Kumi rocks up with her decaf in a disposable cup which kickstarts a chat about whether small changes actually make a difference. The girls dig into green fatigue and the bigger picture: global emissions fell during the pandemic - except for one big behemoth of a company. Their emissions rose 19 percent (hint, online shopping). Oh, the tracks this week are sweeeeet.

<p>Kumi rocks up with her decaf in a disposable cup which kickstarts a chat about whether small changes actually make a difference. The girls dig into green fatigue and the bigger picture: global emissions fell during the pandemic - except for one big behemoth of a company. Their emissions rose 19 percent (hint, online shopping). Oh, the tracks this week are sweeeeet.</p>

Formerly The Best Podcast Ever

Michelle and Kumi are journalists who met on Twitter and became friends. They're both curious, and concerned, about why the left and the right is so polarised and why the murky, grey areas of life are not being discussed. So, they dig in every week and chat off-the-cuff about the stuff between. They don't always agree, but that's OK. And their music taste differs - but is truly impeccable.

Kumi Taguchi and Michelle Stephenson met on twitter in a pandemic. This is their story.

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