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So we have Max Lugavier with us here today.

So we have Max Lugavier with us here today.

He is a longevity expert, health and science journalist, and the author of the New York Times best selling Genius book series. So it's Genius Kitchen, Genius Foods, Genius Life, and we're hope he's a genius so he can tell us all about how to be healthier.

He is a longevity expert, health and science journalist, and the author of the New York Times best selling Genius book series. So it's Genius Kitchen, Genius Foods, Genius Life, and we're hope he's a genius so he can tell us all about how to be healthier.

Max, welcome, thank.

Max, welcome, thank.

You so much for having me as an honor.

You so much for having me as an honor.

Absolutely, so I've been like scrolling through your stuff and going through your Twitter account and everything, and there's just there is so much. We can't even get to it in the time that we have, but there's so much going on. One of the things that is kind of near and dear to my heart is the fact that RFK Junior came out and said that he was going to look at some of these antidepressants and anti anxiety meds and people went crazy about it, which is I think kind of twofold. There's a strong addiction to these medications. People are very upset about letting it go, but not even just letting it go, researching what it's actually doing is scary to people.

Absolutely, so I've been like scrolling through your stuff and going through your Twitter account and everything, and there's just there is so much. We can't even get to it in the time that we have, but there's so much going on. One of the things that is kind of near and dear to my heart is the fact that RFK Junior came out and said that he was going to look at some of these antidepressants and anti anxiety meds and people went crazy about it, which is I think kind of twofold. There's a strong addiction to these medications. People are very upset about letting it go, but not even just letting it go, researching what it's actually doing is scary to people.

Why is that happening?

Why is that happening?

Yeah, I mean it's a great place to start the conversation. I think nuance needs to be brought to the conversation. Of course, everybody today is so polarized and so inflamed about so many different topics, right, But with regards to the anti depressant issue, we have an over prescription problem in this country. Which isn't to say that we also have an access to medication issue in this country as well, but these kinds of drugs now are being prescribed almost as if from a pez dispenser, which you know, I might be revealing my age.

Yeah, I mean it's a great place to start the conversation. I think nuance needs to be brought to the conversation. Of course, everybody today is so polarized and so inflamed about so many different topics, right, But with regards to the anti depressant issue, we have an over prescription problem in this country. Which isn't to say that we also have an access to medication issue in this country as well, but these kinds of drugs now are being prescribed almost as if from a pez dispenser, which you know, I might be revealing my age.

I don't know if those things still exist, but.

I don't know if those things still exist, but.

No, they do. You're safe, they do, Okay, I'm saying, cool.

No, they do. You're safe, they do, Okay, I'm saying, cool.

Yeah, it's a it's a huge problem. I mean today, many people I think last I checked, in general, one in ten people are on some kind of antidepressant drug, but that proportion shoots up to one in four for you know, certain demographics, for example, women over forty, and you know, we have to ask ourselves, what is the root cause of the malaise that so many people seem to be feeling.

Yeah, it's a it's a huge problem. I mean today, many people I think last I checked, in general, one in ten people are on some kind of antidepressant drug, but that proportion shoots up to one in four for you know, certain demographics, for example, women over forty, and you know, we have to ask ourselves, what is the root cause of the malaise that so many people seem to be feeling.

Is it due to.

Is it due to.

A SSRI deficiency? I don't think so that would be unusual.

A SSRI deficiency? I don't think so that would be unusual.

Well, I so here's a question for you, because I believe it's like, oh, we've figured out that this can help this and this and this, and we'll just prescribe it to you without even telling you what it does.

Well, I so here's a question for you, because I believe it's like, oh, we've figured out that this can help this and this and this, and we'll just prescribe it to you without even telling you what it does.

Because like women hit.

Because like women hit.

That age period between forty and fifty, and let me tell you, doctors come to you and they're like, an antidepressant can help you with all of the things that your body is going to go through without telling you what an antidepressant is going to do to your body, even though you're not depressed.

That age period between forty and fifty, and let me tell you, doctors come to you and they're like, an antidepressant can help you with all of the things that your body is going to go through without telling you what an antidepressant is going to do to your body, even though you're not depressed.

MM. Hmm, yeah. I mean so many people.

MM. Hmm, yeah. I mean so many people.

We lack appropriate informed consent, yes, today with regards to many things. I mean, whether it's the food supply that we've inherited or these pharmaceutical drugs. I mean I saw this in my own family. The reason why I do what I do is that my mother was very sick for many, many years, and she had dementia, like an early onset form of dementia called Louis body dementia, and then she passed due to cancer, and by the end of her life she was she was a perfect illustration of what is known as hyper polypharmacies. So somebody who's on over ten prescription drugs by the end of her life, and there's no physician on earth that fully understands how these different drugs are interacting with one another in an increasingly frail system. And one of the drugs that my mom was on, actually she had been on it for years, was an SSRI drug because at the onset of her cognitive decline, her psychiatrist thought that the symptoms that she was exhibiting were due to depression. Now, severe forms of depression can actually mimic a type of dementia known as pseudo dementia, but of course we realized down the road that this was not due to depression. My mom actually had a serious neuro cognitive condition.

We lack appropriate informed consent, yes, today with regards to many things. I mean, whether it's the food supply that we've inherited or these pharmaceutical drugs. I mean I saw this in my own family. The reason why I do what I do is that my mother was very sick for many, many years, and she had dementia, like an early onset form of dementia called Louis body dementia, and then she passed due to cancer, and by the end of her life she was she was a perfect illustration of what is known as hyper polypharmacies. So somebody who's on over ten prescription drugs by the end of her life, and there's no physician on earth that fully understands how these different drugs are interacting with one another in an increasingly frail system. And one of the drugs that my mom was on, actually she had been on it for years, was an SSRI drug because at the onset of her cognitive decline, her psychiatrist thought that the symptoms that she was exhibiting were due to depression. Now, severe forms of depression can actually mimic a type of dementia known as pseudo dementia, but of course we realized down the road that this was not due to depression. My mom actually had a serious neuro cognitive condition.

But what is not.

But what is not.

Usually disclosed is that these drugs are very difficult to come off of, and they also coincide with not side effects, but effects that our secondary to maybe whatever it is that they're trying to treat. Many people lose libido, they gain weight, and often the root cause of depression is again not due to SSRI deficiency, although you know, these do these drugs do help a certain subset of the depressed population, but what the data shows is that for people with mild depression, for moderate depression, these drugs are no more effective than placebo, certainly not exercise physical exercise, for example. And so yeah, I think we do need to have greater transparency with regards to these drugs. And in my view, in my interpretation of what's going on as an outsider to the MAHA movement, and you know, the these initiatives that RFK is now champion championing, that's what he's asking for. He's asking for greater transparency, greater informed consent, And how could you argue with that?

Usually disclosed is that these drugs are very difficult to come off of, and they also coincide with not side effects, but effects that our secondary to maybe whatever it is that they're trying to treat. Many people lose libido, they gain weight, and often the root cause of depression is again not due to SSRI deficiency, although you know, these do these drugs do help a certain subset of the depressed population, but what the data shows is that for people with mild depression, for moderate depression, these drugs are no more effective than placebo, certainly not exercise physical exercise, for example. And so yeah, I think we do need to have greater transparency with regards to these drugs. And in my view, in my interpretation of what's going on as an outsider to the MAHA movement, and you know, the these initiatives that RFK is now champion championing, that's what he's asking for. He's asking for greater transparency, greater informed consent, And how could you argue with that?

I saw this the other day where just on Twitter someone posted like, we have the most depressed society.

I saw this the other day where just on Twitter someone posted like, we have the most depressed society.

In the world. And yet when.

In the world. And yet when.

People come to depressed people and say I've got a great for you, it's just going to cause you to gain a massive amount of weight and never orgasm again.

People come to depressed people and say I've got a great for you, it's just going to cause you to gain a massive amount of weight and never orgasm again.

And they're like, yes, please.

And they're like, yes, please.

Yeah, you know why.

Yeah, you know why.

And you wonder why we're still depressed, because it's not that you're not depressed after That's the other problem is. And that's I think what RFK was saying is the problem is that we have all these people who are not not depressed. It's not that they are no longer depressed after they take these medications. This doesn't seem to be solving the problem in all cases, and therefore why shouldn't we study it more?

And you wonder why we're still depressed, because it's not that you're not depressed after That's the other problem is. And that's I think what RFK was saying is the problem is that we have all these people who are not not depressed. It's not that they are no longer depressed after they take these medications. This doesn't seem to be solving the problem in all cases, and therefore why shouldn't we study it more?

There?

There?

And that goes to the question of government involvement. And once you have all of these pharmaceutical companies that are somehow lobbying these folks in Washington, and.

And that goes to the question of government involvement. And once you have all of these pharmaceutical companies that are somehow lobbying these folks in Washington, and.

Can you really cut through that red tape?

Can you really cut through that red tape?

And this is I think the culture shock in Washington to have somebody like a Kennedy walk in there and go, you know what, We're going to take an extra look at it and it bothers me because I think you're right. I think you end up with a lot of people. I think you described it as something like walking zombies or some elderly people that are. And I have the same situation with my grandfather. He was on multiple medications for everything under the sun. And when you see that in their room, like next to their nightstand, you do as now as an adult, now that we have been talking about this and we do have more of a questioning mind about medications, I look back on that and think, whow how do they know when you have twelve different medications, how they're interacting?

And this is I think the culture shock in Washington to have somebody like a Kennedy walk in there and go, you know what, We're going to take an extra look at it and it bothers me because I think you're right. I think you end up with a lot of people. I think you described it as something like walking zombies or some elderly people that are. And I have the same situation with my grandfather. He was on multiple medications for everything under the sun. And when you see that in their room, like next to their nightstand, you do as now as an adult, now that we have been talking about this and we do have more of a questioning mind about medications, I look back on that and think, whow how do they know when you have twelve different medications, how they're interacting?

Yeah, nobody knows. Nobody knows.

Yeah, nobody knows. Nobody knows.

And you know, I heard it said once that if you go on vacation and your depression lifts, you don't have depression, You just have a shitty life. And so I think often it's I think what makes people uncomfortable is that it requires a degree of accountability for their lives. And certainly not every certain life circumstance is escapable. I mean, I'll just say from my own personal experience when my mom was ill, that was the most stressful period of my life and I wasn't able to escape that st nor would I if I had the opportunity, because my mom needed my help and she was a person who I loved most.

And you know, I heard it said once that if you go on vacation and your depression lifts, you don't have depression, You just have a shitty life. And so I think often it's I think what makes people uncomfortable is that it requires a degree of accountability for their lives. And certainly not every certain life circumstance is escapable. I mean, I'll just say from my own personal experience when my mom was ill, that was the most stressful period of my life and I wasn't able to escape that st nor would I if I had the opportunity, because my mom needed my help and she was a person who I loved most.

In the world.

In the world.

But what I did was I realized that, Okay, I've inherited a certain circumstance which I can't escape, and I need to be.

But what I did was I realized that, Okay, I've inherited a certain circumstance which I can't escape, and I need to be.

There for my mom.

There for my mom.

But there are ways now elucidated in our most respected peer review journals that show that you can actually bolster if you can't escape the stress, the stressful stimuli, you can bolster your resilience, for example, with physical exercise, with maybe a diet that's comprised primarily of minimally processed whole foods. I mean, today your average adult sixty percent of the calories that your average adult is consuming come from ultra processed foods and ultra processed foods. I mean, there was recently an updated review and meta analysis that found that these kinds of foods, which now predominate American diets, are linked to thirty two different ways that your health can suffer thirty two different negative health outcomes.

But there are ways now elucidated in our most respected peer review journals that show that you can actually bolster if you can't escape the stress, the stressful stimuli, you can bolster your resilience, for example, with physical exercise, with maybe a diet that's comprised primarily of minimally processed whole foods. I mean, today your average adult sixty percent of the calories that your average adult is consuming come from ultra processed foods and ultra processed foods. I mean, there was recently an updated review and meta analysis that found that these kinds of foods, which now predominate American diets, are linked to thirty two different ways that your health can suffer thirty two different negative health outcomes.

The obvious ones.

The obvious ones.

Of course, were included in this meta analysis, the obesity, the type two diabetes, the heart disease, the cancer, but also mental health conditions like anxiety and depression are now increasingly being linked to our consumption, our over consumption of ultra processed foods. And so, you know, for anybody listening who is stuck in a stressful stimulation, a stressful situation, you know, I think the first thing that one ought to do is try to examine where in their lives they can improve their situation. And if they can't improve certain aspects of their situation, well then it's good to know that we can also bolster our resilience, which essentially, you know, affects how our bodies handle stress, deal with stress in a way that's maybe more productive, less likely to cause chronic disease, which we know that chronic stress can be implicated in.

Of course, were included in this meta analysis, the obesity, the type two diabetes, the heart disease, the cancer, but also mental health conditions like anxiety and depression are now increasingly being linked to our consumption, our over consumption of ultra processed foods. And so, you know, for anybody listening who is stuck in a stressful stimulation, a stressful situation, you know, I think the first thing that one ought to do is try to examine where in their lives they can improve their situation. And if they can't improve certain aspects of their situation, well then it's good to know that we can also bolster our resilience, which essentially, you know, affects how our bodies handle stress, deal with stress in a way that's maybe more productive, less likely to cause chronic disease, which we know that chronic stress can be implicated in.

Well, I've seen you post some things about the importance of exercise and what you're putting into your body and even weightlifting and things like that, and I think that's something that we do tend to forget about.

Well, I've seen you post some things about the importance of exercise and what you're putting into your body and even weightlifting and things like that, and I think that's something that we do tend to forget about.

In our lives. You know, we get and we're looking for the quick fix.

In our lives. You know, we get and we're looking for the quick fix.

So that's why you see this real push for ozebic right now is like, oh my goodness, I have this opportunity to just have this quick fix and then I'll be healthy. I think we forget that that doesn't necessarily mean healthy, because you have to continually change your body, and you have to feed your body, and you have to care for your body, just like you care for your child.

So that's why you see this real push for ozebic right now is like, oh my goodness, I have this opportunity to just have this quick fix and then I'll be healthy. I think we forget that that doesn't necessarily mean healthy, because you have to continually change your body, and you have to feed your body, and you have to care for your body, just like you care for your child.

You have to care for.

You have to care for.

Yourself, and so often, I mean it's almost like when you're on the airplane and they say make sure you put your mask on first, and then care for the younger kids next to you. I mean it's similar when as a parent, I certainly know this. I'm like, oh, I couldn't do that because I had the kids and I can't work out and I can't eat healthy. And I went to fast food and I saw somebody saying, oh, now, the MAHA movement is about making sure fast food is healthy.

Yourself, and so often, I mean it's almost like when you're on the airplane and they say make sure you put your mask on first, and then care for the younger kids next to you. I mean it's similar when as a parent, I certainly know this. I'm like, oh, I couldn't do that because I had the kids and I can't work out and I can't eat healthy. And I went to fast food and I saw somebody saying, oh, now, the MAHA movement is about making sure fast food is healthy.

Give me a break.

Give me a break.

And I think you made a great point saying, you know what, a lot of people that's their only meal, and a lot of time life is so busy you're like, oh, we'll just stop here and we'll eat, and then you get into this cycle of eating crap because it's what's available and that's the way it's just always been cooked. But I love the idea of going in and saying, hey, if this is ban in Europe. You can't use it here.

And I think you made a great point saying, you know what, a lot of people that's their only meal, and a lot of time life is so busy you're like, oh, we'll just stop here and we'll eat, and then you get into this cycle of eating crap because it's what's available and that's the way it's just always been cooked. But I love the idea of going in and saying, hey, if this is ban in Europe. You can't use it here.

And we have to be careful of what we put inside of our bodies.

And we have to be careful of what we put inside of our bodies.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean the rhetoric that you now see surrounding pretty much anything that RFK does. I mean, for me, it's just another sort of extension of Trump derangement syndrome and which has now become RFK derangement syndrome. And you know, this should be a non part is an issue at the end of the day, and I think what you eat determines by and large how much you're eating. So in a time where almost one in two adults are not just overweight but obese, we do need to start looking at the food supply and the additives that are making you know, these ultra processed foods as addictive as they are. I mean, there was a paper that came out that actually found ultra processed foods to tick all of the same boxes for an addictive substance, the same boxes that tobacco ticks.

I mean the rhetoric that you now see surrounding pretty much anything that RFK does. I mean, for me, it's just another sort of extension of Trump derangement syndrome and which has now become RFK derangement syndrome. And you know, this should be a non part is an issue at the end of the day, and I think what you eat determines by and large how much you're eating. So in a time where almost one in two adults are not just overweight but obese, we do need to start looking at the food supply and the additives that are making you know, these ultra processed foods as addictive as they are. I mean, there was a paper that came out that actually found ultra processed foods to tick all of the same boxes for an addictive substance, the same boxes that tobacco ticks.

Wow.

Wow.

Yeah, let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon podcast. I also don't know how to read labels. You know, I bought protein powder the other day and I'm like, Okay, I'm going to like make smoothies and we're gonna all like, it'll be an easy way for us to all have something quick in the morning and we'll put you know, fruit and bananas in it. And then I flip that over and I'm reading after I get it home, of course, because I'm like, this is in.

Yeah, let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon podcast. I also don't know how to read labels. You know, I bought protein powder the other day and I'm like, Okay, I'm going to like make smoothies and we're gonna all like, it'll be an easy way for us to all have something quick in the morning and we'll put you know, fruit and bananas in it. And then I flip that over and I'm reading after I get it home, of course, because I'm like, this is in.

The healthy section of the grocery store.

The healthy section of the grocery store.

We're all good here, Like, wait a minute, saw sunflower seed this and that.

We're all good here, Like, wait a minute, saw sunflower seed this and that.

I'm like, is this all bad for us?

I'm like, is this all bad for us?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I mean that's kind of the grand irony is that I said something recently that kind of went viral at the recent Senate hearing that I was invited to partake in with Senator Ron Johnson. I don't know if you caught if you saw any of that footage, but if your supermarket has a health food section, what does that make the rest of the store.

I mean that's kind of the grand irony is that I said something recently that kind of went viral at the recent Senate hearing that I was invited to partake in with Senator Ron Johnson. I don't know if you caught if you saw any of that footage, but if your supermarket has a health food section, what does that make the rest of the store.

Yeah, yes, I did see that.

Yeah, yes, I did see that.

Yeah, But the irony is that most of the items in the health food sective of the supermarket are garbage too. So you're you know, you can't win today. And I think that's why, you know, a simple heuristic like just remembering to shop around the perimeter of the supermarket can be so valuable for people because the perimeter of the supermarket is where we find all the fresh, perishable foods, protein bars and things like that. Yeah, I mean we're you know, now, there are a lot of ultra processed foods that the concept is protein washing. So they're putting like high protein this, high protein that on all of these ultra processed foods. But it's essentially just lipstick on a pig. Most of the protein that they'll use to inflate the protein content of these ultra processed foods are of extremely low quality and generally make up a very small proportion of the calories anyway, So yeah, definitely worth being mindful of.

Yeah, But the irony is that most of the items in the health food sective of the supermarket are garbage too. So you're you know, you can't win today. And I think that's why, you know, a simple heuristic like just remembering to shop around the perimeter of the supermarket can be so valuable for people because the perimeter of the supermarket is where we find all the fresh, perishable foods, protein bars and things like that. Yeah, I mean we're you know, now, there are a lot of ultra processed foods that the concept is protein washing. So they're putting like high protein this, high protein that on all of these ultra processed foods. But it's essentially just lipstick on a pig. Most of the protein that they'll use to inflate the protein content of these ultra processed foods are of extremely low quality and generally make up a very small proportion of the calories anyway, So yeah, definitely worth being mindful of.

So we're just eating.

So we're just eating.

I mean I see it all the time on granola bars and this and that, and it is really like, this is a sugary snack, but I feel like it's good because it says it's got twenty four grams of protein on the front, and that is totally meaningless to me, but in my mind it must be great. So I and that is how my mind works, because I'm a marketer's dream. I say this all the time. If something comes in a new package, I'm like that looks delicious. You know. It's like I already have eaten that. I know what it tastes like, but it looks wonderful. And it's so funny because I think it is ingrained in us because I sent my daughter. My daughter is always looking for like that, how can we get rid of food, dyes and everything. And there was this thing a meme the or a picture the other day of I think it was Derito's, and they're like they're trying to make Doritos into like the.

I mean I see it all the time on granola bars and this and that, and it is really like, this is a sugary snack, but I feel like it's good because it says it's got twenty four grams of protein on the front, and that is totally meaningless to me, but in my mind it must be great. So I and that is how my mind works, because I'm a marketer's dream. I say this all the time. If something comes in a new package, I'm like that looks delicious. You know. It's like I already have eaten that. I know what it tastes like, but it looks wonderful. And it's so funny because I think it is ingrained in us because I sent my daughter. My daughter is always looking for like that, how can we get rid of food, dyes and everything. And there was this thing a meme the or a picture the other day of I think it was Derito's, and they're like they're trying to make Doritos into like the.

Simply brand that they have that has no.

Simply brand that they have that has no.

Supposedly no bad stuff, you know, but it's obviously just like you said, health food. But she she it's so funny because the Dorito's bag was like super exciting and it looked really fun and then the Simply bag looks like someone who is trying to be like one of those those people that is very clean in their house.

Supposedly no bad stuff, you know, but it's obviously just like you said, health food. But she she it's so funny because the Dorito's bag was like super exciting and it looked really fun and then the Simply bag looks like someone who is trying to be like one of those those people that is very clean in their house.

They have like no knickknacks or anything.

They have like no knickknacks or anything.

You know, It's like it's supposed to look like there's nothing in it, but it does look like there's nothing in it. And I sent it to my fifteen year old and she goes, yeah, but nothing about that package makes me want to eat this.

You know, It's like it's supposed to look like there's nothing in it, but it does look like there's nothing in it. And I sent it to my fifteen year old and she goes, yeah, but nothing about that package makes me want to eat this.

I'm like, that's so funny.

I'm like, that's so funny.

That she noted that, you know, because it just looks like a minimalist you know, you walk into someone's house and you're like, does anybody live here?

That she noted that, you know, because it just looks like a minimalist you know, you walk into someone's house and you're like, does anybody live here?

That's what the package looks like.

That's what the package looks like.

And the Dorito's package, they're like, Oh, we're going to make it so much healthier. But the Dorito's package is like, come and eat me.

And the Dorito's package, they're like, Oh, we're going to make it so much healthier. But the Dorito's package is like, come and eat me.

I look wonderful.

I look wonderful.

Well, yeah, and you're an adult with a fully formed prefrontal cortex. I mean, imagine being a twelve year old ye seeing all of these like flashy colors at the supermarket. I mean that's where this whole argument about removing artificial food dies from the food supply comes from. I don't think if you remove food dies, artificial food dies from the American food supply, that it's suddenly going to make Americans healthy again. That's a red herring. But also I mean, if it could, if it makes the products even a smidge and less attractive to children who are now seeing startling rates of overweight and obesity and even hypertension. We're seeing now creep up in adolescents and all kinds of conditions that were once limited to adult populations like adult onset diabetes. Type two diabetes used to be considered adult onset diabetes, and now we're seeing more and more children show signs of insulin resistance, and it all comes back to the food supply. So, you know, I think that I don't want to throw the food industry completely under the bus, or do I want to throw the baby out with the bad bathwater. I think that these incremental changes, there's an argument to be made against incrementalism. I think, you know there, I think we've reached a point in society now where it's maybe helpful to have the bowl in the China shop approach, as we're now seeing in so many areas of government. But I do think that it is a step in the right direction. For for example, these ultra processed food manufactur to start slowly removing some of these additives from their products and make incrementally healthier versions. For example, the Whole Steak and Shake switch from frying their French fries in vegetable although I've heard there's some controversy there that maybe they're pre cooked and vegetable oils. I don't know, but the switch at least from from you know, the point of sale from frying their French fries and vegetable oil to tallow. I mean, I think that's a move in the right direction. I think that, you know, the more we can limit our exposure to potentially rancid, refined, bleached and deodorized seed oils, I mean, isn't that going to be a good thing over the long term for long term health. I mean, we know that beef tallow is comprised of fats that are chemically stable, which can't be said for the kinds of fats that you know, we would typically find in the fryer setting, you know, soybean oil, canola oil, corn oil, things like that. These fats go rancid at high temperatures, particularly when they're kept high temperatures and reheated, which they often are. This can expose people to really harmful you know, not just fats that have essentially gone bad by way of a process known as oxidation, but a lot of really harmful aldehydes. Chemicals called aldehydes are generated in the fryer setting, which doesn't happen as readily when you fry, for example, potatoes.

Well, yeah, and you're an adult with a fully formed prefrontal cortex. I mean, imagine being a twelve year old ye seeing all of these like flashy colors at the supermarket. I mean that's where this whole argument about removing artificial food dies from the food supply comes from. I don't think if you remove food dies, artificial food dies from the American food supply, that it's suddenly going to make Americans healthy again. That's a red herring. But also I mean, if it could, if it makes the products even a smidge and less attractive to children who are now seeing startling rates of overweight and obesity and even hypertension. We're seeing now creep up in adolescents and all kinds of conditions that were once limited to adult populations like adult onset diabetes. Type two diabetes used to be considered adult onset diabetes, and now we're seeing more and more children show signs of insulin resistance, and it all comes back to the food supply. So, you know, I think that I don't want to throw the food industry completely under the bus, or do I want to throw the baby out with the bad bathwater. I think that these incremental changes, there's an argument to be made against incrementalism. I think, you know there, I think we've reached a point in society now where it's maybe helpful to have the bowl in the China shop approach, as we're now seeing in so many areas of government. But I do think that it is a step in the right direction. For for example, these ultra processed food manufactur to start slowly removing some of these additives from their products and make incrementally healthier versions. For example, the Whole Steak and Shake switch from frying their French fries in vegetable although I've heard there's some controversy there that maybe they're pre cooked and vegetable oils. I don't know, but the switch at least from from you know, the point of sale from frying their French fries and vegetable oil to tallow. I mean, I think that's a move in the right direction. I think that, you know, the more we can limit our exposure to potentially rancid, refined, bleached and deodorized seed oils, I mean, isn't that going to be a good thing over the long term for long term health. I mean, we know that beef tallow is comprised of fats that are chemically stable, which can't be said for the kinds of fats that you know, we would typically find in the fryer setting, you know, soybean oil, canola oil, corn oil, things like that. These fats go rancid at high temperatures, particularly when they're kept high temperatures and reheated, which they often are. This can expose people to really harmful you know, not just fats that have essentially gone bad by way of a process known as oxidation, but a lot of really harmful aldehydes. Chemicals called aldehydes are generated in the fryer setting, which doesn't happen as readily when you fry, for example, potatoes.

In beef tallow.

In beef tallow.

So fast food is still going to be fast food, But people are always going to eat fast food. So if we can incrementally make it somewhat healthier, then I think that's a good thing. Now, what I prefer the oils used to be more unsaturated. Would I prefer them to fry French fries in extra virgin olive oil, for example, which I think is actually healthier than beef tallow. Yes, but we can't let perfect be the enemy of the good.

So fast food is still going to be fast food, But people are always going to eat fast food. So if we can incrementally make it somewhat healthier, then I think that's a good thing. Now, what I prefer the oils used to be more unsaturated. Would I prefer them to fry French fries in extra virgin olive oil, for example, which I think is actually healthier than beef tallow. Yes, but we can't let perfect be the enemy of the good.

Yes, Yes, that's so. Do you think that? I mean you mentioned that kids.

Yes, Yes, that's so. Do you think that? I mean you mentioned that kids.

This is being marketed to kids, and we are a unique society where we market everything to everyone. We market pharmaceuticals, we market It used to be that you could market cigarettes, even to kids, and then that stopped, And to me, I think that really was I mean, it was a tough movement in government. I think to say that because when I was a kid, we had camel, we had the Marlboro Man.

This is being marketed to kids, and we are a unique society where we market everything to everyone. We market pharmaceuticals, we market It used to be that you could market cigarettes, even to kids, and then that stopped, And to me, I think that really was I mean, it was a tough movement in government. I think to say that because when I was a kid, we had camel, we had the Marlboro Man.

You know, that's very cool.

You know, that's very cool.

And when I was a kid, I remember everybody smoking and you would go to restaurants. Obviously you could smoke in restaurants, but you would also be just walking through town and people would be smoking. And that's something that it's almost shocking now to me when I'm walking behind someone that has a cigarette, I'm like, oh gosh, you forget that people.

And when I was a kid, I remember everybody smoking and you would go to restaurants. Obviously you could smoke in restaurants, but you would also be just walking through town and people would be smoking. And that's something that it's almost shocking now to me when I'm walking behind someone that has a cigarette, I'm like, oh gosh, you forget that people.

Used to smoke all the time.

Used to smoke all the time.

And then when you stopped the advertising, it was not just the advertising that stop, though, I think it was also the campaign of like, this is also going to kill you, by the way, But what is different about some of these foods that are being marketed to kids? And it's a constant and they're constantly pushing really really bad foods on children.

And then when you stopped the advertising, it was not just the advertising that stop, though, I think it was also the campaign of like, this is also going to kill you, by the way, But what is different about some of these foods that are being marketed to kids? And it's a constant and they're constantly pushing really really bad foods on children.

And when you think about the fact that Secretary Kennedy said, I.

And when you think about the fact that Secretary Kennedy said, I.

Want to go in there because of this chronic disease in our children.

Want to go in there because of this chronic disease in our children.

And it's not just chronic disease and kids.

And it's not just chronic disease and kids.

Is I think this shocking part of it because we look at it and we go this is has never been before, And this shouldn't be their little kids. They shouldn't have diabetes, they shouldn't have patty livers, they shouldn't have all of these problems that we're seeing that we've never seen in children before.

Is I think this shocking part of it because we look at it and we go this is has never been before, And this shouldn't be their little kids. They shouldn't have diabetes, they shouldn't have patty livers, they shouldn't have all of these problems that we're seeing that we've never seen in children before.

But the cancer rate on adults is higher than we've.

But the cancer rate on adults is higher than we've.

Ever seen before too, So is this an issue where we shouldn't be marketing what is essentially toxic to kids, to humans.

Ever seen before too, So is this an issue where we shouldn't be marketing what is essentially toxic to kids, to humans.

Absolutely, yeah, I mean ultra processed foods now, and I think that is that's already like we've already brought this conversation to the national stage, whereas you know, even six months ago, I mean, very few people were talking about this or it was considered you know, wellness chatter as opposed to something that we actually do need at this stage to take a magnifying glass too. I mean, I cited the fact that sixty percent of your average adults calories today come from ultra processed foods. For children, that proportion is even higher, it's about seventy to eighty percent. And these are the kinds of foods that now, I mean, they're highly calorie dense, they're nutrient poor, So I mean, this is one of the reasons why ninety percent of people today have a deficiency in at least one essential nutrient. They're hyper palatable. So our efforts to moderate our consumption of these foods often fails. And yet we, you know, we see that failure as being a moral failure, when in fact it's you know, it's it's human nature to want to over consume these foods that are rich in nutrients that were scarce for the majority of our time on this planet up until very recently, and when these foods are marketed to children, I mean, I think that's where it all goes out the window. I mean, it's as any parent knows. I mean, it's hard to ice to let your kids from these kinds of foods. Which isn't to say that a little bit here and there is a problem. I mean, ultimately, your health is made up is determined largely by your dietary pattern. There's no single meal or single food that's going to sway your health in any major direction. But when we're consuming these foods day in and day out, as so many of us are, that's when real problems occur. And so I think it's amazing that we're starting to have this conversation now with at the public scale.

Absolutely, yeah, I mean ultra processed foods now, and I think that is that's already like we've already brought this conversation to the national stage, whereas you know, even six months ago, I mean, very few people were talking about this or it was considered you know, wellness chatter as opposed to something that we actually do need at this stage to take a magnifying glass too. I mean, I cited the fact that sixty percent of your average adults calories today come from ultra processed foods. For children, that proportion is even higher, it's about seventy to eighty percent. And these are the kinds of foods that now, I mean, they're highly calorie dense, they're nutrient poor, So I mean, this is one of the reasons why ninety percent of people today have a deficiency in at least one essential nutrient. They're hyper palatable. So our efforts to moderate our consumption of these foods often fails. And yet we, you know, we see that failure as being a moral failure, when in fact it's you know, it's it's human nature to want to over consume these foods that are rich in nutrients that were scarce for the majority of our time on this planet up until very recently, and when these foods are marketed to children, I mean, I think that's where it all goes out the window. I mean, it's as any parent knows. I mean, it's hard to ice to let your kids from these kinds of foods. Which isn't to say that a little bit here and there is a problem. I mean, ultimately, your health is made up is determined largely by your dietary pattern. There's no single meal or single food that's going to sway your health in any major direction. But when we're consuming these foods day in and day out, as so many of us are, that's when real problems occur. And so I think it's amazing that we're starting to have this conversation now with at the public scale.

It is because even my kids have come home and I've noted that they're like, oh, so and so's off dies, and that's how they talk about it.

It is because even my kids have come home and I've noted that they're like, oh, so and so's off dies, and that's how they talk about it.

And then so and so's not having seed oils.

And then so and so's not having seed oils.

Her mom's stopping her from having that, so she can't eat this, and she can't eat that, And I'm like, man, suddenly, as consumers, we are really looking at labels and really taking a step back and saying we're not going to purchase, and that purchasing. You as a consumer, have a lot of power when you're purchasing. And if people in mass decide we're not purchasing certain things, then that pushes those manufacturers, those food manufacturers to say, okay, well, maybe we will take all of the artificial die out of lucky charms, you know, or maybe we will reduce this sugar content. But these are all foods that have become something we're used to and we're not as used to. I mean, when you say that kids are eating more processed food than adults, that's.

Her mom's stopping her from having that, so she can't eat this, and she can't eat that, And I'm like, man, suddenly, as consumers, we are really looking at labels and really taking a step back and saying we're not going to purchase, and that purchasing. You as a consumer, have a lot of power when you're purchasing. And if people in mass decide we're not purchasing certain things, then that pushes those manufacturers, those food manufacturers to say, okay, well, maybe we will take all of the artificial die out of lucky charms, you know, or maybe we will reduce this sugar content. But these are all foods that have become something we're used to and we're not as used to. I mean, when you say that kids are eating more processed food than adults, that's.

Horrifying to me. But also I look at our schools.

Horrifying to me. But also I look at our schools.

They're providing lunch, and they're providing breakfast and lunch, but those are not healthy breakfasts and lunches. And that's the frustrating part to me, is like, here, our taxpayer dollars are going to put food, and that's better than no food at all. And I do not argue that at all, of course, but I also say, gosh, at what point do we say if you are government and you are supplying meals for children, there has to be some health requirement there too, as well, and that I think that's just this awakening of people. Even when you talked about medications, we have historically never question when a doctor says you need to be on this, and that I think also changed recently. I think that you know, there was a movement a few years ago, really starting out of California before COVID, where parents were like, I don't know if we really need all these vaccinations, and I remember people were just bananas about it, like how could you question anything? How could you question what is the standard procedure? And now you have people really saying should we be on all of these medications? Is there a better way to do it? And there is a better way to do it because you don't have to you don't necessarily. I mean the tweet that you put out there was like exercise and sleep and sleep is so critical and that's another thing that we can just put aside. Oh I'll just get I'll catch up on sleep later. You really need to figure out how to manage your time so that you can get enough sleep. So my question to you is you, I know you talk about supplements a lot. Our supplements good, our supplement's bad. Is there an opportunity for parents to bring that into their child's word world.

They're providing lunch, and they're providing breakfast and lunch, but those are not healthy breakfasts and lunches. And that's the frustrating part to me, is like, here, our taxpayer dollars are going to put food, and that's better than no food at all. And I do not argue that at all, of course, but I also say, gosh, at what point do we say if you are government and you are supplying meals for children, there has to be some health requirement there too, as well, and that I think that's just this awakening of people. Even when you talked about medications, we have historically never question when a doctor says you need to be on this, and that I think also changed recently. I think that you know, there was a movement a few years ago, really starting out of California before COVID, where parents were like, I don't know if we really need all these vaccinations, and I remember people were just bananas about it, like how could you question anything? How could you question what is the standard procedure? And now you have people really saying should we be on all of these medications? Is there a better way to do it? And there is a better way to do it because you don't have to you don't necessarily. I mean the tweet that you put out there was like exercise and sleep and sleep is so critical and that's another thing that we can just put aside. Oh I'll just get I'll catch up on sleep later. You really need to figure out how to manage your time so that you can get enough sleep. So my question to you is you, I know you talk about supplements a lot. Our supplements good, our supplement's bad. Is there an opportunity for parents to bring that into their child's word world.

What is the story on supplements?

What is the story on supplements?

Yeah, well, I think supplements need to be thought of as exactly that supplement supplements, and they're certainly not a replacement for real whole foods, but they can certainly they can make certain aspects of adhering to a healthy diet and lifestyle more convenient. Certainly, you just want to focus on what I call the big rocks, So within the bucket of supplements that have a strong evidence base. I mean, we have supplements like protein powders, which I actually consider it to be a food product, but protein powders can be a great way to augment your diet to hit your protein targets. I mean, the RDA for protein is insufficient for maintaining optimal body composition. I mean we know that from the literature now at this point, the RDA is currently set too point eight grams per kilogram of body weight. We know that for somebody who's on a resistance training regimen, as everybody should be, that we need at least double that to maximize the effort that we're spending.

Yeah, well, I think supplements need to be thought of as exactly that supplement supplements, and they're certainly not a replacement for real whole foods, but they can certainly they can make certain aspects of adhering to a healthy diet and lifestyle more convenient. Certainly, you just want to focus on what I call the big rocks, So within the bucket of supplements that have a strong evidence base. I mean, we have supplements like protein powders, which I actually consider it to be a food product, but protein powders can be a great way to augment your diet to hit your protein targets. I mean, the RDA for protein is insufficient for maintaining optimal body composition. I mean we know that from the literature now at this point, the RDA is currently set too point eight grams per kilogram of body weight. We know that for somebody who's on a resistance training regimen, as everybody should be, that we need at least double that to maximize the effort that we're spending.

Training.

Training.

How do you know which ones? Though?

How do you know which ones? Though?

Because I also saw you talking to someone that said that there's heavy metals.

Because I also saw you talking to someone that said that there's heavy metals.

In these protein powder ex like, what.

In these protein powder ex like, what.

Well, protein powders, you know, are not impervious to the same kinds of problems that we see across the the you know, the the Indus. The industrialized nature of our food supply today, so you know, fruits and vegetables can often harbor heavy metals depending on where they're grown. You know, what, what is the quality of the soil that our fruits and vegetables are grown in, for example, And the same goes for certain protein powders. And the protein powders in question are the plant based protein powders. Again, plants will suck up minerals from the soil, but they will also suck up whatever heavy metals tend to be uh lingering around.

Well, protein powders, you know, are not impervious to the same kinds of problems that we see across the the you know, the the Indus. The industrialized nature of our food supply today, so you know, fruits and vegetables can often harbor heavy metals depending on where they're grown. You know, what, what is the quality of the soil that our fruits and vegetables are grown in, for example, And the same goes for certain protein powders. And the protein powders in question are the plant based protein powders. Again, plants will suck up minerals from the soil, but they will also suck up whatever heavy metals tend to be uh lingering around.

And so what.

And so what.

The research shows is that plant based protein powder tend to be contaminated or you know, at least harbor to a certain degree certain heavy.

The research shows is that plant based protein powder tend to be contaminated or you know, at least harbor to a certain degree certain heavy.

Metals like lead and cadmium and stuff like that.

Metals like lead and cadmium and stuff like that.

So, unless you have a very specific reason for using plant based protein powders, my view is that you should always be using a way based protein powder, which is dairy based, but a wave protein isolate is actually has negligible quantities of usually the component of way of dairy that gives most people problems. So dairy can be very allergenic for people. It's the most common sort of dietary allergen. But a wave protein isolate has virtually no lactose in it, it has no caseine in it, so it's very well tolerated by people that have dairy, even by people that have dairy sensitivities. And it's the highest biological value source of protein that you could ingest pretty much. So I always say that, you know, if you want to augment the protein in your diet way, protein is should be a staple. And there's also data that suggests that chocolate flavored tend to carry contain more lead because cacao can be a source of lead, and so vanilla ay protein is generally the go to, which I know sounds really specific, but it is the safest kind of supplementary protein that you could that you could buy. So there's a lot there. But but you know, the industrial the industrialized food.

So, unless you have a very specific reason for using plant based protein powders, my view is that you should always be using a way based protein powder, which is dairy based, but a wave protein isolate is actually has negligible quantities of usually the component of way of dairy that gives most people problems. So dairy can be very allergenic for people. It's the most common sort of dietary allergen. But a wave protein isolate has virtually no lactose in it, it has no caseine in it, so it's very well tolerated by people that have dairy, even by people that have dairy sensitivities. And it's the highest biological value source of protein that you could ingest pretty much. So I always say that, you know, if you want to augment the protein in your diet way, protein is should be a staple. And there's also data that suggests that chocolate flavored tend to carry contain more lead because cacao can be a source of lead, and so vanilla ay protein is generally the go to, which I know sounds really specific, but it is the safest kind of supplementary protein that you could that you could buy. So there's a lot there. But but you know, the industrial the industrialized food.

Supply, it's a double edged sword.

Supply, it's a double edged sword.

Right.

Right.

We've solved for food scarcity, so food is now more abundant than it's ever been. But it comes with problems. And that's why you know, we again, we can't let perfect be the enemy of the good. Right, if you're consuming dark leafy greens like kale, yes, there's a you know, there's a there's a chance that you're maybe ingesting some heavy metals.

We've solved for food scarcity, so food is now more abundant than it's ever been. But it comes with problems. And that's why you know, we again, we can't let perfect be the enemy of the good. Right, if you're consuming dark leafy greens like kale, yes, there's a you know, there's a there's a chance that you're maybe ingesting some heavy metals.

Along with it.

Along with it.

But the risk benefit analysis, I think the benefits outweigh the risks. You just want to be an informed consumer, the same way that you know, if you're a physicianist prescribing a drug, do you want to be an informed patient. I think this is just now it's a call to arm yourself with as much as much information as you can because today, more than ever before, we have fewer excuses. Right like we have AI, we have you know, pub met is available to every person. We have all of the world's knowledge at our fingertips twenty four hours a day, and so there's no excuse to not be as informed as you can possibly be for you, for your loved ones, your children.

But the risk benefit analysis, I think the benefits outweigh the risks. You just want to be an informed consumer, the same way that you know, if you're a physicianist prescribing a drug, do you want to be an informed patient. I think this is just now it's a call to arm yourself with as much as much information as you can because today, more than ever before, we have fewer excuses. Right like we have AI, we have you know, pub met is available to every person. We have all of the world's knowledge at our fingertips twenty four hours a day, and so there's no excuse to not be as informed as you can possibly be for you, for your loved ones, your children.

Et cetera.

Et cetera.

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Before I let you go, what is your best advice to people out there that are just trying to get more more energy. You know, we're at that, We're at that point as parents. Once you hit a certain point, you're tired, You're not thinking about your own health, You're thinking about your kid's house. What are some quick things that you can do to just get back on track and sort of change that lifestyle trend of process foods and feeling sluggish.

Before I let you go, what is your best advice to people out there that are just trying to get more more energy. You know, we're at that, We're at that point as parents. Once you hit a certain point, you're tired, You're not thinking about your own health, You're thinking about your kid's house. What are some quick things that you can do to just get back on track and sort of change that lifestyle trend of process foods and feeling sluggish.

Yeah, I think you just well, first you have to be kind to yourself, like it's we live in complicated times, and I know that you know, whole foods can be more expensive, but I try to lay out of my books ways to cost cut in a way that's super effective but still allows for the most nutrient dense diet possible. So buying frozen I think buying frozen whole foods, I mean, you know, I have been doing this long enough to now see that it's you can go to Target and you can get organic food on the cheap. You can buy frozen wild salmon, for example, from Costco. Grass fed grass finished beef is now more ubiquitous than it's ever been before. But again, you know, I'm going to repeat this. We can't let perfect be the enemy of the good. I think the fear mongering around industrially produced animal source foods.

Yeah, I think you just well, first you have to be kind to yourself, like it's we live in complicated times, and I know that you know, whole foods can be more expensive, but I try to lay out of my books ways to cost cut in a way that's super effective but still allows for the most nutrient dense diet possible. So buying frozen I think buying frozen whole foods, I mean, you know, I have been doing this long enough to now see that it's you can go to Target and you can get organic food on the cheap. You can buy frozen wild salmon, for example, from Costco. Grass fed grass finished beef is now more ubiquitous than it's ever been before. But again, you know, I'm going to repeat this. We can't let perfect be the enemy of the good. I think the fear mongering around industrially produced animal source foods.

Is really harmful.

Is really harmful.

It's really harmful rhetoric, like even a conventionally produced piece of lean red meat is going to be a much better option for dinner than what most people are consuming today and serving their children. So, you know, I think it's important to get back to basics and to remember to shop the perimeter and you know, foods like red meat, eggs, fish. I mean, these are all great foods. They are whole foods, fruits and vegetables. We've got to stop fear mongering. I mean, the carnivore community fear mongers fruits and vegetables and things like that. I think that's a big shame. So be a critical thinker and apply logic and an evolutionary lens. You know, the longer a food has been available to us as humans, I think, the more we can safely assume that it's going to be worthwhile integrating into our diets. And the less time of food or product has been you know, in the human food supply, I think the greater scrutiny that we should apply to it, the greater skepticism we should apply to foods like refined bleach and deodorized seed oils. I mean, we're told all day long that these are a heart healthy alternative to you know, the fats naturally found in animal source foods. But who's telling us that. Are these studies that we're looking at funded by the seed oil industry for example, I mean there's plenty of that out there. So I just think we all need to get back to a sense of reason, logic, common sense, and yeah, stick to whole food is absolutely is the bottom line.

It's really harmful rhetoric, like even a conventionally produced piece of lean red meat is going to be a much better option for dinner than what most people are consuming today and serving their children. So, you know, I think it's important to get back to basics and to remember to shop the perimeter and you know, foods like red meat, eggs, fish. I mean, these are all great foods. They are whole foods, fruits and vegetables. We've got to stop fear mongering. I mean, the carnivore community fear mongers fruits and vegetables and things like that. I think that's a big shame. So be a critical thinker and apply logic and an evolutionary lens. You know, the longer a food has been available to us as humans, I think, the more we can safely assume that it's going to be worthwhile integrating into our diets. And the less time of food or product has been you know, in the human food supply, I think the greater scrutiny that we should apply to it, the greater skepticism we should apply to foods like refined bleach and deodorized seed oils. I mean, we're told all day long that these are a heart healthy alternative to you know, the fats naturally found in animal source foods. But who's telling us that. Are these studies that we're looking at funded by the seed oil industry for example, I mean there's plenty of that out there. So I just think we all need to get back to a sense of reason, logic, common sense, and yeah, stick to whole food is absolutely is the bottom line.

Well, thank you so much.

Well, thank you so much.

I really appreciate you coming on and talking to us about all this today.

I really appreciate you coming on and talking to us about all this today.

Tell us where we can get the books.

Tell us where we can get the books.

Yeah, so my books Genius Foods Genius Kitchen is a cookbook actually that came out about a year and a half ago. Those are available wherever books are sold. And then I host my own podcast called The Genius Life, so we put up two episodes a week, and yeah, I really enjoy doing that.

Yeah, so my books Genius Foods Genius Kitchen is a cookbook actually that came out about a year and a half ago. Those are available wherever books are sold. And then I host my own podcast called The Genius Life, so we put up two episodes a week, and yeah, I really enjoy doing that.

And this is where I learned about the protein powders and also that you had one on having a disc replaced in your back and I.

And this is where I learned about the protein powders and also that you had one on having a disc replaced in your back and I.

Was like, I got to send this to my mom.

Was like, I got to send this to my mom.

So really there I was looking through some of the things that you've talked about, and these are all interesting facts about life that.

So really there I was looking through some of the things that you've talked about, and these are all interesting facts about life that.

You can learn.

You can learn.

I mean, the podcast is very valuable because everybody who's a human going through what humans go through can find something in your podcast.

I mean, the podcast is very valuable because everybody who's a human going through what humans go through can find something in your podcast.

So I appreciate that.

So I appreciate that.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much.

Yeah, I'm just trying to take my audience with me along for the ride of curiosity and lifelong learning. And you know, I'm not perfect. I try to be as transparent with my audience about my biases and where I've maybe you know, evolved my my perspective on certain things, and so I think that's what my audience appreciates. Like the science, science has never settled anybody who says that, I mean that right there, that is a pseudo scientific statement. So yeah, just maintain an open mind, be a critical thinker, and good.

Yeah, I'm just trying to take my audience with me along for the ride of curiosity and lifelong learning. And you know, I'm not perfect. I try to be as transparent with my audience about my biases and where I've maybe you know, evolved my my perspective on certain things, and so I think that's what my audience appreciates. Like the science, science has never settled anybody who says that, I mean that right there, that is a pseudo scientific statement. So yeah, just maintain an open mind, be a critical thinker, and good.

Things will happen.

Things will happen.

I agree. So okay, before I let you go, where's the podcast?

I agree. So okay, before I let you go, where's the podcast?

Podcast available wherever people listen to podcasts. We're also on YouTube again. It's called The Genius Life.

Podcast available wherever people listen to podcasts. We're also on YouTube again. It's called The Genius Life.

All right, awesome, Max luga Vier, thank you so much for being on good thank you, and thank you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon podcast.

All right, awesome, Max luga Vier, thank you so much for being on good thank you, and thank you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon podcast.

For this episode and others.

For this episode and others.

Go to tutordisonpodcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time.

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