Guest: Hylton Kallner | CEO at Discovery Holdings SA

Guest: Hylton Kallner | CEO at Discovery Holdings SA

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An archive of each full weekday episode of the award-winning program presented by Stephen Grootes.

An archive of each full weekday episode of the award-winning program presented by Stephen Grootes.

The Money Show

A wrap-up of the day’s business news as well as insight into trends and expert advice on all things money-related with Stephen Grootes

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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A wrap-up of the day&rsquo;s business news as well as insight into trends and expert advice on all things money-related with Stephen Grootes
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Stephen Grootes speaks to FirstRand CEO Mary Vilakazi, about how the bank is embedding shared prosperity and sustainability into its business strategy, governance, lending practices and long-term commitment to achieving net-zero financed emissions as part of the Business as a Force for Good series.

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Stephen Grootes speaks to FirstRand CEO Mary Vilakazi, about how the bank is embedding shared prosperity and sustainability into its business strategy, governance, lending practices and long-term commitment to achieving net-zero financed emissions as part of the Business as a Force for Good series.
The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape. &nbsp;  &nbsp; Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show&nbsp;&nbsp;
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FirstRand: Business as a Force for Good

Stephen Grootes speaks to former Ambassador and RiskRecon Director Kingsley Makhubele about the upcoming meeting between US President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping, and what has changed in the balance of power since the leaders last met in May. China enters the talks with stronger trade momentum and deeper diplomatic engagement across the Global South, including renewed ties with India and continued efforts to expand its influence.

The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape.  
  
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Stephen Grootes speaks to former Ambassador and RiskRecon Director Kingsley Makhubele about the upcoming meeting between US President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping, and what has changed in the balance of power since the leaders last met in May. China enters the talks with stronger trade momentum and deeper diplomatic engagement across the Global South, including renewed ties with India and continued efforts to expand its influence.
The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape. &nbsp;  &nbsp; Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Trump-Xi talks: Trade, minerals and the shifting US-China balance

Stephen Grootes speaks to Steve Brookes, founder and CEO of Balwin Properties, about the company’s move into private ownership following its R2.26 billion take-private transaction and delisting from the JSE after almost 11 years as a listed company. The deal, backed by the Public Investment Corporation on behalf of the Government Employees Pension Fund alongside Balwin’s founder and management team, gives the residential developer a longer-term ownership structure and continued operational involvement from its leadership.

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Stephen Grootes speaks to Steve Brookes, founder and CEO of Balwin Properties, about the company&rsquo;s move into private ownership following its R2.26 billion take-private transaction and delisting from the JSE after almost 11 years as a listed company. The deal, backed by the Public Investment Corporation on behalf of the Government Employees Pension Fund alongside Balwin&rsquo;s founder and management team, gives the residential developer a longer-term ownership structure and continued operational involvement from its leadership.
The Money Show is a podcast hosted by well-known journalist and radio presenter, Stephen Grootes. He explores the latest economic trends, business developments, investment opportunities, and personal finance strategies. Each episode features engaging conversations with top newsmakers, industry experts, financial advisors, entrepreneurs, and politicians, offering you thought-provoking insights to navigate the ever-changing financial landscape. &nbsp;  &nbsp; Thank you for listening to a podcast from The Money Show&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Balwin goes private after R2.26bn deal backed by PIC

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