Kumi rocks up with her decaf in a disposable cup which kickstarts a chat about whether small changes actually make a difference. The girls dig into green fatigue and the bigger picture: global emissions fell during the pandemic - except for one big behemoth of a company. Their emissions rose 19 percent (hint, online shopping). Oh, the tracks this week are sweeeeet.

Kumi rocks up with her decaf in a disposable cup which kickstarts a chat about whether small changes actually make a difference. The girls dig into green fatigue and the bigger picture: global emissions fell during the pandemic - except for one big behemoth of a company. Their emissions rose 19 percent (hint, online shopping). Oh, the tracks this week are sweeeeet.

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Michelle and Kumi are journalists who met on Twitter and became friends. They're both curious, and concerned, about why the left and the right is so polarised and why the murky, grey areas of life are not being discussed. So, they dig in every week and chat off-the-cuff about the stuff between. They don't always agree, but that's OK. And their music taste differs - but is truly impeccable.

Kumi Taguchi and Michelle Stephenson met on twitter in a pandemic. This is their story.

The Stuff Between

While You Were Sleeping: Green Fatigue

It's the end of a long year (two years?) and the girls decide to riff, like a good old music jam. They throw a bunch of thought bubbles into the pot, from tapioca plastics to Kobe Bryant. Michelle opens up about the death of her dear friend and a letter he left her. They wind up the poddy season with a few cranking feel-good tracks. New season, February 2022. Until then, stay safe and thank you.

It's the end of a long year (two years?) and the girls decide to riff, like a good old music jam. They throw a bunch of thought bubbles into the pot, from tapioca plastics to Kobe Bryant. Michelle opens up about the death of her dear friend and a letter he left her. They wind up the poddy season with a few cranking feel-good tracks. New season, February 2022. Until then, stay safe and thank you.

While You Were Sleeping: Lucky Dip

The girls jump into the environmental cost of our digital lives, and it's not just our phones and electronics. This is mining on a massive scale: Bitcoin, AI, tapping our payments - they all need huge amounts of power. The stats are kinda eye-opening. Their tracks this week are open-hearted and have a similar vibe.

The girls jump into the environmental cost of our digital lives, and it's not just our phones and electronics. This is mining on a massive scale: Bitcoin, AI, tapping our payments - they all need huge amounts of power. The stats are kinda eye-opening. Their tracks this week are open-hearted and have a similar vibe.

While You Were Sleeping: Power Hungry

A lot has been bubbling away when it comes to vaccines. There are protests around mandates, concerns about vaccine equity, and China is taking its own approach to the pandemic. The girls ask whether all this noise is really about jabs - or is there something else going on? Their music picks could not be more different this week which is a good thing - cos variety, spice of life stuff, you know...

A lot has been bubbling away when it comes to vaccines. There are protests around mandates, concerns about vaccine equity, and China is taking its own approach to the pandemic. The girls ask whether all this noise is really about jabs - or is there something else going on? Their music picks could not be more different this week which is a good thing - cos variety, spice of life stuff, you know...

While You Were Sleeping: Green Fatigue

The Stuff Between

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