house whatever, and then can put I can never say this word hypocrisy, you said, I know, I can never say the hypocrisy and then she and then it's pinned somehow they pinned it to the top right, and then Camille goes everyone has lost their temper on Housewives, especially if they have been pushed to limit gaslight by some ladies. But here's the thing. I get that everyone is pushed to their limit. However, in this moment when Kathy loses it, Kathy wasn't being pushed by any of the ladies. They weren't treating her terribly. So if we go back and look at the history of time when women have lost it, it's because things are hit Like when you lost it in the where were you in Ireland? Yeah, I've lost it everywhere in the world, but it was because somebody was coming at you. I rarely lose it for no reason like I have to. There's there's gotta be a reason, Like what Kathy was losing it over was a hectic work schedule or what you know, something had opening about a drink, but like people weren't coming for her. I'm still really royally confused on what really pushed over. It started with the tequila, like Renna not ordering the right tequila, and then just escalated from there and they just never stopped and it just never stopped. But you know, you realize in this episode that the women didn't even realize she was losing it at Chimo Sabi No. I know. So you're like, WHOA, Well, that's when when she's like Kyle's doing nothing, Kyle's oblivious to what is going on. She's like doing whatever she's doing. It's like it's not like she's sitting there watching with Rena's drinking. So I mean, yes, do I think everything was handled correctly in this episode? Absolutely not. But do I think you can do a parallel of women losing it on Housewife? For absolutely no reason. Now, it's just so difficult when things happen off camera and then you try to put the pieces together. The one thing that I am confused about is that Renna has a mouth, Like she's the mouth and the show, and she will call everybody out and say how she feels in a sometimes an aggressive manner. Why has she not exposed Like at the very beginning, she's very like she didn't want to say what happened. I mean, I think the same way that we can't always say what happens we have bosses. But she said like a lot was said about Kyle. You know, she said a lot about Kyle. But then I never really fully have heard unless I missed it, what she said about Kyle. Well, I think first like what I saw in this episode at least was Kyle was saying she didn't want to know because it would hurt her feelings too much, or maybe I saw that on the Bravo after show or whatever those things are where you like sitting next to somebody on those chairs, I forget what they're called. Um, but Kyle says like I never wanted to know the extent because I don't want to have to live without her I don't hurt my feelings too much, um is what she said then. But I think that's what we're you know, even in the episode, Kyle says she doesn't want to know. Okay, so that makes more sense. Um, sure, but yeah, Camille is just you know, she Camille. Here's the thing. I don't even mind. Like if people are to tweet and they're not getting paid to tweet, but Camille when she's actually in your face, has nothing to say. Yeah, she backpedals, so we all remember that. So oh, this next one is Jim Shaw tweets about Lisa Barlow. So last night on Watch What Happens Live, Andy asked Lisa Barlow and um Whitney h if they will keep in contact with Coach Shaw and the kids if Jen goes to prison, and Lisa says, I don't really know Jen's kids, but I think they're doing great things. And if I see Coach i'd be super nice to him. He's been great to me. And Whitney says, yeah, if her kids ever need anything, I would be there for her kids. I don't think they're necessarily in this moment saying anything bad. They're just no winning out the obvious and then jin Shaw tweets, I don't want anyone looking after my kids that calls them the N word at lista Barlow hashtag, Watch what Happens Live hashtag rh O SLC hashtag In a double CP, she when did that happen? I at least did this? We don't We've never seen this happen. I mean, and I and I really hope Lisa did not say that. I mean, we don't know. I would hope she wouldn't say it either. Yeah, I agree, I agree. Then there's a of course they right after the episode or whenever it was. There's an R H O b H deleted scene where Garcelle and Sutton call out the group's very obvious double standard. Um Garcela says, Erica and Kyle Derete and Kyle made up very quickly. Derit says Kyle and I it's like two annoying sisters that fight in our you and Sutton says, what's more surprising how quickly the apologies are taken. Dred defends herself, I do not have the heart to leave someone or not be there for someone, and then Crystal says, definitely, a few people in this group protect each other at all costs, and they would hold none of each other accountable and if they do something wrong they get a slap on the hand. But with us, the wrath comes out. And I'm sick of the double standard. Listen. Yes, do I think there's always double standards and Housewives, Yes, But it really depends on the person you're fighting with. If you see when Garcell was having the issue with Erica recently, when she went on the reil and talked about it. Immediately Garcell said, I'm sorry, and Erica dropped it, did you not? Yeah, No, you're right, You're right, Like it really just depends. There's ways to shut down an argument, and there's ways to exacerbate in our for sure, for sure. So Candy talk seating arrangement for the Real Housewives Atlanta reunion with Andy co in Um. She was shocked by the lineup where they were sitting. Was that because she was at the end, just like Say? Andy said, because Say and Marlowe had the most drama, they were sitting next to him, which is normal, right, typical. Candy agrees, thank you for saying that, So says, it's a seat for the people who have been in the most mess says Drew and Sonia sitting next to each other was weird, and we I think we talked about this on you know, one of the reunions, saying it was weird for them to be sitting next to each other because her back was to her. You know, it was like it was a little weird. So I'm not going to disagree with what Candy has said. Me eat the Um okay, let's take a little break and we'll come back and talk about Beverly Hills. We are back, and this is the episode before the finale, and I you know, oh, so we only have one more episode of Beverly Hills. They're in like episode twenty, episode twenty. That is a long season, long long season. Okay. It starts out with dried and Kyle's face time. Umdre says, Rnna left early and no one knew why. However, Crystal actually did know why. And then let's i mean also point out the obvious that Kathy didn't come on the plane but came in pretending all was okay. And you know, that's that's the beginning scene. We realized that, uh, that wasn't really going to be addressed, and people were at this point going to pick where they wanted to lie on whatever happened of camera. Now, what killed me in the very beginning was a little scene with her and her daughter I ten men three five four three. I'm like, oh my god, Pen, this is going to be a star. She is. She she's already a little star. Like she knows how to ham it up. Get like she she a scene Steeler every time she's she's really thinking. But both the kids are like that, right, yeah, but Phoenix, I think, I mean, Phoenix is just I don't know, she's she's adoring me. Um. Then that's when Kyle says she thinks it's maybe best. She doesn't know how bad it actually was or what things were potentially said. So it was that their makeup scene because I kind of feel like, um, when they were in unless I missed something, when they were in Aspen, Jari was really you know, team Erica and kind of like we said, she was playing both sides. Well, I think that's just been her thing this entire season. Um. I think they made up in Aspen when like she got ready. But like obviously they still have that because we saw the watch What Happens Live. I mean they may have made up, but there's still some sort of tension because you saw. That's what I thought, because of what happened on Watch Heaven's Live. Okay, yeah, so I mean I don't think that everything's hunky dory, No, I know. Um, I gotta get props to Erica. Um. I love seeing my housewives with no makeup on at their you know, when they're sad and upset, and a lot of housewives will not do that. Well. I think she learned her lesson after that hiking scene from last year. Or she was crying and then didn't wipe the tears and there was just the line. Yeah, I mean it was sad. It broke my heart. Erica says since moving out and filing for divorce, she has made therapy a regular thing. Her therapist tells her that she is not only at a loss of her husband, but also at a loss of the of who she thought he was. Erica talks about how she misses the Tom who made everyone feel good, but as sweet as he could be, he could flip. So did you ever see him really flip? Or I never really saw him. I think I met him one time. She had a pretty mess concert. I met him at in the green room for one second, like not even we didn't even we weren't even introduced. And then the second time was at Erica's house where he came in and just like told stories about himself the entire time and um and but then they do flashback scenes of where he is being, you know, dismissive of her, and I think that's why she quit bringing him around the group, Like wouldn't you be the same, like if you're gonna treat me like that on camera? But um, I mean two other things came up while I was watching the scene, which the ancient MacBook Air was definitely not on the list of things to be sold. When I saw the computer, I was like, that's like my computer that never turns on. Um so that And did you recognize the therapist? No? I didn't, but she was very glad in her zoom. Who is it? That's Dr jin Well, I think Dr jin Man. She used to be doctor Jim Berman, who was on either couple's therapy familiar, Yes, and she has all these books And I mean I liked what she said. It made a lot of sense. But the first thing I noticed was like she was on that train wreck reality show with like and I loved that show, um so well, I think because in general, I don't even know if that's her real therapist. It could be, it could not be. But most therapists are not okay to go onto a reality show. Yeah, unless they're like a well there like the guy. No oh yeah Dr Ken, dr Ken. Yeah. Yeah, unless you're doctor Drew. You really don't want to. Yeah, unless you're a celebrity therapist. Most of the time they you want to keep a pretty low pro for sure. Yeah. I definitely don't see uh, my my therapist wanting to make any kind of podcast. Kid, She's like, I talked to you one out, honey. Um. And then this part really sunk into me was when Erica says, I want to believe it all got away from Tom, not that he orchestrated it this way, but like kind of the way she said it, like like theory, and but it felt like a raw moment of being afraid and changing her mindset to acceptance, like something I think we all forget about everything she's going through. It's not just these lawsuits, but she's lost her husband of twenty some years, to her house, her security, all that stuff, her career, like her other side of her career, like which I think that's where she found a lot of her happiness was through you know, performing and doing all that. We never saw her perform once this season or anything. I know, that's what I was thinking, if she was going to go back to it, Well, I think it's expensive. That's what I was gonna say. It's gotta be expensive and got to be expensive. I think also some things came out in this therapy appointment when you see the Dr Jen saying, you know, this is a lot like your childhood where you weren't allowed to have a voice, and you you know, those are little tidbits that like bring us into like things that we don't really know, Like she's a human, she's got feelings people. Um. And then but she says it again, I'm going to say something that isn't popular, and she brings up the fact that you know, she also is you know, she's also a victim here. Whatever it was that she actually said, um, where you're just like, I wish you would leave it where it is. We know we know that part. I know, let's leave it like this is such a good moment where we we actually see the softer side of you leave it. Yeah. Um, well obviously it's hard for her yeah, um, but she does have her her pretty much hey, her pop up shop, pretty mass hair pop up shop? Where then yeah, say that three times fast hair pop up shop. And did you see who was there doing the press? Uh? Lena? Yes, I know. When I saw that, I go, okay, yep, that well, she used to be a People magazine. I don't know where she is now. No, she used to be at Hollywood Life. Hollywood Life, and then she went to People. Did she move again? I don't know. She's freely. I have no idea because it didn't say below People Magazine. That's the only reason I'm not sure where she is. But it's impossible to go to any event and her not be there. Her not be there, right. She was like when we went on that hike that day. I know when we went up we did like an ad for something and went on this hike for like hey, and then all of a sudden, I'm like hey, and she's like, can I enter your first second? Remember remember she took Kyle over to the side and we're like be careful, We're like and then we were trying to have a conversation on the hike, and she kept getting closed certain clothes at us, and we're like, no mind, we're trying to gossip here and you're gonna leak everything. Get away. We had to, we had to stifle ourselves because she is sweet. She's sweet, she is nice. Um, she's I know, she's nice. But but the pop up shop. And then, you know what I love the most about the pop up shop? When Lisa Wrenna admitted that her outfit was rented, well, I don't think Lisa really thought they were going to get that part. Well obviously obviously. Now my question, but does she rent all her clothes? Because you know what, not a bad idea. I'm jealous. I wish I knew about this, and then I wouldn't have to loan all my clothes to you so that I don't have its guilty about buying them. I will never borrow another piece of article from you again, because you called me out every time. Well, no, it's good, I'm borrowing stuff from you. Are you kidding? I already saw that the coral dress that you wore, and we can't talk about what it was, but not the on dress with the other one. I think it's a suit. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, the short suit. Yeah of course. Um yeah, I want to know if you can find out where she rents from, because there's Rent the Runway, but they don't really have a lot that stuff like that. That's not like stuff like that. It's not high end. But we're at the Rent the Runway. I have rented address for opening titles once from Rent the Runway because I needed a specific color Da da da da, and they had it. I'm like, what the hell? My guess is by rent, she probably means she pays a stylist and the stylists borrows and then she you know, like if you pay a stylist fee like the high end, they can get the I don't know, but that's borrowed, she said. She clearly said rent. So I I went online and I said, well, what the hell? So I put rent high end clothes and of these, there's a few websites out there that do it. But then I started to get into it. Then you gotta put all your information and I'm like, I can't do this right now. So I'm definitely gonna look into it. Yeah, I am so sick of buying clothes. I believe me, you know me, I'd rather just be in sweats. I mean I even have my Christmas pajamas on right now. Yeah, I have my um my ug slippers and like my workout pants. I still need to shower from my workout this morning. Like this is this is lovely, um and Dorine. At the moment, it looked like a brats doll, like a precheen with the braids in the front. Oh my god, that's so funny. Oh my gosh, she kind of did. But I love that Renna once again walks in with you know, a wig, and the like is that, like, you know, she didn't come with her own hair. She came with a wig again, not supporting your friend's business. First it was tequila and now it's the wigs. But I love that, Crystal. It has to break like Crystal, you know, that's a way, you know what we all know what Renna's hair looks like. Yeah, she's pointing out the obvious and then she's like, oh is that the extensions? Like oh my gosh. And then I have to say I really liked Sutton this episode, um her saying that she when her and Erica were making the joke back and forth about Sutton saying she was probably not going to come and then Sutton. Then Erica says, Sutton rose above my petty ass and she wants and then Sutton says, I want Erica to beat this and it succeed and I hope by showing up she was very sweet. I I love Sutton. I have a very soft spot in my heart for Sutton. Um. I thought it was really cute. Um. And then and in a not shocking turn of events, uh, Diana gets another celebrity FaceTime, this time from Elton John. And so my question to you is, who is the most famous uh FaceTime we've seen? Is it? It's gonna be Elton John right on a housewife show? I don't know, I can't remember. I mean, did they become more famous than Elton John? Was Lady Gaga on Beverly Hills one season? Or did they just do that? So they did a music video? And then um, we had um who was at the Atlanta cardiv I can't remember, but I mean I think that's just you know, Diana's reminding. Uh. And then Dered is Dreed is moving story along this episode. She starts saying, Dered says Kathy called her and pretty much admitted her behavior and isn't proud of it, and then it's more about Kyle than anyone else. And then everybody kind of agrees that they said Kathy is coming to this event. Even Erica says, well, I never heard she wasn't coming, and Garcella let me know she wasn't coming, So once again things are not clear with Kathy. Um. Then Renna says, did Kathy try to silence me? Is it veiled threats? You know, I don't do well with those, and she reads the text the no boy Now instead of no boy now. Um says that she took ownership and then went on Instagram Live and lied, Yeah, that was flashback. That was like, oh, I shouldn't have done that. Yeah, I mean, I think that's where this is getting tricky. And you can tell that it's turkey and confusing. It really is. You can tell the production is involved in this, and the problem is production was not involved in what actually happened. So now they're trying to pick up the pieces and it's the hardest thing ever for them to do on any show, is if stuff happens off camera and it becomes a big storyline. They're scrambling to try to make sense of it. So it's either like, you know, don't talk off camera, don't be together off camera, because then these things won't happen. But that's always how when you're staying in a house and I've read all these things that people thought that production was lying and that cameras are actually up all the time in the houses. Guys, they are not. This isn't Celebrity Big Brother like, but Ultimate Girls Trip. They are Ultimate Girls Trip there up twenty. That's why you saw those like late night things in the kitchen. Oh did you see October fourteen they are going to air the Ultimate Girls Trip for the one that I was on, Yeah, on Bravo. So so it was on Peacocks. So now you guys, if you didn't have Peacock and you didn't get to see it, you'll be able to see Ultimate Girls Trip too on on Bravo's I get to relive that one again. Well, you were great. I mean, you're very lovable. I know, I mean, but you know, as everybody says, I bought it, Uh, you are, but I mean, you know, goodness for you, and I'm having to recap you I'll probably be the same because Okay, no, I give you full permission to call me an asshole. I will. There's gonna there's gonna be a lot of moments. Oh no, they're happy to have you back. Um, and then Dared explains to the group, um, how it comes out that it was about Billy Jean and guys, for those of you all that trolled me, I hate to say it. You were right, but I've told you so, told just so Billy Jean. It's not we're not allowed. As Crystal would say, well, he knows that it's problematic to request Michael Jackson right now, but what is she a millennial? Okay, I didn't know that it was problematic. I mean, I know that there's been stories about what went down, but he um, I mean, it's kind it's just another one of those things like it's we don't know the backstory Michael Jackson. But just of course, Crystal Scotta just it's everything to just show that. I just I just want that more compass every single I just want to see Kathy dancing to Billy Jane. That's what I want to say, is that is that the Congo line Billy Jane it's not. But then uh, Diana goes on and says that she paid them off for two hundred dollars and that Kathy should know better that you gotta pay people off. And you know, I was like, this is this conversation is going down? How fast? But then SHERI says when she got to the hat shop, Kathy was shaking, she was so upset. And then girl and that she was at the hat hat shop that was about the teal and that's why she was shaking. Yes, remember she was so mad about the But then why why is that so shakable? Do you think? Ultimately? If I were to guess, and let's just remember anything, I say, here is my opinion. I don't think she's ever been forced to do one of those trips where she has to go and participate in all of the things. Housewife trips are brutal, Yeah they are. They are brutal. So and she wasn't even participating in them. But if you're actually full and you are non stop, and I think, yeah, no, I agree, But what what what do you think about the comment when Renna said that she thinks that Cathy is jealous of the Kardashians, Well, I mean, I think that's really true. I need to be jenerous about well. I mean, because Chris is as famous, is almost as famous as her daughters. Do you feel like maybe? But do you feel like Kathy that's her goal to be super famous? Well, do you come on a reality television show if you don't want to be famous? Well, she's kind of not really on a reality television show. She just doesn't even know where she's at. I think she's like, what we're filming? Who did you know that? You don't think that that's you think that's the all that around? No, see, I don't know. See, I don't know her. I met her one time at Craig's with Nikki and they came up and said high and that was That's my extent of knowing her. But on the show, you know, I'm just watching his viewer. I don't have any insight. She just I feel like she just doesn't know where she's at and how she got there. But obviously I don't know everything. I mean, I think that people show what they want to be seen on a show, But you know, you, I don't think that there's a person that goes on a reality television show that isn't craving fame or money. Yeah, I'm speaking from yeah actual experience of saying yes to something that my family was like, absolutely not, do not go on that show. Okay, So do you think that the problem is that Kim was Paris's friend and Kim got famous hanging out with her When Kim's sex sex tape was released? Do you think that has something to do with that? I don't think so. I think there's just so much I personally, if I were to guess, I think that Ris car jin Chris car Jenner, there's a good one. I'd like that Chris Jenner is just like the mecca of managers and money and every single one of her daughters has these huge businesses. And I don't know if she's necessarily jealous, but I think that's if it was coming from somebody other than Renna and it was said with different inflection, it would be considered shade. Yeah, but I think that we should call each other ted right now, Tedra, Hey, ted Ra, it's the Tedra show. Um. And then Dereed asks if it goes further than Kyle and you see Renna say, I can't speak any further than that. There was a barrage of I can't believe I have to be around them. This is my show. I will ruin Kyle's life. NBC is protecting me. Um. And then that's when they do the flashback of Crystal and she says, Um. They say, who do you believe? And they actually break it to hear production ask her and you know, we all know she saw the beginning of the breakdown happen at the club. She's like, I believe Kathy. I'm like, if you're Pinocchio, you chattered the camera, like like, it's fine, protect your friends, do whatever. But you know, not everybody can agree on these Housewives shows. If everybody agreed, then we wouldn't have a show. But I think there's a way to say to get if if if you're trying to prove your point and protect your person without one million percent calling somebody else a liar. I can't believe that they said, like actually said like Bravo and NBC. I think it's the only way they could get her. I think, yeah, it had to been because you know, you didn't really like breaking the fourth wall lot and talking about the network and that that to me was a little shocking. Yeah, I think that's I mean, that's what happens when things happen off camera, and I think ultimately the extent of what happened is why it's you know, we are where we are right now. But how do you feel about um Cathy's apology to Kyle? Do? Do you were you okay with that? Well? I think when Kathy comes into the house, I mean she's obviously coming, and you know she rips a flower off when she arrives that she's wearing the same piece shirt she woren't. I almost died and fell off my chair when she ripped the flower out of her flower pot. And then she's like, brought it, come in, I come in peace from the ponder rosa and cart rat. I'm like what that was that? That That was bizarre? Yeah, and then she left she did the same thing, Oh Kyle, I love these flowers. So yeah, I think it's it goes back and you could see her personality actually shift, like when you could tell like I don't necessarily have the ability to shift myself if I'm annoyed or if I'm upset, or if I'm gonna cry or I'm gonna yell. Yeah, it is what it is. I can't go back and forth that quickly. So I think that's where we see that she is aware of what she's doing. Um. But I thought it was hilarious though. I'm like, oh my god, this woman is so oblivious to what's going on. Oh look at these flowers, Kyle, They're beautiful. I could see her grabbing the whole plot taking it home. Yeah. I mean I thought the apology originally when it was to Kyle was I was happy with it. I was happy. Kind it came in and it's like a tornado. But even before it happened, I mean, you could see like she she's taking ownership for saying, you know, awful things, um, but then also still saying things that you know are gonna Probably would you say prior to the reunion filming, because I can imagine the reunions probably horrible on both of them, Kathy and Kyle. Did they come to a place where the they were okay in the relationship. I don't know, um, but I can't imagine because you know, during the reunion with a couple of weeks ago, they had to have brought up all that crop. And it's also after seeing this, and I do think it's hard. I can't imagine it being family because of course you want to protect your family and you want two, but you also you know that you know there are things being talked about, and I think it's only going to get worse as we see for the scenes for next week. Um, but you start to already see Kathy start to say things like, oh, I didn't like the jokes being made about me with my clothes or you know those kind of things. That was and that's why she was screaming and seeing red at the club up and Kathleen mostly sort of said what she said at the house has two glasses of wine and altitude, and I felt like those were excuses though, that's what I'm saying. So there's parts of the apology to Kyle that I really like, when and you can see Kyle's like breaking down, and when she says that mom would be proud of you and I'm proud of you, like Kyle needs to hear those things. I mean, what I think we forget is they don't both of their parents have passed. That's hard. It's hard and their family and they their family. You don't want to do this on National TV with your family I definitely wouldn't. And I think what she says is like, I mean, you we have to remember and flash back to like the tumultuous years that they've had in the past that we've we've seen play out on the press, and so I think every time you forgive somebody, whether it's your husband, your sister, your friend, whomever, it it just is another Like yeah, no, I agree, it's so it has to add up. But then Kyle tells her that Rena is on the way over and that's when she says, you know, Kathy, you've got to, you know, really take ownership because they're trained assassins. Um I don't. Honestly, I don't know how I completely feel about Rena's conversation with Kathy. I felt like she did more damaged in that situation than good. Like I said earlier, I know where she's coming from, but I felt like they just got to a place where you know, they were hugging, they were hugging it out, they were crying, and then she came in. It was just Pope, Pope, Pope poke and just made things. I mean, it made great TV, but you know, it's hard for me after how Renn has acted this entire season to look at Kathy and said, Kathy, you're not going to get away with us. Yeah, I mean that does that to me? Was like if it would have came from anybody else, anybody, it would mean because to eat or anybody, people would probably like, I mean, imagine if it came from Garcella or Sutton. Yeah, it wouldn't. It would have been different. It would have been different. Yeah. But I think what we have to remember going into this, and this isn't me having Renna's back, It's just me pointing it out. Renna didn't leave the club because she had it out for Kathy. She left the club because she wanted to protect Kathy from stranger seeing her having meltdown on her sister in the club. So the meltdown started in the club and the club that's when she was saying changing at Kyle and and other people. That's when Diana said she paid off the guy and Bobba. You know, all of that happened at the club. So Renna wasn't. Remember this is off camera, so we can say as much as you want, but Renna wasn't trying to create net a scene moment. In the moment of taking her out of the club. She's simply saying the same way she took Erica out when Eric was I and I get it, like I do see both sides. But unfortunately, when you've had so many bad moments all season long, it just falls flat, it doesn't It falls like, oh, you're just being mean again. I mean, because this part was still pretty good. Like Kathy apologized to Renna and says she's really sensitive because of her mom. Then Kathy says, I don't have a temper, and then Renna says, well, what would you call this? And Kathy says, losing my temper. And then this is where I feel like it gets a little tricky. Renna says, I think you may need help, and Kathy said, I think you can be very unkind too. And then Kathy says a friend of mine is has cancer and it starts crying, and Renna says, I understand the pain. And then you can just see them back and forth, and you see two highly emotional people that right now are keep bring their ship together, starting to trigger one another. And then they flash back to Renna getting you know, smashing the the glass on Kim and doing all that. So then people in their minds are going, well, yeah, Renna has done these things. But what we have to also keep in mind, yes, it's never okay to smash a glass. Renna was being provoked in that moment with Kim, I know, and that's the beauty of editing, the beauty of editing, right, But Kathy was not being provoked by the women. Nobody was coming after. Kathy says, it's just freaking messy, and I think that you're gonna have people split. Yeah, I mean, right, my pasty. Kathy kept it cool, and that's something that I'm trying to learn to do. And it's not in my nature. Like if I get mad, I blow up and I will scream, I will yell, and then your message doesn't come across well and then you just like the crazy asshole that is going after Betty when you actually have a good message. But if you do it like Cathy was very calm and very cool. She just like gave the look like like make it, make it stop, Kyle, Kyle um. But I mean, it was a hard scene to watch all in all. There's a lot of fan thoughts though, hold on, we missed a scene. We did, Yeah, but we can just go through quickly. A scene that wasn't hard to watch that I actually enjoyed watching was the scene UM between Sutton and Erica where they had Pope eyes and iced tea. Okay, I was dead that she had her fine china and she bought popeyes, which, by the way, looked amazing. It's so good. I've been wanting a biscuit ever since. Biscuits are my favorite favorite. UM. Then would they showed the season finale which there's a Birkin party, um, and then Renna starts telling Garcel and then this is where you see that this is start. Now you see Kyle has come to the place of protecting Kathy and her hurt, you know, like she's putting aside her hurt. In my opinion, I'm just by watching UM that Kyle is uncomfortable that the girls are talking about it. And then they say every details leaked to the press. And then Crystal says, what is the motive? Who leaks it? Who leaks it? So I don't know, we gotta stay tuned. Do you think they're going to tell us who's leaking it to the press. I don't know, but I do know that we saw Linnae at the pretty much party. Who Okay, that makes sense. I mean, I don't know if that's I'm just speculating when I saw her, because of course, yeah, but we saw we saw a girl, Lenaie like, we really get her a lot of shout out. Maybe we need to have her on the pod. Um. Fan thoughts are pretty much what we've already said. I feel like we've talked this all through. UM. Yeah, I mean there, I mean, it's pretty much it's what we've We've pretty much talked it through. UM. I think, well, some people that they have a split. Some people are saying that Cathy is very calculated, and then other people were, um, I was pleasantly surprised at Cathy's owning her ship. Yeah, and then there's the people saying, um, Kyle needs to stand up for Kathy when Lisa is treating her family that way. I think, yes, one million percent. You want to protect your family, but once you go onto a show, there's only so much you can protect someone when other people are involved. I was only so never want a best friend or a family member to come onto the show with me. I just wouldn't. It's just it would be too hard to navigate. Yeah, because you can't. It's impossible. You have you're not in charge of editing, you're not in charge of what each other says to other women. So there's only so much you can do. And you definitely call out people more than you would do in your everyday life. So if your sister cousin, our best friend was doing something you had to call him that, that would be hard. It could be a relationship killer. Yeah, and then you know, the next person says, does Kathy have that much power? And b H team Rena. I mean, I think ultimately, if I was going to have somebody mad at me, the easier person to have mad at you is Na than Kathy, because Kathy comes with more family that have Yeah, Cloud, but I mean, you know, a pretty powerful family. So yeah, I don't know, but that is that. Um, I feel like we should wrap for today and come back and we'll recap Salt Lake City tomorrow. Okay, let's do it all right, Bye guys, Bye,