Hayley Campbell writes for WIRED, Buzzfeed, The Guardian, and VICE, among many others.

She’s written a book about Neil Gaiman and her most recent book All the Living and the Dead tackles something many of us in the West struggle with: death.

During this conversation, museum president and CEO Genevieve Keeney-Vazquez and Hayley discuss the many facets of caring for the dead. And helping the living accept mortality

Learn more about Hayley's work and buy All the Living and the Dead at hayleycampbell.com.

Plan your visit to the museum today at nmfh.org and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.

Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hayley Campbell writes for WIRED, Buzzfeed, The Guardian, and VICE, among many others.
She&rsquo;s written a book about Neil Gaiman and her most recent book All the Living and the Dead tackles something many of us in the West struggle with: death.
During this conversation, museum president and CEO Genevieve Keeney-Vazquez and Hayley discuss the many facets of caring for the dead. And helping the living accept mortality
Learn more about Hayley's work and buy All the Living and the Dead at <a href="https://www.hayleycampbell.com">hayleycampbell.com</a>.
Plan your visit to the museum today at&nbsp;<a href="https://nmfh.org">nmfh.org</a> and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.
Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-final-curtain-never-closes/id1664936967">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4x8VZuVdq5UQtnrY2b1IJS?si=b1c6ae4a9c744e0a">Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your <a href="https://www.nmfh.org/haunting-stories-of-the-museums-hometown/">podcasts</a>.

The National Museum of Funeral History presents The Final Curtain Never Closes, a podcast that tells the stories about the people behind our final rite of passage.

This series is part of the museum's larger mission to build and maintain a love of history and enriched understanding of our industry.

Virtual tours are available 24/7, but we'd love to see you in person. Plan your visit at www.nmfh.org. 

And remember, any day above ground is a good one!

The National Museum of Funeral History presents The Final Curtain Never Closes, a podcast that tells the stories about the people behind our final rite of passage.
This series is part of the museum's larger mission to build and maintain a love of history and enriched understanding of our industry.
Virtual tours are available 24/7, but we'd love to see you in person. Plan your visit at <a href="http://www.nmfh.org">www.nmfh.org</a>. 
And remember, any day above ground is a good one!

The Final Curtain Never Closes

The National Museum of Funeral History presents The Final Curtain Never Closes, a podcast that tells the stories about the people behind our final rite of passage.

This series is part of the museum's larger mission to build and maintain a love of history and enriched understanding of our industry.

Virtual tours are available 24/7, but we'd love to see you in person. Plan your visit at www.nmfh.org. 

And remember, any day above ground is a good one!

The National Museum of Funeral History presents The Final Curtain Never Closes, a podcast that tells the stories about the people behind our final rite of passage.
This series is part of the museum's larger mission to build and maintain a love of history and enriched understanding of our industry.
Virtual tours are available 24/7, but we'd love to see you in person. Plan your visit at <a href="http://www.nmfh.org/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.nmfh.org/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1674242839098000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1eUszxGGKNoJjKnYiXLWw6">www.nmfh.org</a>. 
And remember, any day above ground is a good one!

The Art of Caring for the Departed: Insights from Hayley Campbell

Genevieve Keeney-Vazquez explores universal themes in death rituals, examining how funerals, grief, and cultural customs intersect at the National Museum of Funeral History. Museum exhibits include gynecological coffins from Ghana, jazz funerals in Louisiana, and Victorian mourning practices, providing insight into how traditions shape the grieving process and honor the dead.

Religion and cultural heritage guide communities through loss, establishing rituals that unite people and create space for healthy grieving. Grief is recognized as an ongoing experience, with individuals choosing solitude or seeking support from loved ones. Genevieve Keeney-Vazquez shares personal experiences with grief and emphasizes practices that foster healing.

This conversation is part two of a two-part interview with Ashley Gould for On the Table with Ashley, a podcast dedicated to meaningful conversations across diverse life experiences and professions.

Plan your visit to the museum today at nmfh.org and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.

Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Key Takeaways

1. Rituals surrounding death are universal, but they vary widely in their practices and meanings. These customs serve dual purposes: aiding the grieving process for the living and, in many traditions, helping the soul or spirit of the deceased to “transcend” or move on. Regardless of the specifics, a common thread is that every culture finds ways to honor and remember loved ones, and most have beliefs about life after death or the soul's journey.

2. Funerary practices, including burial containers like coffins and caskets or unique customs such as Ghanaian fantasy coffins or jazz funerals, reflect both cultural values and practical concerns (like public health). These practices evolve over time—sometimes merging, adapting, or being challenged by modern sensibilities—but always provide structure and meaning during periods of loss.

3. Grief is a lifelong and deeply personal process. The transcript emphasizes that grieving varies from person to person and is affected by culture, tradition, and individual circumstance. Equally important is the message that grief should be honored and experienced—not masked or ignored—as unhealthy grief can have lasting physical and emotional impacts. Support from community, rituals, and sometimes professional help, can be vital.

4. Objects, photography, and even art made from cremains are powerful tools for remembrance and healing. These items enable people to hold on to memories, honor the dead, and sometimes find new ways to process loss. The meaning attached to such objects often transcends their physical material, providing comfort and a sense of continuity.

5. Professionals in the funeral industry are both caretakers and guides for grieving families. The transcript highlights that even those with expertise in death care are affected by grief and must manage personal boundaries and seek support when needed. There's an ongoing need for empathy, community, and sometimes humor, to balance the emotional demands of the profession, as well as recognition of the human aspect behind every role.

Genevieve Keeney-Vazquez explores universal themes in death rituals, examining how funerals, grief, and cultural customs intersect at the National Museum of Funeral History. Museum exhibits include gynecological coffins from Ghana, jazz funerals in Louisiana, and Victorian mourning practices, providing insight into how traditions shape the grieving process and honor the dead.
Religion and cultural heritage guide communities through loss, establishing rituals that unite people and create space for healthy grieving. Grief is recognized as an ongoing experience, with individuals choosing solitude or seeking support from loved ones. Genevieve Keeney-Vazquez shares personal experiences with grief and emphasizes practices that foster healing.
This conversation is part two of a two-part interview with Ashley Gould for <a href="https://ameatendre.com/pages/on-the-table-with-ashley">On the Table with Ashley</a>, a podcast dedicated to meaningful conversations across diverse life experiences and professions.<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpNAVTfYFNU"></a>
Plan your visit to the museum today at <a href="https://nmfh.org">nmfh.org</a> and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.
Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-final-curtain-never-closes/id1664936967">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4x8VZuVdq5UQtnrY2b1IJS?si=b1c6ae4a9c744e0a">Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your <a href="https://www.nmfh.org/haunting-stories-of-the-museums-hometown/">podcasts</a>.
Key Takeaways
1. Rituals surrounding death are universal, but they vary widely in their practices and meanings. These customs serve dual purposes: aiding the grieving process for the living and, in many traditions, helping the soul or spirit of the deceased to &ldquo;transcend&rdquo; or move on. Regardless of the specifics, a common thread is that every culture finds ways to honor and remember loved ones, and most have beliefs about life after death or the soul's journey.
2. Funerary practices, including burial containers like coffins and caskets or unique customs such as Ghanaian fantasy coffins or jazz funerals, reflect both cultural values and practical concerns (like public health). These practices evolve over time&mdash;sometimes merging, adapting, or being challenged by modern sensibilities&mdash;but always provide structure and meaning during periods of loss.
3.&nbsp;Grief is a lifelong and deeply personal process. The transcript emphasizes that grieving varies from person to person and is affected by culture, tradition, and individual circumstance. Equally important is the message that grief should be honored and experienced&mdash;not masked or ignored&mdash;as unhealthy grief can have lasting physical and emotional impacts. Support from community, rituals, and sometimes professional help, can be vital.
4.&nbsp;Objects, photography, and even art made from cremains are powerful tools for remembrance and healing. These items enable people to hold on to memories, honor the dead, and sometimes find new ways to process loss. The meaning attached to such objects often transcends their physical material, providing comfort and a sense of continuity.
5.&nbsp;Professionals in the funeral industry are both caretakers and guides for grieving families. The transcript highlights that even those with expertise in death care are affected by grief and must manage personal boundaries and seek support when needed. There's an ongoing need for empathy, community, and sometimes humor, to balance the emotional demands of the profession, as well as recognition of the human aspect behind every role.

How Grief Transforms Us: Exploring Global Funeral Traditions

Ancient Egyptian funeral practices revolved around the belief in preparing the body for burial to ensure a smooth journey in the afterlife. Preserving the physical body through embalming was crucial, as it allowed the soul to return and reunite with the spirit. 

The embalming techniques employed by the Egyptians involved the use of resins, oils, and natron to preserve the body. The evolution of these techniques aimed at disinfection, preservation, and restoration, influenced by religious beliefs and the need to prevent the spread of diseases.

The cult of Osiris, Isis, and Horus played a significant role in Egyptian mythology and burial practices. Family members held important roles in the embalming process. The relationship between Osiris, Isis, and Horus was deeply intertwined with the embalming process, and the canopic jars used to hold specific organs were of great significance.

The Egyptians believed in the ba's 3000-year journey, and preserving the body was essential for its reunion with the ka, ensuring immortality. Embalming completed the circle of necessity, allowing the soul's return to the body.

Embalming practices varied based on social status. Basic wrapping and burial were reserved for the common people, while royalty underwent elaborate embalming procedures. The classification of embalming practices by grades emphasized the level of status based on the embalming process.

Plan your visit to the museum today at nmfh.org and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.

Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Ancient Egyptian funeral practices revolved around the belief in preparing the body for burial to ensure a smooth journey in the afterlife. Preserving the physical body through embalming was crucial, as it allowed the soul to return and reunite with the spirit.&nbsp;
The embalming techniques employed by the Egyptians involved the use of resins, oils, and natron to preserve the body. The evolution of these techniques aimed at disinfection, preservation, and restoration, influenced by religious beliefs and the need to prevent the spread of diseases.
The cult of Osiris, Isis, and Horus played a significant role in Egyptian mythology and burial practices. Family members held important roles in the embalming process. The relationship between Osiris, Isis, and Horus was deeply intertwined with the embalming process, and the canopic jars used to hold specific organs were of great significance.
The Egyptians believed in the ba's 3000-year journey, and preserving the body was essential for its reunion with the ka, ensuring immortality. Embalming completed the circle of necessity, allowing the soul's return to the body.
Embalming practices varied based on social status. Basic wrapping and burial were reserved for the common people, while royalty underwent elaborate embalming procedures. The classification of embalming practices by grades emphasized the level of status based on the embalming process.
Plan your visit to the museum today at <a href="https://nmfh.org">nmfh.org</a> and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.
Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-final-curtain-never-closes/id1664936967">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4x8VZuVdq5UQtnrY2b1IJS?si=b1c6ae4a9c744e0a">Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your <a href="https://www.nmfh.org/haunting-stories-of-the-museums-hometown/">podcasts</a>.

Unlocking the Secrets of Egyptian Mummification

Michael Osborne, creator of the award-winning podcast Famous and Gravy, joins Genevieve to discuss how stories of the departed become mirrors for the living.

The conversation explores how fame shifts across generations, the fleeting nature of memory, and the difference between celebrity and personal legacy. Osborne shares the philosophical framework behind Famous and Gravy, emphasizing empathy, the power of creative expression, and conducting authentic, unscripted conversations. They explore reflections on personal legacies and the importance of listening, both in life and in storytelling.

Learn more about Famous and Gravy here, and subscribe to the show on YouTube.

Plan your visit to the museum today at nmfh.org and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.

Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Key Takeaways

1. Fame is generational and fleeting: Osborne illustrates how perceptions of fame differ by age group, using Paul Newman as an example to show how memory fades and morphs over time, making legacy a moving target.

2. Celebrity as a mirror: The show uses dead celebrities’ stories to reflect on cultural values, aspirations, and characteristics, aiming to turn the spotlight back on listeners’ own lives and potential for growth.

3. Empathy over idolization: Rather than celebrity obsession, Famous and Gravy seeks to humanize public figures and encourage empathetic consideration of the complexities behind fame and achievement.

4. Legacy for all: The discussion pushes past the myth that only the famous are remembered. Everyone can create a legacy, and the “second death” occurs when the last living person with knowledge of someone dies, making remembrance universal.

5. Listening as a skill: Osborne reveals that great storytelling, in podcasts and in life, depends on deep listening and authentic connection, not just performance or conversation.

Michael Osborne, creator of the award-winning podcast Famous and Gravy, joins Genevieve to discuss how stories of the departed become mirrors for the living.
The conversation explores how fame shifts across generations, the fleeting nature of memory, and the difference between celebrity and personal legacy. Osborne shares the philosophical framework behind Famous and Gravy, emphasizing empathy, the power of creative expression, and conducting authentic, unscripted conversations. They explore reflections on personal legacies and the importance of listening, both in life and in storytelling.
Learn more about Famous and Gravy <a href="https://www.famousandgravy.com/">here</a>, and subscribe to the show on <a href="https://youtube.com/@famousandgravy?si=i4UCb-UzO6_oTGyO">YouTube</a>.
Plan your visit to the museum today at <a href="https://nmfh.org">nmfh.org</a> and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.
Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-final-curtain-never-closes/id1664936967">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4x8VZuVdq5UQtnrY2b1IJS?si=b1c6ae4a9c744e0a">Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your <a href="https://www.nmfh.org/haunting-stories-of-the-museums-hometown/">podcasts</a>.
Key Takeaways
1. Fame is generational and fleeting: Osborne illustrates how perceptions of fame differ by age group, using Paul Newman as an example to show how memory fades and morphs over time, making legacy a moving target.
2. Celebrity as a mirror: The show uses dead celebrities&rsquo; stories to reflect on cultural values, aspirations, and characteristics, aiming to turn the spotlight back on listeners&rsquo; own lives and potential for growth.
3. Empathy over idolization: Rather than celebrity obsession, Famous and Gravy seeks to humanize public figures and encourage empathetic consideration of the complexities behind fame and achievement.
4. Legacy for all: The discussion pushes past the myth that only the famous are remembered. Everyone can create a legacy, and the &ldquo;second death&rdquo; occurs when the last living person with knowledge of someone dies, making remembrance universal.
5. Listening as a skill: Osborne reveals that great storytelling, in podcasts and in life, depends on deep listening and authentic connection, not just performance or conversation.<a href="https://ppl-ai-file-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/web/direct-files/attachments/8598465/d0c9b995-7d38-40a9-9858-f36b9c4089c2/TFCNC_Transcript_Michael-Osborne.txt"></a>

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