Patrick takes us back to that fateful evening in the early 1990s and recounts the frustrating conversation that ensued. Unable to make any headway, Patrick cleverly used a simple napkin with six words to make an impactful point about interpretation. Tune in as Patrick explains the significance of those six words and how it led to a surprising turn of events for one of the Calvinist ex-Catholics involved.

The Patrick Madrid Show: January 16, 2026 - Hour 1
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The Patrick Madrid Show: January 16, 2026 - Hour 2
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The Patrick Madrid Show: January 16, 2026 - Hour 3
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