Full Show Podcast: 24 March 2025

Published Mar 23, 2025, 8:44 PM

On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Monday 24th of March, we get the first inside look at the discussion and process behind the potential FTA agreement with India.  

The public service has been asked where they think their sector can make cuts – Judith Collins explained the census as the Minister in charge of our version of DOGE. 

Andrew Saville and Jason Pine discuss Liam Lawson's weekend in China and the impact of Alex “Grizz” Wylie in the Commentary Box. 

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New Zealand's voice of reason is Mike the Mic asking breakfast with Bailey's real estate altogether better across residential, commercial and rural news talks, head billing.

And welcome today, Winston and a State of the Nation the Indiacrea. They're all back in the country. The talks are actually under way, so we've got the prospect of the dealer in a couple of months. Richard Lowe and his uncle Grizz the government are asking public servants about their job and what it is they do. Are the lads in the commentary Marks Richard and old Steve Price. They got the good stuff as well, Hoscar. It's rip into its seven past six. I think the calculation will be as thinking about this over the weekend. I think the calculation will be that if we win well this weekend against the Tigers, and I'm anticipating we will, then we can officially figet about Las Vegas. What do you reckon when you look at the last two weeks at home, Vegas seems increasingly inexplicable, don't you think. And within those two victories, two very different sorts of victories. I thought of pantsing against manly heap of points pile of free flying football versus the Roosters, where we battled where we see sword, where the points were harder to come by by the way the conversions messed by Metcalf. I don't know what's going on there. That might be a to think about. The Harris de Vita try wasn't under the posts, I know, but it was hardly on the sideline and the kick got butchered. In fact, both kicks got butchered. They barely looked like they were heading anywhere close and in low scoring games two or four points can be the difference, and Luke Metcalf looks good normally, so I'm not sure what happened there. Anyway. The last try was probably the pick of them, but Harris Deavita might have something to say about that. His was very individual and showed some style and confidence I thought anyway worth noting as well for trained spot as we don't normally beat the Roosters, and I think we can say we played the Roosters at their own game and found them wanting. So here's the thing. The more we play like this, like a proper, well drilled, discipline fit, agile professional side, the more weird Vegas looks two from three. It's fine and although round one was a blowout, the comeback has not been scrappy. It's not been lucky, it's not been ropy. It's been a joy to watch high quality football that a Vegas had never happened. You'd be full of confidence that all the expectation and faith placed in the side was very well judged. Indeed, so as I say, let's look or book a good winning this weekend and we can put the whole opener to bed and get on with the season. In totality so far, injuries aside, and that might actually become a bit of a talking point going for but injuries aside, this is good stuff. This is promising. We are competitive and competitive with no shortage of style. Evidence would suggest this is our year.

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Returned back on and indeed he did. And Britain as the chancell that goes about here are gender of cutting and trimming and taking a lot of people are feeling it, but she remains optimistic.

If you look at wages at the moment, wages are rising today at twice the rates of inflation. That is very different from what we saw under the previous government. I'm confident that we will see living standards increase during the course of this Parliament.

Some people, though, who put out a report says it's pretty much not true.

And the danger in the government rejecting our findings is that families are going to feel this anyway. They're going to see their house and cost go up. They're going to see their real earnings go down as inflation outstrips earnings.

And last week we told you about Trump's offer to the Afrikaaners that they are welcome to America away from the persecution. So far seventy thousand of lined up. There's Blake. He ain't one of them.

I don't think anybody has taken us here. You'll always have fringe in any society at a five or ten percent French that will take it up and we'll carry that flag. But the most people I deal with, most of the aspect of love South African will like to stay.

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Check the box in Germany the Upper House over the weekend. That's that half billion dollars the debt break constitutional they needed two thirds Lower House passed last week, needed to go to the Upper House. They represent the sixteen German states, so they've done so. Core inflation in Japan, ironically against what's pretty much going on around the rest of the world. Central Bank look like they're going to hike. They've got three percent. It's up to three percent. Fifteen Gay Right eleven Funds Management. Quensmith's Weather, Good Monday morning to you, Good morning mind. This niky thing fascinates me, how much of it's about we're just not buying sneakers, and how much of it's about their image.

Yeah, it's a bit of everything. I mean, they've had I guess some problems of their own making and disaster sort of strategy of trying to sell direct to consumers. But yeah, the yeah, she has got a bit of a ticking off from Investor's on Friday. That's for sure, down five percent, poorly sales over about nine percent to eleven point four billion, and I reckon things are going to get good anytime soon. So the same that sales are going to decline by mid double digit percentages in the current quarter. So yeah, they're going to clear out stock. It's not resonating. Yeah, they're trying to turn things around and trying to get consumers back, wholesalers back, and yeah issues it's in an environment where things are tough for retailers anyway, right, So they're cots lying down and yeah, consumers are becoming more price conscious. And then you got the issue of tariffs. Nearly a quarter their supplies are located in China, so they they could take a bit of a hit. And then you've got the anti American sentiment as well, So your sales in China were down seventeen percent to one point seven billions, So they reckon they can turn things around. That were new shoe lines coming out. They've teamed up with Kimmy the card issues. They've got this intimate brand skim so they're partnered there. But yeah, a bit of a tough way back to former Glorious mics. You look at the shares are down sixty percent since their pandemic peak. And then yeah, speaking of tariffs and with softening economy, and we also had FedEx out as well, so these years were down six percent on Friday. So I've lowered their profit and revenue four cars so we can the growth and revenue for twelve months and he may is going to be flat to slightly lower. They're also talking about in certaindays on the trade front, and also a little bit of the market Shaer Bettle going on for ups also more businesses, more business with Team and Shine, but that's eating into their margin. So you know, they abing to take a lot of costs out to try and get things back on track. Some two point two billion dollars in cost cuts they're looking at next.

Year well, and then we come back home. I thank the good Lord. The warehouse are back in the black.

Yeah, some great news for the league shareholders. Mike in the Warehouse groups. So yeah, they've been doing it tough during the recession, or they were that procession now at me, but end up here and then't go a bit of a strategic rethink of themselves and they seld obviously torpedo seven for it, but they're given some idea to I suppose things could be turning around. You look at their half you result on Friday, So the group sales down one point six percent, one point six billion, but the rate of decline is easy, and you look at the bottom line. Might you have to tell result was a net profit of eleven point eight million. That's from a loss of twenty three point seven last year. So if things improving, there isn't without costs. I suppose they handing a discount to get shoppers in the door. So they've reset the every day low prices strategy. And that's saw operating profit more than half. But you know, talking about getting fighting fit, they're not quite there. They still actually hold quite a bit of market share, that's around about fifteen percent. Just looking at the businesses quickly read shears just saw a modest half percent decline in sales and no leaving. That was really interesting. I thought sales are out point eight percent, so foot traffic down a bit, but less than the way browsers are more purposeful shoppings. That's helping them out. Over all, the bound sheets a lottiter than it was. So they've got a net cash in nineteen million there at dead of fifty million a year ago. They're still they're going to make a loss in the second half. They make mostly their profits in the in the December half. But interesting thing is, can well can they keep shoppers in without more disaccounting. I suppose they are going to get some asistance from the economy, is borrors get more spring this step. But yeah, she is up two percent on Friday, but down twenty percent the year and eighty percent insince the pandemic peak.

Well, as I mentioned this Friday, it came out Friday. This is this reporting to the supermarkets in Australia. What came with that?

I think it was actually pretty benign when you look at it from the supermarkets point of view. So it was the ACE Triple Seed's report was four hundred and forty one pages long, But basically the key point was there was no evidence or clear evidence of price gouge. And obviously this has been a political football and obviously coming out of the pandemic and whatnot, so that was probably the key point. They've made recommendations that what the government should do and basically make sure the stuemakes are a bit more transparent with respected pricing allows smaller rivals to grow more quickly. But yeah, basically so they said the cost of grocers has risen, but it's actually risen more in other countries, and yeah, it was a bit of a win for supermarkets. So they've said there's basically little that can be done about their dominance. And you look at the market share all these thirty eight percent, Cole's twenty nine percent, Aldi is someway behind at nine percent. But all that said, competition has grown, so your costco like the fe at Amazon and they did one point three billion in sales last year and you got chemiston Warehouse and Bunnings as well competing in other line. So Buty overall feels like the report was relatively benign for the duo terms of outcomes and investors thought, so Shees and Coals up five percent, and well we've surged over six percent on Friday numbers.

Please yeah, so we DOW was.

Up point zero eight percent on Friday forty one nine eighty five. Likewise, the S and P five hundred that closed at five sixty six seven, noes deck up half percent seventeen seven eighty four for two one hundred, down point six percent eighty six four six and the NICK down point two percent thirty seven six seven seven A six two hundred and up point two percent seven nine to three to one. We were insured X fifty with up a half percent twelve one one three goal down twenty two bucks still around record highs threeenty twenty two and ounce ll up twenty one cents seventy two spot sixteen. And the currency markets, we were lower against the US fifty seven point three, up slightly against the strained on at dollars ninety one point four, British pound forty four point four, down slightly flat against the G eighty five point sixty five. This week got plenty going on again, global PMI inflation numbers and AUSSI UK and the US.

We get USGDP durable goods orders.

We've got results in Sinile milk and KMD brands and another read on consumer confidence.

Good stuff, go well, mate, Grig Smith devon funds Management. You the Boston Celtics and they sold for six billion last week. So I can offer you if you missed out on that, the Oakland A's, which is a baseball team. They're worth a couple of billion dollars, so cheaper. They look like they're moving to Vegas and they need to raise some money about half a billion dollars to fund the ballpark in Vegas. Last team that was sold as far as baseball's concerns, the Orioles. They were valued at one point seven to two. So if you've got a couple of hundred million just sitting around doing nothing, then maybe you can get yourself into some baseball. Six twenty one, you're a News Talks. It'd be.

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Talks a b how bad did you feel for the people on planes? Hundreds of planes all over the world, and you're flying there towards London. Suddenly the cadget this is your captain speaking. Unfortunately, he throws on fire and is closed, will be landing in Paris. I mean, there's your holiday wrecked to pieces. So the first thing is that the Energy Secretary of Ed Milliband, who's a very well known known in British politics, he wants an urgent investigation. There was some sort of early suspicion that maybe it might have something to do, you know, the anti terror people rolled in. But there's nothing suspicious about it apparently. But the big question mark that was raised over the weekend, how is it possible that one of the world's busiest airports is supplied by a singular source of power? So when the singular source of power goes up, everything stops. How mad is that?

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Now, if you haven't caught up on the snow White debarcle, this might be one for the record books. So we got the movie. The Movie's Are Bust. Opening day brought in twenty eight million dollars, opening weekend seventy five million dollars. Is that a lot? No, it's not because the budget four hundred and thirty six million, and that doesn't even include marketing. Couple of main issues, one the decision to CGI the dwarfs, the doors aren't real, and perhaps of more concerns the lead, who's a young woman who turns out to be a nauseating pain in the bunk called Rachel Zigler, who just is woke to beat all wokeness. So in the movies or in the interviews for the movie, she starts whining about the original film and how for the original film was because it wasn't a love story, it was the story where snow White couldn't consent. Then you've got a co star called Galgado, she plays the Queen. She decided to use the publicity to support the Palestinians, who of course are not in the movie are anywhere close to it. So to try and resurrect all of this, they've released one of the songs and a couple of clips to YouTube. This is highly unusual given them movies only three minutes old. I shouldn't tell you. Also, by the way, they didn't have a launch per se. They had a very very gentle, quiet launch in what seemed like the cafeteria at the back of the studio because they didn't want any people there from the wider world. In case. The year two forementioned started whining some more so their Disney parogue business just full of regret, just making you want to go see the movie. I'm not feeling not really, it is actually out in theaters now, sweet speak. If you do go to the movies, I don't know if anyone goes to the movies anymore, But if you do go to the movies, put some money in the meter, because if you don't put the money in the media, you get a parking ticket. But actually, don't put some money in the meter, because if you do get a parking ticket but turns out this morning with new figures, no one actually follows it up. So you get a parking ticket, you don't pay it, and nobody seems to care. And there's tens of millions of dollars out there apparently, just just waiting for somebody to pay. We will talk about that because that was quite the seguay. We will talk about that later on. But Winston Peters is with us directly after the news, which is next a news talk zb.

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There's another judge n Zones. We'll get to the States in Richard Donald shortly and the street price out of Australia very interest has moved from alboin Easy yesterday and he is supporting people to work from home as part of a cost of living thing. He's worked out you can save a lot of money for transportation, which of course is true, but it goes against everything business is trying to do and it's tragedy to get people back in the office. So while we'll have more on that later. Meantime, at twenty three minutes away from seven, we got the New Zealand first State of the Nation yesterday in christ Church. Now we had diversity high as puberty blockers, mining the Paris Climate Accord. It was all on New Zealand First leader Winston Peter's with this morning to you. Never mind, what are you looking to do? You're trying to create clear ea from coalition partners.

No, I'm just looking to state the plain facts that the last election was a process of massiveness. They had a one month out from the election, a prefew or the update before the election. It was a tissue of lies and I pointed out, and which is the reason why we took so long to turn around of a sessionary economy back to making progress. Now we do then that to interact and in the fact surrounding what's going on in New Zealand, how many things are so contrary to sound policy?

When do you reckon? It turns around in people's mind. Because there was a poll out last week. I don't know if you've seen it because you've been away, but it sort of rated you on issues, not you, but the government on issues and you've got a three out of ten and it doesn't look good. And your counter argument will be, will we inherit it a complete enough shambles as we see the economy turn, when does that sink in with the voter? Do you reckon?

My point yesterday was to tell of mainstream media you stood there, you were the victim and we all were of a tissue of lies, and you didn't do your dune job. And that's the reason why we had our stat of Nation that's on Sunday yesterday, because this week, just the last week, we finally got the update that said the economy that you've been paiding is being miserable is actually on a turnaround, a long way to go. That's why it was so important.

Yeah, but that's why I'm asking, when do you reckon that's sinson with the voter and they get it and see it.

Oh well, look, so many people are university coffee by express when it comes to political science and those sort of studies. But we're not concerned about that in these infest We're concerned to guard there and say that this country has got a memorous chance to turn itself around be what we used to be, a leading country. But we got to do some fundamental things publy, like extraction. We can't afford to go forward with stupid work signaling policies, so to speak, like the Paris Accord, which needs to be re examined because it's actually killing us as an economy.

When you say the Paris Accord, would you pull out of the Paris Accord completely?

Now I'm saving these young people right here, right now, you've all been sucked into the matter. I'm asking for a reconsideration. The four countries I named, China, United States, India and Russia a responsible for almost six percent of the carbon credits of the carbon issues we've got, and where at point is zero point one seven. What on earth can we possibly do? And we've been signing up to process where twenty two billion plus is going to come out of our economy to some foreign economy and nobody knows.

Why do you do?

You feel uncomfortable though, that although the National Party have driven this and it's being paired back, it's just not pared back as much as you would like, and therefore that's an ideological battle or not.

Look, you've asked me the question, and the question answer is really this. They went there in twenty sixteen and signed up to parison. Nobody knows why as an exercise where they were persuaded that somehow this will work. It's not. And no one's paying attention to earn the big economy, so to speak, and we're just on a futile mission here. And it doesn't make any sense. I'm saying, if you're going to tend twenty two billion dollars, then why not spend in your own economy, in your own country and trying to fix the problem yourself. It is just, to my sense and my party sense, a waste of our time.

The Labor line when you said, as the Labor Party, this current loss. If they got rid of a few of them, would you look at them again or are they out full stop?

Look, mister Hevgins displayed his awful incompetence when he was in the jobs that he did have. He had one after the other jobs. He gets to become the leader of the Labor Party, has a bonfire of all their policies and then he gives us speech as I said yesterday, setting out why they got things wrong on the Harbor Bridge, strug Away light rail and all those things. If they hadn't done the homework, he said, and that's why things failed. If you're that incompetent the first time around, why would you trust and to do the job the second time around? But I don't know why everybody keeps asking this question because I stand for a particle in New Zealand first. But other parties policies oars their business, but not ours.

Rubio, how well informed was he of what's happening in this part of the world.

It was essentially well informed, and so was his team, and so was the the security and National security advisor for Donald Trump, Walsh mess. There were seriously well advised about those issues that you've raised, and unusually so, because you know, I've been there in pastimes where I found that people have not been as well prepared as they were.

Good to talk to, you appreciate it. Winston Peaus, New Zealand First Leader, eighteen two.

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Interesting insight into the trust or lack of and media. It's an Edelman survey published in Australia last week. But as far as we're concerned, trust in the media sits at thirty five percent. Is that good? No, it's not because the global average is fifty two. But I'll work you through that later on six forty five.

International Correspondence with Ensit Eye Insurance Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business Rich Donald.

Good Money, morning to you. Pensions and Lucknik. Where are we at?

Yeah, the system of old age pensions here is very much in the spotlight right now. This is money that is taken from everyone's wages and put into a separate fund to pay social security checks as they call them. It was put into effect by Roosevelt in the nineteen thirties, so been around for a long long while. Sort of a fundamental aspect of US governance. The role of the administration was to bank the money and send out pension payments. Sadly, governments from both parties took some of the money and spent it on other things. So the fund has some issues. Now into Elon Musk, who calls the system a Ponzi scheme, which it certainly is not. It's tax byer money, nothing to do with Musk and whatever he might want to spend it on. And now Trump's Commas secretary how it? Lutnik says, what does it matter if all the folks don't get their chicks on time?

Let's say Social Security didn't send out their checks.

This month.

My mother in law.

Who's ninety four, she wouldn't call and com play.

She just wouldn't.

She thinks something got messed up and she'll get it next one h.

A fraudster always makes the loudest noise, screaming, yelling and complaint.

What the hell is wrong with this guy and the idiot interviewer.

You don't get a promise pension payment, well, you know, get some cash from your X Wall Street to invest a son. Because anyone who complains would be a criminal, right, Former Commissioner of Social Security, Martin o'melli says this is despicable because she says.

Forty percent of all seniors living alone depend entirely upon Social Security.

Yeah, we're talking about forty million people. Emeli, a Democrat, says.

People should be rightly outraged. They have worked their whole lives for these benefits. They have worked over generations to make sure that they could be there for their own kids and grandkids. And what's going on right now at Social Security is absolutely appalled.

Well, what's going on? Here's the dealon masks. Minions have announced plans to fire thousands of people who work at Social Security and also to close field offices where elderly people might have been taking their concerns, so you know, they might have traveled a bit further, lot further.

Who knows all this?

While Trump's acting head of Social Security threatened the other day to shut down the entire Social Security Administration in a couple of days on set Ah didn't mean it, folks, because after all, if you don't get a pension check, Mike, what's the worry?

What's it matter? Where are we at with the Dems?

Yeah, better late than ever. The top Democrat in the Senate, Chuch Humor is trying to hit back against complaints within his own party, mostly that Democrats are weak in responding to the Trump administration that have been calls for human to quit. He says today not quitting. He is also responding belatedly to those who slammed him for signing on to that temporary debt increase which prevented the government shutdown the other day. A number of them said they should not have cooperated with Republicans in keeping the government open with a Continuing Resolution CR in which the Dems had no input, but their votes were needed to get it pass well. Schumer now is explaining his worries a bit more, that Trump and Musk would have taken charge completely and could have kept the government closed for months.

Who determines how long the shutdown would last. Only those evil people at the top of the executive branch in the Trump administration, And one Senator Republican told a Democratic senator colleague of mine, and this guy is close, This Republican senator is close to the DOJE mask people. They would keep the government shut down for six months, nine months a year, till everyone was furloughed.

So that's his take.

Meantime, left wing lives Senator Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Kazio Cootis have been out on the campaign trail doing rallies in Republican red states and drawing just big numbers. Bernie Sanders just had some thirty thousand people attending an event in Denver, is more than he ever drew when he was actually running for president.

Well, all right, might catch up Wednesday, Richard Arnold state, So, I just before we leave that part of the world, I mentioned the federal judge temporary restraining order barring Doge from getting access to personally identifiable information at the Social Security Administration. Then we got associated with Doge. Elon Tesler company called Edmunds have put out interesting information over the weekend in March. They saw the highest ever they deal with the car industry in America, the highest ever share of people trading in their tesla's. People can't trade in tesla's fast enough. Also over the weekend, unfortunately, the cyber truck has been recalled. Forty six thousand cyber trucks have been recalled, which is pretty much every cyber truck that's ever been made has been recalled because those bits are falling off. I did read also over the weekend. Unfortunately, there's a cyber truck somewhere in the country at the moment doing the rounds in the publicity round so I don't know if that's one of those cyber trucks.

It's going to be so anyway, they seems to be recalled. So often are they recalling it from the places that they've recalled them time?

No idea. I know whether you also have to pick up the bits that fell off to send them back either. It gets tricky, doesn't it. Nine minutes away from seven the make.

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Trust in the media not particularly high. This is the trust barometer. Thirty five percent of people think they've got trust in the New Zealand media are down by once. It hasn't really moved, but the global averages fifty two. What you do and what does tend to skew the global averages. You get repressed countries where there's a great deal of government control. In other words, the press isn't free, and those people tend to believe in the media more so than in more free, open societies like New Zealand. It's down from forty one in twenty twenty two. Competence and ethics in the New Zealand media well underwater. Negative ratings only matched by government agencies, which is disturbing. Social media is down eight points to twenty percent, and I have no idea way we trust social media at all. Sixty seven percent of those believe reporters and journalists lie. Isn't that amazing? Sixty seven percent words, the vast majority of people believe reporters and journalists lie or purposely mislead. For government leaders, it's fifty eight. For business leaders, it's fifty nine. In the media it is sixty seven. Pretty roping, And I can see how people come to that conclusion. They don't lie. Journalists do not lie, certainly the ones I know do not lie. But do they mislead? And that is the vexed and interesting debate five minutes away from seven, all the ins and the outs.

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Now we've got a link now between the Trump tariffs and the real estate market. So this comes from related group Varsit guy called John Paul Perez. They're a real estate development company that operates in seven US states and around the world. Indeed, he says, before the tariffs have even come in, the subcontractors are already putting up their prices by as much as twenty percent. This is of the old inflation story all over again. It's reading the report that was and Economics over the weekend in America saying there is just no dispute that tariffs are inflation. You can't escape the simple truth that prices go up. People pass on the costs. In this case, they're passing on the cost before anything's actually happened. It's all based on the anticipation of higher costs. Of course, could likely go even higher when the tariffs actually start in the early part of April. Just for the construction of materials alone. The National Association of home Builders it says it could add more than thirty thousand dollars to each build for a standard home. The luxury into the market remains unchanged, which is interesting. It's the market where the houses are between one and three million that's showing the most volatility. So that's the American housing market. I got to ask somebody this week. I don't know who we're going to get on, but somebody's This beef thing's got me fascinated because there's a big station in Australia over the beef, and I mentioned it briefly last week. So the Americans sell a tremendous amount of beef to the Australian sell a tremendous amount of beef to the Americans, as indeed de we. But the Americans are not happy. They finally got it on their radar and they're banging down the door of the White House to say that the balance is not there and the Australians do not import any American beef. Now I don't know whether we import in the American beef either, So if they've got the Australians and their sites, they might well have us in their sites. And given how well we're doing with America at the moment, and it's not just in beef, it's and things like wine, I wonder if we're just not in for a spot of bother there. But we'll have a look at this throughout the week as as the opportunity presents itself. Now, all the people in India, you'll be thrilled to They actually got back to the country, so that's good. Means the planes work, So that's the first encouraging news. Second thing is what happens next this free trade? What happens when's this happening? Are we going to do it in thirty days, sixty days and ninety days? And what's it going to mean to the country. Gris Wiley passed away over the weekend. It's been a faint old story to tell you about Gris Wiley when I last met him, meet him in Timaru? What will we doing in Timaru? I hear you ask, well, a happy answer later and as Judith Collins our version of dog, we'll have a look at the public service as well. Meantime news is next? Your news still.

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Those who spent seven past seven, by the way, those who spent the past week in India with our trade delegation of back. The headline was the FTA. Of course talks are underway. There was some hope we can stitch it up in a couple of months. Apparently New Zealand Trade and Enterprise CEO Petter Cristmas with US Peter Morning, Good morning mich How much of what unfolded last week was predetermined before we even left the country.

Well, I know that mister McClay had been worsening on the through trade agreement for quite some period before then, so but we didn't really know exactly what was going to happen until we arrived.

How far down the track are we in talks?

I look, anything about the free trade agreement I really need to leave to Minister maclay and the Foreign Ministry because as you can understand, it's very sensitive. I won't be negotiating in public. So I'll say away from that.

One, what's your sense of the goodwill level? Is their genuine good will on both sides to make this thing work handstick?

I think?

So there was without doubt considerable warmth, an engagement between the Prime Minister and Prime Minister Modi that was very evident, and also throughout the business Delegation and the Community Delegation was one hundred and twenty of us in the market. There was lots and lots of engagement and interaction. We had thirty three different deliverables that we signed up, which was just a whole pednacles of access and partnerships all over the country. So yeah, it seemed pretty genuine to us.

The sadness for me has been we should have been there ages agoh, I mean this has been there is sitting duck ready to do some business, aren't they.

Well, I think you know, it's just really the convergence for both countries. I mean, India is really just starting to open up. It's the biggest latent demand pool in the world. You've got a billion new assumers coming on. But it's quite recent for them to sort of open their open themselves up.

I mean, and they're not.

Going to open themselves up to any country to sell it, and they're really more looking for countries who want to partner with them. So it's not really a cell too, it's a partner with and so these things take a long time to curate. This just doesn't happen overnight.

Those this whole sixty days, ninety days whatever. Does anyone actually have a clue. We're just making that up as we go along.

Again, I'll leave that Minister maclay and what he would like to say publicly about that.

I read a couple of reports from reporters from behind the scenes. It seemed a draining old exercise. It was full on, is that fair?

Yeah, it was a huge week. Arrived at Monday mornings. Sort of my head spinning a bit, huge week, but you know, energetic and yeah, it's great. It was great to be with a whole lot of people from New Zealand and going to a country together to take on a country for the of New Zealand. They are very strong, positive feeling about the whole thing.

Good stuff. Peter appreciated it. Peter Crisp, who's the CEO of New Zealand Trade and Enterprise, Tim and it's past seven, gonna be robed. Look up there. Sort of the behind the scenes quite interesting insight. Many of the journalists who went, who wrote their reports complained a lot about how they couldn't get access to anything because they had their phones taken off them and their record has taken off them, and their notepad's taken off them, and their bags taken off them and everything taken off them. And that's how the media internationally works. You don't just get to rock up to people like Mody and ask them about you know, the price of butter, it doesn't work that way. You sit in the holding room and you don't go anywhere, and that's journalism one oh one around most international markets, which just reminds you how extraordinarily unusual slash lucky we might be in having the access to our politicians. But the background's probably worth having a look at. So eleven minutes past seven Auckland. Along with many other problems, it turns out this morning has as you're run, parking finds that aren't being paid. Of all the tickets issued since twenty twenty one, only sixty eight percent of them have actually been paid. The New Zealand Parking Association chair Mike Kelly as well as Mike Morning, I'm very well, indeed, thank you. That's my learnings for that. I didn't know we had a parking association. How long has that been around.

I've been around for about thirty years now, so yeah, supporting all of the councils throughout the country, private parking operators and various equipment and system suppliers.

The problem, well, so if you can talk from a national point of view, so I don't bore the rest of the nation whitlass with yet another Auckland story the payment of tickets. Is that an issue anywhere outside of Auckland or is it an urban thing or what?

No, it's across the country. Most councils I think that you talk to will have will had the same concerns that we have a limited window to have our tickets paid, either directly to the council or through using parties like Baycorp. And then there's a limitation on how long before we can send them to the Ministry of Justice, which is the usually x escalation process.

Is there a site called have a psychology at play here? I don't take it seriously, therefore I don't pay it, And that's the bit that needs to change.

Yeah, I think so. There are lots of people out there that have hundreds of tickets, that will get tickets every day for repetitive offenses and not be too bothered about that at all, and they just go to the Ministry of Justice and get added onto their.

If you like.

And what happens to me, nothing?

Is it?

I mean, it can go to go. I mean literally, nothing's going to happen to me, is it?

That's probably more a question for the Ministry of Justice, because once it's been sent to them. It's out of the road patrolling authority's hands. So yeah, it's you know, it is up to them to try and enforce that on our behalf. And it's not a cheap process to engage them as a defllection option, So they.

Need to chase it up harder. And if they chase it up harder, they might get to action. The problem you've got is the antagonism, haven't you, Because I'll get these tickets from bus lanes and cycle lanes and I hate them, and i hate the people who did them to me, and I'm angry, and so therefore I'm not going to pay them.

There's a piece of that too, and I mean some of the things that we have to do also is to move the legislation forward and be a bit more current. You know, for example, we're required by law to either place a parking ticket on a windshield or send it in the post. As fablish applies to councils rather than the private operators. Because in the land, in the registration system for your vehicle, there is no email, there is no verification of the data, and nobody actually verifies your address or verifies that if I sell my vehicle to you. You know, if you don't actually sign the piece of paper say I've purchased that vehicle, it sits at limbo. And of course we can't find out who actually is responsible for that.

Ticket exactly all right, Mike good On, So I appreciate it very much. Mike Kelly, who's the New Zealand Parking Association chair. Thirteen minutes past seven. On the beef, we export one point three to seven billion or beef to them, second biggest export market behind China. We import next to nothing. Now I don't know whether we import next to nothing. We import thirty one million, thirteen point seven percent of the stuff we import. I don't know if we import next to nothing because we make our own and therefore we don't need theirs, or we're like the Australians and we've got rules and regulations around the import where but effie about it. And if that's the case, no matter what's the case, whether the Americans are going to look at us and go there are the numbers, there's an imbalance, and we're going to terrify our way out of that trouble. So that's something to watch. Fourteen past the.

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Judith Collins as the Public Service Minister. They sent out this weird sort of questionnaire asking public servants to go, so what do you think of your job?

What do you do?

All that?

It's very doge anyway, they're going to publish those results and presumably do something about it, So we'll talk about that shortly meantime. At seventeen past seven, Alex Wiley, as I'm well aware, one of rugby's greats passed away yesterday. He was eighty, had a ninety one percent success rates as an All Blacks coach, played eleven tests for the All Blacks in the early seventies. Former All Black and his nephew, Richard Lowe, is what this Richard, very good morning to you.

Good morning, Mike.

I guess you're on that tricky business of sort of private grief as a family having to sort of share it with the nation, aren't you.

Yeah, I suppose you are the family close family are I think anyone tied up with Rugby will be remembering him for what he did.

He was a time a well ioway saw him anyway as a time and a place sort of bloke, hugely influential, but in that old fashioned New Zealand not a lot of words kind of with it way. Yeah.

I probably remember him first of all as an uncle that played for the All Blacks. But then it was quite quite interesting. I departed school at at fairly early age and ended up by playing Gemark, where he was captain number eight and along with him the Graham Higginsons and the Andy Jeffords, another couple of All Blacks. And you know, you grow up from being a schoolboy to a young man very quickly under that sort of leadership.

Was he likable beyond the gruffness? Yeah?

I think over the years he's mallowed, which a lot will say. But you know, I heard Don Hayes say about him last night. You know, yeah, he came across his gruff and hard and everything and which he was in his playing days and probably coaching days two. But as Don said, he was a big, softy under thing.

Do you reckon he transcends the ere. I always think about people, I mean, twenty five year olds listening to this game, Griz who do you think he's bigger than the era in which he was around?

Specifically, Yeah, probably probably is in a lot of ways.

He he.

Coached and played with a hell of a lot of people and left his mark. And I would suggest, you know that sort of thing, we'll go down in history. And I know up at the Glenmark Club he's held right up up higher on the pedestal, so you know his history will continue for many many decades to come.

Good good insight. Richard appreciated Richard Low, Who's nephew. And I'll tell the story later. But I played pool with them once in Timaru and somebody just came up to me. I happened to be in Timaru and they said, do you want to play a game of pool with Gris Wiley? Which is not what you expect because I wasn't in Timrou. It wasn't like a professional circuit that we were traveling on the Paul tournament circuit. I was in Timaru for other reasons. They said do you want to play Gris Wiley? And Paul I said why not? But then came the story. Anyway, seven.

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We're entering what's actually less than three. We're entering yet another winter where it's touch and go on power supply. The minister's been busy whacking his finger at the gent tailor's. The Climate campaign has bark on about the role of renewables. We continue to import record amounts of coal to cover the gap. We've cut a deal to keep Huntly going ever longer. Because the renewable dream is getting further and further away. Renewables may or may not be the answer to our problem at all. The simple truth about water, sun and wind is there beyond our control. Coal and nuclear isn't. But we seem to insist renewables are what we want to do, and yet we don't do it. That is nimbiism as far as I can work out's going to kill us. We seem happy to be shocked every year at the coal pile. We seem to be happy to be unhappy at the idea we don't have enough power to get us through winter. The industry who tells us they're investing in wind and solar, but are they? How many get turned down versus how many actually get the go ahead? Are we actually progressing or taking a step forward and then a step back? Here's your ultimate irony. There's been a lot said about this government's fast track law. Right their fast track law is actually just an extension or an amendment of the old fast track law which Labour produced during COVID. Under that fast track law, this particular wind project that I talk of got turned down. So is a no fast track or no track? Hey question, if you can't get a wind farm through under fast track, are we actually into solving issues or not Faski. My Australian lady was on zeb She said, the US did stuff to their beef and that's why, yeah, I know, I know all that they stick stuff in there, and that's why the Australians object to bringing beef in the guards full of this and that and the next thing. But that's not gonna matter to do you think Lutnik. You think that Lutnik's gonna deal with the nuance of that. I don't think so, Mike. Journalists are no longer perceived as objective. You went off on this. I gave you that survey, the Edelman survey before seven o'clock. Journalists are no longer perceived as objective. Reporting has been corrupted by the perspective of the organization and the confronting opinions of the reporter. It's one hundred percent true. And I've watched it happen in my forty four years in this industry. I've watched the whole thing slowly but surely, sadly implode. COVID was the final straw, as far as I can work out, And as I've said on this program about a million times, the worst of it is not a person like me. You know who I am, You know what I think, you know what I'm about, straight up and down. Like me, don't like me, whatever the case. The worst of it is the person who pretends to be neutral but isn't. And that's where it's all gone horribly wrong. Mike. The problem with our media is that they believe for anyone to read their content, they have to be a hero, has to have a hero and a villain, and in doing so they shape and exclude facts, which means they skew their view. It's not a bad point, Mike. Some media lie by omission when they push an agenda or a narrative lacking balance or objectivity. I suppose the counter to that is that you can work that out for yourself. Mikey is serious. After COVID and all the false information the Labor government feeding us through the media, I will never trust them again. There's a lot of that. Judith Collins with her questionnaire for the public service and where I mean, how many reports of the public service do we need? We got the Deloitte one into health the other day, we've got the Brian Roche one that says they're not up to it and they're not fit for purpose. Now Judith's sending out her little pamphlet to ask some more questions as well. How many questions? 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Did you catch the interview with Alex Elbon about Redbull's front end, the stiffness settings that Max likes and how the impact on the other driver? Yes? I did, and that's a long standing issue and we haven't covered poor old Liam, who's in the fight of his life at the moment, but we will shortly twenty three minutes away from eight before we do that. Thanks not a look at the public service with the government asking whether the work provides value for the tax payer. We've got thousands of workers having been required to identify areas for further cost cutting across every government agency. The Internal Census also looked at the use of TERRAO and the work from home arrangements. The results are expected later on this year. The Public Service Minister Judith Collins isn't chargeable of this and she's with us.

Good morning, oh and good morning to you mate.

Now what have we got going on here? Is this a phishing expedition? Do you have a path you already want to follow? What are we doing?

Well?

The Public Service Commission has previously done a survey of public servants and this is one which is very focused on, first off, a few things, one how to save tax payer money? Are there opportunities that the public service servants can actually see themselves? But it's also around saying things like sexual and harassment and bullying are not acceptable the workplace, so let us know if your concerns are being met. So there's a two way. But there's other things too. It's quite a wide ranging census.

I've been through these things before. When you say are there savings to be made, they come back and say, we'll have different buns at morning tea and we'll save on paper clips. It's a waste of time.

Well, I don't know that it is actually the public service when when we took over in government just over a year ago had grown in six years by thirty four percent. As well as consultant spending is going right through the roof. So no, I don't think so. I think what there are there will be some people who think this is a bit of a joke. But the words that are used in this sense is that all the way through it are taxpayers money. That's something that needs to be rammed home every single day that there is no money from government. It's taxpayers money, either taxpayers now or taxpayers in the future. So that's a message that's very clearly all the way through the sense.

Why don't you just doge them, get in their bulldoze the place, clean it up.

I don't think we've got quite the same situation as the federal government in the US. And the other thing too, is that we're going to have a We've asked for savings on consultants outside consultants. We're looking for four hundred million dollars I think Wednesday this week the results were out. I'm expecting that to be considerably more than that. So we are looking for the savings and a lot of the public servants they want to be efficient, they want to be effective, and they want to be proud of their work.

Well I'm not sure about that, because I've read the Roche report and I've read the Deloittees report into the Health. The Roche report said the public service is not fit for purpose, So don't you have the ammunition you need.

Well, we've got the Roach in charge of it now, so we are sorting it and you're going to find that there are going to be big changes. So Brian wrote to the Commission of Public Service. He's been pretty clear. There are some things he thinks we should get rid of altogether. There are other things that he thinks to be done more effectively. We are absolutely working on that. At the same time, we have to keep things moving and we are and you know, if people want a doze and all that, we have to work within the law. And the other thing is we've got changes the Public Service Act which are coming up because under Chris Hipkins when he was in government, what they did is they put all this rubbish into the key concerns for chief executives the public service of bringing everything back to basics. Do the job, do it well, do it efficiently, and remember someone else's pain and by the way, that someone else's youth.

When you talk about the Deloitte's report into Health New Zealand and their problems and I watch both year over the weekend talking about Health New Zealand being a problem around the freedom of information, is that individual units that are more problematic than others.

Well, health is not my portfolio. I'm happy to give you my view that when you take was it twenty eight mostly dysfunctional organizations put them together. Nobody loses their jobs. Everyone keeps a job and gets a new title of manager. You're going to get a problem. And that's what they did.

Labor did.

So it is being sorted, but it is going to take some time. But you know, it's like merging dysfunctional agencies never brings about instantly. A better functioning agency just doesn't work.

No, it does not. I wish you were were that. Judith Collins, Public Services Minister, eighteen minutes away from eight task gets why doesn't the sports team give Liam credit or even mentioned for passing or finishing seven places from starting up from twenty Well he didn't, he didn't, And then that I need to explain it in just a couple of moments if you missed the story, because the story is becoming more complex and detailed and problematic for Liam just quickly. This is where the government gets themselves into trouble and I'll be talking to the Prime Minister about it tomorrow. Things they want to do versus things that are actually happening. So the Construction minister guy called Chris Pink, he's criticizing counsels now for what he's calling stopping the clock. This is on building consent applications. Right, sixty percent of the applications are paused so authorities can request further information. Now, the whole government idea was to speed everything up. That's why they're reforming the RMA, and we're going to make life easier to build a house and you can have more house for less rules and so on. Anyway, there's one hundred and forty six hundred and fifty five applications processed. Medium processing time of nine days. So far, so good. Statutory obligation says you've got a process by twenty days after receiving the application, though the authority can make a request for further information an rfine. Now, when you do that, it stops the clock. And stops the clock. Mean your days don't tick buy anymore. And given the bulk of them asked to stop the clock, all of a sudden it becomes more expensive and more delayed, and he's saying, well, wait a minute, here, the cost of this, an estimated twelve day working delay, adds an extra four thousand dollars per house. And when you're doing it, sixty five percent of the time count are not doing what the government wants him to do. So on one hand, you make the big grand announcement and say, here's what we're going to do. Here are the new rules, here's how it's going to work, and here's how much money you're going to say. Real world, it doesn't happen, and that's why the government's a bit bogged down with the stuff at the moment.

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It'd be fourteen away from it. So your heart goes out to Liam Lawson at the moment because he's he's on the verge of getting not sacked. He'll be replaced and put into the racing bulls if things don't improve and improved dramatically. Micah thought he came fifteenth, not twelfth. If you missed, did he came? A couple of people got disqualified, So, in other words, did he work his way up the field. Not really a couple of cars retired after the end of the race too. Ferrari's got disqualified, ghastly got disqualified for technical issues, and so therefore he sort of almost came twelfth by default. The more important thing, and this is a very good text, Mike Newby here one you be here, can you give us an insight as to why the red Bull car is so hard to drive? For a second drive. The answer, in really simple terms is to make a car compliant, you need downforce. These cars operate their best on downforce, and the more downforce you have, the more stable the car is. In other words, downforce forces the car into the ground. If you didn't have downforce, the car is so light and so powerful it would simply leave the ground. So you use downforce to give it traction. Now Max uses less downforce the front than he does at the back. So, in other words, if you have the same at the front and the same at the back, you have it's a balanced car. The problem with the balanced car is doesn't go as fast, and so you try and unbalance the car to the point where you can drive it where it's got less downforce but more speed. And the brilliance of a Stappen is he's able to do that in a way that most other people can't.

I see one of those guys who sort of leans forward over the steering wheel bit when he drives.

Probably not, but anyway, Liam and it hasn't been given enough practice. And that's another weird quirk of the sport. There are very there is very little time you get to spend behind the car. So it's not like he sits there in the car during Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday just driving it round and round and around and getting really used to it.

Can you not sneak out in the middle of the night.

You can't because they hear the engine when you start it. And so the problem is that Max drives it in a way that only Max can drive it, and nobody else seems to now. When they went for the test at Silverstone last year, Liam, after seven months of not driving it, jumped in and got within two tenths of Max for step and they saw that and they went the guy can drive. He still can drive. They know he can drive. They've got the data to show he can drive. What he can't do at the moment is bring the confidence with him to do it and it's killing him and so it's one of those scenarios in which the worse it gets, the worse it gets. And so my guess and gut is they'll give him Japan on a week and a half's time and if he doesn't to it, because that track he knows, and he's been on China and Australia he hadn't, so you've got to give him that. So if he can't perform in jan and they're going to drop them, they'll put them in the Racing Bulls and they'll probably elevate THENOA on that, I note that a helmet Marco over the weekend said that look at Hedger who's in the Racing Bulls team as well. But as short answer to your question, it's the balance of the car. And the car is so unbalanced you need to be a freak to drive it, and Vastapens a freak and Liam unfortunately it's not.

I don't understand though why. I mean, they're two different cars.

They set them up the same way. They don't have the material, the resources, the money, the time to they can tweak, which they did. If you notice Liam started from the pit lane they did a couple of things in Melbourne. They had, for example, a different nose, of different downforce wing and they tweaked little bits and pieces, but the fundamentals remain the same. It's like driving a Toyota versus driving a truck. It's still a truck and it's still a Toyota. You can put mags on it, you can put a flag on it, you can change the upholstery. It's still a truck and it's still a Toyota. And that's what it boils down to. So he's stuck with the red Bull recipe, turn away from it.

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Baking of sports, have sorts seven away from a Sharp Blacks chasing the World Cup in Paris, Ada, Barbez Butcher is going to be testing their skill sets against thirteen other countries in twenty twenty two. We've got bronze Sharp Blacks Captain Ricky Kittikitty is what this rookie morning to you?

Oh?

Modern, I might is this thing getting bigger each year in terms of participation and interest?

Yeah, absolutely become a global event. I think they've got a couple of new countries that are coming from the Asia. Yeah, it's just gets big every year and looking forward to getting there.

Good. We've got a team of eight. How do they get selected? What are they what are they looking for?

So we have it's actually more than We also have young butchers and young apprentices competing and we have a team the Sharplick Team, which is six. We also have a reserve, so that's seven. But basically the young butchers and apprentices are competing in their own event against the best young butcher's and apprentices in the country. They are selected through our competition, our local competition. If you win that, go on to the final and win that. That's part of the prize, which is a great prize, get to travel around the world and compete against the best with the team a bit different. So this team that we have is the same team we head back in Sacramento when we did the selection process. We went through the opened up to whoever wants to apply and went to the process with the panel and pretty much the same team came back, was selected and performing in Paris.

Brilliant. You've got any sense of where you're at when it comes to the competition.

I continue, we're as far as where we stand on the global stage, very good. And past competitions because there had been Sharp Legs before us as well, pretty much always on the podium, had first seconds. Obviously Sacramento we got the bronze. So yeah, very good. We're held in high esteem and we've got some great skillful butchers in our country and we love to showcase it.

Around the world.

Fantastic. Go well, hope you win. Ricky Ketticia, here's the Sharp Blacks captain with us this morning, six minutes away from eight. I make good analysis on the Red Bull laws and for staff and except if they dump them, that'll be the fourth second driver fail. All four can't be that bad, as James Vale said, blame the problem, not the person. James Valles as the head of Williams of course, which brings into the text. So Perez wasn't that bad at all. Well, he wasn't that bad if Lawson fails, And of course Perez wasn't the first. We've had Ghasly and elbon Go before him. Antonelli, Mike did ten thousand k's practice prior to the start of the year. That's true. There are very very strong rules around what you can practice, or when you can practice, what you can't. And what they did with Lewis and what they did with Antonelli is they gave them old cars. And you can go in old cars and just go around the track and practice a lot more than you can in a current car. So Lawson missed out on that.

Also, could he can not have got like on an e scooter or something and just gone round and around Albert Park. No, during the Christmas holidays or something.

No, Okay, Red Bull got into this mess by not going outside the doing the season testing. Leen never got to spend time to get All of that's true. All of that's true. But here's your problem. When Helmet and Christian get together, none of that's going to be discussed. Helmet's not going to go. Do you think Christian we might have given them an old carra but yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes, but that still doesn't solve their problem. For Japan, so Yuki Sonoda, if Yuki can come in and do something brilliant, then the problem solved. If Yuki comes in and he can't do it, and had you comes in and he can't do it, and then nobody can do it, and then you go back to what James Vale said. But the problem do not underestimate the Yanks and the team because v Stappans not winning, So they're not winning the Driver's Championship and they're not winning the Constructors' Championship and that leads to very unhappy people. And when they get to be very unhappy and Red Bull, they get to sack you. And so this is where we're at as we head to Japan in a week and a half's time. News for you in a couple of moments. Then Jason and Andrew will be the business.

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Who may have minisuast eight Andrew helvill of Us along with Jason Pine Morning fellas, Mike Andrew, how well do you know? Gris Wiley.

Had quite a bit to do with them when I worked in christ Church in my formative years, Mike, as you would have too, I think around those times like late eighties, early nineties. Of course grew up as you did, grew up idolizing Grizz and that Canterbury team that won the Shield in the early eighties and held on to it before that lost to Auckland.

He was, you know, the words.

Legend and greater often thrown around a bit, but he was a true legend of Canterbury, not only Canterbury rugby but the province itself. When you think of Cannaby rugby, you think of Grizz Wiley from from North Canterbury days through to coaching them, through to playing for Canterbury and the All Blacks, and then coaching both Canterbury and the All Blacks later in life. A remarkable man, someone who was really larger than life in rugby and outside of rugby.

Do you know?

I played Paul with him and Timaru and they came along to me and they said, you want to game of pool with Gris Wiley? And I said why not? And they said the only thing is you got to pay doubles And I went what? And they said, you got to play doubles because Griz doesn't play singles. And I go, I go, why not? And he goes because he doesn't want to lose. So if he loses you, he blames someone else. You cannot you can you cannot have the bragging rights that I beat Griswiley at Paul, so we had to play doubles. Weird ruling.

I remember, as a young man, when I was still learning the art and craft of off field play, a couple of social activities where there was no way you were going to leave early when Gris Wiley was there. You often feel that massive beer poor slap you on the shoulder with another refreshment, and yet there was no way you would head home early. But great great storytellerat yeah, great great man and obviously a big loss for his family.

Do you know him, jose Cannaby news on rugby exactly.

I knew him from watching his All Blacks teams, obviously from Wellington, not christ Church. I was gutted when Wayne smith scythed through and took the shield away from us in eighty two to start that wonderful run. But the teams that Griws coached in the late eighties I think were some of the best All Blacks teams we've seen off the back of that Rugby World Cup when he took over from Subrian Lahure head coach eight eighty nine, some of the best rugby I've ever seen. And I think it was a bit of a shame really that he was forced together with John Hart for the nineteen ninety one Rugby World Cup. That was never a happy marriage. But didn't have the opportunity to meet Griz in a social setting as sav did very often and probably quite a good thing by the sounds of it.

George Foreman, Sav I might just respect just back Degres that talking to a lot of his former players yesterday, some of them just too upset to you know, to talk on camera or talk and media, which is quite understandable. All of them said he just had such a huge impact.

On their lives.

He changed their lives for ever in that Canterbury team. It's nice and many have gone on to great things.

It's a funny thing. I was taking a richer lae about it earlier this morning and I was trying to get across he was. He was one of those. I mean, it's of an era where the public persona was not who he was. Privately he was nice, but you know what I mean, it was all gruff and publicly, but privately it was a bit of that also, but equally there was more to it than that. I always remember Lorrie Mains. He used to be miserable in the media, but privately was very nice, and then when he lost his job as All Black coach, suddenly it's Lori Mains is the nicest guy you've ever met, and you know, a.

Heart of gold, big softy and also a lot of people assumed he was just such a basic rugby coach because of that nice ownA, But from what I found out, used to say he was very innovative and and ahead of his time in fact in rugby.

Coaching exactly and seventy since George Foreman, Jason two young, seventy six. But the grill. I'll never forget the grill.

No, or the fact that he came back to win the world heavyweight title at the age of forty five, you know, knocking out Michael Moore. I mean, we all remember, you know, the Fraser fight when he knocked him down six times in the first two rounds to become world champion, rumbling the jungle of course. Goodness me, what a what an iconic event. But then yeah, to then retire but come back at forty five. But yeah, the grills and well, we talked about gris being a big teddy bear off the you know, off the rugby field.

That's exactly what George Foreman was.

Anyone I've read or listened to talk about him was that he was just that way as well, just a.

Very generous man with his time and his energy. And yeah, I mean, but he could hit man. He could hit Fraser, Ali Mora and many others. I think he had seventy eight knockouts in eighty six fights. That is some hard punching, not bad.

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Do you think sad with Lawsons? You're twenty three years old, You've got your big break, You've spent the summer in New Zealand anticipating your big break. Your big break turns to shite in two weekends, one in Melbourne, one in China, And as far as I can work out, they'll give him Japan. But unless he turns it round and something miraculous happens, He's toast, isn't he.

I'm just going to ask you how much more time will they give him.

They'll give him Japan, would they give.

Him more than that?

I mean, if they see something in Japan, it's not a sprint weekend, so you get some good practice. And if they see something in Japan but they see yesterday, I mean the thing about that, You've got to understand he didn't overtake anybody, I mean all the other I mean, you look at the result, the result looks better than it is. There's no speed there. He can't drive the car. And unless he learns to do that all of a sudden.

What do you take note of that? I did take note of the end of all times down the left hand side of the screen last night. And yeah, he wasn't getting any closer to the guy in front of him. No, which they brought him in two or three times, didn't they for different tires. They keept changing the tires, changing.

This and that.

Is it a combination of clearly the clearly there was an issue with the tires in China. What about the lack of time and the cary if he drove racing balls last year, but very very different car, very very different set up.

But you can't make up to what you haven't got. They can't go look, you know, go practice for six weeks and come back and see us. It's that it's too late.

But some of the commentators were saying they should have had him in an older car, which they're allowed to absolutely over the summer.

Grun Chanduck said that, and he's right, he's one hundred percent right, But that's retrospective. They didn't and he hasn't, and therefore it.

Is what it is.

You've got the tires, you got the set up, and also the massive expectation that must surely be that pressure, that expectation on her must be massive, is massive, and it gets.

Worse because it's psychological can because it's all confidence. And he knows he can do it because he did it at Silverstone at the test got within two tenths of max. So he can do it. But you know, do you believe you can do it? And if you don't believe you can do it, you won't, and if you don't, you're out. It's as simple as that.

How different would his car set up beat of a Stapens? I think it would be quite different.

Yeah, but yeah, it's the same car though. I mean, yes, you can stick in your nose and a new you know, foil and stuff, but it's the same car. And so if you don't like the car, or can't handle the car, or the cars unpredictable, then that doesn't change it. You can paint it purple and put a you know, you put a banana seat on it if you want. It's not going to go any different. It's still aridical isn't it. And that's and that's your problem.

So I think you're right Mike with.

I think you're right with they'll give them Japan, although there's already talking about Yuki Sonoda being in the seat for Japan.

I mean that would be very.

Now, that'll be unfair.

That'll be unfair, wouldn't it, wouldn't it?

Yea?

So look, but the pressure on the kid goodness doesn't.

Need time in the car. It's a hard cut of driver. It's not a great car. That's a step and could only finish fourth last night. Look, I just think time is running out and he doesn't have it.

No, And the problem is if they put Sonoda in and he can't drive it, and then they'll put hajurin and he can't try, then what have you achieved? Well, yeah, yeah, you just boot through a whole lot of drivers for no particular reason.

It's not going to be described as the poison Chealics is at number two to the step. And what would happen if they put Sonoda in the red ball and then Liam back into racing balls and Liam does better than Soda.

Well that's the other thing. That's where that was where it was worth before. If you remember when he was at racing balls, he was out qualifying people. And you've got to remember Snoda last night. For all the talk of Sonoda, here was his car fell apart and he didn't even you know, didn't get anywhere. So, I mean it's it's a multi pronged problem. But from our point of view, patriotic point of view, it's a great sadness that somebody who promises so much is on the verge unfortunately of imploding in a fairly sort of global public.

Again, doesn't it prove the extra dream high tech nature of these cards and also the massive global pressure on youngsters. I mean a couple of those drivers are teenagers in that field.

Yeah, that that fortunately is the other problem Antonelli, but they are and lower the are and lower cars well. Well, Antonelli's in a Mercedes, I think. I think the Mercedes is a good car, and Antonelli's driving it well. But you look at Carlos Science, one of the best drivers in the world. He's still getting to grips with us Williams and that's a much easier car to drive than anything he's driven before. So I mean, you know, he's got excuses. It's just that the patience factor will run out. Unfortunately, Yes, did anyone play the football Jason over the weekend? I didn't see any of it.

Where no ALEI got it International break mic because what it was.

That's why Chris Wood was here and we were playing some some island nation thinking it was a big deal and we're going to the World Cup.

Well yeah, the island nation, big Figi of course on Friday.

Well I mean come on, I mean this's this whole thing. Of course we're going to beat Figi and then we'll beat New Caledonia and then because there's eight hundred countries going to the World Cup, of course we're going to go to the World Cup. That's how it works, isn't.

It, Mike.

The path might be different, but the end reward is the same. Yes, it's an expanded, bloated World Cup of forty eight teams, but that's not New Zealand's fault. They haven't made the rules they've been handed them. Ironically enough, the All Whites of twenty twenty five probably would have got through the old way. I think they're as good at football team as I've seen play for us. Expecting a big crowd there to night at Eden Park. I'll be amongst the thirty five thousand.

Will yes, I will be there. I know you probably won't be, Mike. I hope tune in at some stage.

Are we well? Let me okay, listen in anticipation of the victory tonight in our trip for the World Cup, will we as a nation come to a grinding holt when we draw three times and think we've done well?

No?

That, see that is now not sufficient for this group of players.

I think we'll grind to a halt when New Zealand gets out of the group, gets into the knockout stages and Chris Wood and Marco Staminich and many of the others show on a world stage exactly what they're capable of.

So you're right, draws aren't any good anymore. I know you love your Draws.

Cup next year and these footballers can't win, can they? If it's one or it's a boring game according to hosting, If it's ten mil.

That's true, I'm hopelessly consistent. Now, Sam, I need you to get onto the big story in the sporting world. Are you do you know of Charlie Gallico? Charlie Gallico, right, Charlie Gallico is eighty. He is Reggie the Rabbit. So he's a mascot for the NRL team. Right now, do you know the problem with Reggie the Rabbit.

What's the problem with Reggie.

Reggie the Rabbit is on social media having punched a nine year old, so an investigation has been launched. Reggie the Rabbit went rogue. So I need you to be onto that tonight. Please.

Was it his own grand kit? He would have had a lot of kids.

From the From the footage I've looked at this morning, the kid was giving him a bit of lip and Charlie, being eighty dressed as Reggie, wasn't having any of it. So he gave the kid a clip, and of course you can't do that as a mess.

I'll look into that. I tell you what I saw yesterday, some wonderful vision of Grizz Right that eighty five game Aukan Canterbury Lancaster part We had a camera on the sideline following Grizz and he had to make his way through the crab. Remember they were down about twenty nine halftime, and he came on and gave him this rousing half time speech. He had to wind his way through all these people who'd gathered on the sideline base and it was out of control, and some guys said something to as he walked past, Grizz turned and.

Gave him a bit of a slap.

This guy then swung a punch at Grizzys.

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We go see plast good morning, good ay, that whole time. What have we got this morning?

Well, newspollows out, but what they've done is they've gone back over newspot tracking from the beginning of the year too now and they've gone state by state and they've looked at age demographics and for most both the major parties it's not particularly good news because Labor has seen a seven percent drop in support from females. Now what we put this down to, well, no one's quite sure. Peter Dutton's all always polled badly with younger women, but it would appear that the old teal factor may be about to kick him again. You might remember some key Liberal seats were lost off the back of Scott Morrison being a bully, while we're now talking about whether Anthony Albanezi can get women to trust him. And the polo is very interesting state by state because it shows and you and I've talked about this a lot, not surprisingly did Victoria ends have a real anti labor mood about them at the moment, and they're going to blame the federal government for what the state government has done to Victoria. So that's not good news for Antony Albneasy. He's got to hang onto seats here and there are some predictions he could lose up to eight and like the prediction I know, I kept giving you predictions about elections but you can probably go to the bank with the fact that the PM will go and see the Governor General on the weekend coming up after the budgets delivered tomorrow night, and we'll have either a Mail three or May ten.

Election, given that you've had surpluses and tomorrow night's going to be a gargantuan deficit. And also despite the gargantuan deficit, they're going to be handing out cost of living entitlements, so free money for the election. Do people just go cool, I'll have the money, thanks, or does somebody somewhere go we can't afford this, and why are you running the economy this way?

Well the media, the media run that line, but I'm firmly of the view that the punt of the voter is not much about deficits anymore. I was speaking to a leading economist on the weekend who said that this is one of the fundamental changes in the debate industrata about finances. We're now going to have deficits. It would appear that will run up to twenty thirty five, twenty thirty four, so ten years into the distance. And the Treasurer himself on Sky yesterday said that we're on track for years of deficit that remains to be seen when the budget will go back into surplus. So even he is admitting it, and if you have a treasurer from either of the major parties just simply saying, well, you know, we're going to have deficits as far as I can see. And then clearly they're polling. Their internal polling is telling them that the voters don't care much.

How are they going to sell I knowe I was reading yesterday Albaneze is going to pitch this work from home as a cost of living thing, so you know, I'll try and help you and you can save all that money on transportation costs and stuff like that. How does that dubtail with what I'm assuming is business trying to get people back into the office.

Not only business but also state governments have made it very clear. I mean Queensland, off the fact of the Liberal National Party win there, I've told people you've got to go back to work, community, You've got no excuses anymore. We want you in the office. And that mood is also pretty much the same in New South Wales and South Australia, who are too labor states. So I'm not quite sure what Albanez he's doing or what he's doing is politicking and electioneering, and it's all going to be about I'll give you more money and make your life a bit simpler. I mean, we had the leak and the weekend papers about the gap the electricity the energy price rebate from the federal government's going to continue and kick on until the end of the year.

But don't people, I just don't get it. I mean it's like, hey, I know your power bill and for a start, they promised it would be you'd be saving tenn ord seventy five dollars. You're not saving anything like that, and so they're handing out money they don't have to you. But do people not work out the government can't pay your power bill. When the government pays your power bill, there is something wrong with the system.

Yeah, it's just give back your money. I mean, we're a very highly taxed nation and they're just using those taxes to bribe people to vote for them.

Will at work?

It might? It certainly means the election is going to be very close. You had Senator Gallagher yesterday, Katie Gallagher, the Finance Minster bragging about how they're going to save seven hundred and twenty million not spending it on consultants. My question there would be, well, why were you doing that in the first place?

Exactly? Is it true to say? I also read yesterday the suggestion. In fact, it was more than one suggestion. Dunton's gone off the boil he's had. He was on a roll and now it's gone a bit sour. Is that fair or not?

That is fair?

But we haven't started the election. He interestingly, will on a Thursday have a budget replying, a budget in reply speech to deliver to federal Parliament after Charmers delivers the budget tomorrow night. And he has made it very clear today that he will have a major announcement in that budget in reply speech. What does that mean? Probably means that he's going to spend as much money as labors, but he is going to have a major piece of economic policy to announce on Thursday, after being criticized for not.

Having one outside of nuclear. It seems to me that the coalition go, oh, yeah, we'll do that too. Is there a lot of that going on? And if there's a lot of that going on, why would you vote for somebody else? Have been not different, very good question.

It particularly applies to health and education, which are the strong points for labor. And we saw Peter Dutton immediately put his hand up and said we'll spend that too. When Albanize made a major announcement about three point five or six billion dollars and Peter Dutton came out and said, well, not only match that.

Will spend five hundred million more.

So you're only going to change your vote. And that's what changes governments if you are annoyed at the way the last three years have been for you personally, either in business or as an individual taxpayer. And the mood is around in some states that that is exactly what people are doing. Will it hold until May three or ten, We'll have to wait and see.

How about Oscar Ray, He's the real.

Fantastic Yeah he is.

I mean, I feel sorry very much for your boy, Liam. I think he's copying it really poorly from the media and from some within the Formula One circus who seemed intent on talking the kid down. I don't know why Oscar You know, he came. He was on pole first time that he has been a pulse at He just took off. They tried to get in on the start, he just drove the perfect race and there was a great quote for him across the weekend when he set the fastest time to take Paul. He said that was the hippin of my life. And given how quick these quotes drive, it must have been a hell of a corner for him.

Fantastic. Go well, how's your shoulder mate becoming right? You're swinging the clubs, you're practicing in the garage.

Yet please don't bring it up.

See Wednesday see price out of Australia for us this morning at is sixteen minutes away from nine Osky. Like I remember Griss Wiley turning up for drink at my wedding. His wife was the venue director and he came and had a drink with a group for twenty five year olds. Was awesome, very nice man. Morning. Mike had the pleasure of Grizz's company a few years ago as a domestic air news Hillen captain. We invited him up front a flight from Queenstown to christ Church. We didn't talk rugby, which I believe he appreciated, but instead we answered as many invaried questions about the aircraft and the flight. An absolute gentleman and a memory old treasure. There you go eight forty.

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King will be very happy. As in Charles. He and Camilla are off to a state visit in Italy, which works out well because there was some concern that the Pope wouldn't be there and they're basically going to see the Pope. Specifically, it's the early part of April, symbolic building of the links between the Roman Catholics and the Church of England. Of course he will attend the king an ecumenical in the Sistine Chapel and historic first. He's also going to visit the papal Basilica of Saint Paul's outside the Walls. Coincides with the King and Queen's twentieth wedding anniversary. Said it's nice, good place to go at you're into that sort of thing. As warm up. King hosted a dinner at High Grove. Didn't know this, but the menu was inspired by Stanley Tucci, so that's nice. He's going to meet the President of Italy. He's going to meet the Prime Minister to become the first UK Monich to address both houses of the Italian Parliament must talk to Joe about this. This week there's a state banquet, isn't there always joint fly past over Rome by the Italian Air Force in the UK's Red Arrow. So that's quite the trip and the Pope looks like he'll be set to see it, which is fantastic. The other thing I must ask Christopher Luxem when he's on the program tomorrow is once again Wayne Brown, who's the mayor of Auckland. And I don't want to boy you with an Auckland story, but it's got this tourism thing, and he's been big on this. He claims he's got promises from people in China that the Chinese airlines that they're going to launch routes through Auckland to South America and that Chinese goods are going to be shipped through bonded warehouses here. If only we could get our act together with the China. Now, the problem with the moment is, and of course this goes back to the tourism story over and over again. They're not back the way they used to. Part of the problems the Chinese aren't coming here, and part of the reason is that the Chinese aren't coming here the way they used to is they've got to fill out these visa forms. It's difficult to fill out visas. Why wouldn't you go to a country where you don't have to fill out of visa and bypass New Zealand, which they're doing so Wayan Brown is arguing we need visa free travel now. I tried a couple of bite and what would have been a month or so ago. I talked to Erica Stamford and the Prime Minister about it, and they were very in that kind of What they wanted to say was we don't trust the Chinese, hence they need visas, but they couldn't say that. But in not saying that and not being forthcoming about it, you're really saying it by default, aren't you. I mean, when you say that, you know there are some countries that are visa free in other countries that aren't. In China's one of them, you're essentially saying we don't trust the Chinese. Anyway, as Wayne Brown so eloquently put it over the weekend, that's CIA bullshit. So I mean, you can't argue with that.

That's why people have ever the diplomat exactly.

That's why people love Wayne Brown. That is CIA just get rid of the visas, get them into the country, and once they come into the country, suddenly you're going to have a whole bunch of airlines flying through walcome to South America. You're going to have a whole other of Chinese goods coming through the country, and you're going to see untold fortune and wealth coming to this particular part of the world. So anyway, I'll raise that with the Prime Minisaur again tomorrow nine away from nine, the.

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Of things I should mention the Sudanese Army if you missed it over the weekend of recapture, the Presidential Palace. Is that material tis sort of that particular war and that particular part of the world has been going on since April of twenty three, so it's coming up to two years old. Twelve million people have been forced from their homes, millions more faced famine. Is it over?

No?

Is it close to being over? No, They've got the presidential palace. I suppose that's something. Indonesian law has been changed over the weekend as well, very Sahato well Subianto. Basically it allows the military more power, a bigger role in government, the fearers. It could return Indonesia to Sahato's day. So the current bloke Subianto, former special forces commander and Sahartu's son in law. Of course, allows military officers to take up positions in government without first retiring or resigning from armed forces. So people worried about that's not to worried about when run the world at the mome is complicated or place at the moment five minutes away from nine.

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Now tell you what of all the elections, this one could be. This could be the one to watch because Carney this morning if you've missed it. Mark Carney, who was once the head of the Bank of Canada, but more famously the head of the Bank of England before he went back to Canada and went, oh, I think I might like to run this place currently prime minister because Trudeau turned out to be useless of course, and then quit and he got given the job the other day and then sworn at as prime minister. Anyways, called the election date for April twenty eight, And as part of the campaign, he's got a video and it's at a nice hockey rink and he's linked up with a well known fate as part of his plage. And this is why he may will actually make this contest. It's called take on Trump. Mister Prime Minister, Mike Myers, what are you doing here?

I just thought i'd come up and check on things.

You live in the States, Yeah, but I'll always be Canadian, but you live in the States.

Yeah. So do you remember mister dress Up, the children's show on CBC. What were the names of Mister dress Up's two puppet friends, Casey and Finnegan?

Bud uh Spud?

Howie Meeker Capitalist Saskatchewan, Regina, tragically Pitt.

You're a defenseman defending a two on one?

What do you do take away the pass?

Obviously?

What are the two seasons in Toronto?

Winter and construction?

Wow?

We really are Canadian?

Yeah, but let me ask you, mister Prime minister. Will there always be a Canada?

There will always be a Canada, all right? Elbows out, elbows up. Connie's good. He's a natural, isn't he. In delivering the script, most politicians couldn't deliver it. Well, who's very clever. Myers, by the way, is playing Elon Musk on SNL. He's also wearing an ice hockey shirt with the last name Never on the back. The number is fifty one, never fifty one. Get it, state governor. So here's the right. The problem was up until this point of the reason Trudeau quite if you hadn't followed all of this, is they were being thrashed and they will probably lose because they've been in power for ten years. People are second tired of them. During COVID, he went and sort of chanced his arm and did the whole hey, I've looked after you. Well in COVID, do you want to re elect me in a majority government because it was a minority and they said no thanks, and so he stayed on as a minority. So the Conservatives have been ahead by as much as twenty points. Post Trump and the tariffs and the governor and the fifty first state thing, suddenly the government are back and there's a race on and it's a tight race and this guy Carney looks the goods. So we'll see how that goes. What was once a fall on conclusion now is not anyway back. Tomorrow morning from six Happy Days.

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