It's one thing to talk about money, and and something else entirely to talk to it. But for Rachel Davies, that shift changed everything.

Rachel and her Hi Money co-founder Angela Meyer join Nadine to unpack the emotional side of money. From avoidance and binge spending to deeply held beliefs about luck, scarcity and security, they argue most of us don’t have a knowledge problem, we have a relationship problem.

They share the therapy-style exercise that reframed their thinking, why so many people still rely on “it’ll work out somehow”, and the hidden costs women face, from the wage gap to the pink tax.