Most Christians would say they know Jesus.

But what if we’ve misunderstood who He really is?

In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Mark E. Moore—teaching pastor at Christ’s Church of the Valley and bestselling author of Core 52—challenges one of the most foundational assumptions in modern faith: not whether we believe in Jesus, but whether we actually understand Him.

From his years as a New Testament professor to leading at one of the largest churches in the country, Mark brings clarity to a question that reshapes everything:

Have we reduced Jesus to something smaller than who He really is?

This conversation explores the tension between seeing Jesus as Savior versus recognizing Him as Messiah and King—and why that distinction changes how we live, lead, and follow Him today.

Guest Bio

Mark E. Moore is the teaching pastor at Christ’s Church of the Valley in Peoria, Arizona—one of the fastest-growing churches in the United States. He previously spent over 20 years as a New Testament professor at Ozark Christian College and is the bestselling author of Core 52. Mark is passionate about making Scripture accessible, clear, and transformative for everyday life. He and his wife, Barbara, live in Phoenix.

Episode Highlights
Are we missing the real Jesus?
How modern Christianity can unintentionally reshape Jesus into our own image
Savior vs. King: why it matters
What happens when we embrace Jesus as Savior but ignore His authority as Messiah
Why “personal faith” might be incomplete
Recovering the power of a shared, lived-out faith in community
The danger of a customized Jesus
How culture influences the way we interpret Scripture and identity
What it actually means to follow Jesus today
Moving from comfort to surrender—and from belief to embodied faith

Pull Quote

“IF YOU SEE JESUS ONLY AS SAVIOR, YOU’LL WAIT FOR HEAVEN SOMEDAY—INSTEAD OF LIVING ETERNAL LIFE RIGHT NOW.”

Helpful Links
Mark E. Moore Books: https://www.markmoore.org/
Christ’s Church of the Valley: https://ccv.church

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Most Christians would say they know Jesus.
But what if we&rsquo;ve misunderstood who He really is?
In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Mark E. Moore&mdash;teaching pastor at Christ&rsquo;s Church of the Valley and bestselling author of Core 52&mdash;challenges one of the most foundational assumptions in modern faith: not whether we believe in Jesus, but whether we actually understand Him.
From his years as a New Testament professor to leading at one of the largest churches in the country, Mark brings clarity to a question that reshapes everything:
Have we reduced Jesus to something smaller than who He really is?
This conversation explores the tension between seeing Jesus as Savior versus recognizing Him as Messiah and King&mdash;and why that distinction changes how we live, lead, and follow Him today.
<hr data-start="1620" data-end="1623">
Guest Bio
Mark E. Moore is the teaching pastor at Christ&rsquo;s Church of the Valley in Peoria, Arizona&mdash;one of the fastest-growing churches in the United States. He previously spent over 20 years as a New Testament professor at Ozark Christian College and is the bestselling author of Core 52. Mark is passionate about making Scripture accessible, clear, and transformative for everyday life. He and his wife, Barbara, live in Phoenix.
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Episode Highlights
<ul data-start="2099" data-end="2737">
<li data-section-id="r4ylgv" data-start="2099" data-end="2256">Are we missing the real Jesus? How modern Christianity can unintentionally reshape Jesus into our own image</li>
<li data-section-id="hnibfn" data-start="2258" data-end="2382">Savior vs. King: why it matters What happens when we embrace Jesus as Savior but ignore His authority as Messiah</li>
<li data-section-id="wk976n" data-start="2384" data-end="2499">Why &ldquo;personal faith&rdquo; might be incomplete Recovering the power of a shared, lived-out faith in community</li>
<li data-section-id="1hj2eve" data-start="2501" data-end="2612">The danger of a customized Jesus How culture influences the way we interpret Scripture and identity</li>
<li data-section-id="1a8rtak" data-start="2614" data-end="2737">What it actually means to follow Jesus today Moving from comfort to surrender&mdash;and from belief to embodied faith</li>
</ul>
<hr data-start="2739" data-end="2742">
Pull Quote
&ldquo;IF YOU SEE JESUS ONLY AS SAVIOR, YOU&rsquo;LL WAIT FOR HEAVEN SOMEDAY&mdash;INSTEAD OF LIVING ETERNAL LIFE RIGHT NOW.&rdquo;
<hr data-start="2910" data-end="2913">
Helpful Links
<ul data-start="2937" data-end="3031">
<li data-section-id="qlfed6" data-start="2937" data-end="2977">Mark E. Moore Books: https://www.markmoore.org/</li>
<li data-section-id="775bjx" data-start="2978" data-end="3031">Christ&rsquo;s Church of the Valley: <a href="https://ccv.church" data-start="3011" data-end="3029">https://ccv.church</a></li>
</ul>
<hr data-start="3033" data-end="3036">
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Mark E. Moore: Savior or King? What Most Christians Get Wrong

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The cross is central to everything we believe.
So why does it sometimes feel… familiar?

In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Cade Thompson opens up about a tension many Christians quietly carry—what happens when the message of the cross stops feeling powerful and starts feeling routine.

Growing up in church and now touring as a Christian artist, Cade shares how easy it is to lose the wonder of what Jesus has done—and how to find it again.

From a life-changing moment at summer camp to a simple conversation in an airport that sparked his song “That’s What the Cross Is For,” this episode is a reminder that the gospel was never meant to become background noise—it was meant to transform everything.

Guest Bio

Cade Thompson is a Christian artist and songwriter based in Franklin, Tennessee. Originally from South Dakota, Cade has over 121 million lifetime streams and has toured with artists like Chris Tomlin, TobyMac, Newsboys, and Michael W. Smith. He is signed to Red Street Records and leads worship weekly at his local church, writing songs that reflect his passion for Jesus and the power of the gospel.

Episode Highlights
Why the message of the cross can lose its meaning
And how to rediscover the wonder of what Jesus has done
The story behind “That’s What the Cross Is For”
How a simple airport conversation became a defining song
How to stay spiritually fresh in worship and everyday life
Why your private time with God matters more than the platform
Fighting comparison as a Christian creative
Choosing kingdom perspective over personal success
What Gen Z is really looking for in worship
A shift toward authenticity, simplicity, and real encounters with God

Pull Quote

“WHEN YOU’VE BEEN WITH GOD IN PRIVATE, YOU DON’T HAVE TO TURN IT ON IN PUBLIC—IT JUST OVERFLOWS.”

Helpful Links
Instagram: https://instagram.com/cadethompson

Sponsor

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The cross is central to everything we believe. So why does it sometimes feel&hellip; familiar?
In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Cade Thompson opens up about a tension many Christians quietly carry&mdash;what happens when the message of the cross stops feeling powerful and starts feeling routine.
Growing up in church and now touring as a Christian artist, Cade shares how easy it is to lose the wonder of what Jesus has done&mdash;and how to find it again.
From a life-changing moment at summer camp to a simple conversation in an airport that sparked his song &ldquo;That&rsquo;s What the Cross Is For,&rdquo; this episode is a reminder that the gospel was never meant to become background noise&mdash;it was meant to transform everything.
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Guest Bio
Cade Thompson is a Christian artist and songwriter based in Franklin, Tennessee. Originally from South Dakota, Cade has over 121 million lifetime streams and has toured with artists like Chris Tomlin, TobyMac, Newsboys, and Michael W. Smith. He is signed to Red Street Records and leads worship weekly at his local church, writing songs that reflect his passion for Jesus and the power of the gospel.
<hr data-start="2320" data-end="2323">
Episode Highlights
<ul data-start="2352" data-end="2956">
<li data-section-id="1ivi2oj" data-start="2352" data-end="2469">Why the message of the cross can lose its meaning And how to rediscover the wonder of what Jesus has done</li>
<li data-section-id="heak2a" data-start="2471" data-end="2587">The story behind &ldquo;That&rsquo;s What the Cross Is For&rdquo; How a simple airport conversation became a defining song</li>
<li data-section-id="df0um6" data-start="2589" data-end="2721">How to stay spiritually fresh in worship and everyday life Why your private time with God matters more than the platform</li>
<li data-section-id="1eucxei" data-start="2723" data-end="2829">Fighting comparison as a Christian creative Choosing kingdom perspective over personal success</li>
<li data-section-id="1v7lzpp" data-start="2831" data-end="2956">What Gen Z is really looking for in worship A shift toward authenticity, simplicity, and real encounters with God</li>
</ul>
<hr data-start="2958" data-end="2961">
Pull Quote
&ldquo;WHEN YOU&rsquo;VE BEEN WITH GOD IN PRIVATE, YOU DON&rsquo;T HAVE TO TURN IT ON IN PUBLIC&mdash;IT JUST OVERFLOWS.&rdquo;
<hr data-start="3081" data-end="3084">
Helpful Links
<ul data-start="3108" data-end="3302">
<li data-section-id="12j9rdo" data-start="3108" data-end="3157">Instagram: <a data-start="3121" data-end="3155">https://instagram.com/cadethompson</a></li>
</ul>
<hr data-start="3304" data-end="3307">
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Cade Thompson: Why We Forget What the Cross Really Means

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This episode gets honest about something many worship leaders feel—but rarely say out loud.

Dan Rivera has led on big stages, written songs heard around the world, and helped shape worship culture in the Church. But in this conversation, he pulls things back to what actually sustains a life in ministry: humility, real relationships, and a faith that doesn’t depend on the platform.

Because the truth is—what people see on stage is only a window… not the whole life.

Guest Bio

Dan Rivera lives just outside New Orleans, Louisiana, where he serves as Worship Pastor at Church of the King. A songwriter, leader, and pastor, Dan is passionate about building healthy worship cultures that reach people and reflect the heart of the local church. He and his wife have been married for over 12 years and have three kids.

Episode Highlights
“Worship leading is a window—not the whole house”
Why what people see on stage doesn’t define your spiritual health
The hidden loneliness many worship leaders face
And how real relationships—not platforms—keep you grounded
Why your closest friends shouldn’t all be worship leaders
Breaking out of the “echo chamber” of ministry culture
The most important trait for anyone on a worship team
(Hint: it’s not talent)
How to lead with faith in an uncertain world
A simple but powerful framework: Is God real? Then His promises are too.

Pull Quote

“Worship leading is a window into your life—it’s not the whole picture.”

Helpful Links
Church of the King: https://churchoftheking.com
Listen to For The One album (search “Church of the King Worship”)

Sponsor

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This episode gets honest about something many worship leaders feel&mdash;but rarely say out loud.
Dan Rivera has led on big stages, written songs heard around the world, and helped shape worship culture in the Church. But in this conversation, he pulls things back to what actually sustains a life in ministry: humility, real relationships, and a faith that doesn&rsquo;t depend on the platform.
Because the truth is&mdash;what people see on stage is only a window&hellip; not the whole life.
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Guest Bio
Dan Rivera lives just outside New Orleans, Louisiana, where he serves as Worship Pastor at Church of the King. A songwriter, leader, and pastor, Dan is passionate about building healthy worship cultures that reach people and reflect the heart of the local church. He and his wife have been married for over 12 years and have three kids.
<hr data-start="1353" data-end="1356">
Episode Highlights
<ul data-start="1386" data-end="1973">
<li data-section-id="g73hxj" data-start="1386" data-end="1511">&ldquo;Worship leading is a window&mdash;not the whole house&rdquo; Why what people see on stage doesn&rsquo;t define your spiritual health</li>
<li data-section-id="g5siv2" data-start="1513" data-end="1629">The hidden loneliness many worship leaders face And how real relationships&mdash;not platforms&mdash;keep you grounded</li>
<li data-section-id="gc5psg" data-start="1631" data-end="1753">Why your closest friends shouldn&rsquo;t all be worship leaders Breaking out of the &ldquo;echo chamber&rdquo; of ministry culture</li>
<li data-section-id="trkwbe" data-start="1755" data-end="1842">The most important trait for anyone on a worship team (Hint: it&rsquo;s not talent)</li>
<li data-section-id="fauabi" data-start="1844" data-end="1973">How to lead with faith in an uncertain world A simple but powerful framework: Is God real? Then His promises are too.</li>
</ul>
<hr data-start="1975" data-end="1978">
Pull Quote
&ldquo;Worship leading is a window into your life&mdash;it&rsquo;s not the whole picture.&rdquo;
<hr data-start="2113" data-end="2116">
Helpful Links
<ul data-start="2141" data-end="2264">
<li data-section-id="1e0lljg" data-start="2141" data-end="2192">Church of the King: <a href="https://churchoftheking.com" data-start="2163" data-end="2190">https://churchoftheking.com</a></li>
<li data-section-id="13arxld" data-start="2193" data-end="2264">Listen to For The One album (search &ldquo;Church of the King Worship&rdquo;)</li>
</ul>
<hr data-start="2266" data-end="2269">
Sponsor
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Dan Rivera: The Worship Leader Trap No One Talks About

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This episode is about the quiet tension every worship leader feels—but doesn’t always say out loud.

Clayton Brooks has spent over 20 years in worship ministry, and in this conversation, he pulls back the curtain on what it really looks like to lead when no one’s responding, when insecurity creeps in, and when the line between worship and performance starts to blur.

From leading in highly produced environments to moments where everything stripped away, Clayton shares why the greatest danger in worship isn’t getting it wrong—it’s slowly shifting who you’re doing it for.

Guest Bio

Clayton Brooks lives in Stokesdale, North Carolina, where he serves as Worship Pastor at Calvary Church of Greensboro. He’s a songwriter, producer, and pastor with over two decades of experience in worship ministry. Clayton is passionate about helping the Church—especially worship leaders—live what they sing. He’s married to Aunie, and they have three sons: Connor, Cayden, and Asher.

Episode Highlights
“Who are you leading for?”
The subtle shift from leading people to God… to leading for people’s approval
Why crowd response can quietly shape your leadership
And how to stay grounded when the room feels disengaged
The tension between production and presence
Are we creating moments—or making space for God to move?
What worship really is (and what it’s not)
A needed reset for leaders navigating modern church culture
The power of simple, unfiltered worship
Why some of the most impactful moments happen when everything else falls away

Pull Quote

“Don’t let the room determine your leadership—lead from what God is doing in you.”

Helpful Links
Instagram: https://instagram.com/claytonbrooks
Calvary Church Greensboro: https://calvarychurch.com

Sponsor

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This episode is about the quiet tension every worship leader feels&mdash;but doesn&rsquo;t always say out loud.
Clayton Brooks has spent over 20 years in worship ministry, and in this conversation, he pulls back the curtain on what it really looks like to lead when no one&rsquo;s responding, when insecurity creeps in, and when the line between worship and performance starts to blur.
From leading in highly produced environments to moments where everything stripped away, Clayton shares why the greatest danger in worship isn&rsquo;t getting it wrong&mdash;it&rsquo;s slowly shifting who you&rsquo;re doing it for.
<hr data-start="938" data-end="941">
Guest Bio
Clayton Brooks lives in Stokesdale, North Carolina, where he serves as Worship Pastor at Calvary Church of Greensboro. He&rsquo;s a songwriter, producer, and pastor with over two decades of experience in worship ministry. Clayton is passionate about helping the Church&mdash;especially worship leaders&mdash;live what they sing. He&rsquo;s married to Aunie, and they have three sons: Connor, Cayden, and Asher.
<hr data-start="1351" data-end="1354">
Episode Highlights
<ul data-start="1384" data-end="1973">
<li data-section-id="17klstg" data-start="1384" data-end="1498">&ldquo;Who are you leading for?&rdquo; The subtle shift from leading people to God&hellip; to leading for people&rsquo;s approval</li>
<li data-section-id="9em1wt" data-start="1500" data-end="1618">Why crowd response can quietly shape your leadership And how to stay grounded when the room feels disengaged</li>
<li data-section-id="1mh8ysq" data-start="1620" data-end="1730">The tension between production and presence Are we creating moments&mdash;or making space for God to move?</li>
<li data-section-id="16fbjh" data-start="1732" data-end="1844">What worship really is (and what it&rsquo;s not) A needed reset for leaders navigating modern church culture</li>
<li data-section-id="ks2d1y" data-start="1846" data-end="1973">The power of simple, unfiltered worship Why some of the most impactful moments happen when everything else falls away</li>
</ul>
<hr data-start="1975" data-end="1978">
Pull Quote
&ldquo;Don&rsquo;t let the room determine your leadership&mdash;lead from what God is doing in you.&rdquo;
<hr data-start="2085" data-end="2088">
Helpful Links
<ul data-start="2113" data-end="2220">
<li data-section-id="fqy3c9" data-start="2113" data-end="2163">Instagram: <a data-start="2126" data-end="2161">https://instagram.com/claytonbrooks</a></li>
<li data-section-id="h8xy38" data-start="2164" data-end="2220">Calvary Church Greensboro: <a href="https://calvarychurch.com" data-start="2193" data-end="2218">https://calvarychurch.com</a></li>
</ul>
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Clayton Brooks: The Danger of Leading Worship for People

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Chris Clayton: Writing Worship Songs That Shape the Church

What does it really mean to write songs for the Church—not just for a moment, but for generations?

In this episode of The Walk, Chris Clayton shares his journey from a dream in Texas to becoming a trusted voice in worship songwriting and production in Nashville. With honesty and depth, Chris opens up about family, faith, discipline, and the responsibility of writing songs that don’t just sound good—but actually form people.

Guest Bio

Chris Clayton is a Nashville-based worship and CCM producer and songwriter signed to Story House Publishing, a creative venture led by Matthew West in partnership with Essential Music Publishing (Sony Music Entertainment).

Originally from Beaumont, Texas, Chris has worked with artists including Chris Tomlin, Keith & Kristyn Getty, Shane & Shane, Bethel Music, Meredith Andrews, and more. He is passionate about helping churches and artists create songs that are theologically grounded, musically strong, and built to serve the Church for generations.

Chris lives in the Nashville area with his wife Kara and their five children.

Episode Highlights
What does it mean to write a “legacy” worship song?
Chris explains the difference between songs that trend and songs that endure.
How do you balance calling, creativity, and family?
A real look at discipline, boundaries, and staying faithful in every season.
Are we writing for the Church—or for platforms?
A needed challenge to refocus on shepherding people through song.
Why does Scripture have to be the foundation of songwriting?
“Songwriting doesn’t start with vibes—it starts with Scripture.”
What is the Church missing in worship music today?
Chris shares why we need more songs about God’s character, the cross, and His faithfulness.

Pull Quote

“Songwriting doesn’t start with vibes—it starts with Scripture.”

Helpful Links

Website: https://www.chrisclaytonmusic.com/
Instagram: http://instagram.com/chrisclaytonmusic
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chrismclayton78

Sponsor

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Chris Clayton: Writing Worship Songs That Shape the Church
What does it really mean to write songs for the Church&mdash;not just for a moment, but for generations?
In this episode of The Walk, Chris Clayton shares his journey from a dream in Texas to becoming a trusted voice in worship songwriting and production in Nashville. With honesty and depth, Chris opens up about family, faith, discipline, and the responsibility of writing songs that don&rsquo;t just sound good&mdash;but actually form people.
<hr data-start="702" data-end="705">
Guest Bio
Chris Clayton is a Nashville-based worship and CCM producer and songwriter signed to Story House Publishing, a creative venture led by Matthew West in partnership with Essential Music Publishing (Sony Music Entertainment).
Originally from Beaumont, Texas, Chris has worked with artists including Chris Tomlin, Keith &amp; Kristyn Getty, Shane &amp; Shane, Bethel Music, Meredith Andrews, and more. He is passionate about helping churches and artists create songs that are theologically grounded, musically strong, and built to serve the Church for generations.
Chris lives in the Nashville area with his wife Kara and their five children.
<hr data-start="1359" data-end="1362">
Episode Highlights
<ul data-start="1392" data-end="2087">
<li data-section-id="5dr7v0" data-start="1392" data-end="1531">What does it mean to write a &ldquo;legacy&rdquo; worship song? Chris explains the difference between songs that trend and songs that endure.</li>
<li data-section-id="1yku2nn" data-start="1533" data-end="1671">How do you balance calling, creativity, and family? A real look at discipline, boundaries, and staying faithful in every season.</li>
<li data-section-id="15zcp8k" data-start="1673" data-end="1796">Are we writing for the Church&mdash;or for platforms? A needed challenge to refocus on shepherding people through song.</li>
<li data-section-id="1ji4jkr" data-start="1798" data-end="1933">Why does Scripture have to be the foundation of songwriting? &ldquo;Songwriting doesn&rsquo;t start with vibes&mdash;it starts with Scripture.&rdquo;</li>
<li data-section-id="1sd7nbe" data-start="1935" data-end="2087">What is the Church missing in worship music today? Chris shares why we need more songs about God&rsquo;s character, the cross, and His faithfulness.</li>
</ul>
<hr data-start="2089" data-end="2092">
Pull Quote
&ldquo;Songwriting doesn&rsquo;t start with vibes&mdash;it starts with Scripture.&rdquo;
<hr data-start="2179" data-end="2182">
Helpful Links
Website: <a href="https://www.chrisclaytonmusic.com/" data-start="2215" data-end="2249">https://www.chrisclaytonmusic.com/</a> Instagram: <a href="http://instagram.com/chrisclaytonmusic" data-start="2263" data-end="2301">http://instagram.com/chrisclaytonmusic</a> Facebook: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/chrismclayton78" data-start="2314" data-end="2353">http://www.facebook.com/chrismclayton78</a>
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Chris Clayton: Writing Worship Songs That Shape the Church

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What if your biggest project wasn’t just creative—but deeply spiritual? In this episode, Tommee Profitt shares how The Resurrection of a King was born out of surrender, obedience, and a powerful encounter with God that reshaped how he creates music.

About This Episode
Tommee Profitt is known for cinematic music that reaches billions—but behind the success is a story of calling, tension, and rediscovering worship. From producing chart-topping hits to creating faith-centered orchestral albums, Tommee opens up about the moment everything shifted—and why this project feels more important than anything he’s ever done.

What You’ll Hear in This Episode
How a 2AM moment led to The Resurrection of a King
Why Tommee says this project felt “downloaded from God”
The tension between mainstream success and spiritual calling
How he chooses the right voice for every song
His honest thoughts on AI, creativity, and staying grounded
Why obedience matters more than platform or recognition

Key Takeaway
Tommee reminds us that creativity isn’t just expression—it can be an act of surrender. When God is at the center, the goal shifts from success to impact.

Standout Moment
“It felt like these songs were downloaded to me—and I just got to hear them before everyone else.”

About Tommee Profitt
Tommee Profitt is a Nashville-based producer, songwriter, and composer whose work spans film, television, and mainstream music. With over 100 billion streams globally and collaborations with artists like NF, Avril Lavigne, and Josh Groban, Tommee is known for his cinematic sound. A former worship leader, his recent projects—including The Birth of a King and The Resurrection of a King—reflect a deep return to faith-driven creativity.

Links & Resources
Tommee Profitt: https://www.tommeeprofitt.com
Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tommeeprofitt

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What if your biggest project wasn&rsquo;t just creative&mdash;but deeply spiritual? In this episode, Tommee Profitt shares how The Resurrection of a King was born out of surrender, obedience, and a powerful encounter with God that reshaped how he creates music.
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About This Episode Tommee Profitt is known for cinematic music that reaches billions&mdash;but behind the success is a story of calling, tension, and rediscovering worship. From producing chart-topping hits to creating faith-centered orchestral albums, Tommee opens up about the moment everything shifted&mdash;and why this project feels more important than anything he&rsquo;s ever done.
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What You&rsquo;ll Hear in This Episode
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<li data-section-id="sdafsg" data-start="1500" data-end="1556">How a 2AM moment led to The Resurrection of a King</li>
<li data-section-id="rssouj" data-start="1557" data-end="1616">Why Tommee says this project felt &ldquo;downloaded from God&rdquo;</li>
<li data-section-id="1izsj1b" data-start="1617" data-end="1681">The tension between mainstream success and spiritual calling</li>
<li data-section-id="ssl1t3" data-start="1682" data-end="1733">How he chooses the right voice for every song</li>
<li data-section-id="h7q8ho" data-start="1734" data-end="1797">His honest thoughts on AI, creativity, and staying grounded</li>
<li data-section-id="1wouprh" data-start="1798" data-end="1857">Why obedience matters more than platform or recognition</li>
</ul>
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Key Takeaway Tommee reminds us that creativity isn&rsquo;t just expression&mdash;it can be an act of surrender. When God is at the center, the goal shifts from success to impact.
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Standout Moment &ldquo;It felt like these songs were downloaded to me&mdash;and I just got to hear them before everyone else.&rdquo;
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About Tommee Profitt Tommee Profitt is a Nashville-based producer, songwriter, and composer whose work spans film, television, and mainstream music. With over 100 billion streams globally and collaborations with artists like NF, Avril Lavigne, and Josh Groban, Tommee is known for his cinematic sound. A former worship leader, his recent projects&mdash;including The Birth of a King and The Resurrection of a King&mdash;reflect a deep return to faith-driven creativity.
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Links &amp; Resources
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<li data-section-id="bydjw5" data-start="2706" data-end="2755">Tommee Profitt: <a href="https://www.tommeeprofitt.com" data-start="2724" data-end="2753">https://www.tommeeprofitt.com</a></li>
<li data-section-id="7nimb7" data-start="2756" data-end="2820">Follow on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/tommeeprofitt" data-start="2779" data-end="2818">https://www.instagram.com/tommeeprofitt</a></li>
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Tommee Profitt: When God Took Over the Creative Process

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Real worship leadership begins long before the stage. In this episode of The Walk, Kurtis Parks sits down with worship pastor, mentor, and founder of The Worship Life, Amber Peairs, to talk about identity, leadership health, and why so many worship leaders quietly struggle behind the scenes.

Amber shares wisdom from more than three decades in worship ministry—along with hard-won lessons about calling, comparison, feedback culture, and learning to lead from a place of sonship rather than performance.

Guest Bio

Amber Peairs is a worship pastor, vocal coach, speaker, and mentor with more than 30 years of experience in full-time ministry. She is the founder of The Worship Life, an international training hub equipping worship pastors and teams to lead with clarity, excellence, and Kingdom impact. Amber provides coaching, courses, and resources for worship leaders while consulting with churches around the world. She is also a songwriter with five English albums and one Spanish album.

Episode Highlights

Why do worship teams struggle with culture?
Amber explains that one of the biggest challenges globally is helping teams rediscover their why and building a healthy culture rooted in biblical worship.

What is the biblical definition of worship?
Amber simplifies it powerfully: worship is love expressed. When teams understand this, it shifts the focus from performance to devotion.

How can leaders help volunteers grow in skill?
Develop a culture of feedback, mentorship, and intentional coaching so musicians continually “skill up” instead of coasting.

How should worship leaders handle comparison?
Amber encourages leaders to stay focused on their God-given assignment and resist measuring their calling against someone else’s platform.

What’s the biggest issue facing young worship leaders today?
Identity. When creatives tie their worth to their gifting instead of their identity in Christ, it leads to burnout, insecurity, and striving.

Pull Quote

“Your gifting is what you do — but your identity is who you are. When worship leaders confuse the two, ministry becomes striving instead of worship.”

Helpful Links

Amber Peairs
Website: https://www.theworshiplife.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amberpeairs
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@amberpeairs
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theworshiplifeofficial
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0Ub2M2bxb3xjiz20qZuWUf?si=lkAqGSesQPmzJ1v83IuIAQ

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Real worship leadership begins long before the stage. In this episode of The Walk, Kurtis Parks sits down with worship pastor, mentor, and founder of The Worship Life, Amber Peairs, to talk about identity, leadership health, and why so many worship leaders quietly struggle behind the scenes.
Amber shares wisdom from more than three decades in worship ministry&mdash;along with hard-won lessons about calling, comparison, feedback culture, and learning to lead from a place of sonship rather than performance.
Guest Bio
Amber Peairs is a worship pastor, vocal coach, speaker, and mentor with more than 30 years of experience in full-time ministry. She is the founder of The Worship Life, an international training hub equipping worship pastors and teams to lead with clarity, excellence, and Kingdom impact. Amber provides coaching, courses, and resources for worship leaders while consulting with churches around the world. She is also a songwriter with five English albums and one Spanish album.
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Episode Highlights
Why do worship teams struggle with culture? Amber explains that one of the biggest challenges globally is helping teams rediscover their why and building a healthy culture rooted in biblical worship.
What is the biblical definition of worship? Amber simplifies it powerfully: worship is love expressed. When teams understand this, it shifts the focus from performance to devotion.
How can leaders help volunteers grow in skill? Develop a culture of feedback, mentorship, and intentional coaching so musicians continually &ldquo;skill up&rdquo; instead of coasting.
How should worship leaders handle comparison? Amber encourages leaders to stay focused on their God-given assignment and resist measuring their calling against someone else&rsquo;s platform.
What&rsquo;s the biggest issue facing young worship leaders today? Identity. When creatives tie their worth to their gifting instead of their identity in Christ, it leads to burnout, insecurity, and striving.
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Pull Quote
&ldquo;Your gifting is what you do &mdash; but your identity is who you are. When worship leaders confuse the two, ministry becomes striving instead of worship.&rdquo;
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Helpful Links
Amber Peairs Website: <a href="https://www.theworshiplife.com" data-start="2636" data-end="2666">https://www.theworshiplife.com</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/amberpeairs" data-start="2680" data-end="2717">https://www.instagram.com/amberpeairs</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@amberpeairs" data-start="2729" data-end="2765">https://www.youtube.com/@amberpeairs</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/theworshiplifeofficial" data-start="2778" data-end="2825">https://www.facebook.com/theworshiplifeofficial</a> Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/0Ub2M2bxb3xjiz20qZuWUf?si=lkAqGSesQPmzJ1v83IuIAQ" data-start="2837" data-end="2917">https://open.spotify.com/artist/0Ub2M2bxb3xjiz20qZuWUf?si=lkAqGSesQPmzJ1v83IuIAQ</a>
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Amber Peairs: Why Worship Leaders Lose Their Identity (And How to Get It Back)

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When God disrupts what’s familiar, He’s often inviting us into deeper trust.
In this episode of The Walk, Kurtis Parks sits down with Jeff Deyo to talk about calling, pain, faithfulness, and what it really means to shepherd people—not just lead platforms.

In this conversation, you’ll hear Jeff and Kurtis talk about:


Why pastoring is less about performance and more about guiding people to God


How pain and disappointment often precede clarity in our calling


What it looks like to be “comfortable in the uncomfortable” as a follower of Jesus


Why the church doesn’t need more spectators—it needs more shepherded disciples


The difference between feeding sheep and teaching them how to graze


Staying rooted when it would be easier to walk away

Guest Bio

Jeff Deyo is the lead pastor of Trinity Church Waxahachie in Waxahachie, Texas, near Dallas. He is an author, speaker, leadership coach, and longtime worship leader best known as the former lead singer of the Grammy-nominated, Dove Award-winning band Sonicflood. Jeff has written and recorded over 75 songs, authored several books on worship and leadership, and served for 14 years as a professor at North Central University in Minneapolis. Today, Jeff’s heart is centered on pastoring people into deeper intimacy with God, raising up disciples, and helping leaders live rooted, Spirit-led lives.

Pull Quote

“The only place God wants you to be comfortable is in the uncomfortable—because that’s where faith actually grows.”

Helpful Links

https://www.jeffdeyo.com
https://www.instagram.com/jeffdeyo

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When God disrupts what&rsquo;s familiar, He&rsquo;s often inviting us into deeper trust. In this episode of The Walk, Kurtis Parks sits down with Jeff Deyo to talk about calling, pain, faithfulness, and what it really means to shepherd people&mdash;not just lead platforms.
In this conversation, you&rsquo;ll hear Jeff and Kurtis talk about:
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<li data-start="691" data-end="771">
Why pastoring is less about performance and more about guiding people to God
</li>
<li data-start="772" data-end="840">
How pain and disappointment often precede clarity in our calling
</li>
<li data-start="841" data-end="927">
What it looks like to be &ldquo;comfortable in the uncomfortable&rdquo; as a follower of Jesus
</li>
<li data-start="928" data-end="1010">
Why the church doesn&rsquo;t need more spectators&mdash;it needs more shepherded disciples
</li>
<li data-start="1011" data-end="1082">
The difference between feeding sheep and teaching them how to graze
</li>
<li data-start="1083" data-end="1138">
Staying rooted when it would be easier to walk away
</li>
</ul>
Guest Bio
Jeff Deyo is the lead pastor of Trinity Church Waxahachie in Waxahachie, Texas, near Dallas. He is an author, speaker, leadership coach, and longtime worship leader best known as the former lead singer of the Grammy-nominated, Dove Award-winning band Sonicflood. Jeff has written and recorded over 75 songs, authored several books on worship and leadership, and served for 14 years as a professor at North Central University in Minneapolis. Today, Jeff&rsquo;s heart is centered on pastoring people into deeper intimacy with God, raising up disciples, and helping leaders live rooted, Spirit-led lives.
Pull Quote
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&ldquo;The only place God wants you to be comfortable is in the uncomfortable&mdash;because that&rsquo;s where faith actually grows.&rdquo;
</blockquote>
Helpful Links
<a href="https://www.jeffdeyo.com" data-start="1920" data-end="1944">https://www.jeffdeyo.com</a> <a data-start="1947" data-end="1981">https://www.instagram.com/jeffdeyo</a>
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Jeff Deyo: Getting Comfortable in the Uncomfortable When God Calls You Deeper

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In a divided and distracted age, what does it really mean for the Church to be the hope of the world? In this rich and wide-ranging conversation, Kurtis Parks sits down with theologian, worship pastor, and author Steven Félix-Jäger to rediscover the Church’s calling to live as a people of Jubilee.

Episode 160
Hosted by Kurtis Parks

Steven invites us to zoom out—beyond our local context, beyond our political moment—and see the global, Spirit-filled movement of God through His Church.

In This Episode, We Talk About:


What Scripture really says about the Church as the “hope of the world”


The biblical meaning of Jubilee—and how it shapes Christian generosity


Why being rooted in a local church still matters in a post-2020 world


The danger of interpreting ancient Scripture through a narrow modern lens


How worship unites the global Church across cultures and denominations


Writing songs from the real stories happening in your congregation


Major on the majors: how to lead worship with theological clarity and unity

About Steven Félix-Jäger

Steven Félix-Jäger is Associate Professor of Theology & Worship, Chair of Worship & Media, and Director of Academic Research at Life Pacific University in Southern California. A theologian, exhibiting artist, songwriter, and producer, he is the author or co-author of eight books exploring worship, aesthetics, theology, and culture.

Born on the mission field in Schillingsfürst, Germany to a Puerto Rican and German family, Steven brings a deeply global perspective to his work in the Church. He serves as a worship pastor at Pasadena Foursquare Church and lives in Southern California with his wife Connie, daughter Mila, and their dog Biggie.

His latest book, How to Worship for All Its Worth: A Guide for Pastors, Worship Leaders, and Students, is available now.

Helpful Links

How to Worship for All Its Worth (Book):
https://www.amazon.com/How-Worship-All-Its-Worth/dp/0310172667

Life Pacific University:
https://lifepacific.edu

Pasadena Foursquare Church:
https://pasadenafoursquare.com

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In a divided and distracted age, what does it really mean for the Church to be the hope of the world? In this rich and wide-ranging conversation, Kurtis Parks sits down with theologian, worship pastor, and author Steven F&eacute;lix-J&auml;ger to rediscover the Church&rsquo;s calling to live as a people of Jubilee.
Episode 160 Hosted by Kurtis Parks
Steven invites us to zoom out&mdash;beyond our local context, beyond our political moment&mdash;and see the global, Spirit-filled movement of God through His Church.
In This Episode, We Talk About:
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<li data-start="648" data-end="720">
What Scripture really says about the Church as the &ldquo;hope of the world&rdquo;
</li>
<li data-start="721" data-end="793">
The biblical meaning of Jubilee&mdash;and how it shapes Christian generosity
</li>
<li data-start="794" data-end="865">
Why being rooted in a local church still matters in a post-2020 world
</li>
<li data-start="866" data-end="941">
The danger of interpreting ancient Scripture through a narrow modern lens
</li>
<li data-start="942" data-end="1014">
How worship unites the global Church across cultures and denominations
</li>
<li data-start="1015" data-end="1083">
Writing songs from the real stories happening in your congregation
</li>
<li data-start="1084" data-end="1161">
Major on the majors: how to lead worship with theological clarity and unity
</li>
</ul>
<hr data-start="1163" data-end="1166">
About Steven F&eacute;lix-J&auml;ger
Steven F&eacute;lix-J&auml;ger is Associate Professor of Theology &amp; Worship, Chair of Worship &amp; Media, and Director of Academic Research at Life Pacific University in Southern California. A theologian, exhibiting artist, songwriter, and producer, he is the author or co-author of eight books exploring worship, aesthetics, theology, and culture.
Born on the mission field in Schillingsf&uuml;rst, Germany to a Puerto Rican and German family, Steven brings a deeply global perspective to his work in the Church. He serves as a worship pastor at Pasadena Foursquare Church and lives in Southern California with his wife Connie, daughter Mila, and their dog Biggie.
His latest book, How to Worship for All Its Worth: A Guide for Pastors, Worship Leaders, and Students, is available now.
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Helpful Links
How to Worship for All Its Worth (Book): <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Worship-All-Its-Worth/dp/0310172667" data-start="2218" data-end="2280">https://www.amazon.com/How-Worship-All-Its-Worth/dp/0310172667</a>
Life Pacific University: <a href="https://lifepacific.edu" data-start="2311" data-end="2334">https://lifepacific.edu</a>
Pasadena Foursquare Church: <a data-start="2368" data-end="2398">https://pasadenafoursquare.com</a>
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Steven Félix-Jäger: Bringing Jubilee to the Church and the World

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In this episode of The Walk, Kurtis Parks sits down with pastor-turned-maker Derek Welborn to tell a story that starts with loss, wrestles through identity, and unfolds into unexpected calling. What began as a painful journey through alopecia became the soil God used to birth Saints Western—and a deeper trust in His timing.

Episode 159
Host: Kurtis Parks

In This Episode, You’ll Hear:


How losing his hair forced Derek to confront identity, fear, and faith


Why unanswered prayers can still become sacred turning points


The role community plays when God invites us to step out in faith


How Saints Western was born from pain, craftsmanship, and obedience


What it looks like to follow God when the next step feels unclear

Guest Bio

Derek Welborn lives in Austin, Texas, with his wife Jill and their daughters, Jaymes and Gray. After 15 years in full-time ministry, Derek stepped into a new season when a battle with severe alopecia disrupted everything he thought he knew about calling and identity. What began as a deeply personal loss became the birthplace of Saints Western, a brand rooted in craftsmanship, legacy, and faith. Today, Derek continues to tell redemptive stories—through community, creativity, and a life surrendered to God’s leading.

Pull Quote

“WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE END OF MY STORY WAS ACTUALLY THE PLACE GOD STARTED WRITING A NEW ONE.”

Helpful Links

https://www.saintswestern.com
https://www.instagram.com/derekwelborn
https://www.instagram.com/saintswestern

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In this episode of The Walk, Kurtis Parks sits down with pastor-turned-maker Derek Welborn to tell a story that starts with loss, wrestles through identity, and unfolds into unexpected calling. What began as a painful journey through alopecia became the soil God used to birth Saints Western&mdash;and a deeper trust in His timing.
Episode 159 Host: Kurtis Parks
In This Episode, You&rsquo;ll Hear:
<ul data-start="763" data-end="1115">
<li data-start="763" data-end="837">
How losing his hair forced Derek to confront identity, fear, and faith
</li>
<li data-start="838" data-end="903">
Why unanswered prayers can still become sacred turning points
</li>
<li data-start="904" data-end="973">
The role community plays when God invites us to step out in faith
</li>
<li data-start="974" data-end="1045">
How Saints Western was born from pain, craftsmanship, and obedience
</li>
<li data-start="1046" data-end="1115">
What it looks like to follow God when the next step feels unclear
</li>
</ul>
Guest Bio
Derek Welborn lives in Austin, Texas, with his wife Jill and their daughters, Jaymes and Gray. After 15 years in full-time ministry, Derek stepped into a new season when a battle with severe alopecia disrupted everything he thought he knew about calling and identity. What began as a deeply personal loss became the birthplace of Saints Western, a brand rooted in craftsmanship, legacy, and faith. Today, Derek continues to tell redemptive stories&mdash;through community, creativity, and a life surrendered to God&rsquo;s leading.
Pull Quote
&ldquo;WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE END OF MY STORY WAS ACTUALLY THE PLACE GOD STARTED WRITING A NEW ONE.&rdquo;
Helpful Links
<a href="https://www.saintswestern.com" data-start="1799" data-end="1828">https://www.saintswestern.com</a> <a data-start="1831" data-end="1869">https://www.instagram.com/derekwelborn</a> <a data-start="1872" data-end="1911">https://www.instagram.com/saintswestern</a>
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Derek Welborn: When a Season of Loss Becomes a Calling

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Part of the Worship Leader Magazine Podcast Network, The Walk is a weekly devotional podcast where faith meets story in powerful, personal ways.

Each episode features a first-person devotional from a worship leader, pastor, artist, or creative—believers who don’t just lead worship, but live it. These aren’t interviews; they’re heartfelt testimonies about walking with God in the highs and lows, the mundane and miraculous.

Produced by Worship Leader Magazine, a trusted resource in worship ministry for over 30 years, The Walk equips and encourages worshipers to cultivate a lifestyle of Spirit-led worship beyond the platform.

Whether you’re a seasoned leader or just beginning your journey, these stories will help you walk closer with Jesus.

Explore every episode:worshipleader.com/podcasts

Part of the Worship Leader Magazine Podcast Network, The Walk is a weekly devotional podcast where faith meets story in powerful, personal ways.
Each episode features a first-person devotional from a worship leader, pastor, artist, or creative&mdash;believers who don&rsquo;t just lead worship, but live it. These aren&rsquo;t interviews; they&rsquo;re heartfelt testimonies about walking with God in the highs and lows, the mundane and miraculous.
Produced by Worship Leader Magazine, a trusted resource in worship ministry for over 30 years, The Walk equips and encourages worshipers to cultivate a lifestyle of Spirit-led worship beyond the platform.
Whether you&rsquo;re a seasoned leader or just beginning your journey, these stories will help you walk closer with Jesus.
Explore every episode: <a href="https://worshipleader.com/podcasts/" data-start="1072" data-end="1137">worshipleader.com/podcasts</a>

Worship Leaders are more than just musicians and performers. These leaders and creatives walk with God daily and can bring a good word to the Body of Christ.

The Walk: A Devotional Podcast from Worship Leader Magazine

The Walk Podcast shares real conversations with worshippers—moments when faith was tested, obedience cost something, and God showed up.

You’ll hear the struggle.
You’ll hear the choice.
You’ll hear what God did.

Because faith isn’t just a moment—it’s a walk. And you don’t have to walk it alone.

Hosted by Bay Turner
Part of the Worship Leader Magazine Podcast Network

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Learn more: worshipleader.com/podcast/the-walk
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The Walk Podcast shares real conversations with worshippers&mdash;moments when faith was tested, obedience cost something, and God showed up.
You&rsquo;ll hear the struggle. You&rsquo;ll hear the choice. You&rsquo;ll hear what God did.
Because faith isn&rsquo;t just a moment&mdash;it&rsquo;s a walk. And you don&rsquo;t have to walk it alone.
Hosted by <a href="https://www.bayturner.com/">Bay Turner</a> Part of the <a href="https://worshipleader.com/podcasts/">Worship Leader Magazine Podcast Network</a>
Explore every episode: <a href="https://www.worshipleader.com/podcasts" data-start="773" data-end="841">worshipleader.com/podcasts</a> Learn more: <a href="https://worshipleader.com/podcast/the-walk" data-start="856" data-end="936">worshipleader.com/podcast/the-walk</a> Subscribe on your favorite platform: <a href="https://pod.link/1631583177" data-start="976" data-end="1026">pod.link/1631583177</a>

The Walk Podcast: Faith in the Real World

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