As the first woman to serve as Minister for Foreign Affairs, the Hon. Julie Bishop knows a thing or too about diplomacy. She was also the deputy leader of the Liberal Party at a time when it came under fire for a perceived ‘woman problem’. Bishop, who is now Australian National University chancellor, joins Helen McCabe to reflect on a career that was, at times, perhaps “too diplomatic”.

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