Rev. Dr. Amy Peeler, associate professor of New Testament at Wheaton College and associate rector at St. Mark's Episcopal Church in Geneva, Illinois, talks about gendering things that God does or provides for us--like salvation.

In addition, we chat with Mallory Rentsch, designer for Christianity Today, about creating artwork for tricky subjects--and unpack a quandary from Nona Jones: What do you do when God delivers you from the thing you prayed for Him to deliver you out of… but you find a worse situation on the other side of deliverance?

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