Brian talks with Adriel Sanchez, senior minister at North Park Presbyterian Church in San Diego and author of the new book Why We Worship: Experiencing Heaven on Earth at Church. Adriel addresses declining church attendance — with regular attenders now averaging just one to two Sundays a month — and makes the case that Sunday worship is a unique, Christ-ordained gift rather than just one option among many for spiritual growth. He unpacks the biblical concept of reverence and awe from Hebrews 12, encourages Christians who feel spiritually apathetic not to panic but to keep showing up in faithful obedience even without strong feelings, and challenges pastors to cast a positive, wonder-filled vision for worship rather than relying on guilt to drive attendance. Adriel also points listeners to his podcast, Core Christianity, which tackles everyday questions about faith and culture.