Barrie Schwortz and Rudy Dichtl have spent the greater part of the past few decades researching and authenticating the Shroud of Turin. 

They join museum CEO and curator Genevieve Keeney-Vazquez to discuss the many things involved with studying the shroud which has captivated millions of people from all over the world. 

During this episode, you'll hear how Rudy and Barrie ended up on this project, where it led them, and the challenges they've faced along the way.

Learn more about the Shroud of Turin on Barrie's website, Shroud.com.

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Barrie Schwortz and Rudy Dichtl have spent the greater part of the past few decades researching and authenticating the Shroud of Turin.&nbsp;
They join museum CEO and curator Genevieve Keeney-Vazquez to discuss the many things involved with studying the shroud which has captivated millions of people from all over the world.&nbsp;
During this episode, you'll hear how Rudy and Barrie ended up on this project, where it led them, and the challenges they've faced along the way.
Learn more about the Shroud of Turin on Barrie's website, <a href="https://www.shroud.com/78exam.htm">Shroud.com</a>.
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Plan <a href="https://nmfh.org/the-museum/">your visit</a> to the museum today!

The National Museum of Funeral History presents The Final Curtain Never Closes, a podcast that tells the stories about the people behind our final rite of passage.

This series is part of the museum's larger mission to build and maintain a love of history and enriched understanding of our industry.

Virtual tours are available 24/7, but we'd love to see you in person. Plan your visit at www.nmfh.org. 

And remember, any day above ground is a good one!

The National Museum of Funeral History presents The Final Curtain Never Closes, a podcast that tells the stories about the people behind our final rite of passage.
This series is part of the museum's larger mission to build and maintain a love of history and enriched understanding of our industry.
Virtual tours are available 24/7, but we'd love to see you in person. Plan your visit at <a href="http://www.nmfh.org">www.nmfh.org</a>. 
And remember, any day above ground is a good one!

The Final Curtain Never Closes

The National Museum of Funeral History presents The Final Curtain Never Closes, a podcast that tells the stories about the people behind our final rite of passage.

This series is part of the museum's larger mission to build and maintain a love of history and enriched understanding of our industry.

Virtual tours are available 24/7, but we'd love to see you in person. Plan your visit at www.nmfh.org. 

And remember, any day above ground is a good one!

The National Museum of Funeral History presents The Final Curtain Never Closes, a podcast that tells the stories about the people behind our final rite of passage.
This series is part of the museum's larger mission to build and maintain a love of history and enriched understanding of our industry.
Virtual tours are available 24/7, but we'd love to see you in person. Plan your visit at <a href="http://www.nmfh.org/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.nmfh.org/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1674242839098000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1eUszxGGKNoJjKnYiXLWw6">www.nmfh.org</a>. 
And remember, any day above ground is a good one!

The Most Famous Burial of All-Time

Ashley Gould shares how simple, intentional gatherings around the table can ease hard conversations about illness, death, and legacy, using ethical wills and “life boxes” so families stay connected, prepared, and better able to honor end-of-life wishes.

Ashley's podcast On the Table with Ashleyhere.

Plan your visit to the museum today at nmfh.org and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.

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Key takeaways


Face-to-face gatherings around a table foster deeper connection, understanding, and courage for conversations that rarely happen over texts or short calls.


Hosting does not require a perfect home or elaborate meal; simple food, shared contributions, and genuine presence can transform how people relate.


Talking about illness, dying, and memorial wishes while there is still time can reduce fear, increase peace, and help families honor each person’s values.


Ethical wills and “life boxes” give structure for sharing stories, values, instructions, and practical information that loved ones will depend on after a death.


Preferences around care, cremation or burial, scattering or permanent placement, and memorialization can change over time, so these conversations should be ongoing.

Ashley Gould shares how simple, intentional gatherings around the table can ease hard conversations about illness, death, and legacy, using ethical wills and &ldquo;life boxes&rdquo; so families stay connected, prepared, and better able to honor end-of-life wishes.
Ashley's podcast On the Table with Ashley <a href="https://ameatendre.com/pages/on-the-table-with-ashley">here</a>.
Plan your visit to the museum today at <a href="https://nmfh.org">nmfh.org</a> and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.
Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-final-curtain-never-closes/id1664936967">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4x8VZuVdq5UQtnrY2b1IJS?si=b1c6ae4a9c744e0a">Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your <a href="https://www.nmfh.org/haunting-stories-of-the-museums-hometown/">podcasts</a>.
Key takeaways
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Face-to-face gatherings around a table foster deeper connection, understanding, and courage for conversations that rarely happen over texts or short calls.
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Hosting does not require a perfect home or elaborate meal; simple food, shared contributions, and genuine presence can transform how people relate.
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Talking about illness, dying, and memorial wishes while there is still time can reduce fear, increase peace, and help families honor each person&rsquo;s values.
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Ethical wills and &ldquo;life boxes&rdquo; give structure for sharing stories, values, instructions, and practical information that loved ones will depend on after a death.
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Preferences around care, cremation or burial, scattering or permanent placement, and memorialization can change over time, so these conversations should be ongoing.
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Gathering, Grief, and the Life Box: How to Have Hard Conversations at the Table

Genevieve Keeney-Vazquez explores universal themes in death rituals, examining how funerals, grief, and cultural customs intersect at the National Museum of Funeral History. Museum exhibits include gynecological coffins from Ghana, jazz funerals in Louisiana, and Victorian mourning practices, providing insight into how traditions shape the grieving process and honor the dead.

Religion and cultural heritage guide communities through loss, establishing rituals that unite people and create space for healthy grieving. Grief is recognized as an ongoing experience, with individuals choosing solitude or seeking support from loved ones. Genevieve Keeney-Vazquez shares personal experiences with grief and emphasizes practices that foster healing.

This conversation is part two of a two-part interview with Ashley Gould for On the Table with Ashley, a podcast dedicated to meaningful conversations across diverse life experiences and professions.

Plan your visit to the museum today at nmfh.org and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.

Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Key Takeaways

1. Rituals surrounding death are universal, but they vary widely in their practices and meanings. These customs serve dual purposes: aiding the grieving process for the living and, in many traditions, helping the soul or spirit of the deceased to “transcend” or move on. Regardless of the specifics, a common thread is that every culture finds ways to honor and remember loved ones, and most have beliefs about life after death or the soul's journey.

2. Funerary practices, including burial containers like coffins and caskets or unique customs such as Ghanaian fantasy coffins or jazz funerals, reflect both cultural values and practical concerns (like public health). These practices evolve over time—sometimes merging, adapting, or being challenged by modern sensibilities—but always provide structure and meaning during periods of loss.

3. Grief is a lifelong and deeply personal process. The transcript emphasizes that grieving varies from person to person and is affected by culture, tradition, and individual circumstance. Equally important is the message that grief should be honored and experienced—not masked or ignored—as unhealthy grief can have lasting physical and emotional impacts. Support from community, rituals, and sometimes professional help, can be vital.

4. Objects, photography, and even art made from cremains are powerful tools for remembrance and healing. These items enable people to hold on to memories, honor the dead, and sometimes find new ways to process loss. The meaning attached to such objects often transcends their physical material, providing comfort and a sense of continuity.

5. Professionals in the funeral industry are both caretakers and guides for grieving families. The transcript highlights that even those with expertise in death care are affected by grief and must manage personal boundaries and seek support when needed. There's an ongoing need for empathy, community, and sometimes humor, to balance the emotional demands of the profession, as well as recognition of the human aspect behind every role.

Genevieve Keeney-Vazquez explores universal themes in death rituals, examining how funerals, grief, and cultural customs intersect at the National Museum of Funeral History. Museum exhibits include gynecological coffins from Ghana, jazz funerals in Louisiana, and Victorian mourning practices, providing insight into how traditions shape the grieving process and honor the dead.
Religion and cultural heritage guide communities through loss, establishing rituals that unite people and create space for healthy grieving. Grief is recognized as an ongoing experience, with individuals choosing solitude or seeking support from loved ones. Genevieve Keeney-Vazquez shares personal experiences with grief and emphasizes practices that foster healing.
This conversation is part two of a two-part interview with Ashley Gould for <a href="https://ameatendre.com/pages/on-the-table-with-ashley">On the Table with Ashley</a>, a podcast dedicated to meaningful conversations across diverse life experiences and professions.<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpNAVTfYFNU"></a>
Plan your visit to the museum today at <a href="https://nmfh.org">nmfh.org</a> and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.
Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-final-curtain-never-closes/id1664936967">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4x8VZuVdq5UQtnrY2b1IJS?si=b1c6ae4a9c744e0a">Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your <a href="https://www.nmfh.org/haunting-stories-of-the-museums-hometown/">podcasts</a>.
Key Takeaways
1. Rituals surrounding death are universal, but they vary widely in their practices and meanings. These customs serve dual purposes: aiding the grieving process for the living and, in many traditions, helping the soul or spirit of the deceased to &ldquo;transcend&rdquo; or move on. Regardless of the specifics, a common thread is that every culture finds ways to honor and remember loved ones, and most have beliefs about life after death or the soul's journey.
2. Funerary practices, including burial containers like coffins and caskets or unique customs such as Ghanaian fantasy coffins or jazz funerals, reflect both cultural values and practical concerns (like public health). These practices evolve over time&mdash;sometimes merging, adapting, or being challenged by modern sensibilities&mdash;but always provide structure and meaning during periods of loss.
3.&nbsp;Grief is a lifelong and deeply personal process. The transcript emphasizes that grieving varies from person to person and is affected by culture, tradition, and individual circumstance. Equally important is the message that grief should be honored and experienced&mdash;not masked or ignored&mdash;as unhealthy grief can have lasting physical and emotional impacts. Support from community, rituals, and sometimes professional help, can be vital.
4.&nbsp;Objects, photography, and even art made from cremains are powerful tools for remembrance and healing. These items enable people to hold on to memories, honor the dead, and sometimes find new ways to process loss. The meaning attached to such objects often transcends their physical material, providing comfort and a sense of continuity.
5.&nbsp;Professionals in the funeral industry are both caretakers and guides for grieving families. The transcript highlights that even those with expertise in death care are affected by grief and must manage personal boundaries and seek support when needed. There's an ongoing need for empathy, community, and sometimes humor, to balance the emotional demands of the profession, as well as recognition of the human aspect behind every role.

How Grief Transforms Us: Exploring Global Funeral Traditions

Ancient Egyptian funeral practices revolved around the belief in preparing the body for burial to ensure a smooth journey in the afterlife. Preserving the physical body through embalming was crucial, as it allowed the soul to return and reunite with the spirit. 

The embalming techniques employed by the Egyptians involved the use of resins, oils, and natron to preserve the body. The evolution of these techniques aimed at disinfection, preservation, and restoration, influenced by religious beliefs and the need to prevent the spread of diseases.

The cult of Osiris, Isis, and Horus played a significant role in Egyptian mythology and burial practices. Family members held important roles in the embalming process. The relationship between Osiris, Isis, and Horus was deeply intertwined with the embalming process, and the canopic jars used to hold specific organs were of great significance.

The Egyptians believed in the ba's 3000-year journey, and preserving the body was essential for its reunion with the ka, ensuring immortality. Embalming completed the circle of necessity, allowing the soul's return to the body.

Embalming practices varied based on social status. Basic wrapping and burial were reserved for the common people, while royalty underwent elaborate embalming procedures. The classification of embalming practices by grades emphasized the level of status based on the embalming process.

Plan your visit to the museum today at nmfh.org and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.

Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Ancient Egyptian funeral practices revolved around the belief in preparing the body for burial to ensure a smooth journey in the afterlife. Preserving the physical body through embalming was crucial, as it allowed the soul to return and reunite with the spirit.&nbsp;
The embalming techniques employed by the Egyptians involved the use of resins, oils, and natron to preserve the body. The evolution of these techniques aimed at disinfection, preservation, and restoration, influenced by religious beliefs and the need to prevent the spread of diseases.
The cult of Osiris, Isis, and Horus played a significant role in Egyptian mythology and burial practices. Family members held important roles in the embalming process. The relationship between Osiris, Isis, and Horus was deeply intertwined with the embalming process, and the canopic jars used to hold specific organs were of great significance.
The Egyptians believed in the ba's 3000-year journey, and preserving the body was essential for its reunion with the ka, ensuring immortality. Embalming completed the circle of necessity, allowing the soul's return to the body.
Embalming practices varied based on social status. Basic wrapping and burial were reserved for the common people, while royalty underwent elaborate embalming procedures. The classification of embalming practices by grades emphasized the level of status based on the embalming process.
Plan your visit to the museum today at <a href="https://nmfh.org">nmfh.org</a> and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.
Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-final-curtain-never-closes/id1664936967">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4x8VZuVdq5UQtnrY2b1IJS?si=b1c6ae4a9c744e0a">Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your <a href="https://www.nmfh.org/haunting-stories-of-the-museums-hometown/">podcasts</a>.

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