This is Teddy Teapot Cabin. So I'm Teddy here and I am pretty excited to take you down my rabbit hole. And you know what, I know there are those people out there that get into bed every night. They think they're just going to have a casual little scroll through Instagram, and then all of a sudden, there you are two and a half hours later. You don't know what you've learned. You feel like you've lost a part of your life, but you've gained some real knowledge about useless information. And that's what I'm here to tell you about. We are going to go down so many rabbit holes. I'm going to bring an expert across the board. I'm going to bring in people to push me out of my judge zone, and hopefully we're gonna laugh make fun of ourselves. And you know, I love everybody over here. At my heart, Tiny is one of my girl girls. So I'm excited, and I'm sitting here today with Jillian, who is going to go down the rabbit hole with me. I am so excited for this because everybody goes down those rabbit holes, and it usually happens for me when I have somewhere to be and I'm getting ready, and then I'll stop and I'll get situated and like fixated with something on my phone. And you just find out so much info just on these crazy topics, and you're right, hours and hours wasted, but you have all that info and then you can speak on it, and you know occasionally people are interested, right, right, So we're gonna say to you all that trouble of doing all the research on your own. Correct, So what are we going to get into today. Do you think one has been all of this open marriage conversation. I feel like it's everywhere. It's everywhere. Okay, First we need to clarify some things. I had to have a little convo with my husband. If you tell me after the fact, it's cheating. Yes, I hate to be the bearer of bad news. It's cheating if I find out. No, And I was like, also, I don't understand the idea of getting married and then having this discussion. Yes, it needs to come way before, right at the beginning of the dating point. You're getting to that point where it's getting serious and you say, you know what, I am going to be a person that has to be with other people. But it doesn't mean anything to me, or we can set ground rules or whatever it is. Okay, then I would leave, but maybe some people won't and that's fine, but I would be one that couldn't take it. But at least then you're setting up the expectations from the beginning. In regards to Thomas middle Ditch what he said, it seemed almost to me like he pitched the idea to his wife when their marriage was struggling. Yeah, and they were already married, and it was the first time that they had discussed it, and it seems like he was into it, like this is something that he wanted but that he kind of like had to ask her about. But he kept saying, Oh, I don't know if I should share this, she might get mad. Oh she's gonna get mad. I hate to break it to your buddy, Like if you have to question yourself, is my wife gonna be mad? She's pissed. She's already pissed that she's agreed to an open marriage to be with you. I'm sorry, Like that is that is before you put the ring on it be like there's one little caveat. But I did also go deeper down into the rabbit hole because at first I was like, okay, so there's I thought everything was like swingers, but no, they're swingers, open marriage and then polyamory. I might be pronouncing it wrong because the rabbit hole sometimes they're not gonna actually get pronunciations. But swinging, I can almost like get on board with understanding because you're going in as a couple. You're gonna pick another couple you want. I mean, I even learned from my assistant that people in her neighborhood. Neighborhood had purple doors and that meant were swingers. Come on in and I was like, oh, she goes, And then the white rocks were like, come off, oh really what also a black wedding band that means you're ready. No, I know a lot of guys I go, I hear guy saying it so they can work out. They like that rubber band on. I know who you are. I've got your number. There's this rumor where I live that there is one certain restaurant on Saturday nights. When you go, you put your keys on the end of the table and that's the signal to everybody that's there that you're open to this party that happens that night. Across the street, at the hotel. So they go, somebody goes through, gets all the couples that are having their keys on the end of the table. Then you get the key to the hotel room and you walk in and you get a new partner for the night. What if what if you're not selected? What if I put my key and nobody wanted me. You'll have to make sure that I would be so wrapped up if I put key out and they just ignored me, that's a heartbreak. Like and how you're swinging, you always get the bad one in every couple. I don't know, I'm not interested. Oh just in this is huge gnomes at the front of your house. That also means you're ready. Oh hi, hey, Dr Goldcher's that you So I have a couple of questions. So I'm assuming you know all about the Thomas story middle dish. So my question is why do you think he wanted to reveal it to the public. That's a really interesting question. I have a two mindsets on that. I mean, one could be I mean sort of a greater good attempt to spark a conversation in a dialogue, perhaps any interest in like normalizing it, which is to do um also um. Maybe as a celebrity he could be out it in some other way, so kind of getting ahead of it might be better for his marriage and his relationships. That's an interesting I don't know, you know it exciting to be um in that kind of lifestyle takes a certain kind of personality, So I don't know if there's a there's an ego or narcissism involved that I was thinking a little bit he wanted to be like, I'm studley and I got my wife to agree to this. Do you think that couples are reaching to do it once they've hit trouble because to me, that's what I'm seeing a pattern of things aren't going well, so now we're going to try this. Yeah. I To me, it's it's one of two things. Either people come into a relationship with that mindset and with that way of moving through relationships, meaning faith, I have a kind of in a history of either being interested and probably enless relationships, or or reveal upfront at that's something that they want to explore and or I think it's hard to imagine that couples who are doing really well and feeling really stable and solid would be like, let's just add this seems like an extra fun edition. Yeah, as as another hobby or something. So I think you're I think you're absolutely right that that folks in trouble it explore this as a possibility of opening something up between them, And look, I mean, I think there's some scenarios where it can be revealing for couples. And I don't mean trouble free, but revealing in terms of what couples roadblocks are, what their vulnerabilities are, what gets in the way of them being more physically emotionally connected. I think it can be really revealing in that regard and help people in certain situations. Yeah, you have to fight or flight, You've got someone coming for you threat And psychologically speaking, do you think that it works? You know, it's it's hard to imagine that this in and of itself is going to make a relationship stronger or safer or feel more connected. So I mean, I think, like my my short answer is probably no. But I think in certain scenarios where couples are distant in different arenas of their life, that doing something like this is going to propel a lot of feelings into the relationship. I a conflict and and maybe it gets people to talk more, to explore, um, you know, the idea of losing one another, the idea of what masks they have on in their relationship that make them, you know, more or less available. And so in that sense, I've had a few instances where a couples have been able to use it as a springboard to reconnect, but not without a lot of trouble, both before and after. And and even Thomas Uh, this actor says that they argue about it all the time. I mean, that's and any any time I've seen that, I've seen the same thing. Because how because when it comes to open marriages, which is different than swinging, how are you making the rules? Like how does it stop? Are you saying is that happening one time? I have to approve the girl or I want to know nothing? I mean, I just think there's so many gray areas that it's impossible to ever just feel comfortable. And and that is absolutely one of the ubiquitous problems with folks I've worked with, and I'm sure with with this Thomas guy, that the rules are always fluid because you can't plan for all circumstances or all feelings that are going to emerge. You think you might feel one way about it, and then you feel another. Your partner promises that you won't feel jealous, that you're on board, and then the first time it happens, you feel jealous and like you want to back down. I mean, it's completely unpredictable because it's the reason why it's so visceral for all of us is all of us have that primitive feeling of like, God, that's so vulnerable, that's so uncomfortable, that makes me feel so um so triggered the idea of that, and no one can scape that. And I also, I'm curious. It almost feels like it could be one sided because a man may say, and you know, I hate to do this, but I'm doing it. But a man coulds like, you know, it doesn't sound too bad to me. I go out and I do what I want to do, and you know, I come home and tell my girl about it and we're cool with it. But really, is a man going to be cool with his girl doing the same thing, Like, don't worry. There was three others this week, but they don't me much. I'm so sure my husband would be like, go sit on the front porch and get an uber out of my life forever. I find that it is really rare that the that the power status within a relationship where this is occurring is equal. And I was thinking about it with with this actor, that of course is a good deal for him because he's an actor and I'm sure has access to a lot of scenarios where there are a lot of women who are interested in being with him, and we're all talking about him, and I mean, I went down the rabbit hole. She works on his show, so there's a whole power struggle there where you know, what is she going to say that's right? So that this feels I mean kind of inherently uneven and and I imagine that's probably the case, I'm guessing, but that for him, exactly what you're saying, Teddy, that like, what what's wrong with this and what what is wrong with this scenario for him? But for her, her access and her just vision in their lifestyle is different, and maybe she goes back into a corner that this is the way that she has to keep him. And I think he said that he decided to introduce this paradigm after they got married, Yea, that he said it saved my marriage and that you know. Here's the thing. Even if it did, and this is something you've decided it as a couple, I almost think it's like disrespectful to talk about it if you're not if your wife's not on board about talking about it. Just because you're comfortable sharing it doesn't mean that your wife, who you've negotiated after the fact with is gonna want you to share. And she doesn't have a platform to share it either. I I wish we could go down the rabbit hole with him and be like, how many times does it happen where you busted once first and then it happened like I need to know, Well, it really reveals Just in that interview, it revealed a lot about him from a psychological perspective, that he would get married with the notion that they were going to be a monogamous couple, and sort of immediately thereafter, it sounded like upon getting married and making the commitment, he had a revelation that he wanted to to have this as part of a marriage. She's already invested in her future and he obviously knew this going into the marriage. These aren't things that just totally shift. I get, like, keeping your relationship alive and that you have to work at your marriage. I've been married eight years is and like it's not always a piece of cape. People will tease me that sometimes I schedule sex, but you know what, this is life. Um, But I do think the idea of telling somebody after the fact kind of pigeonholds them, and I mean it led me to the point where I even started watching Why Women Kill because I was like, I need to understand all the different dynamics about this, and you can totally see the different personalities of some of the women types. Not that this is necessarily real life, but there's the ones that don't want anybody to know, and they will go to all lengths to hide it and to live in a marriage that's uncomfortable. Or the one which made sense to me where her husband was gay and she loved him and he was her best friend and once she knew, she was actually fine with it. That I could kind of, you know, I could understand versus somebody who's choosing to have relationships with somebody else other than me while they're with me and say they don't have other feelings. Well, and in that show, there's a threatle which the woman and the man are married, and then she is allowed to date other women. This is something they've agreed on. But then they bring a woman into their relationship and become a throutle and they all live together and they're both in love with the girl and not the one they're married to. It's like a whole situation, but you totally fall for it. And then of course the girls like super hot and you're like, gosh, she would be don't pick someone medium, pick a ten. But no, I don't have any emotional connection to her. She's just hot, cooks, cleans, does everything for me. It's fine, my wife that ignores me and puts me down. Love her. It's not going to get in the way. But I mean that's I mean, that's kind of where where I am. And I really appreciate you helping us kind of figure this out because I was like needing to know the psyche of it all. Okay, you guys, So I have um one more sign that you can tell somebody's a swinger, and it's if they leave a pie an apple on their front doorstep. That's also a sign. It's very weird, but it's a thing, just left it there, like I'm not looking for anything, but sometimes stuff spells out. Usually it's in a box though, right if it's coming from Amazon, then though to somebody just come up to the door and knock, and then I don't know. I feel like we need to call some swingers, which I know that we are almost um calling them soon, but before I have a really really funny story. So I'm I've been married for almost a year, but um, seven years ago, when I met my husband's parents for the very very first time. Um, you know, we're we parked outside his parents house and he's like, Danielle, before you meet my parents, I have something to tell you. I was like, okay, well what and he goes, my parents are swingers and he's like you needed to know that before you like have dinner with them. And I was like, you're lying and there's no way. And he's like, I swear, like, don't be awkward about it. You know, it's very normal telling you. Yeah. He's like, it's a very normal thing in our family, so just be cool about it. And I was like, oh my god, Okay, literally had dinner. It was never brought up. You get in the car on the way home, he's like, by the way, my parents are in swingers. I was like, screw you, you suck Like I kind of love him already. I need to go down his minute rabbit and Jill knows him. He's like, that is so funny. Anyways, I think we have the swingers on right. Hi guys, Jackie and John Y, Hi guys, are you ready to go down the rabbit hole with me? Absolutely? So? How long have you guys been married? Seven years? How long have you guys been swinging? Seven years? Oh? So when you first got together, was this and you started committed relationship? Did you guys say that this was something you're interested in doing or did you wait until after you got married? It was when we started, uh, when we reconnected because we've known each other since high school. So when we reconnected seven and a half years ago, Um, I owned swingers clubs and I had for many years, and so the topic of swinging came up right away. Okay, that's cool. And then so are is there truth to some of the things like if you have a purple door you're interested in swinging, or a pineapple or a gnome or a black wedding ring, or you put keys at the end of your table at certain restaurants that you're like, ready, this girl is so awkward. Absolutely. So the swingers that do that, yes, but there's people that are not swingers that do the same things, and so you might be careful if you're gonna approach someone with with their keys on the edge of the table at the restaurant. Oh so if you swing, that means you go with a couple and then you both switch, or can you go with anybody? So we were I mean us personally, we were swingers, you know, the lifestyle, but we're also in an open relationship. So Jackie and I played together and we also play separately, okay, and so now we have a lot more questions to ask because I was I was understanding swinging way more than I was understanding the open relationship. For the open relationship, do you guys have to tell each other if it's somebody else? Is there any mention or it's just no? We we we do, maybe not necessarily beforehand, but it's always it's always discussed because even our open relationship is still something we're doing together. Even when we play separately, you know, what happens during that time will be shared with each other and you know, it might lead to something hot between Jackie and I or you know, conversations. So we're definitely very open about our other relationships and honest about them. Do you ever get jealous? I have before, Yes, what happened And then, you know, when when we were very first together, you know, I had no frame of reference for swinging. I had only been involved in your traditional monogamous relationships. So to make that switch, you know, there was a learning curve for me. So there were there were sometimes early on where I found myself in the midst of some fears, and so we had to talk about this. I had to kind of walk myself through them. You know, today, looking back, it seems so foreign that I would have felt like that, that I understand the progression that needed to happen in order to get me to where I am today, to where our relationship just is very natural to me. Do you think at first it was the conversation came up mainly because you wanted to make sure that you could stay with John or was it more you were I've always kind of been open to the idea, but just nobody had brought it up before. I knew nothing about swingy, so It was never even in my use, never even a conversation I was having because of the way I was raised. So to reconnect with John and then have him say, well, I own swingers clubs, I didn't even know what that was. But I was. I was on the outskirts of a divorce, and so I was kind of ready, I think for something different. You know, I felt like, gosh, I don't know how to I don't know how to do these basic monogamous relationships. You know, I'm a failure. I'm outside of this marriage now, I'm divorced. I'm forty eight years old. There must be something wrong with me kind of mentality. And so to have John bring this up, I didn't immediately shut it down because one, I didn't know anything about it. Into there was some curiosity about it, like, well, maybe this is going to offer something different that I haven't tried before, and we'll see where it goes. And then how does it work at the clubs? And can anyone go you you mean as far as how the clubs operate? Yeah, like how well, one, how are they marketed? How do you know if you're going to a swingers club? Once you get there, how do you say you're ready, What if you don't like the person that wants to swing with you? I mean I want all the jee Well look, you know most swingers clubs in my clubs are clubs or private clubs. So you have to fill out a members application. Do you have to submit a photo of it? Not at our club. But there's some parties that they're more selective about who attends. UM, we don't care about that. I mean really, people from all walks of life, shapes and sizes attend our clubs. The um you know, the main thing is you're you're in a relationship and are curious about the lifestyle in some way. That's how you know, that's what it would take to become a member. And uh and then once you're there, you know, we we we talked to couples all the time about how to what you need to do before your first experience. So maybe set some boundaries for yourselves. Is a couple don't break them? You know, maybe the husband has a fear of his wife kissing another man, and so that might be, you know, a pretty simple boundary. Maybe they don't want to play with our couple, They're just gonna play in the in the in the vicinity of another couple. Not to be ignorant, but his play sex play Yes, Well, I don't know if it's like fooling around or play is like the real the full deal? Yeah, I mean that it can be for sure. I mean really playing could could could just be laying on a bed in an area where other people are laying on beds and you just are making out with your wife your husband. It doesn't necessarily mean you have to have sex. Does it happen in the clubs or you just meet the people in the clubs and then you do this other places. So there's two different types of clubs. Some are off premise where people go to the place and they have sex off the premise, you know, like maybe hotel parties or something like that. Um, but our clubs are on premise clubs, so people have sex at the club. Wow. What if you get all of a sudden you realize like, no, I don't want to do this, then that's it. Then you're just out want to do it, And maybe you have a signal with your partner to let them know that you're you know, a right. Maybe you just come out and say like this isn't for me, let's go have another drink. Well, you, guys, I can't thank you enough for being so open and vulnerable and sharing with us, because you know it, we really knew nothing going into this other than what we could find on the internet. We could keep talking to you, guys, yeah, we could, but we're like getting that, you know, We're like, we're like, oh no, we're running out of time. But thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Sure, we appreciate you talking to us and take the time to listen to our side of the stories. Don't you worry. I'll be checking out your blog open Love one on one dot com. Thanks guys. I mean, so, I know I don't know you that well, but would you ever do this? I don't think I could. I don't. I honestly don't think I could. I mean part of it I was like, Okay, this seems like they're they're healthy and understand And then part of me I was like that like broke my heart a little bit too, because I can imagine the highs and lows that you must have to feel all the time, and I think you're never actually feeling secure with your husband or wife like he seemed very secure like she seems. She was very vulnerable and honest and kind and like you know, straightforward. But he seemed very secure in what he was doing. But you could tell she's still, you know, figuring it out. And I you know, I appreciated her being able to share that way, but I think that's the way a lot of women are going to feel um. So that for me, I mean, it's like middle Ditch said, he said, I'm the gas, she's the brakes. Because she doesn't want to do it. That's the problem. And if your whole marriage is you don't want to do it, it's that's gonna wear on you more than just not having an open relationship I think and trying to keep things spicy other ways. I mean from that, it's being a spicy We got to talk about some of this toad sucking that's been going down. Why is everybody doing it? What do you mean? I love it? Just kidding, Jillian. Your skin is so good. I have a feeling you've already been down in some Beauty Choose on your own, Yes, I I do. I mean Beauty Choose has changed the game when it comes to skincare. They've created a gummy that contains a very unique ingredient that is scientifically proven to keep your skin looking youthful and healthy. Who doesn't want that, right, And we face so many toxins in our daily life, pollution, toxins in our food, caffeine, the sun, there's so many lack of sleep, just everyday stress. So when they build up over time, that's when we start to see our skin aging. 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That's your beauty Choose dot com and enter capital t E d d I at checkout. Okay, So, in regards to the toes sucking, I gotta start with, like the most obvious, have you ever sucked anyone's toes? I never had? And I have never had my toes sucked. I haven't either, And I actually asked my husband and I were talking about it because you know, I was going down the rabbit hole because of all of these people toe sucking, and I was like, baby, I have a question. Would you ever want me to suck your toes? And he was like no? And I go good, because I'd rather cut my own face off than suck your toes. And he goes, you think I'm dying to suck your toes and I'm like, well, they are so cute and look like snausages, but either way, I just I can't imagine being sexually aroused. But then I was like, I don't know, Maybe I am just my my eyes are too closed to the possibility of what could be so sexual about to sucking, right, and we've never tried it, so how do we know? I don't know, but I don't think we should try today. I mean, I have a lot of questions, but I mean, there are so many people to sucking. Julianne Huffs loves her toes being sucked. Yes, her husband Brooks He admitted that she loves it, but he doesn't make her suck his tones. That's a good husband at least, Like you know what, I'm not going to make you go there, I mean min min's feet. There's to me, there's nothing more disgusting than seeing a man in like flip flops or mandols, like, oh, I can't wait to get those bad boys in my mouth. No, lamar Odom was sucking toes, Babies are sucking their parents toes, sing it on Instagrams that I don't even need to get into on that rabbit hole, Like I had enough. Like I read his comments. I was like here for the comments and then I was done. But I do think that we need to get a toe expert on the line to really give give us the juice on like what it is and is it a control thing? You just want to be able to say, you know what, I can get them to suck my friend or do they really just love it? Okay, so there's a guy named the toe bro. Yes, who I think We're going to get a lot of these questions answered? All right toebro. We have a couple of questions. Our questions aren't necessarily surgery related, but they are about the cleanliness of toes. Like how dirty are toes? It depends on how clean the person is, but yes, toes could be pretty dirty, depending in the environment they're in. What's dirty or a tongue or a toe? Probably the tongue. Sorry, Edwin, we're never making out again. They're saying that hands are dirtier than feet, So, but tongues. That's in your mouth where I'm like brushing it. There's a lot of back. Well maybe your mouth is pretty good other people's mouth, thanks toe bros killing it? Um? So, how should one properly prepare to have their toe sucked? Definitely, some good soap and water and scrub that baby down and get all the toe jam out. No, what if somebody has athletes foot or something or planners wards, right, Can it transfer anywhere? Yes? It can? So that is a gross thing about about feet. So if that person had warts on his toe and you suck on that toe, you could definitely get some warts around the mouth. No, and what what would it be called around your mouth? Would it still be called planners words? No? So a planter's worts is just a wart, usually on the bottom of the foot, So it just be like a an oral warts. Not the same as general to warts, but would be another type of words that you know, kids or people get on their hands. I'm good with the oral warts um okay. And then oh and fungus for sure, so let fungal infection of the skin on the toe can definitely you can get it in your jockey that's why they call it jockey and that can spread to anywhere on the body, so that your toe stuff is what causes jocket. It's the same kind of fungus. Yep, that's disgusting. I have a son and now I'm all amped up about the thought of him getting athletes foot and jockey edge, okay, so he yeah, it's pretty pretty cools. You just gotta make sure he drives in between the toes. That's huge. Wait, so I have a question. Is there a scientific reason as to why people like getting their toe sucked? I don't know if you're I would say it, but I would say using the toebro mind is that there's a lot of nerve endings on the bottom of your foot, so I guess those being stimulated might make some people feel good. Do you think it's also a control thing that's not my He's like, listen, lady, I you know I do surgeries. Oh no, but me dealing with field day. When I saw that video, I was just shocked. I was so disgusted. There's been a lot of videos. It's hard to narrow them down. I've been down all of the rabbit hole holes of but oh it's yeah, it's could be pretty gross because I just think of all the feet I see every single day, and the average person's foot isn't the cleanest or this that doesn't smell the prettiest. So I just can't imagine just having a little baby suck on a toe. That was just shocking. What's the grossest thing you've ever seen on a foot or a toe? An infected wound. Those are probably the grossest things you could ever smell or see, you know what adding the smell and that was a low blow toe bro. Well, honestly, we couldn't have done this without you. Um now, we kind of we were definitely sold on the fact that we don't need to be sucking toes anytime soon. Bottom line, if we do wash our feet, wash your feet with soap and water and don't have any open wounds, I think I think we can basically and we could watch the toebro on Annie. Oh we can't. I cannot wait. We're going to learn even more about feet, but no to s just about feet. That's okay, fine, Hello, Hi is this Dr Stephanie. Yes, it is Hi. It's Teddy and Jillian. Well, hello there, Hi. So we're good. We're just you know, stuck on some things that we were hoping to get some questions answered from you. If you have a couple of minutes and we thought we'd call the sex Guru. Absolutely absolutely, I'm honored to be a part of your show. Well, thanks, so we're having We're just gonna dive right in. Let's do it. What is like what is a toe fetish? Okay? Well, a toe fetish is part of the foot fetish, which is actually very common. There's actually several degrees of a foot fetish. One is a true fetish that um, someone cannot get an erection or aroused or have an orgasm unless it involves the foot or the toe or any part of the foot that they have the fetish about. The other part is just a simple kink meaning, uh, they're turned on by toes or they're turned on by feet, but they don't necessarily have to have them to achieve the erection or achieve the orgasm. And then the there's also the worshiping aspect of the feet, which a lot of people are into, and of the toes, and it's common for you said worship okay, sorry, yeah that's my that's my Texas accent coming out. No, I just wanted to make sure like they worshiped the feet, like the feet are like queen or uh, well, if it's the female, she's her feet are being worshiped as if she's the goddess and yeah, and they stuck on her toes and it's sort of like, well it's sort of like a dominant submissive type of thing. Yes, I guess it could be considered control and vice versa. UM. You know, the female or the male that is um worshiping the feet of the male or sucking his toes, is wanting to show him he's the god, he's you know, his master, um, you know, sucking on his toes to bring him pleasure. And you know there's a lot of nerve endings in the feet too that a lot of people find very rotic. We actually just heard that what's more common for the person who gets their toe sucked to get off or the person that's doing the toe sucking. I think it if you're looking for the perfect world, you need two partners that are fully into it. Oh because a lot of well we read it's very one sided. It can be. But the problem because ideal that's my specializations is fetishes, and so I deal with a lot of individuals who have certain fetishes and I tell them straight out own your fetish, be proud of that, because that's what makes you unique, makes you unique and special. So therefore you have to be upfront and honest when you're seeking a partner so that you can get someone that's into that as well. There's someone out there for everyone. I received an email a couple of weeks ago from a guy, and he was very upfront and he said, the reason I'm contacting you is I would love to just massage your feet. And he said for a half hour, an hour, whatever you're comfortable with. I'll even pay you. This is a stranger, a complete stranger. But he was very very nice about it. But, like you said, very upfront and said that I just I have a fetish and I want to touch your feet. And I said, I didn't respond, but I mean there's websites dedicated He was wanting to worship your feet, you know, he wanted to worship you as a goddess. But it was a sexual arousal for him. So unless you're that was something you wanted to do, it's wise if you not to do it. Do you think it's possible that people could have a toe fetish and not even know it just because they've never given it a shot. Um, No, not a fetish. I'm not sure I have any fetishes. Maybe orders often occur early in childhood or ride around the time we start to get sexual, like you adolescents, or you know, it depends on if you're like Bloomer, early twenties. Uh, that's when you know you got it. It's not usually something that develops later in life. It makes you special, makes you unique. Great, neither of us are special. Maybe maybe I'll develop mine at forty. Okay, thank you so much, Dr Sefany. You provided us with so much good information and I feel like I'm leaving this well aware now to make some some big decisions. And I want to keep my feet clean at all times. You never know, you never now. On that. On that note, you have to remember that there are plenty of people out there that they're fetish is smelly feet. No, you know what, Dr Safy, ma'am. I'm sorry, Yes, ma'am. I'm I'm an expert on this. I've heard it all, trust me. Wow, you know what, I'd be happy? No, thank you, Well, I know what. I'm definitely don't have a fetish for smelly feet. Thank you. All right, thank you very much. Bye, And you can find out more about Dr Stephanie at Stephanie Hunter Jones dot com. Wells are you gonna come over? I feel like we need some like testosterone over here to really You've been making some comments over there, Yeah, like what is it called from this side the Peanut Gallery. The Peanut Gallery. I've been listening to this entire episode and I love it. It's gotten super weird, which I'm excited about. Um One, Danielle brought up the pineapple thing, which is fantastic because I live in Nashville for like twelve years and there is a community that lives outside of Nashville that the pineapple thing is a real thing. So we heard about this, and I know someone who like told us that they lived there, and they're like, oh, dude, did you hear about the pineapple? The pineapple means you're a sweaer, but you have to live in a certain part of town to qualify. Like I don't know, like just in Nashville. This was just like right outside of Nashville, um and like a lot of people live there. And so I knew someone who lived there and we used to just go put pineapples on his porn. Would people not? I don't know. I was just excited about putting the pineapple there. And I was like, he didn't follow, you didn't even go down the rabbit hole. I was just excited about that. I was just talking about like someone who runs out of them because of the pineapple that was where I left it. Well, I couldn't have left it there. I'd have to follow up. You know, if people came, people might have came, people might have I mean, you know a lot of you know, not that kind of show. Well as we keep it high high brow here, I've listened to this entire show. This is exactly what this show is. Sorry, I know, sorry, I'm also real quick. Is the show called Down the rabbit Hole? Now it's called Teddy te Pod. No change the name of the show. It needs to be called Teddy Goes Down the rabbit Hole because that's what you've talked about this entire time, about going down the rabbit hole. I know, Well, because there's but there's so many rabbit holes. I know, there's so many. There's a toe sucking rabbit hole. Okay, so are you into toe sucking? Yes or no? But I've sucked on a toe just currently. No, not currently, but I have sucked on a toe. I'm like, were you into it you're excited to suck on the toe or where you're not? I but it's different. It's different for women that I think it is for men. I really do. Someone said, yeah, they're because men's feet are disgusting. Absolutely, No, there's just actually don't even have socks on. I can't even imagine what's going on in No. No, I actually do have socks on, but I have like these socks on that are like even sex here, like ballet socks, which I'm just not impressed with it at all. Um. But it's different though, I think because for men, if you're making sweet sweet love, women's feet are up in the air no matter what you know. Yes, like I've had hands touching and kissing of the legs, but there's never been a necessity for the toes. There's a different necessity for anything that happens in the bedroom. Actually there is. I mean, I hate to break it to you, Well there's some necess there's like three things that need but sometimes you get weird with it, and for me it's like one. Um, but yeah, I did it one time, a couple of times. Okay, so one already went to a couple of times. So it's a pretty common Jillian. We are like not were like behind and when you were sucking this toe, this one toe, were you enjoying it? Because I feel like I don't know this the person doing the sucking enjoy it as well as a person who's getting sucked. I don't know. I just think I was like involved in whatever weirdness that was happening, was the toe being thrusted near your face, and like you were like, oh, this is something that's That's what I'm saying. Like, if the legs are up in the air, God, I hope my mom doesn't want this shop. And that's why I'm thinking this entire podcast, and like my poor family. I've done so much damage to my family. That doesn't matter at this point. But like if the legs are up in the air and then there's just like that's around you, does that make sense? I get the visual. I still don't get the necessity. There's no necessity for any of this stuff that we're doing. But it happens. It happened, It happened, It had a couple of times, happened a couple of times. It's not something that like I I stick with, but it's it's not your go to move, it's not my gut to my other thing that I wanted to talk about by listening to this whole thing, because it is very evident that it seems like you guys are like against the guy on the polyamorous um open relationship thing. But have you guys heard of and I don't know if IMNA say this right? Cuckolding? No? How did I miss this? So like cuckolding like a like a cuckold, which I don't think. It's like a thing. I need more information because I don't have my phone easily accessible to do you want me to do this on your show? Um? So like a cuckold, I think? And I could be totally wrong about this. This is different than the toe sucking thing. This is something I do not know about. But it's when a woman sleeps with another man in front of their boyfriend or husband and like shames him about it. Well, that's because the man wants it though he wants to be shamed. I watched all about this on what is the show Billions? I mean that's it's not that's not real life, I guess. But either way, he enjoyed being shamed by his wife. Okay, so like it's still a discussion that they've had, so he will go and whether they're going to a sex club or whatever it is. That's something that made him get off. So the man's she's still doing it for the man, I guess, but I don't know, Like the just the envisioning what that looks like, that can't be for the man. I think that like both parties are enjoying that. I don't really know. I don't really know. I haven't tried, but I think that, Okay, I'll agree with you. Maybe I was a little one sided on the situation. That being said, all of the experts we had come on, we're also with me. Yeah, I agree with you, But like there was just like I wish we had a call that was the well, don't you worry I have where's the Coco call? Yeah, you know, you don't have to shame me because I'm going out every rabbit hole. You know what. You only have so many hours in a night. I think technically the cuckhold is it's like holding CUCKOLDERI cuckold. There's all variations. It's a man who is aware of his wife's infidelities. It doesn't explicitly say he has to watch it, but that might be added. That sounds so gorgeous. I wanted to get let's just make up a new term and just start. This is what people do now it's called what I can't come up with the name. I'm not creative, so brilliant, Oh you well about cuck holding is the closeness of the cuck part to another word. Yeah, I didn't miss that talk holding. But that's why I thought that maybe Wells was right. But now you know, now we know he's just made up a term himself. But either way, So a man knows his wife's cheating on him and he's like into it, he's into it, gets off on the fact that other people are into his wife. Yeah. And then I also think that there's another wrinkle in it where please don't say wrinkle in this topic, like honestly, yeah it god alright, that he likes being talked down to in front of the other man. Yeah, that that's like some FFT up staff. Wait I thought this is what this podcast was. No, Jessica, No, this is good. I'm just saying, like, who I can't imagine being like talked down to me and have sex with somebody else in front of me. These two things make me feel great. So no matter what, the guy that's in the corner watching, he's into it. It's not like he's being held there again, that's the husband though, but he's into it, like he's okay with I don't know, but I know it's a thing. Okay, he has he this he hasn't experienced. I have not experienced that, but I know it's a I've heard about it. Like and like, I think that goes deep. I mean, I don't know. I have no degrees in anything, but like I feel like that has to go down just like deep down childhood shame or something that's like past, like somebody being a little bit narcissistic and wanting all the checks. Yeah, you're right, you want to be shamed. Ever, I'm messed up. Look at me. I spent hours on the internet researching nonsense. You didn't look in the what if dropped the ball? I was the thing. By the way, the episode is not allowed to be called wellsing. You know what, I'm trade market. You just can't. For those of you who don't know Wells. Wells was on The Bachelorette, he was on Bachelo in Paradise. He's the bartender in this past episode, over this past season and earlier before we started, I was sitting in this room and there was just Bachelor Nation just sprawled out across the room, and I was doing everything in my power to like be normal watching you guys all interact in real life. I'm such a fan of the franchise, and I was just so excited to see everybody in this room. Is it weird to see us interact with each other like in a normal setting A little bit? Yeah, Like, you guys are so normal totally, and we're all like very friend I think that's the one thing that people don't remember when they watched the show, is that everyone super friendly because we all experience some weird thing that not a lot of people can relate to, you know, um, like being broken down and ripped apart and have like nothing but therapy every single day about like weird relationships, makes this weird bond that happens and national talent while on national television and and well here's the thing that I think that everyone forgets. It happens and that's like really raw and really real, and then four months later it airs and then you have to relive it. And that's a tough thing for a lot of people to experience. And so when all of us come together, even people that like it's always funny to me, like when people are not friends in the show or like enemies or villains or whatever, and then you bring them together, they're still cool with one another because like no one can relate to what it was like living on that beach or whatever it was, or live being in Prague, you know, week seven of a show. Uh, it's just this, it's a weird thing that it's just glue that brings everyone together. So like for you to see us all together, Like, first of all, I love everybody because I'm the bartender, so like everyone has to like me. But yeah, life back. But yeah, but for the most part, like we're all super tight and the show can make us look like we're against one another, but that's not really the case for the most part. Yeah, I loved seeing that today and the show is what essentially brought you to find love, not necessarily on the show, but thanks to a tweet. I haven't even gone down this rabbit hole yet. Oh yeah, I need all the I need all the info. So um, what happened was that I was on the Bachelorette like years ago. Well that I know I'm on that that part you're on that part of the rabbit hole. I mean the other part of the you don't know is that um my fiance is a huge fan of the Bacherette and she like tweeted about me on the show and what did she say? So it was like a mental all and I made a couple of literary references, and I think she tweeted out like, well's the best he actually can read? You know, like who knew like bench where people could read or something like that. Uh. And then I think I responded to that publicly on Twitter. Yeah, I think, like jokingly. And then we started d m NG and then like things didn't pan out, and then I became the bartender and then she was excited about that and tweeted about that, and then I respond to that, and then we started talking again. And then fast forward to today we're engaged to be married and CONGRATU from a modern family. Yes, I love this. This is so good. I mean, I'm so old that back in my day, if I wanted to like meet somebody, I had to go to attempt to dance at a club and like someone come chat with me. Like sliding into d m S as a whole new well and Well has kind of started this trend now of these people from Bachelor, Bachelorette, dating celebrities. Yeah, Tyler c is Now I saw that. I don't know if this is true, but I saw that, like he couldn't be he chose Gi over the Bachelor or something like that, and I was like, you know what, I not a hard choice? Are you kidding me? Uh? Yeah? He mean like the joke is that I walked so Tyler and Mike could run, He says the joke. He's like, grinning with pride, starting to get red. Understand how excited I am about this because I did so much leg work to make this a thing. Hold on, Tyler? Who hold on? Not Mike, who was just here? Who's just here? It's dating been supposedly DEMI and him are like a thing. Did he say anything today? I mean, I'm not gonna say this on this podcast, but I'm excited about it. That's all that needs to be said. Your voice one up? So he is he said something about it, and then um, Nick Vile Yeah with the summer from the o C right, But I don't know if that. I don't know if that was true. And I'm friends with Nick, so he hasn't hasn't told me that, But well most nothing in the world would be for him to not tell me this so that you could find out and then talk about it on well, like who doesn't. Well you know what you've really you let a movement here, I feel I'm very proud of. I'm excited to see the couples to come. Yeah, we'll see for sure. Called this well, this is this is this is much better than you can stand by this this one, I'm proud of the other one not so much. Before you go, well, what did you think of Luke p from Hannah season? That guy scared me, Like I've never been legitimately scared from watching a show, but he was like on a different level and I could wish him the best of whatnot we love it? I mean I wish blesses hard bless that's the most southern thing in the world, but like the most like like sociopath narcissist guy ever. And he was so far on that show gas lighting you guys, we next week should we go down? So what is it is? So gas lighting would be like, Okay, let's say you're in a relationship and you're talking about, Hey, I would love if you could just you know, reciprocate more okay, I will do that. And then three weeks later they treat you like bleep and you're like, hey, remember we sort of discussed, uh, you reciprocating more. We never talked about that, or it would be I would have reciprocated more, but you didn't do blah blah blah blah. So it's actually your fault that I am the way that I am. Wait, hold on, you just overtook that whole thing. Are we doing narcissism or are we doing gaslightersky? Gas Lighting is an action. Being a narcissist is a state of gas Lighting is something narcissists do. Fair, fair, Okay, So maybe we'll talk in the vein of narcissism, gaslight, and sociopath what's sociopaths or killers? Narcissists are just boys. Gaslighting guys are literally every when you're gonna meet the bar tonight, that's where we are. The people that were just in this room. Well, on that note, I guess, uh, we gotta close up, We gotta we gotta close the whole tonight. Thanks for listening. Subscribe to any teapot on I Heart radio or wherever you listen to podcasts.