Financial advisers help you get rich and financial counselors deal with the less fortunate who find themselves in a hole – what can we learn from them? Financial counsellor Rob Burgess of Mortgage Stress Victoria joins Wealth Editor James Kirby on this week’s episode. They discuss what a financial counsellor is and why you would need one, why gamblers are treated separately in counselling, if Centrelink is an Orwellian nightmare or a useful operation, and the rules of the game for debt collectors.

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