Session 330: RENAISSANCE Reflections

Published Oct 25, 2023, 7:00 AM

The Therapy for Black Girls Podcast is a weekly conversation with Dr. Joy Harden Bradford, a licensed Psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia, about all things mental health, personal development, and all the small decisions we can make to become the best possible versions of ourselves.

Last year, Beyonce blessed us with her album ‘RENAISSANCE,’ and this year, she opened us up to her glittery, futuristic world with the RENAISSANCE World Tour. From the the viral “everybody on mute” challenge, to the collective silver fashions, and the all-around joy cultivated, it’s fair to say that the RENAISSANCE World Tour was a whole cultural phenomenon.

To reflect on our respective RENAISSANCE World Tour experiences, I’m joined today by TBG team members Lex, Nyesha, Ellice, Jayna, & Cindy. In our conversation, we chit-chat about our favorite tour performances and moments, gush over the legend that is Blue Ivy Carter, and share our predictions for the newly announced RENAISSANCE Tour movie.

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    Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small decisions we can make to become the best possible versions of ourselves. I'm your host, doctor Joy hard and Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or to find a therapist in your area, visit our website at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com. While I hope you love listening to and learning from the podcast, it is not meant to be a substitute for a relationship with a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much for joining me for session three point thirty of the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast. We'll get right into our conversation after a word from our sponsors. The reviews for Sisterhood Heels are rolling in and I simply cannot stop smiling at the hot girl books on Instagram shared finish reading this warm hug of a book last night, and while it made me want to hug my sister friend so bad, Sisterhood Heels is a beautiful guide on how we as black women can use our community and friends to aid in our healing process. Thank you so much for the beautiful review. Have you grabbed your copy yet? Get one for yourself and a friend at Sisterhoodheels dot com. Last year, Beyonce blessed us with her album Renaissance, and this year she opened us up to her glittery futuristic world with the Renaissance World Tour. From the viral Everybody on Mute challenge to the collective silver fashions and the all around joy cultivated, it's fair to say that the Renaissance World Tour was a whole cultural phenomenon. To reflect on our respective Renaissance World Tour experiences, I'm joined today by tbgteam members lex Naisha, Elise, Jana, and Cindy. In our conversation, we chitchat about our favorite tour performances and moments, gush over the legend that is Blue Ivy Corder, and share our predictions for the newly announced Renaissance Tour movie. If something resonates with you while enjoying our conversation, please share with us on social media using the hashtag TBG in Session or join us over in the Sister Circle to talk more about the episode. You can join us at community dot therapy for Blackgirls dot com here's our conversation. I'm so excited to be joined by several of our team members to celebrate the culmination of the Renaissance Tour. So several of our Therapy for Black Girls team members are joining me today and I'd love for you to start by introducing yourself, what you do here on the team, and what city or cities did you see the Renaissance tour in. We'll start with you. Jana.

    Hi everyone, I'm Jana. I'm a Therapy for Black Girls University coordinator and I was able to go to the Houston Night one show.

    Hey everyone, I'm Naisha.

    I am the community assistant here with Therapy for Black Girls, and I went to Atlanta night two and in New Orleans.

    Hi.

    I'mlex, the virtual assistant, and I went to Chicago night one.

    Hey everyone, I released the podcast producer and I went to New Jersey Night two.

    Hi.

    I'm Cindy.

    I'm the director of marketing, and I went to LA Birthday show and Dallas the only night.

    Perfect and I went to Atlanta Night three. But I have also been on live streams for the Birthday show. I believe both of the Houston shows as well as the Kansas City five show. So shout out to all of the faithful fans who have streamed for us on Instagram and TikTok live so that we could be a part of the fun. So from the very beginning, I think when the tour was announced, there was all this whopla as there always is around buying tickets. So what was the process like for you buying tickets? Like, did you have a strategy with you and your friends? How was that process for y'all?

    This is Naisha.

    I'll start.

    So my best friend was on it. She said, he sent me the money and I'll be on it. And she said anybody else go, and I'm like, okay, these people better have their money. So she literally grouped the money together, she bought it, and you know, we just tell her that cash app So I think it would have been difficult if all of us were deciding.

    She said, just send me the money and.

    That's it, okay. And y'all knew that you were going to go to Atlanta.

    Three of us were in Atlanta. She flew from New York and we made a party out of it.

    Yeah.

    So, Naisha, mine was really similar to yours, where we had like a plan ahead of time, and I had a ticket buying friend and so she actually was not even to get tickets because you know, it was like a rollout of like different times where you could get them.

    So we started to panic, but shout out to one of her.

    Sorority sisters who was able to get us tickets, and I actually flew from Maryland to Chicago because I needed to see it with my people.

    I'll go next.

    Mine was a little bit stressful, so obviously I was trying to go to LA and then another show in Texas because I have two college friends in Texas, and so we were going to do Dallas there Houston. It ended up being that they chose Dallas for the LA show. Me and like four of my friends, we all signed up to like try and get the codes, and it ended up being that the Birthday show was added, and then I got the code on Super Bowl Sunday.

    I was literally in disbelief.

    I was just looking at my phone like wait, and then I was like wait, everybody please check and like make sure because I am not the ticket buying friend. It's a very overwhelming thing for me.

    So it's actually kind.

    Of while that I ended up being the ticket buying friend for two groups. So LA rolls around. I'm sitting there checking out. At noon, I had a walkthrough for my job and I was like, I need a ride to this walkthrough, so my friend drove me so that like at noon, I'd be able to like just be on my phone waiting to buy tickets.

    So that process bought the tickets.

    We end up in Club Renaissance, which was the goal, and then we have different tiered backup plans, but we were fortunate to get it, not resale and just outright purchase, so I was so grateful. But then as I was checking out for that one, I got the notification that my Dallas tickets were ready to be purchased, and I freaked out because I was hoping that at least two of us in the group would get tickets and try and coordinate near each other because they had the four ticket limit. But for whatever reason, in Dallas, you were able to buy more than the four because they did their tickets through like seat geek instead, so I was able to actually get all five tickets. I think it was the highest my credit card balance had ever.

    Been in one go.

    Like I literally was just swipe and prey like, please don't fly this. Thank you so much. So I'm gonna just shout out to MX for that because I literally was like, okay, panicked, and we had all decided on like how much we were trying to bend. So tried to make sure that was also accounted for when I was doing the Dallas tickets and the Club Renaissance ticket.

    Yeah, and Gena, what about you because you went in a different state than you live in, So how did you in your circle decide Houston?

    So I remember being in school and students freaking out about Beyonce, like in class figuring out how to get tickets. Me I was not stressed. I knew whether it is a will, there's a way, and I never went through the process of stressing out. So go whole summer, I'm saying it on TikTok. I see the girls enjoying themselves. I'm like, I go, I go. If I don't, I don't, I'll see it. And then my mom she was like, well, I booked a hotel room for Houston. I don't have tickets yet, but we're going to get tickets. And so same mindset, We're gonna get it, how we get it, and Eventually she walked into my room one night and she was like, we're going to Houston and this is where we're sitting. And so I just packed a bag and I went with my mom. So I didn't have a plan, I didn't stress, I didn't fret. I just picked an outfit with my mother and we made it to Houston. But my girlfriends, they were stressed figure out what.

    Days they're going to go.

    Oh, this girl can't go here, and I was just watching them like, okay, like I'm a pray for y'all and I hope it works out.

    And it did.

    But I never had to really strategize. I'm not that friend. I'm just gonna sit back and wait. And it worked out nice.

    Nice. See, that's the friend I wanted to be.

    The Universe literally said, girl, today is your day to be stressed out in sweating.

    So I never got a cold. Because initially there were only two Atlanta shows, I think, so I didn't get a code for either Friday or Saturday. And then when they added the Monday show. I feel like they added the Monday show maybe on Super Bowl Sunday or something like that, and then I was able to get tickets. So there was a little bit of stress after I didn't get a code, but once they added the Monday show, it was fine. What about you, Elise?

    Okay, I had a similar experience to Jana, where I was initially gonna go with my youngest sister in Atlanta and then I got kicked to the curb because I was too old to go with the college students.

    So I was like.

    Okay, I got a cee Beyonce, and so I wasn't really stressed. I was never stressed about getting tickets because resale is a thing and typically if you are strategic, you can get a good resale price. And so I honestly bought my ticket the day of my show, maybe like seven or eight hours before, and it was cheaper than the same tickets I saw like twenty four hours before. So yeah, I kind of just freeballed it after, you know, I got kicked to the curb.

    Wow. So I know that there was a lot of like strategy on TikTok with people talking about like waiting till the day of, but it sounds like you have a history of waiting until the last minute to get good deals, so you already knew it was gonna work out, got it, got it okay. So the tour has just wrapped up. But we got, of course the album in twenty twenty two, right, We got the album in twenty twenty two, so we had a you know, several months to caracolaid on the music before it was even time for the tour to roll out. So I'm curious to hear what were your favorites from the album before the tour and did that change for you after seeing any of the songs performed live.

    I can kick us off with this. So the album dropped and it was August of my senior year, and so I went to this party at Duke University and it was like a hippie kind of part, like a black hippie party, like really cool alternative and we were all dancing and then cuff It came on. It was like we were in another universe, like the song was new, we all knew the words, and it just we felt.

    Like falling in love.

    Like it was just it felt so good and I just remember like dancing with my hands in the air. But after the concert, I remember being in love with heated. Hearing the fans in real time it had me. I was like, you know what, this is a part of the choreo. This is a part of the production. So at first I was in love with cuff it because this made me feel like a party. But after seeing it in person and hearing everyone pull out their fan and have it in the air, amazing.

    I'm just getting excited because of the fans, Like, the fans really got me.

    So two things. So it was coughing for me, like that was a theme.

    Everybody was enjoying it. And then and I was like, let me listen to America has a problem. I was like, this is cool, this is cool. But then I was like, we're going back to cuft And then I realized that's enjoy your favorite song. When we did a TVG poll was a church girl. I like to look at the lyrics and like literally just look at the lyrics. And though I didn't grow up as a church girl, I was like, please, yes, this is needed, you know. So I really enjoyed it. But to answer your question, heated the mechanical fans and everyone pulled out their fans, and when she was doing her moves and her central just excitement. It's like this is amazing. So I can't wait to go practice in the Mira.

    I can say my favorites initially were Plastic off the sofa into Virgo's groove. I just love that. I think it's just so beautiful. But as Jana said, heated definitely grew on me during the tour, and I think I was actually scared about how America has a problems going to.

    Sound live, but I was pleasantly.

    Surprised it was really great.

    Yeah, So like Aliens Superstar was actually my initial favorite right off to that, along with Move and I.

    Still like really appreciated.

    Them like on tour and everything, but I think he did changed for me, and then I was one of the fortunate groups to get all up in your mind and so seeing that actually live performed, I literally was like, Okay, like I see the vision and I really like this. But I also feel like I just listened to the album like in full, over and over again all the time. So like it was hard for me to pick a favorite initially, So it's just been really great to find new ways to like love all the songs that I feel like I loved instantly.

    Okay, so I'm an outlier here because my favorite song I did love Alien Superstar from the very beginning, but my tried and true fave is Move, and I wanted to hear her do the entire song from start to finish. And I also am like Summer Renaissance Hive, like I love that song. At the end when people were leaving, I was like, y'all are disrespecting one of the best songs on the album topic and so if anything like seeing Beyonce in her all silver like up above everybody like it just was so great and made me love that song even more. Yeah, that's one of my faves.

    Ooh, I love that. Such differing opinions there, So I feel like Cozy and like you mentioned, Naisha, church Girl were my favorites before I got to the concert. I actually didn't really like America has a Problem before I went to the show, But then when I went to the show, I loved the performance of it, and I really loved that little b outfit that she had on for most of them most of America has a Problem, and so I think that really took it over the top for me. So Move I got into when I started seeing people do choreography on TikTok. So there was this one choreographer. I think in La and Kendall, who ended up becoming one of her background dancers, was in that video and really made me love that song. So move wasn't one of my initial favorites until I saw people dancing to it and Church Girl really just had me because of the trigger Man beat. That's a New Orleans beat, and so it felt like it was home for me for sure. So I know that there are probably many, But is there one moment in particular from one of the shows that you attended that has really stuck with you.

    I'm not sure if it's cliche. It can't be cliche.

    It's Beyonce, but just seeing her and Blue Ivy on stage as a mom, like I have the recording from when I was in Atlanta and I was like.

    My baby, but I wasn't talking about Blue.

    I was talking about just my own child because like them on stage and then in New Orleans, like she was crying, you know when Blue on stage, and just her smile, the way she's smiling, That's how I am. When I see my daughter accomplish anything, when she understands how to define a specific bird, I'm just like, yes, my child.

    I was really emotional, and I have pictures.

    I was really emotional seeing both them on stage, but of course the entire concert, but those specific moments.

    So my moment is actually not a Beyonce moment. So I moved away from Chicago so I got to see so many of my friends who were there at the show, and having that moment with my friends because my view at the concert actually ended up being obstructed and we didn't know that before we bought the tickets, so I didn't see as.

    Much as y'all probably saw.

    But really just being able to share that moment with my friends, and we were all so.

    Excited about our outfits.

    Like I was referring to it as adult prom because I can't remember the last time we would have been so excited to get dressed.

    I wore this.

    Chain metal bra with pasties and it was like, girl, who is this? I guess this is what I would wear to my adult Beyonce prom. And so just the joy of it and sharing it with my friends like that. I can still remember it viscerally. It was such a great time.

    I'm gonna have to say I thought it was very clever how she opened the show. She said, let's get these ballads out the way, and I loved it that. I loved it. I think I needed like a moment of calm. I thought it was beautiful. Just the arrangement of all the ballads were really great. And so I'm always in awe of Beyonce as a producer and how she puts things together and how she thinks about things visually and the experience for everyone. So I love that, even the on screen graphics and visuals. I think that was probably one of my favorite parts of the show, especially while she wasn't on stage. I think you had something to look at. I never felt bored. And then hearing everyone singing cuff It, it just brought me so much joy, Like that was the song where everyone knew the lyrics. People were screaming at the top of their lungs. I was on the floor, People's chairs were getting knocked over. I was like, this is so much fun. It felt like I was at Beyonce's rave, and so I really did enjoy that, And it just came at the perfect moment into the show, like you knew it was coming, and that anticipation was like I'm ready to hear cuff It. So I think those three stood.

    Out to me.

    I'll say for me, not any particular mute part of the concert, but seeing creators on TikTok mashed them all together in the different cities, that was priceless for me. I love seeing Beyonce's reaction. Sometimes it was enthusiastic and sometimes it was like y'all could have done better. So seeing the difference between each city, I love that part.

    I think I have a few different moments, like I feel like in La the sequence from Heated to Thick to all Up in your Mind stood out for me, and Partition I just I love that song so like it was just beautiful to see.

    It on stage.

    And then for Dallas, I think I was just a lot more emotional. So like the things that stood out for me, it's her performance of Flaws and all I started crying, her performance with Church Girl, the costumes were like incredible, and then also again started crying. And then I think I also cried during Break My Soul. Because my view and Dallas was a little further away. I think I was able to see more of the bigger picture stage, and I think that also altered it for me because I was hearing new things in the pit you're kind of like surrounded in there, like so many different places that you can look, and you're mostly like in the moment and dancing and like in the energy of the people around you, which I also loved. But it does change the way you experience it because that Summer Renaissance moment from there was crazy because I literally.

    Am convinced that she made eye contact with me because.

    She was looking down and I was looking her dead in the eye. So like, I think it just ended my experience on such a high. But yeah, anyway, those are the moments that stood out, like La versus Dallas for me.

    It feels really hard for me to pick a moment, and because I have watched it so many times online, I feel like I have trouble remembering like what I actually saw at my show versus what I've seen on TikTok. So I also want you all to weigh in on whether you like, did not see anything before and kind of went in fresh or you know where you like, Well, I didn't watch very much before my show, but afterwards I've just been watching a ton. But I think the collective sense of joy that the whole experience right the album to like getting the tickets to the tour, all of it. The joy it has brought Black women has just been like unimaginable to me, Like all the conversations about what are we wearing and people getting on TikTok letting us vote on their outfits. It just feels like it has been such a communal kind of experience at a time where I think a lot of people have felt very low right coming off of whatever stage we are in the pandemic, it just felt like it was such a joyful experience. And even in her opening speech at the Atlanta show, and I think at several of the shows, she's talked about tonight being about joy, not about being perfection, which I think is atypical for Beyonce because she is, I think a bit of a perfectionist. But I think she really just threw herself into the joy of this, and like you could see how much fun she was having on stage, which I think translated to us in the audience and as we're watching clips. So I don't know that there was any particular moment, but I think that the collective joy it has sparked has definitely been my favorite moment of this whole experience. So did you go into your show with no preconceived notions, had you stayed off of social and not wanted to watch clips, or how did you go into your shows?

    I like watched nothing like I saw things obviously, but the way I would scroll right on past. I think the only thing I had watched was blues performances, just because I feel like I just can't get over the fact that she's like eleven years old in doing this, because I think about myself at eleven, and there's no way that you would have me standing on any stage even if I had the talent to do it.

    I'm not doing it.

    And so I think that's another collective experience that like, really honestly touches my heart every single time. Is that the way that we all rally around this young woman as she is coming of age in our space, And I think it's honestly feels like an honor that Beyonce is trusting us with that by like having her daughter perform on stage and opening her up potentially to the same types of caism that she experiences. But even in LA, the chance for Blue were insane. You know, the Ivy League is real. So I think it's just such a magical moment.

    I did not want to see any tour footage. I had to know about the mute thing, so like I was like, oh, what is this? Definitely caught up on look around everybody on mute. But I didn't really watch clips from the concert other than if my friends went. But I was tuned into every outfit. I needed to see it in motion, every outfit. I am praying that she releases a coffee table.

    Book of every look. I'm in awe.

    But I think that was the part of the concert I was tuned into from the first show. And then I did see a TikTok at someone I think it was a week before the Jersey show, someone pointing out what she did in Europe that she has not done in the States. And I watched that because I'm like, well, that's not gonna be a spoiler. So yeah, I'm curious what it was. What did she do in Europe that she didn't do in the States. I think there was a different melody into Heated, like Heated was different, and some of just like the arrangements were different in general. And then I think in Europe she performed a few songs that weren't on renaissance that were different from the non renaissance song she did.

    In the States.

    Okay, okay, got it.

    So I did not want to see anything, although of course they had popping up on the feed most popular with Blue Ivy and then seeing her growth that just continued to bring so much joy.

    But of just the.

    Mute challenge, and now that I look back outside of the States, they didn't know what they were doing. I'm sorry, y'all. You know we held it down, but it was also new. But it was just a ryfinic experience, some type of person. I like to figure out things on my own. People can give me all the negative reviews. Who's gonna try it out? And that there's pros and cons to that obviously, so people were like, Beyoncea's not dancing that much. My friend was like, she broke her ankle. It was like, what are y'all talking about? So when we got there, my best friend I.

    Was like, Jana, she's dancing. I told you she's dancing. She's dancing.

    I'm like, this is why you can't listen to people. In addition to that, I remember some I was like, big Freda's going to be in New Orleans, and I was like, yeah, whatever, let's see. You can't listen to people just enjoying your explusit me personally look forward to the experience for yourself.

    What about you, Lex, Had you stayed off of the videos?

    I tried, but I'm chronically online, so there was no way that I wasn't gonna see anything. So I did my best. If I saw TikTok to just like swipe really fast and like I would hit. Not interested for the accounts that are reposting lots and lots of stuff, but I had a feeling that I would see most of it before I got there, which ended up being good because my view was obstructed.

    For me, I watched everything I saw.

    I didn't really care to scroll through and like, oh, I can't see it. No, I'm gonna watch it because I still know I'm going to experience in a real time after I had confirmed that I was going to experience it, so before I didn't know if I was going. Of course, I'm I'll watch the clips I see because I don't think I'm gonna go. So I was enjoying seeing Blue, I was enjoying seeing her throw up the rock. I was enjoying the commentary about Honey breaking their ankle. I was enjoying every part of it. But I definitely did not shy away from watching a TikTok or an Instagram clip. But I still felt like I had my own authentic experience, whether I watched it or I didn't.

    Mm hmm, I agree with you. Like you, Lex, I'm chronically online, and so I probably had seen most of the tour. I had not seen a live stream of it before my show, but I definitely had seen all the clips that people had posted because it felt like it was everywhere right, and probably because I was telling the algorithm that I was interested, so it just kept giving me more. But it felt very hard to kind of scroll away without watching it, especially all of the blue stuff more from our conversation after the break, So because we have talked about blue, it seems like several times I definitely want to dig into it. So I was also someone who cried every time I saw videos posted of blue coming up out of the ground, even though I knew it was happening and I had already seen it twenty five times before. And I think, like you, Nisha, seeing your child walk out and do this thing and become their own person. But I also think for me it symbolized this excitement in this village, like you talked about Cindy, that I wish all little black girls had. Right there's cheering them on and we're all these virtual aunties creating a safe space for them to like become themselves and like just grow into their own person. So I definitely felt very mood. I'm also a huge member of the Ivy League now as well as the behive. But did anything else come up for any of you related to Blue Ivy, because I know that there were a couple of shows that she did not perform at in the States, though I don't think it was very many. Did everybody see Blue Ivy at their show?

    It rained, so Beyonce came out, I don't want to say super late. What was it supposed to start at seven, which we knew that's not what was going to happen. But I don't think she came out until almost ten because it had been raining. So I kind of assumed Blue was not coming out, and I was okay with that again because I'd.

    Seen a lot online.

    And then she came out for Chicago Night two, so it was just the tiniest bit salty. But I also have felt like a lot of pride and gratitude that we've gotten to watch her get progressively better.

    And I felt very protective early on.

    When people are like, she's not a dancer, where I wanted to be like, girl, you're not a dancer.

    She is a child, and she's just getting started. Like everybody came down.

    So it was so nice seeing her get more and more comfortable and do her little people like, yeah, I loved seeing every clip of Blue.

    Every clip that I saw.

    Of course, with her just coming out the grounds you mentioned that, Joe, It's just joyous. But just seeing like the smile on Beyonce's face, that's my main takeaway is like yes, mom, yes you didn't.

    And this is her first child.

    We experienced Beyonce giving us the REVEEO on the mcv wast the VMA's eleven years ago, so it's like, oh my goodness, just seeing all this together is just joyous. But then also just seeing how she's growing, like even her facial features in my mind like yep, that's jay Z and Beyonce put together, like just like the you know, the close ups, and then seeing her with her sparkle of makeup, seeing her by her blue nails, throwing off the rock. Of course she had on a New York shirt. It's just amazing. I'm so happy for her. And I was talking to my best friend. I was like, do you think she's gonna keep her away from the entertainment industry? And she's like, maybe she's just gonna allow her to make that decision. But Beyonce knows because she experienced it. I was like, yeah, So just like being a mom in general.

    I know, for me, I was so proud to see my little cousin.

    She did amazing.

    I was eleven when she was born, so to see like her progress, I consider her my little cousin.

    To some she's niece.

    Blue, she's my cousin, and my thoughts, oh so she's my cousin. But now you your point. Seeing how proud Beyonce was to see her child perform and with my mom, it was just like, oh, that's a mom and daughter thing, and it's just so cute to see that in real time and like see their bond in real life and not just through documentary or through her revealing her pregnancy like I saw it in real time, in real life. So it was just great to see. I'm just so proud of Blue and to your point, likes the people having so many comments about that baby, like let her be a baby. I just never understand that. And it's always been that kind of conversation with her, and so just her being able to take ownership of who she is and perform how she wants to and enjoy her time. She reclaimed it and I love that for her eleven year old self, and I'm just so proud of her.

    Related to what Jana said, I thought it was funny, like in a good way, the way people talked about bou Ivy online, like she was crying at the last show and people were like, I would cry too if I had to go back to school, and I was like, I know, she had the time of her life on the tour, and so it was good to see people really supporting her. And of course sometimes it was joking, but like we get all the jokes about Blue being the manager. Blue doesn't play whenever there were dancers Swiss there or like Blue saw them slip up, And I just love that we're giving her her props because the talent's there. She's really a great dancer, so I don't know what people have to say. And I saw another TikTok that was night one. I think that was in Sweden, maybe Reevereren night one was. And then to the final night or like some of the last shows, and just seeing how much he's improved, that's really beautiful. And I hope she gets to look at that and really see like.

    I killed it. I killed it.

    I'm curious to know, and we don't know anything about these people, but I love having these arguments in my head. How do you think this came about? Do you think Blue said Mama, I want to be on tour and like work me into it, or do you think it was Beyonce's ideas to kind of incorporate Blue into the tour.

    I was gonna say that I feel like it was Blue's idea because I think she was probably always like around, because you see in like the documentary she's around all the time. I feel like she just started dancing with some of the dancers or pulling around and then it's like, oh, like maybe I want to try the routine or lead a routine. And I think it was incremental thing because I'm sure Beyonce has been working on this tour for a very very long time, and so like Blue's been there for all of it, because I can't really see like Beyonce knowing all that she's been through, being like, you need to get on stage with me for this song and like, I think the song was chosen intentionally, of course, but she doesn't give stage.

    Mom like that.

    I'm sure some of the performance days that she didn't do was because she's literally like, I don't feel like doing it today, and she's like okay, and then just moved on, like and like, That's why I feel like it was Blue's idea. And I think that's also sometimes the very real sense of pride that you see in her when she makes her mark or like improves it a certain way. And the two dance answers that flank her for the routine at all times, I think she also feels so supported by them. Those are good people that have probably been working on her like little tweaks and stuff, and I think it's honestly, it feels like such an intimate moment that we've actually been able to like witness in real time. But I do think that Blue got to choose to do this.

    Yeah, I think it probably was Blue's idea and to your point at least, like, you know, we joke about her being a manager and like she's running the show. But I feel like in some way some of that is true, you know, as much as a childhood. And I feel like I also remember reading something about when the costume designers like work with Beyonce, like they always have like an outfit for Blue in case she wants to do something right. And she was in the video for My Power, right, So that is from the Blackest King album, and so I think you're right, like it was an incremental like, Okay, she was in the video. She's kind of dabbling around because it's kind of like take your kids to work day, right, and her mom is just Beyonce, and so she's playing around singing on brown Skin Girl.

    Oh you know.

    So it does feel like she has been able to play in different things that were age appropriate, and it feels like this was kind of like an opportunity like a summer tour to kind of, you know, have your summer internship dancing with your mom on her world tour.

    So, doctor Joy, I understand you.

    One summer internship we were joking like everyone's back to school essays, Blue is going to have the best one. But I guess I was thinking more about a business perspective. If she marks her name on this right now, the history is set, like I would saying when you mentioned brown skinned girl, She's.

    A part of the credits.

    Those royalties are for life and now I'm waiting for Roumi and sir and going from there. So that's mean because I'm like, dance, she like, give a little hint, Blue, you could do this, and then of course not forcing her, like Blue, would you like to? And then she's like, of course, now I'm already knew.

    Yeah, Now definitely she is very business savvy, right because clearly Blue is credited on the tour as a dancer. I mean, so we playing around, but she's still gonna get like her me and Oscar and all the things.

    Also just want to like give a cute little astrology plug because Blue is a Capricorn.

    Of course, and so but that's also.

    Why I mean, like she got to choose in that way, like if she's interested in coming to work with you, because I feel like I was that kid who liked to go to work with my mom. And see what she was doing and like play around and all that. My brother is not He's like, no, I don't want to go. I don't want to come.

    Leave me at home. I want to be like in leisure. It's panned out to.

    Who we also are in our adult lives a little bit.

    We love it. We love a cute astrology moment there, Cindy. So at least we're gonna start this question with you because I feel like you are a resident fashionista. So we saw over one hundred different looks from the tour across Europe and across the US. If you had to pick, I'm not gonna limit us to one. If you had to pick your top three favorite looks from the tour, what would be your top three?

    Ooh, this is really hard. So my number one is the custom tel Far look. She did that one recently. I absolutely loved that one. I was waiting to see that shout out to she don't know her getting that together because I was like waiting for tel Far. I knew it was coming, So that was probably my favorite. Then I'm gonna go to the Mark Jacobs. She got a custom Mark Jacob's look remade. I'm trying to remember which city it was in, but she had on was it red dress in the black head piece or a black head piece and a red I forgot which order it was, but it was a recreation of a Mark Jacob's look, but it was made by Mark Jacobs. And then this is gonna be a little bit broad. But overall, I actually don't think she missed with any of the be outfits. But my favorite one was the very large hat. I think it had antlers on it. I think that was my favorite. But I'm gonna say like I was very happy to see the tel Far outfit. I was actually looking for more at leisure throughout the entire tour because I thought just with some of the Chicago and House references, we would get that streetwear look. So I will say any look where she did streetwear was also really good too.

    Okay, at least you have said the boy really high, because I do not know.

    I know.

    It's honest, no.

    But like I also knew that like Elisa was probably going to come prepare it a little bit, so I did write down a few but because like I honestly, since this tour rolled out, I need a coffee table book immediately and like, especially because I think there's not a dying art, but like there isn't as much appreciation I feel like for costuming and Patoure in this way and the craftsmanship and so like, I think this also reinvigorated that because it's Beyonce and it's on such a large stage, and the fact that for every city she was being intentional about the looks that she was giving for each performance. Even if she used a look again, she was always changing something, and so I feel like my favorite there was the multi colored Pucci from Dallas, like the church Girl outfit, that heat reactivity that was so dope to me. I just also loved the structure, like I really like structured pieces. And then the b costume or actually.

    No it's not the Pouci, it was the riage.

    It's like a Japanese designer at least help me out. I don't know, but I did like the Puci multi colored outfit that she did for I think night two of LA's show. That one that a lot of people didn't like, but I just loved how powerful the patterns were clashing together. And then I just always loved the flame outfit. The Kavali flame outfit is just a fame for mine because I think I love flames.

    So I don't know if I'll be able to pick three, and they're all probably going to be a little basic, but I love the beaf and then that beautiful gown she was wearing when she's sitting on the piano and she sings like turn a fan that outfit.

    I thought that color looked so good on her.

    But I really am also just obsessed with that final all silver Summer Renaissance look where she's up above, like, I just think she looks so ethereally on perfect. So that's probably my three.

    Okay, what about you, Jana?

    Okay, similar to Lex put me on the spot with three outfits, but if I had to pick very broad descriptions, but she wore this pink gown, like very baby pink gown, and so I like just how I mean, pink was definitely the color this year, but I loved how light it was and just how very like she looked. But I also was super jealous that Houston Night one did not get a red heated outfit. I was really disappointed with that, but it looked so good on her, and I really liked her opening dress. The polka dot. I've heard a lot of comments that people didn't like it. I personally loved it. It gave Southern bell, it gave textan bell, so for me, it was on theme with Houston and she just looked like she's from the South. I loved it. But those would be my three if I had to choose.

    Okay, all right, good choices. What about your nation?

    So I don't know the brand name, so shout out to everyone who does you know the brand names? So there were three heated costumes, and my favorite was the gold the red pot. But the gold, yes, yes, yes, the silver was okay, well, of course we still love It's Beyonce. And then I love just seeing tel far on stage, like are you kidding me? Hellone them burkins are in storage, okay, Like I'm.

    So happy, I'm so happy for them.

    And then when I was in New Orleans, it was pink Ivy Park glitter, and I'm like, who didn't even buy that when it was available?

    I don't know.

    It's just so good and all the dances look so good, So for sure, the pink glitter Ivy Park, I was really loving it.

    Was like slits on the side, loved it.

    I love that. I love that, So the colorful poochie definitely was my favorite. I loved that. I think she premiered that in for her birthday show and then she did it I think both of the Houston Knights. That was my favorite. I feel like I'm going to try to find something like that for Halloween and be a background dancer. That'll be my costume this year. But if I feel like that's such an eccentric pattern, where am I gonna find that from? But somebody will be able to put it together. So that was definitely my favorite. My second favorite was like a chartruse yellow greenish gown that she wore one of the Knights. And then I think my third favorite would have to be the pink glitter as well. So she did it in New Orleans, but I feel like we had seen it early in the tour also because that was one of the outfits she was wearing when there was one of the wardrobe malfunctions when the Twins had to help her. I remember she was wearing that hot pink. So the hot pink definitely was my third favorite. But I also loved seeing telfor and I was very surprised so at least. I love hearing you say like you knew it was coming, but I was definitely very surprised. And of course then Telfour headed up on the website, so beautiful branding, beautiful way to capitalize on their moment. I was very excited to see them there. So why do you think silver was the choice that she encouraged us to wear? Like, I'm really curious to see. Is it something about the silver that's gonna like just look very beautiful in the film, Like did it capture well? Because I don't know that I necessarily well, I guess of course the branding from the album was silver, but I'm wonder why silver is what she went to when she thought about like a renaissance. Any thoughts there?

    So I remember when she put out the CTA like, this is what we're doing, not even CTA though, this is what we're doing, and she said, we want to be a big old disco ball, We're going to take it back, we want to be happy, and it's going to be his house music and his joy. And I was like, Okay, Beyonce, I feel you. At first, I was like, is this gonna work? But when everybody came together, it was just a sea of silver. It's like I never want a full silver outfit. I even dye my hair it was supposed to be silver, but I can come out that way. But it's like what and I'm like in my mind, I was like, look.

    How powerful Beyonce is.

    She literally told us, hey, color, She could have told us to wear meon purple and everybody want to work like oh when she put it out originally she said, let's just be a sea of happiness.

    And I felt it.

    In terms of the silver, like I'm typically not a silver girly, but it made sense for the album just between the disco ball aliens are usually portrayed as silver. Chrome as a metal is so futuristic, and I also feel this album also kind of lives in that afrofuturism place where it's thinking about this in an optimistic way, like our futures can be filled with joy and are filled with joy and kind of like transforming that pain and so like, I feel like when you think of futuristic things, it's very silver, and so it made sense from that perspective, but it was just like really hard for me to be like, Okay, I now need to find silver jewelry because I mostly wear like a lot of gold.

    But it was fun and.

    I feel like now I have silver incorporated into my wardrobe because I'm that type of person where I bought all this stuff for the costume, but I'm going to find a way to wear it and get multiple weares out of it.

    You know, girl math.

    But yeah, so I feel like the silver really made sense for the Renaissance album.

    I was going to ask, at least any other fashion moments that you want to make sure we have recorded in our history.

    I love to see Beyonce's relationship with Oliver Rusting of Bambain because he gets so excited to create for Beyonce, and I think he did maybe like four or five looks, but when she wore that, I knew it was coming because he's done other looks for her. And then her off white Jacques Moose and Ralph Warren looks. The reason I love them is because they're very much representative of the brand, but still very Beyonce. She had like a top hat on and her Ralph horn look. It was all white, so that was really fun to see. And then I like how she played around with lingerie.

    That was really fun.

    And I think she wore.

    There's a brand it's called like on RealAge or on Real Age, and it was this paneled construction. That is my favorite look because it was just very unexpected, like Beyonce was like a statue or like, I don't know, some type of chic porta potty. She was just she was just looking very statue as, like you couldn't see her figure, and I thought that was very out of character for Beyonce. But I loved how she just played around with so many different designers. So that was probably the look where I was like, she's having fun with it, and so I was like, I'm proud of you, Beyonce. But no, on the tel Far, Beyonce had a tell far before a lot of other celebrities, so I knew she was not going to miss that moment.

    Reference.

    I'm a fan of the brand, yes.

    And that on RealAge is the outfit I was talking about in Dallas because it also does that heat color changing, like all the panels go from white multi colored, which is really cool. I wanted to jump in and ask a question for you guys, and don't judge me too hard because I've never watched the Whiz from start to finish. When you mentioned the top had it made me think about what people were saying online about parallels to the Whiz and like Beyonce positioning herself as the Wiz, which I don't know if that's actually what she was doing, but I thought that if she was like subtly telling that story through the costuming, that that added a whole very cool.

    Element in there too.

    It kind of felt like an easter egg, like there's all these different theories.

    So that's Joe.

    You mentioned malfunction just one time, but I saw a bunch of clips where things were malfunction, but she was just smiling, just happy. And what it gave me was like, Masha, something goes wrong, just keep going. Beyonce keeps going, just keep going, no one knows, or just make a joke out of it. Even New Orleans. Like her glasses got stuck to her lashes a little bit, but she.

    Kept on going, kept on going. That was a clatia. Things are going to go wrong, the show still goes on.

    So that's how I interpreted the malfunction taking place.

    I love this. She becomes a little voice of affirmation in your head. More from our conversation after the break, So we now know that Beyonce has announced that the visuals are coming to us in the form of a feature film December first. So I want to hear from people. What are your thoughts about the film? Are you going to go see it again in the theater, and what are you expecting from the film?

    Because I was again the chronically online front who stayed up until tickets dropped, and We'll be flying back to the city so that I can experience it with my friends, because it's not going to be the same if I go see it by myself, you know, and it's the experience, like I'm going to expect the same sort of collective joy that you mentioned, doctor Joy. And I think one of the reasons I wanted to go to another show and so many people went, is because you want to experience that sort of like pure euphoria and sharing it with other people. It's like, we don't get those moments, and so I feel like doing that in the movie theater, it's just gonna be the next chapter of that and more people will be able to experience it because it's not like you have to spend hundreds of dollars on the ticket and you have multiple times to go, so I can't wait to experience that again with my friends.

    So yes, the ticket has been secured. I will be attending the viewing the screening the concert Part two, and I expect there to be singing. I expect it to be a concert in the movie theater I'm hoping to see. I want Blue to have her own section in this film. I would love to see her fears, her ups, her downs. I would just love to see her creative opinions that she had being who she is, and just her taking control of her artistry. Of course, I want to see Beyonce, but I would just love to see her children and seeing Rumi in the stand dancing with her sister, and like seeing her big sister perform. I would love love to see that aspect be a part of the film for sure.

    I also bought my ticket already for the film experience. I was still up last night, and I feel like what I expect is just the added depth to it, because I feel like we saw glimmers of it throughout, like the actual visuals and the touring experience with some of her speeches. I feel like those moments of reflection just in the way that they like actually unfolded would be really cool to like have incorporated. I just expect that it's going to be fantastic and it's bar setting work and I know it's going to be good.

    What about you, Elise.

    I am looking forward to the behind the scenes moments. I think they're always great and Beyonce's narration is all beautiful, so I want to see what she's putting together. I'm curious to how much of like backstage we're going to see because we saw the picture of like Tiana, Taylor and jay Z, Like I want those moments. I want to know who was backstage key king with Beyonce after the show. And then also what is her recovery process? I hope she talks about that, like is she doing ice bass? Is there a sauna? Infrared? I just need everything. How does she decompress from performing every night for four months? Almost four months? So I'm really excited. I have my tickets as well. I'm going on the thirtieth. I don't want to miss anything. I'm not trying to wait. So yeah, I'm going on thirtieth latest show on the Thursday. I'm very excited.

    So exactly what Alisa was saying, I want to know the recovery process, Like I want Beyonce just to come to Sister Circle community check in. I'm like, Beyonce, how do you feel? Are you thankful that this is over? Are you excited?

    When? What is the emotion? I want to know?

    Again, being a mom, like down to and of course she has way more health than I do, but I just wanted to, like balance and even the emotional aspect being away from your children, if they were not able to travel to specific city, facetiming them in between shows, things like that. And then also she took off a couple of dates. I'm wondering how did she choose that priority to know when to go to a specific city versus family events, because there were some family events that took place and just just behind the scenes they were also I was, you know, checking out some of the dancers Instagram page or some personal moments that were shared, and I'm very confident that the tour helped get through dark moments in their lives. I'm curious that those are going to be shared on screen. I'm really for the behind the scenes. I just want to see her smile and just breathe. That's what I'm looking forward to.

    So I also stayed up for the announcement, but I have not yet bought my tickets for the movie because I'm not sure if I want to like see it immediately or if I want to wait until everybody else has seen it and like the theater will be empty and I can go enjoy it with myself, because I also feel like we are going to be in that cutting up, clowning and you're really not going to be able to hear, right, because people are going to think they're at the concert again. So I'm debating on whether I probably will see it multiple times, but I have not as of yet bought a ticket. But I am also looking forward to the behind the scenes family stuff, mostly like someone you said, we already see clips of Roomy and Sir and Blue of course in the trailer that they've shared already, So I'm very excited to see more of the family time. And you know, like you pointed out, at least, what is the recovery, Like how do you maintain a voice across all of those shows and singing the way that she does, and like there weren't often more than a day in between shows, and so the recovery just must be immaculate, and so I would also love to see a glimpse into that, just because I think it would be really interesting. So I have one final question for us, But I also want to know if there are any burning questions that any of you have that you want to ask the rest of the group about the Renaissance experience.

    I have a question, so I'm curious to know who was the top special guest appearance in your opinion.

    That's a tough one. So the special guest we had, we had Kendrick Lamar, we had Meg the Stallion, we had of course the illustrious Diana Ross. Was there anybody else?

    Dj Khaled was there?

    Wasn't he?

    I think he opened for some of the LA shows, but I don't think he was on stage at the same time as Beyonce was.

    I'll say the best opener had to be Kay Trinada, and I was hoping Kate Trenada would do more cities. So I was a little disappointed at that, but I thought that was the perfect opener and made the most sense compared to a lot of the other openers. But I have two answers Diana Ross, because I feel like a lot of people struggle. This is not a valid struggle to put Beyonce in like a legend category, and so I feel like to have Diana Ross come on stage put her in that category, and so I was very happy they did that. That was beautiful. When my sister went to that show, I'm very jealous, but Megan was amazing because I just think our girl needed that support during this time, you know, with all the like the trial verdict and all that stuff. And then two nights before at his show, Drake had shaded Meghan, and so for her to be on stage with Beyonce two days later, I was like, Yeah, this is just the perfect scenario, the perfect situation.

    We needed this.

    So I think those were my two favorites.

    Yeah. I love the Diana Ross moment.

    You could tell that it was such a surprise for her because like literally she just came out and she was thinking happy Birthday. And I actually don't even remember the sequence anymore because it was just like, what is happening? Because to at least's point, it does put her in that category, and like for someone like Diana to come and grace us with her voice, essentially for the price of your Beyonce ticket and just to celebrate, not even any special intro. She just came here to like help celebrate this moment. So I loved that that same show, like Kendrick, Mike messed up. I love that appearance, but I also feel like I didn't actually get to like experience it, experience it.

    The Mike did eventually.

    Come back on, but it did mess up that like opening moment for him.

    I'm gonna go ahead and say Meg was my favorite because I think that was the first time that they'd ever performed that song together, if I'm not mistaken. And then just to see the little scream she did, but she's like I love your Beyonce, Like the little twirl in this World was just like it brought out the little girl in her like that just sort of unbridled joy was so exciting to see and to see Beyonce let her shine like that. It felt like such a a sisterhood moment, and I loved it.

    I agree with Lex there's literally a sisterhood moment both from the same town and just like I got you and I see you. That's what I felt from that moment, and then I forgot that year was But man, had tweeted I love you Beyonce a couple of years ago. To see that full circuit moment, He's like, yes, this look at you now. Okay, so forget the rest.

    Of them, Jana, how would you answer that question?

    Yeah? So I agree with k Trinada, but I also believe in gate keeping Ka Trinada personally, so I was kind of just like, oh, like, why are you there? But I also loved Diana ross kenchick Lamar the mic. I was hoping he would pop up at another city and like redo it for the film. But I think my favorite was Kevin Prodigy. I loved seeing him in his element. That was amazing for Beyonce to provide him that opportunity, him being the voice of Renaissance, providing that space and like highlighting the work he has done for the community. I love seeing every part of it, and so I think he was my favorite performer personally because he is the backbone of the album, so him having his time and taking it he did amazing, So he was my favorite.

    I love that we didn't have any openers or anything in Atlanta, so there was nothing really for me to compare it to. But I definitely echo everything y'all have said about the Meg moment, that definitely felt like a sisterhood Heals moment to me. So it was absolutely beautiful to watch for sure. So to wrap us up, I want to ask you all so in her closing speech in most shows, Beyonce talks about hoping that you had a good time and that you can revisit the Renaissance anytime you feel like you needed. So I would love for you all to share how you are taking the Renaissance with you.

    I don't know why that's so difficult, but knowing that I stepped outside my comfort zone wearing a whole silver outfit, even dyeing my hair, just knowing that it was a moment for me, and then also experiencing a road trip with a great friend going to New Orleans, best friend flying.

    It was all a whole shebang, you know.

    And then we were there with Beyonce, and that's for Beyonce to me, she opened us up into her world with Blue and then just like, I'm going to give y'all a real deal here, And it's crazy because I went to the other Beyonce concerts, but this feels so different. So I'm gonna just keep walking with it, and then of course social media is gonna keep blowing it up.

    We got the.

    Movie I just can't wait. I can't wait. So I'm still walking with it for sure.

    I'm taking the silver jewelry with me and the silver pieces. But I think the way that I feel like I'm carrying it forward is I'm just trying to find more moments of like community and like joy. I think, just personally, like I resonated so much with this album because.

    I have felt very disconnected for a little.

    Bit in various ways, and I think now with bringing all these different friends together, like being in community with arenas filled of people, it's just reminded me that I can, like continue to foster the communities that I have, both near and far.

    So that's why I did La, but we also did Dallas.

    And while we were in Dallas, we also had a baby shower for one of my good friends from college. And so I think it's this continuation of celebration at every milestone and opportunity. So like, I think, I'm just going to continue joy and celebration.

    So I spend so much time on my renaissance outfit and like even what I was going to wear the next day when we went to dinner and talked about the concert after we went, and I felt so pretty and like I got all of these compliments and I felt like I really tapped into Beyonce, like I'm that girl, right and so I felt very inspired. I felt very light, and so I feel like that's what I'm taking with me is when I listened to the music and I rewatch the videos, is like, right, Beyonce told me that I'm that girl, and I can embody that at any time. I don't have to wait for her to say, here's a concert, get cute and come see me. And so that was like something for me to put in my back pocket because it's easy to just.

    Chlep around when you work from home.

    So then I'm like, okay, yeah, right, I'm that girl right now and I can tap into that whenever I want to.

    I'm going to piggyback off of that. I felt like I don't wear like a lot of dresses, and I wore a dress, so that was something I was like, Okay, I'm dressing up for a concert. I'm wearing heels, like I'm very much a relaxed person in the concert setting. So making more moments in my life an event and putting that intention behind them. I'm not going to save this outfit for whatever thing in the future, like I'm going to use it now. And obviously Beyonce is a huge event, but I think it channeled that energy for me.

    I think for me, I'm going to take away the value and remembering that we're not monolithic and that everyone can show up in their unique way. Cliche a little bit, but I just think that the concert and the just reminded me of that, with the dancers being themselves, Beyonce giggling and being herself, and like just that affirmation because Beyonce is a perfectionist and what she does just to remind myself and people around me of like, you can just.

    Be you are and that's enough.

    Every day. Doesn't take one night for you to feel free. You are free, And so that was definitely a huge takeaway for me.

    I love that it's such beautiful answers, thank y'all. So definitely for me, I'm definitely taking the joy with me because again, I just feel like that was so contagious and I want to live in that space for as long as humanly possible. But as I was sitting there that night, I was definitely taking notes because podcasts, because I knew we were going to talk about the Renaissance tour. And one of the notes that I wrote for myself was what is your stage? And this was my first Beyonce concert, so I had not seen the queen before, even though I'm a huge fan, but I was giving birth for one of the tours, so I couldn't go, and then various circumstances, so this was my first time seeing her, and so I think seeing her on stage and she felt so at home and so at peace and was just letting all this love into her right like as we are cheering when she first comes on and giving her a standing ovation for like a minute or more. It just felt like we all have that space, even if it is not a stage, right, And so thinking about like what areas can I master? What areas of my life feel like my stage where I can show up in all of my glory and allow people to love on me and be excited and affirming of me. So that definitely is how I'm taking the Renaissance with me is continuing to think about what my stage is.

    That's so good doctor Joy, I'm going to be thinking about that for the rest of the day.

    That's really good.

    I literally got chills while you're saying that, because like, now I'm just gonna be ruminating about it. I'm probably have got a journal about it and trying to figure out what my stage is because this has been a summer of reinvention for me. I have been like overcoming a lot of burnout and so it's like, yeah, what is my stage and like, where is it that I can feel home? Because I think one of the special things about Beyonce clearly is that she loves performing this tour just like showed that she has fun with it. She's like, I see somebody in the crowd, let me do a cute little improv ad lib like what okay? And so clearly this is that stage for her. And to your point, I feel like I always left feeling really inspired, but now I'm like, oh, there's a new way for me to think about that inspiration.

    I love that, And you know, we love a good journal prompt. So I love that y'all getting a journal about that. Well, I appreciate 'all joining me for this beautiful conversation. I was so excited to hear everybody's thoughts in what you were walking away with. So as we wrap up, just remind people where they can find you online and stay connected with you if they would like. We'll start with you, Jina.

    Yes, so, my Instagram is my name so Jana j A y n A dot l s e l l i S.

    You can find me on Instagram too, Mommies and the Baby t w O Mommies and a Baby.

    I'm on Instagram at lex l e x dot Michelle like Michelle Nichols.

    I'm on Instagram at e l l i c e l l i S, and you can connect with me on LinkedIn. My name is Elis l s e l l i c e e l l i S as well.

    You can find me on Instagram at essence of sin c i N and then you can also find me on LinkedIn.

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    We'll be sure to include all of that in the show notes. Thank y'all so much again for spending some time with me today. I'm so glad the team was able to join me again for this fun conversation to learn more about them and the work that they're doing. Be sure to visit the show notes at Therapy for Black Girls dot com slash Session three point thirty and don't forget to text two of your girls right now and tell them to check out the episode. If you're looking for a therapist in your area, check out our therapist directory at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com slash directory. And if you want to continue digging into this topic or just be in community with other sisters, come on over and join us in the Sister Circle. It's our cozy corner of the Internet designed just for black women. You can join us at community dot Therapy for Blackgirls dot com. This episode was produced by Frida Lucas, Elise Ellis, and Zaria Taylor. Editing was done by Dennis and Bradford. Thank y'all so much for joining me again this week. I look forward to continuing on conversation real soon. Take care. What's the reviews for sisterhood? Heels are rolling in and I simply cannot stop smiling at the Hot girl books on Instagram shared finish reading this one warm hug of a book last night, and wow, it made me once a hug my sister friend so bad Sisterhood Heels is a beautiful guide on how we as black women can use our community and friends to aid in our healing process. Thank you so much for the beautiful review. Have you grabbed your copy yet? Get one for yourself and a friend at sisterhoodheels dot com

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