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You're texting all the time and doing stuff, you know how, You hear stuff, rumors and stuff, and I there's a lot of what the information I get I don't pass on to you because they can't get it verified. And so this just comes. This is something that was brought up three weeks ago to me, two weeks ago. To me. It's not a story or a report, but it was floated to me. Is that somebody in the NFL said, what if Andy Reid retires if the Chiefs win? So Andy's like mid sixties, and I thought, why, he's so vibrant. He loves coaching, and he said, And so I'm like, is that going to happen? And this person said, oh, I'm not saying it's going to happen, but you know, I heard it from somebody maybe, and and I thought, I gotta ask. I didn't ask Andy the last time I had him on because I didn't think at the time that was appropriate. But you know, we always we always think about how great Patrick Mahomes is, and he is. Let me tell you something, if Andy Reid just decided they win the Super Bowl, he's like, I'm going off for the sunset. He won't. Who would you replace him with? Sean Payton's off the market, You're not. I don't think Jim Harball works for this organization. Who's the candidate? I mean, so I'm not saying the Kansas City story is obviously led by Mahomes. I'm not disputing that, but don't kid yourself in this combo deal. Andy Reid is substantial. Andy Reid got to I don't know how many NFC championships with Donovan McNabb and kind of not all time great quarterbacks. Then he takes the two or the three win Chiefs. They went eleven the next year, and I think he's made the playoffs like eight or nine out of ten years in Kansas City. Don't kid yourself. And Lincoln Riley's not coming right now. We saw Matt Rule fizzle out. You could go to that Kafka maybe Eric b Enemy. That's kind of a drop off. So when I heard this, it wasn't like a news story, but it was somebody saying, I mean, what if? And I was like, there's not a lot of candidates. I mean Andy has separated now the rules lean offense. Andy is separated from most of this league. I mean he is kind of a we always knew for years and years Belichick was the best coach and Andy was in a strong competition for second. In fact, he'd give Bill a lot of trouble now and he's the best coach in the league. Bill's not second. So the point being is this is a great Mahome story, it's also an Andy Reid story. This guy's the best coach in league history. Off of by he gets all quarterbacks to the playoffs, he got multiple quarterbacks to the NFC Championship. I mean, I think Donovan was mostly it. Maybe maybe Donovan was all of them. But this Andy Reid thing is we are looking at. In my lifetime, there's been five or six coaches that just felt Blichick's one, Bill Walsh was one. Andy's one. Probably promote from within, right, keep the continuity going. Think yeah, but just think of all the years of Andy Reid, the the institutional knowledge in his head offensively, but the enemy's bid with him. No, I get entire mahone. But but proximity to greatness does not even get true. A lot of backup quarterbacks aren't great quarterbacks. They could be around Brady for ten years. So just because you're around something doesn't mean you can make when you're making the calls. I mean, just think how many decisions you make in a day. I mean like semi big six to twelve a week. That's seventy a month, that's two hundred and eighty. What's that a year, that's three three fit whatever that is your big decisions. Start making a few of those wrong. Every day things go sideway fast, So play callings, schematic game plans, meeting room discussions. It's it's not easy. This stuff is tough, and so I think for years and years, I think I think Andy Reid's one of the seminal coaches of my lifetime. You know, there was Chuck Noele in the seventies, I mean that was understood Lombardi, then Chuck Noll and then we had a bunch of really really good ones and then it's for me. Anyway, I've taught my head Bill Walsh feels like, now Don Corrielle with the Chargers was great, but he wasn't winning championships. Then there's Bill Walsh and everybody's copying Bill Walsh, and then there's Andy Reid. Now you see all the Andy Reid tree guys. So I do think Sean McVay has done this as well. Where Sean's guys like Zach Taylor, the kid in Minnesota, Sean has this ability. He's a teacher. People steal bits and pieces from Sean they leave and they win. So but Andy is I mean when I talked to I had Michael Vick on this. Any time I asked Shady McCoy was on the show the other day, Michael Vick. Any time I ask anybody who's ever been I think Mark Sanchez was at some point in Philly. You asked him about Andy Reid. It is literally different if he left after the Super Bowl. I mean, you're going from a coordinator to the best coach in the league. Not all vice presidents are made to be presidents, just not the way you would think it would be linear. It would be well, I watched this guy, then I can go in. It's like, doesn't work that way my whole life. It does not work. Then you remember Mahomes and the enemy got into it an Indie this year at the end of the half. I remember that was unhappy the enemy playing it safe. And well, the other thing is, you know this super Bowl. I was asked. I was in Portland yesterday and I was asked about the Super Bowl, and I said, I really feel like it's a fight. Like I like going to fights, and sometimes you have a feeling for a fight. But I went to a Pachio fight a couple of years ago, and it was Thurman. He fought Thurman. I knew after the first round. I'm like, oh, I have wildly misjudged this fight. Styles make fights, and Pakia I was gonna win this fight. He was going to win this fight. You could tell very early. I would love to watch two series in the Super Bowl. I'd have a much greater sense. I think if Philadelphia can run the ball, Kansas City could be in trouble. If Philadelphia can Miles Sanders, Jalen Hurts some RPO stuff, if they're moving the football, can keep it away from Mahomes, push the defensive front of Kansas City around, I think the Chiefs are in trouble. I think Kansas City knows that Spags has been around this league forever. I think I think Philadelphia says we want to make Jalen Hurts throw because I like Jalen Hurts, but he did not throw the ball well. He's clearly still hurt. He did not throw the ball well in that game against San Francisco. So you know you're looking at that film and you're like, just make him throw. He'll be nervous. It's a big game, we'll get a semi decent pass rush. That to me is a very obvious game. But what you don't want to do if your Kansas City is if Philadelphia can run the ball, they keep Mahomes off the field, that means you're uneven time of possession, Philadelphia's dominating it. Then it gets Then that game gets really murky. Kansas City can play it from in a front or behind. Philly's more built to play with a lead, and they usually get it. But I know I can see what both teams want to do. I just don't know how it's gonna land. Philadelphia wants to run the ball and play keepaway and that gives them great play action opportunities against the young Kansas City secondary. That's what they want to do. What Kansas City wants to do is win that coin toss, get that lead, be aggressive, forced Jalen Hurts to throw the ball. Now, some of that will come down to one of the chiefs corners in concussion protocol sneed That's not great news because then now you're relying on Trent McDuffie, a very very talented rookie corner against an A. J. Brown. That's problematic. Yeah, you're gonna have to get a defensive help over the top from the safety, and we know Casey likes to play with the nickel and dime packages. That invites a lot of running from the Eagles. Eagles ran forty four times Colin and their two playoff games like that with the lead against inferior teams. I don't know if that's gonna be the case. All right, Chase in Kansas. All right, I'm told Brady, we're gonna break. Tom is gonna be joining us, I guess from Florida after the break. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Well. He played for twenty three NFL seasons, seven times Super Bowl Champ pass for almost ninety thousand yards. Tom Brady's gonna join us live right now. The reason I know Tom's the greatest quarterback ever isn't all those stats. Here's how I know you're the greatest quarterback ever because Mike Rabel is the size of a minivan and you threw ten touchdown passes to a linebacker. So when I saw that the other day I went Mike rabel Owes you a steak in a beer. You put him on the map. Tom, That's how I know you're the greatest. You don't need to blow his head up anymore than it already is. All right, head he went first of all, he went to a house state, so he already feels really good about himself there. And the fact that you bring that up. He still tries to run tight end routes in the end zone. He was actually really good at it. He's very twitchy, had a really good explosive this and just how he got to the quarterback so well. He found his way to the back of the end zone quite a few times. So I love being his teammate. Yeah, he's a great coach as well. So I was a little surprised when you get emotional. I've watched you two or three times in your career get emotional. I get emotional watching you get emotional, and you know, you talked about your dad or your kids. So on the beach, it was authentic, it was real, you're emotional. I'm like, yeah, Tom's done. But I was surprised a little about the cynicism on the internet. He's coming back so I just got to put it out there, right, Is there one percent chance you could get talk back into plane? I think for me, you know, I know in my heart how I feel, and you know, I put it out on the field for twenty three years, and I'm super proud of you know, what's been accomplished. And you know, I just wanted to keep last week really short and sweet, and I felt like I've I've given a lot, I've gained a lot, I've learned a lot, and you know, life is about, you know, exciting things ahead too. So I think when one thing closes, like football has for me for you know, thirty two years of my life, and you know, I look forward to what's ahead. There's new chapters, and there's new exciting things, and there's new growth, there's new opportunities, and I'm really excited for what's ahead. So you know, I've loved my time at football. It's absolutely an incredible love in my life. And it's hard to make decisions like that, but it's certainly the right time. Tom. You set two NFL records in your final year, so you can still play, You'll be able to spend that football in ten years. I don't care. If you're in a winery at a beach, you'll be able to spin it that that's not the issue. The issue is at some point you were either with your kids, in a car by yourself, and you made this decision. If I could be be nosy here, when was the moment? Where were you when you made the decision? Well, I think the finality of it was last just you know, last week, So you know, you always kind of I think the future is very hard to predict for all of us. I mean, nothing's really guaranteed, but I think you just take it day by day and you know, as my friend always tells me, the future happens a day at a time. But I'm super excited, I really am. I think there's a lot of great things ahead, and I think you need to create space for those things too. And you know, when one thing ends naturally, other opportunities present themselves. And you know, I don't try to make predictions, and sometimes I'm really good with certainty, and I think in this case, I'm good with a little bit of uncertainty, even though I have some great opportunities in my professional life ahead, and I'm really excited about those things. You know, at the same time, you got to create space for those things as well. So I want to talk about that you you gave to the game emotionally and physically. I mean I read stories you didn't drink a beer during the season. I'm like, man, I think I'm committed. That's next level stuff. I like a pint now in there, Tommy, I gotta be honest with you. So, um my wife's from Michigan. You're a Michigan guy. They like their pints too, I know that. So I gotta ask you, Yeah, is there is there a thought in your head that, man, I gave a lot. I need to exhale. I gotta give this thing some space here. Is that like time I'm talking fifteen months, I'm talking eighteen months. Yeah, I think for me absolutely, and even you know, decompression is important. You know, you're on this kind of really crazy treadmill slash hamster wheel for a long time, loving the moment, loving the journey. At the same time, you know, there's a there's a it's a day fight. You know, you wake up everybody just like you do. And I have appreciation for so many people that are so committed every day to showing up to put their max effort into their life and their career. And I think for me, I want to be great at what I do. And even you know, talking even last week with the people at Fox Sports, you know, and the leadership there allowing me to start, you know, my Fox opportunity in the fall of twenty twenty four is something that's great for me. So take some time to really learn become great at what I want to do, become great at you know, thinking about the opportunity and making sure I don't rush into anything. And I think when people really bet on me. I think one thing about my career, whether I was when I was drafted by the Patriots or signing food to the Bucks, I wanted to be you know, fully committed and I never wanted to let people down. I think my biggest motivator was at So you know, even in the future, I want to be great at what I do, and that always takes some time and strategizing and learning and growing and evolving. And I have so many people to rely on that can support me and that growth too. So it's going to be a good, great opportunity for me to take some time to really certainly become at my Fox broadcasting job, which I'm really looking forward to, but also catching up on other parts of my life that needs some needs some time and energy. So, um, you're not a rear view mirror guy. But when I look at the Tampa experience, I've watched my entire career thirty years, TOM, NBA, NFL, baseball guys move stars and it doesn't work. In fact, it doesn't work about seventy percent of the time. In that first year in Tampa. Did you have a moment where you thought, crap, this is this is hard. Was there ever a moment that you thought, maybe it was Thursday against the Bears that you thought it wasn't gonna work. That was hard? That was this one? I it was, And you know what, it should be hard, because let me tell you, the NFL is hard, and the competitive nature of sports is hard. And there's nothing that you're going to experience in life that is worth attaining that's not hard and has its challenges. And I think what we accomplished in Tampa when I was there was amazing part of my football journey and I couldn't have done it without the people there that were fully embracing it. What I brought and that's why I chose that. From the Glazers to Jason Light, to the coaches and BA and all the all my teammates, you know, they they welcome me with open arms, and I think that was that's part of you know, I think, if you really want to get to me, appeal to my heart and say we trust to you, Tom, we you know, come in and do what you do. And I think you're gonna get the best version of me when you do that, because again, there's a naturally part of me that's very um, you know, self motivated to always prove myself to myself that I don't want to let people down, but also to prove to them, hey, you bet on the right person. And you know, you got to wake up out of day and I kind of jump out of bed. Okay, what do I got to accomplished today? And I love doing that for people that believe in me. So I Tampa was that experience. The Patriots were obviously that experience for me for a long period of time. And I had an amazing football journey and now it's time to be great at other things. You were doubted early. I can't tell you how many times I'd take a phone call system quarterback. I'm like, he is the system, He's not a system. So you were doubted early and you were championed late. What was more fun the goat or the journey? Cool? So I always deal with people that doubt me better in the sense that the competition, you know, I love when they give me a little more fuel for the fire. Not that I need it, but it just it draws a little. And I think there's a good emotion in sport two which anger. And you've seen some of the you know, great players that I always looked up to, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Jerry West. There's a there's an anger when you play that is a really motivating factor too, because it sparks an action. You know, anger motivates you too. You know, wake up sometimes and you dig deep. And I love dig indeed, because I learned a lot about myself. And I think when we dig deep and people push us further than places we want to go, you know, we can reach places that know people have ever been. And you know my football crew is just that. And again, I think now and I look back, there's a lot of reasons why there's a lot of from the day that I started the Patriots, you know, through my last game. There was a lot of lessons I learned along the way, and a lot of people I got to experience life with, and the journey's a life which have set up me hopefully with you know. And again not that anything's promise, but a lot of great years ahead and I'm looking forward to it. And there's a lot of great things to accomplish with a lot of great people, and certainly me spending time with my family and giving them all that I can do in the meantime before I leap back into something else is a great opportunity for me to connect with, you know, things that are really my priority. So there's a lot of great things ahead. And obviously moving to the media side, like you have, you done an amazing job and I can learn from everyone out there. So I just thank you and all the other people out there who have been so great to me and support of my journey. I really shit, you know, Tom, the Tom versus Time, the young man who put that together as a friend, and I thought it was fascinating because you know, by and large, we don't get that look right and or if we do the players already retired, like Michael Jordan's dock I got a dock with you and you're playing, and you're on that film, and this is gonna sound goofy, but you were always looking at others. Have you ever just sat down you can turn on the Fox of the NFL network one of your games on, or if you looked at film. Have you ever watched film of you? And what do you interpret? What do you see when you watch you? Ah? Wow? I think the torture of that is I think I see all the flaws. To be honest, I don't see like I probably look at a lot of other people going wow, look at how amazing they are and how incredible they performed under pressure. And you know, I think for me from my own perspective, I don't see myself that way. I see God, what could I have them? But Oh that throws suck? Oh that was the wrong read? Oh why did I call that play? Oh? You know? And I think that's the agonizing part about being an athlete, And I think that's part of why you continue to reach and dig deep, because you only see the flaws and you want to make those flaws better. And you realize that you're never finished products, and you want to improve and you want to learn, You meet people, and you grow from those experiences. So I don't know how many perfect broadcasts you performed, but there's probably not many perfect games. I've performed very few over the course of probably almost four hundred. And you know, I always strive to be a little bit better, and people around me pushed me to be the best I could be. And I think so much of that enjoyment and fulfillment is in the journey of that experience and not necessarily oh I got there that one time, where I got there ten times. You know, it's the pursuit of that, the practice, the meetings, all those things are really what I enjoyed on this journey, not just the outcome of a game. I can assure you I have never had a perfect broadcast. You can ask my audience Tom, I've never had I'm not sure I've had a perfect segment, depending on who you ask. Yeah, I can't wait for you to be part of us. I know you're very, very busy, and I just appreciate you giving us ten fifteen minutes today. Thank you so much. Yeah, happy to do it. And I have a great Super Bowl week, enjoy it, and you know, it's a great week of in American sports. And to see these two teams go at it, I'll be super excited. So I wish I was playing. We didn't get there this year, unfortunately, but the teams that did they're deserved it. And to see Patrick and Jalen lead their teams is amazing. Will be a fun week for the super Bowl. And love it that is on Fox too, and Greg and Kevin calling it. So I'll be watching probably more fifty percent watching the game and fifty percent listening to those two and hearing the amazing job that they're going to do, along with the whole Fox Sports crew. All Right, thanks Tommy, cool, bye, Collin, take care, all right bye? All right, Tom Brady a little live from I think he's in New York today hanging chilling with Famy go exciting times. He looks good. I gotta be honest with you. You You don't want to appear on a screen with Tom Brady very many times in your life. It just doesn't. He looks good, he's put together. All right, Here we go. J Mack with the news. No, no, this is the Herd Line News. You know, I had the fortune of interviewing Brady once, way back in the day. I was working at a celebrity magazine and they said, Hey, Jason, there's this Victoria's Secret party. This is in New York City. Can you go and interview Tom Brady. I was like, yeah, but he had only won one super Bowl at the time. Just walk right up to him in the room, started talking to him, and then the interview got interrupted by a Victoria's Secret model and he was like, Hey, we'll talk later. He's like, okay, that was That was fun. Way. It's interesting whenever I meet athletes from team sports early in their career. So I was around Patrick Mahomes at a the UFC fight about two years ago, and Patrick had already I think I think he had won the super Bowl. Yeah, he'd won the Super Bowl. People were very respectful, gave him all out of space. In my life of athletes, when you when you run into individual athletes, tennis player, boxer, anybody that's an individual, they are mobbed by people. And so I don't know if it's the difference between a band and you know, Elvis and his Prime or something, or Taylor Swift, but I always am struck by when I see these great team athletes. It's different, but when you see an individual star. I mean, I can remember being around Mike Tyson in his prime. He couldn't go anywhere. Now now now Michael Jordan's different. I mean, he cuts through, but it's it ensure. You've seen Lebron's quotes this week about he wishes he could just go to a movie theater and go get popcorn. Oh I didn't see this. Yeah, I've seen a meeting in Brentwood before. He didn't get bothered. It's interesting. Maybe people didn't notice it. I mean, LA's a little different. I don't think he's I don't know. Maybe he's hounded. Movie theater is different. But I've seen him in restaurants twice. People leave him alone. Oh, it's nice. People are friendly. All right, Let's get to the Pro Bowl, Colin. We didn't spend a lot of time on it. Some people may not have known it even happened. Mac Jones made the Pro Bowl in his rookie season, took a little bit of a dip in his second year. You know, they didn't have the offensive coordinator in New England in twenty twenty three, he'll be working with Bill O'Brien and Patriots linebacker Matt Judon has total faith in Mac Jones bouncing back. I think we got a great deal of confidence in Mac and we're gonna see because we know what type of player he can be. We saw it at the collegiate level, high school level, we saw it at the pro level, and so that's what we need. He knows that we're gonna be backing him just as long as he's our quarterback in I don't plan that he's going anywhere anytime soon. By the way, I just realized I called Tom Brady Tommy. I don't know why that popped into my head. Secondly, talked about the Patriots. Secondly, we tend to because we love football, g very emotional about it, and people are all selling their stock on Mac Jones. As you often talk about on this show, wherever the public's going go the opposite direction. Mac Jones is going to have a really good year. Really, Yes, he has a functional offensive coordinates. Does he have a functional weapon on the outside. Well, again, they have two young receivers they like they'll draft another. I think people are surprised our radio audience can't see these and I don't want to run through all the numbers people for a rookie quarterback without a star receiver. When you go look at Mac Jones initial this is with a defensive coach in an improving division, with no number one receiver and okay tight ends. He completed sixty seven percent of his throws ninety two and a half passer rating for almost four thousand yards. He was exceptional as a rookie. Mac was very, very good. It doesn't tell the full story though. This is just like, oh, look at for the course of the season, he played well. But then you start drilling down and looking at specific games, and you know, he threw three touchdowns against Jacksonville, who was the worst team in the league. Last some of the numbers like what did he do against winning teams? Against Buffalo as a rookie, zero touchdowns, two picks in the first game, um in the other game, zero touchdowns, zero interceptions. That was like the win game where nobody So he didn't play against the best team in the division as a rookie very well, I'm I'm comfortable with that. I'm gonna need some more time on this, but I think we fully disagree that I do nothing. Mac Jones is bouncing back. We'll just go easy one. Is he a top seven quarterback in the AFC. That's a different discus. There's only what sixteen teams in the all right, time out? Can I have him? Grab my pen? I get look, I get no time? Okayshomes Burrow, Burrow, Allan, Allan, Lamar, Lamar Herbert. It's five, Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence is six, you say, Joe Burrow. Yeah, so I'm at six. He's not that Can he buy for seven? Oh? Wait a minute, come on, I don't. I don't think you can take that much time off? He was inaccurate. Russell Wilson, Well, oh, I'm just saying, we don't know, Russell. We got to see how that thing works. So we got one season in the six guys in the AFCA that are absolutely better. Okay. Can Mac with a functional veteran offensive coordinator put up comparable numbers to Russell Wilson? Yes, absolutely, Russell Wilson just got Sean Payton. Your guy, Bill O'Brien's a better. Bill. O'Brian won his division in Houston with bad quarterbacks for like Bill O'Brien. It did the rare thing in the NFL's one A division with C minus quarterbacks, virtually impossible in this league. Bill O'Brian, one post Paterno at Penn State way tougher than people. Buy one of these three stocks. Next year. You can buy r So Wilson, You could buy Mac Jones. Who's the other guy, Oh, Deshaun Watson? Which are those stocks are you buying? You mean the three again, Mac Jones, DeShawn or who Russell Wilson. If you say mac Jones, it's not Deshaun. I don't trust the organization. It's not Deshaun Watson. So it's down to Russell or Mac Jones. And you're just telling me numbers. It's not just numbers. It's Jones with mac Jones. All right, Somebody I know the internet watches all this stuff, and the numbers are big todayke ands Tom Brady. I'll somebody remember he's taking mac Jones over Russell Wilson over the course of seventeen games. I don't think there's anything to fix with mac Jones. I think you just have to get him. You know, an offensive coordinator, aren't Q looking back at his rookie numbers. Be honest about this. Don't you look at those are better than you think. They were good. They were good. They were good. They were like Matt Ryan career, good as a kid. Good numbers with no number one receiver. Those are really good numbers, solidly above average jumper. All right, Next up, Mark Jackson. The Ravens are still working on a new contract. There appears to be a huge difference in the money what each side wants. Colin, this is staggering. The two are reportedly as much as one hundred million dollars apart in there part. Trade talks are said to be coming, but many teams believe Lamar will be taged, so the process has not started to heat up. Now, will he be mad if he's tagged? Quarterbacks don't like that? He's gonna make it like forty four million, I think? Breer said. Forty four mill is the exclusive franchise tag. That's a lot of money. There's a lot of money for one year. You know what. There's a reason players agreed to it. It's a lot of money for one year. Yeah, well again, he could agree to a deal. But the problem, the thing I hate about the franchise tag is they could tag you twice? Right, Kirk Cousins had that. I don't like that. I don't like that at all. No, I like an organization should be allowed to tag you once the players caved and give it twice. I don't like that at all. Yeah, So one hundred million dollars apart of negotiations. Now the question becomes, is another team even if he's tagged? Is another team do you think willing to close that gap of one hundred million dollars? What's a lot of desperate teams. What if Baltimore just said we'll swap Lamar, Jackson and twa. Lamar goes to the Dolphins and the Ravens get two and some picks. Some picks you don't need a lot more than some pick. I'm an MVP versus the guy who can't stay healthy. All right, Well, Baltimore drafts well. For the record, they draft and developed very well top him. I think you're a little You need to clear your head this Tom Brady interview. As you rattle, let me Tua and Lamar trade and then mac joes over Russell Wilson count Really that's the new me talking to Brady. I see that twinkle you had in your eye talking to him a little excited, All right. Final story, Kyrie Irving got his trade wish. Now he's a member of the Dallas Mavericks. Plenty of other teams made offers, allegedly the Sons, who were reported willing to include Chris Paul in their trade package. Everybody wants the thirty set in your old point card. Sons are also prepared to pursue Kevin Durant before the trade deadline at the Nets make him available. Now, this Katie thing is fascinating because he still got three years left. Colin's what's he sticking around for? And his value is only going to go down as he gets folder thirty five. Shouldn't the Nets just say, hey, fire sale, we're not beaten with Katie Dorry and Phinney Smith, and we're not beating the Bucks to the Celtics. What are we doing, Let's trade Durant. I think the Nets believed this morning, and there's analytics to prove this true, that actually the Nets were better when Katie was on the floor and Kyrie wasn't. Slightly. I think there's people in the building in Brooklyn that absolutely believe and they may be right that Spencer Dinwoodie Phinney, Smith, Kevin Durant, Boxton, Joe Harris, all these guys, they're better as a team as a collective. Look at that than the Kyrie team. I think so, I don't think Brooklyn. I think Brooklyn thinks we're going to be a better basketball team. I believe with Kyrie, they did go I think eighteen and three in December, some ridiculous they were on a tear and they got back in the Eastern Conference. But there's some analytic numbers I heard over the weekend that Katie and Kyrie on the floor, and Katie and not Kyrie on the floor, they actually were slightly better. That they're not a contender with just Kevin Durrett. They're not a contender for anything. Right, we would agree on them. Well, they they I will say this, they'll be a better defensive team now. And they were already top five or six in the East, so they'll be a better defensive team. You and I both know the two teams that ended up in the finals last year with a number one and two defensive teams. I know everybody loves Luca and those guys and Kyrie they'll play no defense. And so I think Brooklyn says we're a better defensive team. I mean, Kyrie's a defensive liability. We're a better defensive team. And we got a couple of b players. But you know, didn't what he liked When he was Brooklyn played very very well. I like him as a sixth man, very good player. And Finnie Smith is the perfect wing to defend. You know, Chris, I think Brooklyn thinks we're a playoff team and slightly better today than we were. You know this, Colin, you don't want to be in the middle. You want to be at the top, or you want to be at the bottom. You don't want to be in the dreaded middle. Well, you're just on that hamster wheel getting the sixth seed and losing in the second round, like there's no win there. Well, if I own a team, I don't want to be at the bottom necessarily very long. So I think you trade Kevin Durant, You'll never get Kevin Durant back in value. There is no other Kevin Durant. You're not getting that. This is the last time you have a guy as good as Kevin Durant, maybe in the history of the franchise. I don't know if I want to give him up. If I give him up, I better get a lot. I guarantee Rudy Gobert fits. What a bad deal. That's not a good Don't use that as a deal that should be followed. J Mack with the news. Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. Hey, what's up, every body? It's me three time pro bowler Levarrington and I couldn't be more excited to announce a new podcast called Up on Game. What is Up on Game? You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler t J. Hushman's Otta and Super Bowl champion. Yep, that's right, Plexico Burds. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it. Up on Game. We're going to be sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen to Up on Game with Me, LeVar Arrington, t J. Hushman's Outa, and Plexico Birds on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast from. We're going to the Super Bowl. Take a look at our amazing set in Arizona. We'll be here Thursday and Friday, right outside of State Farm Stadium. Great guests are coming up, getting ready for Eagles and Chiefs. Catch it all this week right here on the herd. I see a lot of those other sets out there, nothing compared to ours. So I was thinking about this Luca and Kyrie, is that offense matters more in basketball than defense. In football, offense also means more than defense, but situationally, you have to be competent defensively. So in the NBA, Luca Kyrie will be fun to watch. They'll score a lot of points. I don't deny any of it. But let's not forget the two teams that ended up in the finals last year. The Celtics had the number one rated defense all year and the Warriors, when Draymond played, had the best defense since the Tim Duncan era. I think that was I believe that was the stat during the regular season, so it was basically the two best defensive teams in the NBA made the finals. Boston's a really good offensive team, but there's better offensive teams. So this idea, Luca and Kyrie are not a championship team now in the West, I think they can make some Hey, if they were in the East together, they wouldn't beat Boston, they would not beat Milwaukee. I do not think they'd beat Philadelphia, and I don't know if they beat Cleveland, I don't think they'd beat Cleveland. Cleveland plays real defense. Those four teams they wouldn't beat. But in the West, the Clippers play really good defense. Golden State formally did. They're not this year. And I think a lot of that with the Warriors is they aren't playing a lot of players. They don't They play about seven guys, seven seven and a half guys. They don't play Cominga very much. They don't play Moody at all. Wiseman's not working. So I think they'll score a bunch of points and they'll be dynamic. And part of what I like about this selfishly is I can't wait to watch it. I was just done watching Brooklyn. I thought Brooklyn was uninteresting. Simmons is odd, Kyrie when he's available, is talented, but I just I it wasn't a lot of there there for me. Durant was hurt or Kyrie was hurt and Simmons can't shoot, and Harden wasn't happy, so he laughed and alas feels fresh New West Points. I think it'll work early. There is a possibility, and I read I was reading Mark Stein yesterday on substack, veteran NBA reporter on his own like, you know, his own thing, and you know, he was talking about there's no discussion right now of a four year deal, which is amazing to me. But if Dallas said, we just want to want to run this thing to the playoffs and see what it looks like, my guess if they want to do that is Kyrie will absolutely go all in and it'll work. Absolutely best behavior Kyrie has worked for a time in Boston or Cleveland, or it's over the course of time. It struggles, but it's not a championship team. I do think the Warriors, when they get into the playoffs and they will, will eventually flip a switch. I think the Clippers play real defense, Memphis plays real defense. Those teams would beat this team. And I think it's easy because when you do get these gifted offensive players, Remember, playoff basketball is not regular season basketball. Regular season basketball, you get uneven rest. So if you have to come in and you roll into town and you played the Clippers last night, and you fly in, you get into Dallas at you know, two or three in the morning or whatever time it is. You go to the hotel, shooter around and the MAVs have Luca and Kyrie on two days rest, and you got road legs. It's the fourth game of a roadie. They're gonna blow you out. They're gonna blow you out. But if it's a playoff series, you're all equally rested. You can burrow in on a team's weaknesses, and lucas not a very good defensive player, and Kyrie can be atrocious. So if you play this team in a series, you can really burrow in on their weakness. And they've got one. So I don't think it's a championship team, But selfishly, I think it's gonna be interesting, and I like interesting, And I do think you had to make a move to send a message to Luca, even though he's got a long term deal. Hey we're gonna take some big swings here. We're gonna take some big swings that matters. I've never understood. I've talked about this for years. If I was a great NBA player, Dallas would always be at the top of my list if I was a free agent. Reason being, it's in the center of the country. No five six hour flights. It's right in the middle of the country. New York's three and a half away, Portland's three and a half away. La is a couple so if you're on a coast, you get a lot of long flights to the other coast. That's the first part of the Cuban's a good over He takes care of his players. Dallas no state tax. It is a great place to be a young guy, a beautiful people everywhere. There's a lot of things to do. So I've never understood the difficulty with Dallas landing. So they draft Nevinsky's a home run and then they get Luca is a home run they couldn't kind of get. They can't get them the second guy. And I've asked people about this. Why not is it viewed by basketball players as a football state? Is it viewed by basketball players? Is that Mark Cuban will always be the star of the franchise. I have no idea, but I like the idea that finally We've got two mega stars in Dallas, which is a really good basketball market. They love their team, they support it, they win a lot of games. They've rarely been awful. They're always semi viable, and I can't wait to watch him play. Yeah, I agree with you. Dallas will be a great fit for Kyrie Irving because he's a flat Earth guy, and you know, Texas is a very flat state. It's just the symmetry there's perfect for Kyrie Irving in Dallas, Texas. I love it. I mean it's a cynicism. As a journal I love Kyrie Irving. I'm a huge fan of his work. All Right, Greg ko sell our Power Hour, it's the Herd

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You're texting all the time and doing stuff, you know how, You hear stuff, rumors and stuff, and I there's a lot of what the information I get I don't pass on to you because they can't get it verified. And so this just comes. This is something that was brought up three weeks ago to me, two weeks ago. To me. It's not a story or a report, but it was floated to me. Is that somebody in the NFL said, what if Andy Reid retires if the Chiefs win? So Andy's like mid sixties, and I thought, why, he's so vibrant. He loves coaching, and he said, And so I'm like, is that going to happen? And this person said, oh, I'm not saying it's going to happen, but you know, I heard it from somebody maybe, and and I thought, I gotta ask. I didn't ask Andy the last time I had him on because I didn't think at the time that was appropriate. But you know, we always we always think about how great Patrick Mahomes is, and he is. Let me tell you something, if Andy Reid just decided they win the Super Bowl, he's like, I'm going off for the sunset. He won't. Who would you replace him with? Sean Payton's off the market, You're not. I don't think Jim Harball works for this organization. Who's the candidate? I mean, so I'm not saying the Kansas City story is obviously led by Mahomes. I'm not disputing that, but don't kid yourself in this combo deal. Andy Reid is substantial. Andy Reid got to I don't know how many NFC championships with Donovan McNabb and kind of not all time great quarterbacks. Then he takes the two or the three win Chiefs. They went eleven the next year, and I think he's made the playoffs like eight or nine out of ten years in Kansas City. Don't kid yourself. And Lincoln Riley's not coming right now. We saw Matt Rule fizzle out. You could go to that Kafka maybe Eric b Enemy. That's kind of a drop off. So when I heard this, it wasn't like a news story, but it was somebody saying, I mean, what if? And I was like, there's not a lot of candidates. I mean Andy has separated now the rules lean offense. Andy is separated from most of this league. I mean he is kind of a we always knew for years and years Belichick was the best coach and Andy was in a strong competition for second. In fact, he'd give Bill a lot of trouble now and he's the best coach in the league. Bill's not second. So the point being is this is a great Mahome story, it's also an Andy Reid story. This guy's the best coach in league history. Off of by he gets all quarterbacks to the playoffs, he got multiple quarterbacks to the NFC Championship. I mean, I think Donovan was mostly it. Maybe maybe Donovan was all of them. But this Andy Reid thing is we are looking at. In my lifetime, there's been five or six coaches that just felt Blichick's one, Bill Walsh was one. Andy's one. Probably promote from within, right, keep the continuity going. Think yeah, but just think of all the years of Andy Reid, the the institutional knowledge in his head offensively, but the enemy's bid with him. No, I get entire mahone. But but proximity to greatness does not even get true. A lot of backup quarterbacks aren't great quarterbacks. They could be around Brady for ten years. So just because you're around something doesn't mean you can make when you're making the calls. I mean, just think how many decisions you make in a day. I mean like semi big six to twelve a week. That's seventy a month, that's two hundred and eighty. What's that a year, that's three three fit whatever that is your big decisions. Start making a few of those wrong. Every day things go sideway fast, So play callings, schematic game plans, meeting room discussions. It's it's not easy. This stuff is tough, and so I think for years and years, I think I think Andy Reid's one of the seminal coaches of my lifetime. You know, there was Chuck Noele in the seventies, I mean that was understood Lombardi, then Chuck Noll and then we had a bunch of really really good ones and then it's for me. Anyway, I've taught my head Bill Walsh feels like, now Don Corrielle with the Chargers was great, but he wasn't winning championships. Then there's Bill Walsh and everybody's copying Bill Walsh, and then there's Andy Reid. Now you see all the Andy Reid tree guys. So I do think Sean McVay has done this as well. Where Sean's guys like Zach Taylor, the kid in Minnesota, Sean has this ability. He's a teacher. People steal bits and pieces from Sean they leave and they win. So but Andy is I mean when I talked to I had Michael Vick on this. Any time I asked Shady McCoy was on the show the other day, Michael Vick. Any time I ask anybody who's ever been I think Mark Sanchez was at some point in Philly. You asked him about Andy Reid. It is literally different if he left after the Super Bowl. I mean, you're going from a coordinator to the best coach in the league. Not all vice presidents are made to be presidents, just not the way you would think it would be linear. It would be well, I watched this guy, then I can go in. It's like, doesn't work that way my whole life. It does not work. Then you remember Mahomes and the enemy got into it an Indie this year at the end of the half. I remember that was unhappy the enemy playing it safe. And well, the other thing is, you know this super Bowl. I was asked. I was in Portland yesterday and I was asked about the Super Bowl, and I said, I really feel like it's a fight. Like I like going to fights, and sometimes you have a feeling for a fight. But I went to a Pachio fight a couple of years ago, and it was Thurman. He fought Thurman. I knew after the first round. I'm like, oh, I have wildly misjudged this fight. Styles make fights, and Pakia I was gonna win this fight. He was going to win this fight. You could tell very early. I would love to watch two series in the Super Bowl. I'd have a much greater sense. I think if Philadelphia can run the ball, Kansas City could be in trouble. If Philadelphia can Miles Sanders, Jalen Hurts some RPO stuff, if they're moving the football, can keep it away from Mahomes, push the defensive front of Kansas City around, I think the Chiefs are in trouble. I think Kansas City knows that Spags has been around this league forever. I think I think Philadelphia says we want to make Jalen Hurts throw because I like Jalen Hurts, but he did not throw the ball well. He's clearly still hurt. He did not throw the ball well in that game against San Francisco. So you know you're looking at that film and you're like, just make him throw. He'll be nervous. It's a big game, we'll get a semi decent pass rush. That to me is a very obvious game. But what you don't want to do if your Kansas City is if Philadelphia can run the ball, they keep Mahomes off the field, that means you're uneven time of possession, Philadelphia's dominating it. Then it gets Then that game gets really murky. Kansas City can play it from in a front or behind. Philly's more built to play with a lead, and they usually get it. But I know I can see what both teams want to do. I just don't know how it's gonna land. Philadelphia wants to run the ball and play keepaway and that gives them great play action opportunities against the young Kansas City secondary. That's what they want to do. What Kansas City wants to do is win that coin toss, get that lead, be aggressive, forced Jalen Hurts to throw the ball. Now, some of that will come down to one of the chiefs corners in concussion protocol sneed That's not great news because then now you're relying on Trent McDuffie, a very very talented rookie corner against an A. J. Brown. That's problematic. Yeah, you're gonna have to get a defensive help over the top from the safety, and we know Casey likes to play with the nickel and dime packages. That invites a lot of running from the Eagles. Eagles ran forty four times Colin and their two playoff games like that with the lead against inferior teams. I don't know if that's gonna be the case. All right, Chase in Kansas. All right, I'm told Brady, we're gonna break. Tom is gonna be joining us, I guess from Florida after the break. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Well. He played for twenty three NFL seasons, seven times Super Bowl Champ pass for almost ninety thousand yards. Tom Brady's gonna join us live right now. The reason I know Tom's the greatest quarterback ever isn't all those stats. Here's how I know you're the greatest quarterback ever because Mike Rabel is the size of a minivan and you threw ten touchdown passes to a linebacker. So when I saw that the other day I went Mike rabel Owes you a steak in a beer. You put him on the map. Tom, That's how I know you're the greatest. You don't need to blow his head up anymore than it already is. All right, head he went first of all, he went to a house state, so he already feels really good about himself there. And the fact that you bring that up. He still tries to run tight end routes in the end zone. He was actually really good at it. He's very twitchy, had a really good explosive this and just how he got to the quarterback so well. He found his way to the back of the end zone quite a few times. So I love being his teammate. Yeah, he's a great coach as well. So I was a little surprised when you get emotional. I've watched you two or three times in your career get emotional. I get emotional watching you get emotional, and you know, you talked about your dad or your kids. So on the beach, it was authentic, it was real, you're emotional. I'm like, yeah, Tom's done. But I was surprised a little about the cynicism on the internet. He's coming back so I just got to put it out there, right, Is there one percent chance you could get talk back into plane? I think for me, you know, I know in my heart how I feel, and you know, I put it out on the field for twenty three years, and I'm super proud of you know, what's been accomplished. And you know, I just wanted to keep last week really short and sweet, and I felt like I've I've given a lot, I've gained a lot, I've learned a lot, and you know, life is about, you know, exciting things ahead too. So I think when one thing closes, like football has for me for you know, thirty two years of my life, and you know, I look forward to what's ahead. There's new chapters, and there's new exciting things, and there's new growth, there's new opportunities, and I'm really excited for what's ahead. So you know, I've loved my time at football. It's absolutely an incredible love in my life. And it's hard to make decisions like that, but it's certainly the right time. Tom. You set two NFL records in your final year, so you can still play, You'll be able to spend that football in ten years. I don't care. If you're in a winery at a beach, you'll be able to spin it that that's not the issue. The issue is at some point you were either with your kids, in a car by yourself, and you made this decision. If I could be be nosy here, when was the moment? Where were you when you made the decision? Well, I think the finality of it was last just you know, last week, So you know, you always kind of I think the future is very hard to predict for all of us. I mean, nothing's really guaranteed, but I think you just take it day by day and you know, as my friend always tells me, the future happens a day at a time. But I'm super excited, I really am. I think there's a lot of great things ahead, and I think you need to create space for those things too. And you know, when one thing ends naturally, other opportunities present themselves. And you know, I don't try to make predictions, and sometimes I'm really good with certainty, and I think in this case, I'm good with a little bit of uncertainty, even though I have some great opportunities in my professional life ahead, and I'm really excited about those things. You know, at the same time, you got to create space for those things as well. So I want to talk about that you you gave to the game emotionally and physically. I mean I read stories you didn't drink a beer during the season. I'm like, man, I think I'm committed. That's next level stuff. I like a pint now in there, Tommy, I gotta be honest with you. So, um my wife's from Michigan. You're a Michigan guy. They like their pints too, I know that. So I gotta ask you, Yeah, is there is there a thought in your head that, man, I gave a lot. I need to exhale. I gotta give this thing some space here. Is that like time I'm talking fifteen months, I'm talking eighteen months. Yeah, I think for me absolutely, and even you know, decompression is important. You know, you're on this kind of really crazy treadmill slash hamster wheel for a long time, loving the moment, loving the journey. At the same time, you know, there's a there's a it's a day fight. You know, you wake up everybody just like you do. And I have appreciation for so many people that are so committed every day to showing up to put their max effort into their life and their career. And I think for me, I want to be great at what I do. And even you know, talking even last week with the people at Fox Sports, you know, and the leadership there allowing me to start, you know, my Fox opportunity in the fall of twenty twenty four is something that's great for me. So take some time to really learn become great at what I want to do, become great at you know, thinking about the opportunity and making sure I don't rush into anything. And I think when people really bet on me. I think one thing about my career, whether I was when I was drafted by the Patriots or signing food to the Bucks, I wanted to be you know, fully committed and I never wanted to let people down. I think my biggest motivator was at So you know, even in the future, I want to be great at what I do, and that always takes some time and strategizing and learning and growing and evolving. And I have so many people to rely on that can support me and that growth too. So it's going to be a good, great opportunity for me to take some time to really certainly become at my Fox broadcasting job, which I'm really looking forward to, but also catching up on other parts of my life that needs some needs some time and energy. So, um, you're not a rear view mirror guy. But when I look at the Tampa experience, I've watched my entire career thirty years, TOM, NBA, NFL, baseball guys move stars and it doesn't work. In fact, it doesn't work about seventy percent of the time. In that first year in Tampa. Did you have a moment where you thought, crap, this is this is hard. Was there ever a moment that you thought, maybe it was Thursday against the Bears that you thought it wasn't gonna work. That was hard? That was this one? I it was, And you know what, it should be hard, because let me tell you, the NFL is hard, and the competitive nature of sports is hard. And there's nothing that you're going to experience in life that is worth attaining that's not hard and has its challenges. And I think what we accomplished in Tampa when I was there was amazing part of my football journey and I couldn't have done it without the people there that were fully embracing it. What I brought and that's why I chose that. From the Glazers to Jason Light, to the coaches and BA and all the all my teammates, you know, they they welcome me with open arms, and I think that was that's part of you know, I think, if you really want to get to me, appeal to my heart and say we trust to you, Tom, we you know, come in and do what you do. And I think you're gonna get the best version of me when you do that, because again, there's a naturally part of me that's very um, you know, self motivated to always prove myself to myself that I don't want to let people down, but also to prove to them, hey, you bet on the right person. And you know, you got to wake up out of day and I kind of jump out of bed. Okay, what do I got to accomplished today? And I love doing that for people that believe in me. So I Tampa was that experience. The Patriots were obviously that experience for me for a long period of time. And I had an amazing football journey and now it's time to be great at other things. You were doubted early. I can't tell you how many times I'd take a phone call system quarterback. I'm like, he is the system, He's not a system. So you were doubted early and you were championed late. What was more fun the goat or the journey? Cool? So I always deal with people that doubt me better in the sense that the competition, you know, I love when they give me a little more fuel for the fire. Not that I need it, but it just it draws a little. And I think there's a good emotion in sport two which anger. And you've seen some of the you know, great players that I always looked up to, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Jerry West. There's a there's an anger when you play that is a really motivating factor too, because it sparks an action. You know, anger motivates you too. You know, wake up sometimes and you dig deep. And I love dig indeed, because I learned a lot about myself. And I think when we dig deep and people push us further than places we want to go, you know, we can reach places that know people have ever been. And you know my football crew is just that. And again, I think now and I look back, there's a lot of reasons why there's a lot of from the day that I started the Patriots, you know, through my last game. There was a lot of lessons I learned along the way, and a lot of people I got to experience life with, and the journey's a life which have set up me hopefully with you know. And again not that anything's promise, but a lot of great years ahead and I'm looking forward to it. And there's a lot of great things to accomplish with a lot of great people, and certainly me spending time with my family and giving them all that I can do in the meantime before I leap back into something else is a great opportunity for me to connect with, you know, things that are really my priority. So there's a lot of great things ahead. And obviously moving to the media side, like you have, you done an amazing job and I can learn from everyone out there. So I just thank you and all the other people out there who have been so great to me and support of my journey. I really shit, you know, Tom, the Tom versus Time, the young man who put that together as a friend, and I thought it was fascinating because you know, by and large, we don't get that look right and or if we do the players already retired, like Michael Jordan's dock I got a dock with you and you're playing, and you're on that film, and this is gonna sound goofy, but you were always looking at others. Have you ever just sat down you can turn on the Fox of the NFL network one of your games on, or if you looked at film. Have you ever watched film of you? And what do you interpret? What do you see when you watch you? Ah? Wow? I think the torture of that is I think I see all the flaws. To be honest, I don't see like I probably look at a lot of other people going wow, look at how amazing they are and how incredible they performed under pressure. And you know, I think for me from my own perspective, I don't see myself that way. I see God, what could I have them? But Oh that throws suck? Oh that was the wrong read? Oh why did I call that play? Oh? You know? And I think that's the agonizing part about being an athlete, And I think that's part of why you continue to reach and dig deep, because you only see the flaws and you want to make those flaws better. And you realize that you're never finished products, and you want to improve and you want to learn, You meet people, and you grow from those experiences. So I don't know how many perfect broadcasts you performed, but there's probably not many perfect games. I've performed very few over the course of probably almost four hundred. And you know, I always strive to be a little bit better, and people around me pushed me to be the best I could be. And I think so much of that enjoyment and fulfillment is in the journey of that experience and not necessarily oh I got there that one time, where I got there ten times. You know, it's the pursuit of that, the practice, the meetings, all those things are really what I enjoyed on this journey, not just the outcome of a game. I can assure you I have never had a perfect broadcast. You can ask my audience Tom, I've never had I'm not sure I've had a perfect segment, depending on who you ask. Yeah, I can't wait for you to be part of us. I know you're very, very busy, and I just appreciate you giving us ten fifteen minutes today. Thank you so much. Yeah, happy to do it. And I have a great Super Bowl week, enjoy it, and you know, it's a great week of in American sports. And to see these two teams go at it, I'll be super excited. So I wish I was playing. We didn't get there this year, unfortunately, but the teams that did they're deserved it. And to see Patrick and Jalen lead their teams is amazing. Will be a fun week for the super Bowl. And love it that is on Fox too, and Greg and Kevin calling it. So I'll be watching probably more fifty percent watching the game and fifty percent listening to those two and hearing the amazing job that they're going to do, along with the whole Fox Sports crew. All Right, thanks Tommy, cool, bye, Collin, take care, all right bye? All right, Tom Brady a little live from I think he's in New York today hanging chilling with Famy go exciting times. He looks good. I gotta be honest with you. You You don't want to appear on a screen with Tom Brady very many times in your life. It just doesn't. He looks good, he's put together. All right, Here we go. J Mack with the news. No, no, this is the Herd Line News. You know, I had the fortune of interviewing Brady once, way back in the day. I was working at a celebrity magazine and they said, Hey, Jason, there's this Victoria's Secret party. This is in New York City. Can you go and interview Tom Brady. I was like, yeah, but he had only won one super Bowl at the time. Just walk right up to him in the room, started talking to him, and then the interview got interrupted by a Victoria's Secret model and he was like, Hey, we'll talk later. He's like, okay, that was That was fun. Way. It's interesting whenever I meet athletes from team sports early in their career. So I was around Patrick Mahomes at a the UFC fight about two years ago, and Patrick had already I think I think he had won the super Bowl. Yeah, he'd won the Super Bowl. People were very respectful, gave him all out of space. In my life of athletes, when you when you run into individual athletes, tennis player, boxer, anybody that's an individual, they are mobbed by people. And so I don't know if it's the difference between a band and you know, Elvis and his Prime or something, or Taylor Swift, but I always am struck by when I see these great team athletes. It's different, but when you see an individual star. I mean, I can remember being around Mike Tyson in his prime. He couldn't go anywhere. Now now now Michael Jordan's different. I mean, he cuts through, but it's it ensure. You've seen Lebron's quotes this week about he wishes he could just go to a movie theater and go get popcorn. Oh I didn't see this. Yeah, I've seen a meeting in Brentwood before. He didn't get bothered. It's interesting. Maybe people didn't notice it. I mean, LA's a little different. I don't think he's I don't know. Maybe he's hounded. Movie theater is different. But I've seen him in restaurants twice. People leave him alone. Oh, it's nice. People are friendly. All right, Let's get to the Pro Bowl, Colin. We didn't spend a lot of time on it. Some people may not have known it even happened. Mac Jones made the Pro Bowl in his rookie season, took a little bit of a dip in his second year. You know, they didn't have the offensive coordinator in New England in twenty twenty three, he'll be working with Bill O'Brien and Patriots linebacker Matt Judon has total faith in Mac Jones bouncing back. I think we got a great deal of confidence in Mac and we're gonna see because we know what type of player he can be. We saw it at the collegiate level, high school level, we saw it at the pro level, and so that's what we need. He knows that we're gonna be backing him just as long as he's our quarterback in I don't plan that he's going anywhere anytime soon. By the way, I just realized I called Tom Brady Tommy. I don't know why that popped into my head. Secondly, talked about the Patriots. Secondly, we tend to because we love football, g very emotional about it, and people are all selling their stock on Mac Jones. As you often talk about on this show, wherever the public's going go the opposite direction. Mac Jones is going to have a really good year. Really, Yes, he has a functional offensive coordinates. Does he have a functional weapon on the outside. Well, again, they have two young receivers they like they'll draft another. I think people are surprised our radio audience can't see these and I don't want to run through all the numbers people for a rookie quarterback without a star receiver. When you go look at Mac Jones initial this is with a defensive coach in an improving division, with no number one receiver and okay tight ends. He completed sixty seven percent of his throws ninety two and a half passer rating for almost four thousand yards. He was exceptional as a rookie. Mac was very, very good. It doesn't tell the full story though. This is just like, oh, look at for the course of the season, he played well. But then you start drilling down and looking at specific games, and you know, he threw three touchdowns against Jacksonville, who was the worst team in the league. Last some of the numbers like what did he do against winning teams? Against Buffalo as a rookie, zero touchdowns, two picks in the first game, um in the other game, zero touchdowns, zero interceptions. That was like the win game where nobody So he didn't play against the best team in the division as a rookie very well, I'm I'm comfortable with that. I'm gonna need some more time on this, but I think we fully disagree that I do nothing. Mac Jones is bouncing back. We'll just go easy one. Is he a top seven quarterback in the AFC. That's a different discus. There's only what sixteen teams in the all right, time out? Can I have him? Grab my pen? I get look, I get no time? Okayshomes Burrow, Burrow, Allan, Allan, Lamar, Lamar Herbert. It's five, Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence is six, you say, Joe Burrow. Yeah, so I'm at six. He's not that Can he buy for seven? Oh? Wait a minute, come on, I don't. I don't think you can take that much time off? He was inaccurate. Russell Wilson, Well, oh, I'm just saying, we don't know, Russell. We got to see how that thing works. So we got one season in the six guys in the AFCA that are absolutely better. Okay. Can Mac with a functional veteran offensive coordinator put up comparable numbers to Russell Wilson? Yes, absolutely, Russell Wilson just got Sean Payton. Your guy, Bill O'Brien's a better. Bill. O'Brian won his division in Houston with bad quarterbacks for like Bill O'Brien. It did the rare thing in the NFL's one A division with C minus quarterbacks, virtually impossible in this league. Bill O'Brian, one post Paterno at Penn State way tougher than people. Buy one of these three stocks. Next year. You can buy r So Wilson, You could buy Mac Jones. Who's the other guy, Oh, Deshaun Watson? Which are those stocks are you buying? You mean the three again, Mac Jones, DeShawn or who Russell Wilson. If you say mac Jones, it's not Deshaun. I don't trust the organization. It's not Deshaun Watson. So it's down to Russell or Mac Jones. And you're just telling me numbers. It's not just numbers. It's Jones with mac Jones. All right, Somebody I know the internet watches all this stuff, and the numbers are big todayke ands Tom Brady. I'll somebody remember he's taking mac Jones over Russell Wilson over the course of seventeen games. I don't think there's anything to fix with mac Jones. I think you just have to get him. You know, an offensive coordinator, aren't Q looking back at his rookie numbers. Be honest about this. Don't you look at those are better than you think. They were good. They were good. They were good. They were like Matt Ryan career, good as a kid. Good numbers with no number one receiver. Those are really good numbers, solidly above average jumper. All right, Next up, Mark Jackson. The Ravens are still working on a new contract. There appears to be a huge difference in the money what each side wants. Colin, this is staggering. The two are reportedly as much as one hundred million dollars apart in there part. Trade talks are said to be coming, but many teams believe Lamar will be taged, so the process has not started to heat up. Now, will he be mad if he's tagged? Quarterbacks don't like that? He's gonna make it like forty four million, I think? Breer said. Forty four mill is the exclusive franchise tag. That's a lot of money. There's a lot of money for one year. You know what. There's a reason players agreed to it. It's a lot of money for one year. Yeah, well again, he could agree to a deal. But the problem, the thing I hate about the franchise tag is they could tag you twice? Right, Kirk Cousins had that. I don't like that. I don't like that at all. No, I like an organization should be allowed to tag you once the players caved and give it twice. I don't like that at all. Yeah, So one hundred million dollars apart of negotiations. Now the question becomes, is another team even if he's tagged? Is another team do you think willing to close that gap of one hundred million dollars? What's a lot of desperate teams. What if Baltimore just said we'll swap Lamar, Jackson and twa. Lamar goes to the Dolphins and the Ravens get two and some picks. Some picks you don't need a lot more than some pick. I'm an MVP versus the guy who can't stay healthy. All right, Well, Baltimore drafts well. For the record, they draft and developed very well top him. I think you're a little You need to clear your head this Tom Brady interview. As you rattle, let me Tua and Lamar trade and then mac joes over Russell Wilson count Really that's the new me talking to Brady. I see that twinkle you had in your eye talking to him a little excited, All right. Final story, Kyrie Irving got his trade wish. Now he's a member of the Dallas Mavericks. Plenty of other teams made offers, allegedly the Sons, who were reported willing to include Chris Paul in their trade package. Everybody wants the thirty set in your old point card. Sons are also prepared to pursue Kevin Durant before the trade deadline at the Nets make him available. Now, this Katie thing is fascinating because he still got three years left. Colin's what's he sticking around for? And his value is only going to go down as he gets folder thirty five. Shouldn't the Nets just say, hey, fire sale, we're not beaten with Katie Dorry and Phinney Smith, and we're not beating the Bucks to the Celtics. What are we doing, Let's trade Durant. I think the Nets believed this morning, and there's analytics to prove this true, that actually the Nets were better when Katie was on the floor and Kyrie wasn't. Slightly. I think there's people in the building in Brooklyn that absolutely believe and they may be right that Spencer Dinwoodie Phinney, Smith, Kevin Durant, Boxton, Joe Harris, all these guys, they're better as a team as a collective. Look at that than the Kyrie team. I think so, I don't think Brooklyn. I think Brooklyn thinks we're going to be a better basketball team. I believe with Kyrie, they did go I think eighteen and three in December, some ridiculous they were on a tear and they got back in the Eastern Conference. But there's some analytic numbers I heard over the weekend that Katie and Kyrie on the floor, and Katie and not Kyrie on the floor, they actually were slightly better. That they're not a contender with just Kevin Durrett. They're not a contender for anything. Right, we would agree on them. Well, they they I will say this, they'll be a better defensive team now. And they were already top five or six in the East, so they'll be a better defensive team. You and I both know the two teams that ended up in the finals last year with a number one and two defensive teams. I know everybody loves Luca and those guys and Kyrie they'll play no defense. And so I think Brooklyn says we're a better defensive team. I mean, Kyrie's a defensive liability. We're a better defensive team. And we got a couple of b players. But you know, didn't what he liked When he was Brooklyn played very very well. I like him as a sixth man, very good player. And Finnie Smith is the perfect wing to defend. You know, Chris, I think Brooklyn thinks we're a playoff team and slightly better today than we were. You know this, Colin, you don't want to be in the middle. You want to be at the top, or you want to be at the bottom. You don't want to be in the dreaded middle. Well, you're just on that hamster wheel getting the sixth seed and losing in the second round, like there's no win there. Well, if I own a team, I don't want to be at the bottom necessarily very long. So I think you trade Kevin Durant, You'll never get Kevin Durant back in value. There is no other Kevin Durant. You're not getting that. This is the last time you have a guy as good as Kevin Durant, maybe in the history of the franchise. I don't know if I want to give him up. If I give him up, I better get a lot. I guarantee Rudy Gobert fits. What a bad deal. That's not a good Don't use that as a deal that should be followed. J Mack with the news. Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. Hey, what's up, every body? It's me three time pro bowler Levarrington and I couldn't be more excited to announce a new podcast called Up on Game. What is Up on Game? You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler t J. Hushman's Otta and Super Bowl champion. Yep, that's right, Plexico Burds. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it. Up on Game. We're going to be sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen to Up on Game with Me, LeVar Arrington, t J. Hushman's Outa, and Plexico Birds on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast from. We're going to the Super Bowl. Take a look at our amazing set in Arizona. We'll be here Thursday and Friday, right outside of State Farm Stadium. Great guests are coming up, getting ready for Eagles and Chiefs. Catch it all this week right here on the herd. I see a lot of those other sets out there, nothing compared to ours. So I was thinking about this Luca and Kyrie, is that offense matters more in basketball than defense. In football, offense also means more than defense, but situationally, you have to be competent defensively. So in the NBA, Luca Kyrie will be fun to watch. They'll score a lot of points. I don't deny any of it. But let's not forget the two teams that ended up in the finals last year. The Celtics had the number one rated defense all year and the Warriors, when Draymond played, had the best defense since the Tim Duncan era. I think that was I believe that was the stat during the regular season, so it was basically the two best defensive teams in the NBA made the finals. Boston's a really good offensive team, but there's better offensive teams. So this idea, Luca and Kyrie are not a championship team now in the West, I think they can make some Hey, if they were in the East together, they wouldn't beat Boston, they would not beat Milwaukee. I do not think they'd beat Philadelphia, and I don't know if they beat Cleveland, I don't think they'd beat Cleveland. Cleveland plays real defense. Those four teams they wouldn't beat. But in the West, the Clippers play really good defense. Golden State formally did. They're not this year. And I think a lot of that with the Warriors is they aren't playing a lot of players. They don't They play about seven guys, seven seven and a half guys. They don't play Cominga very much. They don't play Moody at all. Wiseman's not working. So I think they'll score a bunch of points and they'll be dynamic. And part of what I like about this selfishly is I can't wait to watch it. I was just done watching Brooklyn. I thought Brooklyn was uninteresting. Simmons is odd, Kyrie when he's available, is talented, but I just I it wasn't a lot of there there for me. Durant was hurt or Kyrie was hurt and Simmons can't shoot, and Harden wasn't happy, so he laughed and alas feels fresh New West Points. I think it'll work early. There is a possibility, and I read I was reading Mark Stein yesterday on substack, veteran NBA reporter on his own like, you know, his own thing, and you know, he was talking about there's no discussion right now of a four year deal, which is amazing to me. But if Dallas said, we just want to want to run this thing to the playoffs and see what it looks like, my guess if they want to do that is Kyrie will absolutely go all in and it'll work. Absolutely best behavior Kyrie has worked for a time in Boston or Cleveland, or it's over the course of time. It struggles, but it's not a championship team. I do think the Warriors, when they get into the playoffs and they will, will eventually flip a switch. I think the Clippers play real defense, Memphis plays real defense. Those teams would beat this team. And I think it's easy because when you do get these gifted offensive players, Remember, playoff basketball is not regular season basketball. Regular season basketball, you get uneven rest. So if you have to come in and you roll into town and you played the Clippers last night, and you fly in, you get into Dallas at you know, two or three in the morning or whatever time it is. You go to the hotel, shooter around and the MAVs have Luca and Kyrie on two days rest, and you got road legs. It's the fourth game of a roadie. They're gonna blow you out. They're gonna blow you out. But if it's a playoff series, you're all equally rested. You can burrow in on a team's weaknesses, and lucas not a very good defensive player, and Kyrie can be atrocious. So if you play this team in a series, you can really burrow in on their weakness. And they've got one. So I don't think it's a championship team, But selfishly, I think it's gonna be interesting, and I like interesting, And I do think you had to make a move to send a message to Luca, even though he's got a long term deal. Hey we're gonna take some big swings here. We're gonna take some big swings that matters. I've never understood. I've talked about this for years. If I was a great NBA player, Dallas would always be at the top of my list if I was a free agent. Reason being, it's in the center of the country. No five six hour flights. It's right in the middle of the country. New York's three and a half away, Portland's three and a half away. La is a couple so if you're on a coast, you get a lot of long flights to the other coast. That's the first part of the Cuban's a good over He takes care of his players. Dallas no state tax. It is a great place to be a young guy, a beautiful people everywhere. There's a lot of things to do. So I've never understood the difficulty with Dallas landing. So they draft Nevinsky's a home run and then they get Luca is a home run they couldn't kind of get. They can't get them the second guy. And I've asked people about this. Why not is it viewed by basketball players as a football state? Is it viewed by basketball players? Is that Mark Cuban will always be the star of the franchise. I have no idea, but I like the idea that finally We've got two mega stars in Dallas, which is a really good basketball market. They love their team, they support it, they win a lot of games. They've rarely been awful. They're always semi viable, and I can't wait to watch him play. Yeah, I agree with you. Dallas will be a great fit for Kyrie Irving because he's a flat Earth guy, and you know, Texas is a very flat state. It's just the symmetry there's perfect for Kyrie Irving in Dallas, Texas. I love it. I mean it's a cynicism. As a journal I love Kyrie Irving. I'm a huge fan of his work. All Right, Greg ko sell our Power Hour, it's the Herd