The Money Show’s Bruce Whitfield interviews De la Ray for his weekly “ShapeShifters” feature.

The Money Show&rsquo;s Bruce Whitfield interviews De la Ray for his weekly &ldquo;ShapeShifters&rdquo; feature.

The Money Show hosts a businessperson who has shown an ability to adapt to their conditions

The Money Show hosts a businessperson who has shown an ability to adapt to their conditions

ShapeShifter

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An archive of each full weekday episode of the award-winning program presented by Stephen Grootes.

An archive of each full weekday episode of the award-winning program presented by Stephen Grootes.

The Money Show

A wrap-up of the day’s business news as well as insight into trends and expert advice on all things money-related with Stephen Grootes

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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A wrap-up of the day&rsquo;s business news as well as insight into trends and expert advice on all things money-related with Stephen Grootes
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Meet Prof Cheryl De la Rey, vice-chancellor at University of Pretoria

Momentum earnings rise

Exxaro shifts beyond coal

Market insights with Grant Nader

War threatens fertiliser supply, raising food

Post Office’s funding and survival

Tech Thursday: The future of data

How small businesses can win with AI

Why do the same investments behave differently

Stephen Grootes speaks to Ben Magara, CEO of Exxaro Resources about their latest results, which reflect a resilient performance despite weaker coal prices, with headline earnings per share up 8% and revenue edging higher on disciplined cost management. The results come at a strategic inflection point for the group as it pivots beyond coal, highlighted by its R10.6 billion acquisition of a stake in the Tshipi Borwa manganese mine positioning Exxaro in a key energy transition mineral alongside continued investment in renewable energy through its Cennergi division. With a higher dividend and a shift in capital allocation, the focus now turns to execution, integrating new assets and driving growth in a more diversified portfolio.

In other interviews, Thabile Nkunjana, Agricultural economist talks about the growing risks to global fertiliser markets and food security as conflict in the Middle East disrupts key supply routes and production hubs. With a significant share of the world’s fertiliser trade moving through the Strait of Hormuz, supply constraints are already pushing prices sharply higher particularly for nitrogen-based products like urea that are critical for crop yields. We look how rising input costs could filter through to farmers, squeeze margins, and ultimately impact food prices, especially in import-reliant countries like South Africa, where the knock-on effects could be felt across the entire agricultural value chain.

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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Stephen Grootes speaks to Ben Magara, CEO of Exxaro Resources about their latest results, which reflect a resilient performance despite weaker coal prices, with headline earnings per share up 8% and revenue edging higher on disciplined cost management. The results come at a strategic inflection point for the group as it pivots beyond coal, highlighted by its R10.6 billion acquisition of a stake in the Tshipi Borwa manganese mine positioning Exxaro in a key energy transition mineral alongside continued investment in renewable energy through its Cennergi division. With a higher dividend and a shift in capital allocation, the focus now turns to execution, integrating new assets and driving growth in a more diversified portfolio.
In other interviews, Thabile Nkunjana, Agricultural economist talks about the growing risks to global fertiliser markets and food security as conflict in the Middle East disrupts key supply routes and production hubs. With a significant share of the world&rsquo;s fertiliser trade moving through the Strait of Hormuz, supply constraints are already pushing prices sharply higher particularly for nitrogen-based products like urea that are critical for crop yields. We look how rising input costs could filter through to farmers, squeeze margins, and ultimately impact food prices, especially in import-reliant countries like South Africa, where the knock-on effects could be felt across the entire agricultural value chain.
The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape. &nbsp;  &nbsp; Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Exxaro shifts beyond coal as earnings hold firm & Middle East war threatens global fertiliser supply

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Stephen Grootes speaks to Viv Govender, Portfolio Manager at Rand Swiss and Dr William Wright about why identical investments can behave so differently across market environments, exploring how value, momentum, and defensive strategies each shine under different conditions and helping listeners assess whether their portfolios match today’s backdrop.

 

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Stephen Grootes speaks to Viv Govender, Portfolio Manager at Rand Swiss and Dr William Wright about why identical investments can behave so differently across market environments, exploring how value, momentum, and defensive strategies each shine under different conditions and helping listeners assess whether their portfolios match today&rsquo;s backdrop.
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The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape. &nbsp;  &nbsp; Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show &nbsp; &nbsp; Listen live Primedia+ weekdays from 18:00 to 20:00 (SA Time) to The Money Show with Stephen Grootes broadcast on 702 https://buff.ly/gk3y0Kj and CapeTalk https://buff.ly/NnFM3Nk&nbsp; &nbsp; For more from the show, go to https://buff.ly/7QpH0jY or find all the catch-up podcasts here https://buff.ly/PlhvUVe&nbsp; &nbsp; Subscribe to The Money Show Daily Newsletter and the Weekly Business Wrap here https://buff.ly/v5mfetc&nbsp; &nbsp; The Money Show is brought to you by Absa  &nbsp;  &nbsp; Follow us on social media&nbsp;  &nbsp; 702 on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TalkRadio702&nbsp; 702 on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@talkradio702&nbsp; 702 on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/talkradio702/&nbsp; 702 on X: https://x.com/CapeTalk&nbsp; 702 on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@radio702&nbsp;  &nbsp; CapeTalk on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CapeTalk&nbsp; CapeTalk on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@capetalk&nbsp; CapeTalk on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/&nbsp; CapeTalk on X: https://x.com/Radio702&nbsp; CapeTalk on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@CapeTalk567&nbsp;

Investment School - Why do the same investments behave completely differently depending on the market environment?

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Stephen Grootes speaks to  Bulelani Balabala, Business Speaker, Media Contributor and Township Entrepreneur TEA about how small businesses can leverage AI, automation and cloud-based tools to improve operations, boost sales and reduce manual work.

 

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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Stephen Grootes speaks to &nbsp;Bulelani Balabala, Business Speaker, Media Contributor and Township Entrepreneur TEA about how small businesses can leverage AI, automation and cloud-based tools to improve operations, boost sales and reduce manual work.
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The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape. &nbsp;  &nbsp; Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show &nbsp; &nbsp; Listen live Primedia+ weekdays from 18:00 to 20:00 (SA Time) to The Money Show with Stephen Grootes broadcast on 702 https://buff.ly/gk3y0Kj and CapeTalk https://buff.ly/NnFM3Nk&nbsp; &nbsp; For more from the show, go to https://buff.ly/7QpH0jY or find all the catch-up podcasts here https://buff.ly/PlhvUVe&nbsp; &nbsp; Subscribe to The Money Show Daily Newsletter and the Weekly Business Wrap here https://buff.ly/v5mfetc&nbsp; &nbsp; The Money Show is brought to you by Absa  &nbsp;  &nbsp; Follow us on social media&nbsp;  &nbsp; 702 on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TalkRadio702&nbsp; 702 on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@talkradio702&nbsp; 702 on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/talkradio702/&nbsp; 702 on X: https://x.com/CapeTalk&nbsp; 702 on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@radio702&nbsp;  &nbsp; CapeTalk on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CapeTalk&nbsp; CapeTalk on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@capetalk&nbsp; CapeTalk on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/&nbsp; CapeTalk on X: https://x.com/Radio702&nbsp; CapeTalk on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@CapeTalk567&nbsp;

Small Business Focus: Unlocking growth: How small businesses can win with AI and Automation

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Meet Prof Cheryl De la Rey, vice-chancellor at University of Pretoria

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