In part 2 with podcaster & writer Jonathan Hirsch (creator of podcasts like Dear Franklin Jones), Lola & Meagan discuss life in the cult of Franklin Jones, aka Adi Da. They discuss the dramatic meditation rituals in the group, what it felt like to get blessed by the leader, and how different members saw some of the same things that had happened completely differently, depending on whether they still believed in him later or not.

They discuss the lawsuits and allegations against Jones and how the cult panic of the time impacted the way his followers saw them, the importance of being able to admit when you’re wrong, and how ultimately Jonathan left.

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Dear Franklin Jones

The Mind Is Burning

 

In part 2 with podcaster &amp; writer Jonathan Hirsch (creator of podcasts like Dear Franklin Jones), Lola &amp; Meagan discuss life in the cult of Franklin Jones, aka Adi Da. They discuss the dramatic meditation rituals in the group, what it felt like to get blessed by the leader, and how different members saw some of the same things that had happened completely differently, depending on whether they still believed in him later or not. They discuss the lawsuits and allegations against Jones and how the cult panic of the time impacted the way his followers saw them, the importance of being able to admit when you&rsquo;re wrong, and how ultimately Jonathan left.
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<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dear-franklin-jones/id1348032695">Dear Franklin Jones</a>
<a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Mind-Is-Burning/Jonathan-Hirsch/9781797190464">The Mind Is Burning</a>
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Trust Me is a weekly interview podcast about cults, extreme belief, and the fine line between devotion and delusion—told through firsthand accounts from the people who lived it. Hosted by two women who’ve been in cults themselves, Lola Blanc and Meagan Elizabeth, the show features survivors from groups like Heaven’s Gate, the Manson Family, NXIVM, OneTaste and more–sharing personal stories of how they got in, how they got out, and everything in between.

Each week, they invite these guests alongside experts who can dive deep into seductive leaders, the darker aspects of organized religion, and the subtler shades of groupthink and the psychology of influence. Trust Me explores it all with unfiltered honesty, dark humor, and a lot of heart. This isn’t a sensationalized deep dive into cults—it’s a compassionate, first-person exploration of what it means to believe, to belong, and to break free. At the end of the day, wanting to believe in something bigger than yourself is one of the most human instincts there is.

Trust Me is a weekly interview podcast about cults, extreme belief, and the fine line between devotion and delusion&mdash;told through firsthand accounts from the people who lived it.&nbsp;Hosted by two women who&rsquo;ve been in cults themselves, Lola Blanc and Meagan Elizabeth, the show&nbsp;features survivors from groups like Heaven&rsquo;s Gate, the Manson Family, NXIVM, OneTaste and more&ndash;sharing personal stories of how they got in, how they got out, and everything in between.
Each week, they invite&nbsp;these guests&nbsp;alongside experts who can dive deep into seductive leaders, the darker aspects of organized religion, and the subtler shades of groupthink and the psychology of influence. Trust Me explores it all with unfiltered honesty, dark humor, and a lot of heart.&nbsp;This isn&rsquo;t a sensationalized deep dive into cults&mdash;it&rsquo;s a compassionate, first-person exploration of what it means to believe, to belong, and to break free.&nbsp;At the end of the day, wanting to believe in something bigger than yourself is one of the most human instincts there is.

Trust Me: Cults, Extreme Belief, and Manipulation

Jonathan Hirsch, Part 2 - Meditation, Getting Blessed, and Leaving Adidam

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Author Harrison Hill joins the girls to discuss his new book The Oracle’s Daughter, which follows the rise and fall of a small cult called the Aggressive Christianity Missions Training Corps. He explains what the religious landscape in America looked like at the time, with the spiritual awakening and unrest of the 60s transitioning into a new Christianity movement, and how this group’s leader Lila Carter (who later became Deborah Greene) began her spiritual journey on a commune called the Bear Tribe.

They discuss the beginnings of Lila’s own visions, moaning and grunting and giving birth to what she called “spiritual soldiers,” how her following grew, and the parallels between her and Shaker leader Ann Lee. Naturally, the group became more controlling and cruel over time, changing people’s names to words like “Despised,” using physical punishment on its members, and even kidnapping a baby. And finally, they touch on how Lila’s daughter Sarah, the subject of the book, found her own way through all of this, eventually leaving and sharing her story of survival.

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The Oracle’s Daugher: The Rise and Fall of an American Cult

The Cut - How Sarah Greene Escaped Her Mother's Cult

Author Harrison Hill joins the girls to discuss his new book&nbsp;The Oracle&rsquo;s Daughter, which follows the rise and fall of a small cult called the Aggressive Christianity Missions Training Corps. He explains what the religious landscape in America looked like at the time, with the spiritual awakening and unrest of the 60s transitioning into a new Christianity movement, and how this group&rsquo;s leader Lila Carter (who later became Deborah Greene) began her spiritual journey on a commune called the Bear Tribe. They discuss the beginnings of Lila&rsquo;s own visions, moaning and grunting and giving birth to what she called &ldquo;spiritual soldiers,&rdquo; how her following grew, and the parallels between her and Shaker leader Ann Lee. Naturally, the group became more controlling and cruel over time, changing people&rsquo;s names to words like &ldquo;Despised,&rdquo; using physical punishment on its members, and even kidnapping a baby. And finally, they touch on how Lila&rsquo;s daughter Sarah, the subject of the book, found her own way through all of this, eventually leaving and sharing her story of survival.
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<a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Oracles-Daughter/Harrison-Hill/9781668018873" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Oracles-Daughter/Harrison-Hill/9781668018873&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1775596055348000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2cjGKm-xhNCukUBR3T898K">The Oracle&rsquo;s Daugher: The Rise and Fall of an American Cult</a>
<a href="https://www.thecut.com/2021/06/sarah-green-escaped-mother-cult.html" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.thecut.com/2021/06/sarah-green-escaped-mother-cult.html&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1775596055348000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3ixq_cPJtxmvoKr8ZBqCpz">The Cut - How Sarah Greene Escaped Her Mother's Cult</a>

Harrison Hill - The Aggressive Christianity Missions Training Corps

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Celeste Gross joins the girls to talk about her experiences growing up in the Children of God - aka the Family - along with her many siblings. She explains how her parents joined when it still just seemed like a beautiful gospel movement that helped her dad get sober, but how it changed over time once they lived on a commune in Brazil and became reliant on donations for survival. She shares how every part of life was controlled–down to how many squares of toilet paper they were allowed to use.

They discuss the media ban the group imposed, and how only songs and TV shows made by the group were allowed--other than two very specific movies (which will surprise you). She shares how her family became homeless overnight after they finally left, and the extreme hardships they faced while trying to rebuild a life from nothing.

Celeste Gross joins the girls to talk about her experiences growing up in the Children of God - aka the Family - along with her many siblings. She explains how her parents joined when it still just seemed like a beautiful gospel movement that helped her dad get sober, but how it changed over time once they lived on a commune in Brazil and became reliant on donations for survival. She shares how every part of life was controlled&ndash;down to how many squares of toilet paper they were allowed to use. They discuss the media ban the group imposed, and how only songs and TV shows made by the group were allowed--other than two very specific movies (which will surprise you). She shares how her family became homeless overnight after they finally left, and the extreme hardships they faced while trying to rebuild a life from nothing.

Celeste Gross - Growing Up in the Children of God

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This week, Dan Olson, creator and host of YouTube channel Folding Ideas, returns to continue the conversation on cryptocurrency and NFTs. They discuss how these bubbles are driven primarily by charismatic leaders, why success rates of investment are similar to MLMs (read: the vast majority of investors don’t win big), and how there’s a lot of shame around having lost money in this arena–but why more men should come forward with their stories.

Dan explains why there’s no inherent difference between scam cryptocurrencies and so-called “real” cryptocurrencies, since all are rooted in speculation and faith, where the line is between greed and just being a victim of American prosperity gospel, and what to look out for to prevent yourself from getting scammed.

This week, Dan Olson, creator and host of YouTube channel Folding Ideas, returns to&nbsp;continue the conversation on cryptocurrency and NFTs. They discuss how these bubbles are driven primarily by charismatic leaders, why success rates of investment are similar to MLMs (read: the vast majority of investors don&rsquo;t win big), and how there&rsquo;s a lot of shame around having lost money in this arena&ndash;but why more men should come forward with their stories. Dan explains why there&rsquo;s no inherent difference between scam cryptocurrencies and so-called &ldquo;real&rdquo; cryptocurrencies, since all are rooted in speculation and faith, where the line is between greed and just being a victim of American prosperity gospel, and what to look out for to prevent yourself from getting scammed.

Dan Olson, Part 2 - Charismatic Leaders and the Cult of Crypto

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Jonathan Hirsch, Part 2 - Meditation, Getting Blessed, and Leaving Adidam

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