This is a special, bonus episode of The McKinsey Podcast. McKinsey Partner Ferry Grijpink joins host Roberta Fusaro from the annual Mobile World Congress in Barcelona.

This is a special, bonus episode of The McKinsey Podcast. McKinsey Partner Ferry Grijpink joins host Roberta Fusaro from the annual Mobile World Congress in Barcelona.

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The McKinsey Podcast features conversations with experts from global management-consulting firm McKinsey & Company, focusing on the issues that matter most in business and management.

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Our flagship series The McKinsey Podcast takes you inside our global firm, and features conversations with experts on issues that matter most in business and management. McKinsey & Company is a management-consulting firm that helps businesses, governments, and not-for-profit organizations realize their most important goals. Topics covered in this series include strategy, technology, leadership, marketing, operations, organization, and the role of business in society.

Our flagship series The McKinsey Podcast takes you inside our global firm, and features conversations with experts on issues that matter most in business and management. McKinsey &amp; Company is a management-consulting firm that helps businesses, governments, and not-for-profit organizations realize their most important goals. Topics covered in this series include strategy, technology, leadership, marketing, operations, organization, and the role of business in society.

McKinsey’s key takeaways from Mobile World Congress

Most leaders herald the promise of AI, but many employees see it as a looming threat—a modern echo of Annie Oakley’s classic lines: “Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you.” What does it take, then, to lead constructive partnerships between humans and AI agents at work? In this episode of The McKinsey Podcast, McKinsey Senior Partner Alexis Krivkovich and McKinsey Global Institute Partner Anu Madgavkar speak with Global Editorial Director Lucia Rahilly about new research on what AI can and can’t do, where humans will continue to add value, and what needs to happen to help all of us work side-by-side with agents and robots successfully.

Theme music composed, performed, and produced by Joy Ngiaw.

Most leaders herald the promise of AI, but many employees see it as a looming threat&mdash;a modern echo of Annie Oakley&rsquo;s classic lines: &ldquo;Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you.&rdquo; What does it take, then, to lead constructive partnerships between humans and AI agents at work? In this episode of <a href="https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/mckinsey-podcast">The McKinsey Podcast</a>, McKinsey Senior Partner <a href="https://www.mckinsey.com/our-people/alexis-krivkovich">Alexis Krivkovich</a> and McKinsey Global Institute Partner <a href="https://www.mckinsey.com/our-people/anu-madgavkar">Anu Madgavkar</a> speak with Global Editorial Director Lucia Rahilly about new research on what AI can and can&rsquo;t do, where humans will continue to add value, and what needs to happen to help all of us work side-by-side with agents and robots successfully.
Theme music composed, performed, and produced by Joy Ngiaw.

The rise of the human–AI workforce

People often expect their leaders to have all the answers; David Novak built his career by challenging that assumption. On this episode of The McKinsey Podcast, the former CEO and cofounder of Yum! Brands and current chair of Versant speaks with Eric Kutcher, McKinsey’s chair of North America, about the experiences that shaped his leadership—from engaging with front-line franchisees to managing a very public product flop—and how other leaders can learn from them.

Theme music composed, performed, and produced by Joy Ngiaw.

People often expect their leaders to have all the answers; David Novak built his career by challenging that assumption. On this episode of The McKinsey Podcast, the former CEO and cofounder of Yum! Brands and current chair of Versant speaks with <a href="https://www.mckinsey.com/our-people/eric-kutcher">Eric Kutcher</a>, McKinsey&rsquo;s chair of North America, about the experiences that shaped his leadership&mdash;from engaging with front-line franchisees to managing a very public product flop&mdash;and how other leaders can learn from them.
Theme music composed, performed, and produced by Joy Ngiaw.

What great leaders know about not knowing it all

Foreign direct investment (FDI) used to sit in the background—important, but distant from day-to-day strategy. That’s no longer true. Today, massive capital commitments into areas like AI, semiconductors, and clean energy are signaling which industries will scale, where supply chains will land, and which regions will dominate. In this episode of The McKinsey Podcast, McKinsey Senior Partners Nick Leung and Olivia White explain to Editorial Director Roberta Fusaro why FDI has become a critical early indicator of competitive advantage—and what leaders should be watching now.

Theme music composed, performed, and produced by Joy Ngiaw.

Foreign direct investment (FDI) used to sit in the background&mdash;important, but distant from day-to-day strategy. That&rsquo;s no longer true. Today, massive capital commitments into areas like AI, semiconductors, and clean energy are signaling which industries will scale, where supply chains will land, and which regions will dominate. In this episode of <a href="https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/mckinsey-podcast">The McKinsey Podcast</a>, McKinsey Senior Partners <a href="https://www.mckinsey.com/our-people/nick-leung">Nick Leung</a> and <a href="https://www.mckinsey.com/our-people/olivia-white">Olivia White</a> explain to Editorial Director Roberta Fusaro why FDI has become a critical early indicator of competitive advantage&mdash;and what leaders should be watching now.
Theme music composed, performed, and produced by Joy Ngiaw.

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