Patricia Ermecheo always knew she would build something. She just didn’t know what — until she saw mountains of discarded clothing headed for landfills. When she couldn’t find a way to break textiles back down into usable fiber, she built one. That company became OSOMTEX. But building a solution no one else has figured out comes at a cost. The same drive that powered Patricia forward pushed her toward burnout, putting both her health and her company at risk. 

 

In this episode, Ben and Kathleen talk with Patricia about the isolation of entrepreneurship, navigating partnerships with major brands as a small player and why sometimes going backward through the supply chain is the only way forward. These are The Unshakeables.

Patricia Ermecheo always knew she would build something. She just didn&rsquo;t know what &mdash; until she saw mountains of discarded clothing headed for landfills. When she couldn&rsquo;t find a way to break textiles back down into usable fiber, she built one. That company became OSOMTEX. But building a solution no one else has figured out comes at a cost. The same drive that powered Patricia forward pushed her toward burnout, putting both her health and her company at risk.&nbsp;
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In this episode, Ben and Kathleen talk with Patricia about the isolation of entrepreneurship, navigating partnerships with major brands as a small player and why sometimes going backward through the supply chain is the only way forward. These are The Unshakeables.

Unravel, Rebuild, Repeat: OSOMTEX

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Millionaire-making tech start-ups are most often associated with Silicon Valley. But this software revolution begins on a woman’s kitchen table in rural Britain in the 1960s. Steve Shirley faced extraordinary odds. After escaping Nazi Germany as a child, she later encountered workplace discrimination and endured deep personal tragedy. But she persevered to build a business decades ahead of its time, creating opportunities for hundreds of women.

Tim Harford is joined by Ben Walter, CEO of Chase for Business and host of The Unshakeables podcast, to explore the life, legacy and lessons of an overlooked titan of tech.

Millionaire-making tech start-ups are most often associated with Silicon Valley. But this software revolution begins on a woman&rsquo;s kitchen table in rural Britain in the 1960s. Steve Shirley faced extraordinary odds. After escaping Nazi Germany as a child, she later encountered workplace discrimination and endured deep personal tragedy. But she persevered to build a business decades ahead of its time, creating opportunities for hundreds of women.
Tim Harford is joined by Ben Walter, CEO of Chase for Business and host of <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-unshakeables/id1725983618">The Unshakeables</a> podcast, to explore the life, legacy and lessons of an overlooked titan of tech.

The Refugee Who Led a Software Revolution - with Ben Walter

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Everyone's talking about AI. In boardrooms, in government and around the kitchen tables — it's everywhere. But what does it actually mean for small businesses, and how are they using it to get ahead?

 

Recorded live at South by Southwest, Ben and Kathleen are joined onstage by Oz Woloshyn — journalist, CEO of Kaleidoscope tech podcast network and a small business owner himself — to cut through the noise and focus on what AI actually means for the people running businesses day to day. Kathleen also shares how several past guests are already putting AI to work. You’ll hear real examples with real impact, and learn whether this moment finally tips the scales in favor of small business owners.

Everyone's talking about AI. In boardrooms, in government and around the kitchen tables &mdash; it's everywhere. But what does it actually mean for small businesses, and how are they using it to get ahead?
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Recorded live at South by Southwest, Ben and Kathleen are joined onstage by Oz Woloshyn &mdash; journalist, CEO of Kaleidoscope tech podcast network and a small business owner himself &mdash; to cut through the noise and focus on what AI actually means for the people running businesses day to day. Kathleen also shares how several past guests are already putting AI to work. You&rsquo;ll hear real examples with real impact, and learn whether this moment finally tips the scales in favor of small business owners.

Is AI Here to Help You Grow, Build, or Replace Your Business?: Live from SXSW

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Nubia Perez had a plan for her life — marry abroad, raise trilingual kids and build something global. But when her father fell ill, Gretna Machine Shop needed her more than her plans did. The family business was suddenly without direction, and Nubia stepped in to put out fires. But the business didn’t need a firefighter — it needed a leader. For a decade, both Nubia and the company muddled through what she calls the "dark ages," until one day, a children's movie gave her the answer she'd been looking for. 

Join Ben Walter and Kathleen Griffith as they talk to Nubia about stepping up unexpectedly, building an oil and gas business in Houston (it’s a good place for it!), and why flat leadership doesn’t mean leaderless. These are The Unshakeables.

Nubia Perez had a plan for her life &mdash; marry abroad, raise trilingual kids and build something global. But when her father fell ill, Gretna Machine Shop needed her more than her plans did. The family business was suddenly without direction, and Nubia stepped in to put out fires. But the business didn&rsquo;t need a firefighter &mdash; it needed a leader. For a decade, both Nubia and the company muddled through what she calls the "dark ages," until one day, a children's movie gave her the answer she'd been looking for.&nbsp;
Join Ben Walter and Kathleen Griffith as they talk to Nubia about stepping up unexpectedly, building an oil and gas business in Houston (it&rsquo;s a good place for it!), and why flat leadership doesn&rsquo;t mean leaderless. These are The Unshakeables.

Who’s Running the Shop?: Gretna Machine Shop

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Work doesn’t end when the workday does. Even after we close our laptops, our minds keep replaying awkward meetings, looming deadlines, and unfinished to-do lists. Over time, that “always on” mentality can quietly hijack our relationships, our health, and our happiness.

Dr. Laurie sits down with psychologist and bestselling author Guy Winch (Mind Over Grind: How to Break Free When Work Hijacks Your Life) to explore the science of work stress — and why so many of us get stuck in fight-or-flight mode long after we’ve left the office. 

Plus, Ben Walter, host of “The Unshakeables” and CEO of Chase for Business, shares what he’s learned from working with small business owners who don’t have the option to simply “clock out.”

If you’ve ever felt like work is bleeding into everything, this episode offers science-based tools to help you take your life back.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Mind Over Grind: How to Break Free When Work Hijacks Your Life

"Burnout: A Review of Theory and Measurement"

"The Relationship Between Workplace Stressors and Mortality and Health Costs in the United States"

"How Small Businesses Drive the American Economy"

"Small Business Facts"

“The Unshakeables”

"Yerkes-Dodson Law Of Arousal And Performance"

“The Use of Imagery to Manipulate Challenge and Threat Appraisal States in Athletes”

“Rebuilding After a Blaze: Luna Gourmet Coffee & Tea”

Work doesn&rsquo;t end when the workday does. Even after we close our laptops, our minds keep replaying awkward meetings, looming deadlines, and unfinished to-do lists. Over time, that &ldquo;always on&rdquo; mentality can quietly hijack our relationships, our health, and our happiness.
Dr. Laurie sits down with psychologist and bestselling author Guy Winch (<a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/mind-over-grind/id6747038189">Mind Over Grind: How to Break Free When Work Hijacks Your Life</a>) to explore the science of work stress &mdash; and why so many of us get stuck in fight-or-flight mode long after we&rsquo;ve left the office.&nbsp;
Plus, Ben Walter, host of &ldquo;<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-unshakeables/id1725983618">The Unshakeables</a>&rdquo; and CEO of&nbsp;Chase&nbsp;for&nbsp;Business, shares what he&rsquo;s learned from working with small&nbsp;business&nbsp;owners who don&rsquo;t have the option to simply &ldquo;clock out.&rdquo;
If you&rsquo;ve ever felt like work is bleeding into everything, this episode offers science-based tools to help you take your life back.
Resources mentioned in this episode:
<a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/mind-over-grind/id6747038189">Mind Over Grind: How to Break Free When Work Hijacks Your Life</a>
"<a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8834764/">Burnout: A Review of Theory and Measurement</a>"
"<a href="https://pubsonline.informs.org/doi/10.1287/mnsc.2014.2115">The Relationship Between Workplace Stressors and Mortality and Health Costs in the United States</a>"
"<a href="https://www.forbes.com/councils/forbesbusinesscouncil/2022/03/25/how-small-businesses-drive-the-american-economy/">How Small Businesses Drive the American Economy</a>"
"<a href="https://advocacy.sba.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Job_Creation_fact_sheet_FINAL_0.pdf">Small Business Facts</a>"
&ldquo;<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-unshakeables/id1725983618">The Unshakeables</a>&rdquo;
"<a href="https://www.simplypsychology.org/what-is-the-yerkes-dodson-law.html">Yerkes-Dodson Law Of Arousal And Performance</a>"
&ldquo;<a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20587822/">The Use of Imagery to Manipulate Challenge and Threat Appraisal States in Athletes</a>&rdquo;
&ldquo;<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/rebuilding-after-a-blaze-luna-gourmet-coffee-tea/id1725983618?i=1000642623023">Rebuilding After a Blaze: Luna Gourmet Coffee &amp; Tea</a>&rdquo;

How to Stop Work From Taking Over Your Life

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There are movies about how a dog can change your life — but for Dr. Laura Surovi and Michael Sivo, it actually happened. Laura had recently built a successful mobile vet practice, but the long drives were exhausting. Then in 2016, they met Chauncy, a rescue with serious injuries and no local rehab options. Watching him struggle they knew their community needed something better. So Laura built a veterinary rehab service herself and business took off. Then Michael pitched something bigger: a 6,000-square-foot state-of-the-art facility. It was a bold, risky and expensive move, but just what they needed to scale. 

In this episode, Ben Walter and Kathleen Griffith talk with Laura and Michael from Cleveland Veterinary Rehabilitation about going all-in when the market isn't quite ready, building for what's next and trusting your gut when no one else sees your vision yet. These are The Unshakeables.

There are movies about how a dog can change your life &mdash; but for Dr. Laura Surovi and Michael Sivo, it actually happened. Laura had recently built a successful mobile vet practice, but the long drives were exhausting. Then in 2016, they met Chauncy, a rescue with serious injuries and no local rehab options. Watching him struggle they knew their community needed something better. So Laura built a veterinary rehab service herself and business took off. Then Michael pitched something bigger: a 6,000-square-foot state-of-the-art facility. It was a bold, risky and expensive move, but just what they needed to scale.&nbsp;
In this episode, Ben Walter and Kathleen Griffith talk with Laura and Michael from Cleveland Veterinary Rehabilitation about going all-in when the market isn't quite ready, building for what's next and trusting your gut when no one else sees your vision yet. These are The Unshakeables.

For the Love of Dogs: Cleveland Veterinary Rehabilitation

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Dr. Victor Van Berkel lost his father to lung cancer — the deadliest cancer in the U.S., in part because it’s so difficult to detect early. That loss inspired Breath Diagnostics, a start-up using breath samples and microchip technology to identify cancer. But groundbreaking science doesn’t always translate into a sustainable business. After years of stalled leadership and mounting debt, investor Ivan Lo stepped in — buying the debt, restructuring the company and becoming CEO. When a Mayo Clinic partnership revealed they needed to fix some technical issues first, they hit pause to get it right — even if it meant going it alone for a while.

 

In this episode, Ben Walter and Kathleen Griffith speak with Victor and Ivan about making hard bets, the real costs and rewards of scientific startups and why leading with conviction sometimes matters more than consensus. These are The Unshakeables.

Dr. Victor Van Berkel lost his father to lung cancer &mdash; the deadliest cancer in the U.S., in part because it&rsquo;s so difficult to detect early. That loss inspired Breath Diagnostics, a start-up using breath samples and microchip technology to identify cancer. But groundbreaking science doesn&rsquo;t always translate into a sustainable business. After years of stalled leadership and mounting debt, investor Ivan Lo stepped in &mdash; buying the debt, restructuring the company and becoming CEO. When a Mayo Clinic partnership revealed they needed to fix some technical issues first, they hit pause to get it right &mdash; even if it meant going it alone for a while.
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In this episode, Ben Walter and Kathleen Griffith speak with Victor and Ivan about making hard bets, the real costs and rewards of scientific startups and why leading with conviction sometimes matters more than consensus. These are The Unshakeables.

The Business of Early Detection: Breath Diagnostics

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Terry Iverson grew up in the family machine tool business, eventually becoming the third-generation CEO of Iverson & Company. But as American manufacturing declined, Terry knew the legacy he inherited wasn’t enough — he needed to create something new.  

 

In this episode, Ben Walter and Kathleen Griffith sit down with Terry to talk about what it means to walk away from a century-old business, and why he created CHAMPION Now! to rebuild interest in American manufacturing, using songwriting, youth outreach and hands-on education as tools for change. This one’s about legacy, reinvention and the long game of saving an industry. These are The Unshakeables.

Terry Iverson grew up in the family machine tool business, eventually becoming the third-generation CEO of Iverson &amp; Company. But as American manufacturing declined, Terry knew the legacy he inherited wasn&rsquo;t enough &mdash; he needed to create something new.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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In this episode, Ben Walter and Kathleen Griffith&nbsp;sit down with Terry to talk about what it means to walk away from a century-old business, and why he created&nbsp;CHAMPION&nbsp;Now! to rebuild interest in American manufacturing, using songwriting, youth outreach and hands-on education as tools for change. This one&rsquo;s about legacy, reinvention and the long game of saving an industry. These are The Unshakeables.

Inspiring the Future of Manufacturing: CHAMPION Now!

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Transitioning your business isn’t something that happens overnight — it takes thoughtful planning to make sure everything goes smoothly. In this special episode of The Unshakeables, Ben sits with Adam Frank, Head of Wealth Planning and Advice, at JPMorgan Chase as they break down the steps every business owner should take to prepare for the future, whether passing a business on to a family member, a partner, or selling to a third party. Ben and Adam discuss the importance of setting up a solid succession plan while also managing the financial, legal, and emotional side of transition.

Transitioning your business isn&rsquo;t something that happens overnight &mdash; it takes thoughtful planning to make sure everything goes smoothly. In this special episode of&nbsp;The Unshakeables, Ben sits with Adam Frank, Head of Wealth Planning and Advice, at JPMorgan Chase as they break down the steps every business owner should take to prepare for the future, whether passing a business on to a family member, a partner, or selling to a third party. Ben and Adam discuss the importance of setting up a solid succession plan while also managing the financial, legal, and emotional side of transition.

Succession Planning for Small Businesses: Special Topic

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Ron and Kelly Moore started in the family business young — Ron in the warehouse, Kelly on the phones. They built careers expecting to take over one day. But when their father passed away, those plans unraveled. Their stepmother, now in control, shut them out. They went their separate ways until Ron called Kelly with an idea: start again, from scratch. 

That call became Moore United Construction which allowed the siblings to rebuild what was taken and even fight new betrayals, including a project manager who quietly siphoned off clients. But they’re not interested in grudges. For Ron and Kelly, it’s about the work, the team and giving back — especially to veterans, a community they’re proud to serve. In this episode, Ben and Kathleen talk with Ron and Kelly about the reality of rebuilding a business, the complexity of family dynamics and the power of a shared mission. These are The Unshakeables

Ron and Kelly Moore started in the family business young &mdash; Ron in the warehouse, Kelly on the phones. They built careers expecting to take over one day. But when their father passed away, those plans unraveled. Their stepmother, now in control, shut them out. They went their separate ways until Ron called Kelly with an idea: start again, from scratch.&nbsp;
That call became Moore United Construction which allowed the siblings to rebuild what was taken and even fight new betrayals, including a project manager who quietly siphoned off clients. But they&rsquo;re not interested in grudges. For Ron and Kelly, it&rsquo;s about the work, the team and giving back &mdash; especially to veterans, a community they&rsquo;re proud to serve. In this episode, Ben and Kathleen talk with Ron and Kelly about the reality of rebuilding a business, the complexity of family dynamics and the power of a shared mission. These are The Unshakeables

Service as the Foundation: Moore United Construction

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The Unshakeables podcast dives into inspiring stories from real small business owners across America who power their communities every day. Join Ben Walter, CEO of Chase for Business, and co-host Kathleen Griffith as they hear from guests who share their make-or-break moments that changed everything. Produced in collaboration with iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio, The Unshakeables has won multiple awards, including Gold at the 2025 Signal Awards. The speakers’ opinions belong to them and may differ from opinions of J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. and its affiliates. Views presented on this podcast are those of the speakers; they are as of the podcast release date and they may not materialize. JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A. Member FDIC. ©2026 JPMorgan Chase & Co.

The Unshakeables podcast dives into inspiring stories from real small business owners across America who power their communities every day. Join Ben Walter, CEO of Chase for Business, and co-host Kathleen Griffith as they hear from guests who share their make-or-break moments that changed everything. Produced in collaboration with iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio, The Unshakeables has won multiple awards, including Gold at the 2025 Signal Awards. The speakers&rsquo; opinions belong to them and may differ from opinions of J.P. Morgan Chase &amp; Co. and its affiliates. Views presented on this podcast are those of the speakers; they are as of the podcast release date and they may not materialize. JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A. Member FDIC. &copy;2026 JPMorgan Chase &amp; Co.

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