Joseph challenges Patrick’s explanation of the Church's teaching on sexual morality arguing that “it’s just a bunch of rules” and that “Jesus is above the rules.” He doesn’t understand why it’s immoral to experience sexual pleasure outside marital intimacy. Patrick engages him in an extended and thoughtful discussion that ends with Joe saying he appreciated the conversation.

The Patrick Madrid Show: January 27, 2026 - Hour 1
51:04

The Patrick Madrid Show: January 27, 2026 - Hour 2
51:03

The Patrick Madrid Show: January 27, 2026 - Hour 3
51:04