Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Are you sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern, nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS one. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go on a Tuesday. How lucky are we live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We're on iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio FS one. Andy Reid heading to the Super Bowl coach of the Chiefs in thirty minutes now. Jason McIntyre is usually sitting in the chair next to me. J mac will be arriving in about fifteen minutes. He had to pay off a bet. Both of us thought Seattle would be awful this year and end up with a number one or two pick and get like Bryce Young, the quarterback for Alabama. One day, he it just vomited right out. He said, you know what, if the Seahawks have a winning record, I'm I'm going to shave the Seahawk logo in my head. Well, that didn't work out great. Geno Smith played fantastic. Pete Carroll had a great year. The Seahawks hit on all five of their first draft picks, made the playoffs, quickly extinguished by the Niners. But nonetheless, he will pay off his bet today. In fifteen minutes, get to a tv FS one. He's got a sea logo. I've seen it on the side of his head, and we'll introduce him in fifteen minutes. We're gonna soak this thing for everything we can. That's in fifteen minutes. So I want to start with this. Quarterbacks now are more important than ever, and they make more money than ever, and that matters because not every young person handles money the same way. Generally, my gut feeling would be kids who had good parents, solid backgrounds have a better chance to handle that money. Well. Eagle is going to have a big decision on Jalen Hurts. I like what I see, but I'm not just talking the athlete. I'm reading a story this morning. You know he had his longest pass was twenty nine yards through for one hundred and twenty one total. Are there more talented guys, yes, But if talent was the most important thing for quarterback than Aaron Rodgers would be in ten super Bowls, not just one. That's Tom Brady leadership is real, relatability, likability, toughness, taking one for the team committed in the off season. There is no position in sports. As basketball has become more position less, there's no position in sports where you're asked to be a greater leader of men. And as the sport veers into offense. Used to just be you ran that side of the locker room. Nah, Now you run the team. Now you run the team. Now it's interesting. Let's take Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray came out a number one pick, Joe Burrow a number one pick, and let's think about both, both unbelievable college quarterbacks. What's the difference between the two? Both are incredibly accurate sixty seven. Both are more than capable of moving. We saw a lot of that from Burrow this weekend. Both inherited losing franchise. One in Arizona, one in Cincinnati. We had real doubts early about their coach losing. Culture's tough divisions completely complete rosters, can you say completely incomplete? What's the difference? The biggest gap is in talent. The biggest gap is one's a dude, one's relatable, one goes out with the guys, one connects with everybody in the organization. The other's Kyler Murray. And that's the difference. Jalen Hurts he's Joe Burrow. A lot like Joe Burrow. He's authentic, just enough of a swagger. Like Burrow. He was told at a college football power now we're gonna go with somebody else, and it just pissed him off enough to just at a little jet fuel. Burrow and Hurts just the perfect kind of cocky and both real. Both I had Burrow on a podcast all year. Are not going to give you a lot to play with verbally. They'll talk to teammates, they'll talk him the room. They're not going to give the media a lot. They're gonna hand and all the plots and the nice things and the compliments to their teammates. And both got buy in, especially Jalen Hurts. Hurts got buy in from old Hall of Fame level veterans like you know, Jason Kelsey and that guy can sniff out a phony. Got total buy in from the Lane Johnson's and the Kelsey and the old guys and that's something and and why what is it about Jalen Hurts and borrow My guess is a lot of it is really good parenting from both. Both have a tremendous work ethic and both were told no, you're not good enough, you're not big enough, you're not this enough, and it just adds that jet fuel. But when you're handing out big contracts, Jalen Hurts feels like an easy one for me. That guy, that guy is all in. He is a foxhole guy. And leadership that is a skill nobody is born with. You got to cultivate it, you got to build it, and then once you're annoyeded it just like throwing a football, you gotta practice it. Kyler Murray may have had it, then he lost it. Now he's grasping. Now stuff's getting leaked. Front office teammates, former teammates. The Jalen Hurts Is and the Boroughs are easy for me to give money to. Good background, good guy ticked off, want to prove people wrong, and they really work at that leadership thing. They really care about it. Good habits, good people. By the way, Jalen Hurts is famous for squatting six hundred pounds at Oklahoma with his teammates going absolutely crazy around him. I mean, if that's not one of the guys, that guy, for me is an easy guy to pay, an easy guy to commit to. Look at those teammates, all right, So let's go to an old quarterback who's made plenty of money. So we say this all the time. If you've gotten a plane and the pilot has a flight plan and then suddenly he's told by radar, yes, massive lightning storm off to the west, well the plane should then new information head east. If you were told there's something that could save your kid's life, blood transfusion, whatever it is, it's new and it could use it. New information, new opinions, new circumstances, new opinions. I didn't think like Tom Brady would ever want to play football, even though his parents are in the Bay Area, three thousand miles from his kids. But an NFL executive said he believes anonymously told the athletics Mike Sando, a guy I trust Niners are going to trade Trey Lance and signed Tom Brady. And I said this. Watching the game in the third quarter, I thought to myself, everybody's got a breaking point. My mom was really, really giving, but sometimes she'd ask for stuff too. Maybe your mom was patient, but sometimes she'd probably snapped two. Everybody's got a breaking point, and Kyle Shanahan is sitting there Sunday thinking, Trey Lance hurt, Garoppolo hurt, Brock Purdy hurt, Josh Johnson hurt. I'm snapping the ball to a running back. Get me a big athlete who's not hurt. Six four and a half two hunter, twenty pound Tom Brady who has not missed a start due to injuries since two thousand and eight. I'm sorry I would think about it. Circumstances have changed. Now you find out that Purdy the injuries worse when we than we thought, and that he can't participate in off season workouts. You know, got me back until the season. Wha time out. He's a seventh round pick. He didn't start the season. Anybody noticed what brock Purty did when he got the story. When he got the news, tore his elbow up. He wanted a second opinion because he sees his career withering away, his opportunity. He wants a second opinion on that thing. So the injury is far worse than we thought. You think Kyle Shanahan's gonna go into a season Garoppolo, Trey Lance Off an injury, brock Purty off an injury with this roster, don't forget Kittle is going to be thirty soon. He's been injured. Christian McCaffrey twenty seven years old. Those are dog gears, man, That running back has taken shots. Debo now played one full season in his career of sixteen games. Yuschek is going to be thirty one, he's been hurt. Trent Williams thirty five soon. This is an old offense. If you told me after next year Trent Williams and Kittle retired, would you be shocked? Or McCaffrey got dinged up, Debo got dinged up again. Brock Purty smaller than you'd really ideally want, The injuries worse and reported initially now he's gonna miss offseason workouts. Opinions change when circumstances change. And I can't believe Kyle Shanahan is sitting there thinking, look at this roster, look at this offense, my side of the ball, this window is shrinking. To me, It's like one more great year of this offense. Then you got to hit on another fifth round tight end like George Kittle. Brady doesn't miss starts, not due to injury. Carson Palmer, Great Carson Palmer quarterback last week, told us some hard truths as well about Brock Purdy's game. You hate to say it because everybody says, well, Tom Brady was a sixth round pick. Brock Purdy was a seventh round pick for a reason. There's been some throws I've seen this offseeer this postseason where Brock doesn't quite have the velocity and the zip on the ball that a first second round pick, and he's gotten away with it because there's been so much cushion created by the system that these are running. You know, I was talking to somebody about this this morning. There's a reason we call him dynasties. In the moment, a lot of great things happen, they're magical, Nick Fole super Bowl, but dynasties are rare. And the way to sustain a dynasty is like have Belichick and Brady, or in Kansas City, have Andy Reid and Mahomes. Even if Brock Purty comes back next year and is pretty darned good, you think he's going to be part of a dynasty. It feels like he's talented, he's a gamer. You're not building around it. That's why Brock Purdy wants a second opinion. This is his opportunity and now suddenly it's vanished. Potentially, I think Kyle's thinking about Brady. I really do, all right, and he reads around the corner and we will introduce Jason McIntyre today as promised, lost a bet, got a logo that's coming up. Sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdayson noon Easter nine a m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. Oh, it is great to have you in. Well, he made a bet and he's a man of his word. Jason McIntyre said the Seahawks would be terrible if they had a winning record. He'd chave the Seahawks logo into his head and there it is, folks. It's not bad at all, show Jason. So you did this yesterday. Not bad. I think it's fantastic. So it was a thirty minute process yesterday, thirty forty minute process. Justin our great barber here at Fox put it in the side of my head and now I live with it for a day. Yeah, you don't have to. Um. So, I grew up in Seattle and I've always thought it's the most unique logo in sports. I love it. I love the season. The other reason I did it because you liked the logo. Yeah, Well, for the record, I thought they were going to be terrible too, didn't everybody everyone did Vegas thought they were going to be terrible, and then they hit on their first five draft picks. All became starters. Well. Also, the ray lose Stafford, so there's too close, right, and the division fell apart, so they got a little bit of a break. The Niners beat him up, but Arizona and the Rams went into the toilet for a very various reasons. Can I thank Baker Mayfield for throwing that interception in overtime? All they need to do in week eighteen? You know, Rams get the ball, they go down, they score, and it's over. And I don't have a logo in the side of my head like a meat ball. Let's see it one more time, Let's see it. I think play zoom in on that. Yeah, I think the audience loves it. I to quote my wife, play stupid games win stupid prizes. So I have learned my lesson and I will watch what I say in regards to silly bets. That is a great line. Yeah, that is a great line by your wife. I don't think I can credit her on that. I don't think she came up well, no, but the fact that she delivered it at the perfect time, straight to my face and then looked the other way like I don't exist. Yeah, my kids kind of Oh, dad, one time, one time my wife got mad at me, and this was we were just one time, that's all. Oh, we broke up six times before we got married. And I went out with the boys one night, had a good time, got in late, and she just looked at me when I got home and said, don't go, or you shouldn't go, and don't do what you shouldn't do. I got home a lot earlier from that point forward in the relationship, and I was a good guy. I just have an extra of bourbon. You were a good guy. That sounds like an episode of White Lodus season two, which you're not watching, correct, I am not watching. So I want to talk about this. So and I've you know, throughout the course of time when I started my little podcast company. I was reading some business books and calling some business people and asking for advice. And you know, one of the things you have to do, and I see it a lot in sports is take advantage of other dysfunctional people. So the Panthers took advantage of the dysfunction known as the Cults with Jim Ursay now meddling, and ended up getting Frank Reich good hire. The Chargers, I think, took advantage of the Cowboys dysfunction and hired Kellen Moore the offensive coordinator. Belichick for years feasted on the dysfunctional Dolphins, Browns and bi Now, of course both are much more functional. Maybe not the Browns but the Dolphins. By the way, how they get all those picks that they rated the dysfunctional Houston Texans for Laramie Tunzel. Danny Ainge has done this in his career. When he was the Celtics GM, he got a Trevor trove from a treasure trove from Brooklyn for old Kevin Garnett. And then he I think he didn't need to a deal for Rudy Gobert and got a fortune from the t Wolves. So Danny Ainge two lobsided trades with both the Celtics as a GM and the Jazz as a GM, and that's what you have to do. The great organizations don't make a lot of mistakes. That's why I do think green Bay looks at the Jets with Aaron Rodgers and thinks they got a desperate coach. They got to win now he's got to keep his job. And the Jets I could see them massively over delivering to green Bay. Green Bay well run, Jets, poorly run historically. So that's why I think that, you know, whether I think it's a great deal or not, I could see it happening. So Kellen Moore is fascinating. So I want to throw this up. So Kellen Moore as co ordinator for the Cowboys. Here were his quarterbacks. Forty nine Dack starts, nine, Andy Dalton starts, six Cooper Rush starts, a Garrett Gilbert start, and a Ben Denucci start. So that's a little bit of a jumble eye. There's a lot of different starters No A quarterbacks in that group, some CS, some DS, some B minuses No a's. And how did he do second in scoring, second in yards per game, fourth in yards per play. He's a scapegoat. Dude's a great coach. Oh. By the way, the best season Justin Herbert ever had was his rookie year with the Chargers, Shane steike In the coordinator. Now with the Eagles, you think Herbert's gotten worse. No, his coaching has quarterbacks need coach. I love Mahomes, Okay, Andy Reid's been part of it. I got news for you. I love Burrow Zach Taylor get some credit. You look up and around this league. You see a lot of these last placed teams. They don't have an offensive culture. So to me, you're building a business. You're building a football team, you're building a basketball team. Danny Ainge has been the architect find desperation. Fine, you know he looks at Minnesota. Minnesota's got Carl Anthony Towns, Anthony Edwards. They're like, all right, we've been averaged forever. We're going all in good. We'll take what do they get five draft picks, four players or four draft picks and five players. They're nine guys for Rudy Gobert. That's what you gotta do. And I think the Chargers took advantage of the Cowboys dysfunction they lost. Jerry's upset. Somebody's got to take the fall. Kellen Moore is a scapegoat. He's not the issue. J Mack. The new would improve J Mack with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news heard about new and improved. I gotta be honest with you. It's a good look. I mean, that's you know. I think you pull it off. It looks good on I can pull off anything, because you know I'm Jason. But right now referring to myself in the third person, uh, Bengals defensive end Joseph how did you say his last name? Osaisai? He had that brutal late hit on Patrick Mahomes. I don't care what anybody says that you have to throw the flag. Of course, it's a set up the game winning field goal. But listen, he's not just to blame. I mean, the punt return obviously was. It was a disaster punt of the ball to the middle of the field ter so let's not blame Osai. However, on the way back to the locker room, linebacker Jermaine Pratt, yeah was cut yelling at Osaia. It was pretty bad. A couple of expletives made the rounds on social media. Pratt has since apologized for his outburst. I gotta make it a mistake over and done with. I was emotional, I was in the moment. I was wrong. I would say I was wrong as a man. You can look at the steth in the mirror and say I was wrong. I wasn't a great teammate that moment. But they don't define me as a man, by the way. I totally agree. Listen, folks, it's sports. It's emotional. These athletes train all year for these moments. They get upset. Of course, it's okay. I mean it wasn't a smart play. Osai though I thought had a pretty good game. Oh he was terrific. I got the stats here, coming two quarterback hits, tackle for loss, knocked down a past second year linebacker against Patrick Mahones a company. He was very good. Yeah, and it's okay for a teammate to come a little unglued. Sport. Why the reason we like sports. It's not scripted drama like you get. You get all sorts you get. I got Patrick Beverley this week and taking a camera over to an official I got, you know, That's why we love this stuff. You do not know what's gonna happen. So we in the media, you know, we gotta take a deep breath. They make mistakes. They're young people. They got all this adrenaline going. It's in the game. Not a smart play. Guy regrets it. Take a deep breath. We're all gonna be apologized. We're all gonna be uncle stands are upset about the referees. I'm glad it's Tuesday. Now we're past the referee issue. Do you think they were? They were terrible? All right? Moving on now, this is a little spicy coward. Albert Breer is reporting the Raiders have not granted Derek Carr permission to talk with other teams about a trade. This comes as a mild surprise, given forty point four million dollars a Car's contract becomes guaranteed if he's still on the roster Debruary fifteen. Yeah, it's interesting right after the Super Bowl. Don't forget Car has a no trade clause and would certainly have more options on the table if the Raiders just cut him. But then the Raiders will get nothing in return. This morning, Car was named to the Pro Bowl for the fourth time. I don't know why that happens. Everybody dropped out. Well, despite the critics, he does have a market, he's healthy, leads the league in fourth quarter of comebacks. Also, they'd lead the league in blown double digit leads. Well, he's not on the field for a lot of those. He doesn't. He's not on defensive player. You can't give him all the credit for the comebacks and then not blame him when they blow big leads. That being said, I think McDaniels played this extremely poorly. We knew they were not getting along. We've talked about this Car option in like October, and then he pulls car for the final two games so he doesn't get hurt. That's telling the rest of the league we're out on him. It's over, We're trading him. And then everybody's like, why am I giving you anything? He has a no trade cause you're just gonna have to cut him. The Raiders are gonna get nothing here. Yeah, when people say, I mean to me, if I was the Jets, I'd give us I'd give up two seconds to get Derek. But then you got to make sure Car wants to come there. And why would you give up seconds when you could just outbid whoever wants him after they cut him. Oh, you're right, yeah, I guess my takeaways this. Does he have a market? Yes? Oh yeah? Have the Raiders handled it well? Doesn't feel like it. I do think you can move off Derek Carr and not only survive, but depending on who you get, be fine. There's a lot of examples of this. By the way, the Lions moved off Matt Stafford and they're fine. Well wait, they got Jared goth in return. Well, if they don't get anything for car, what is your game plan next this offseason? Jimmy Garoppolo over Tom Brady. I don't you think Brady's going there? I don't. I mean Brady and McDaniels. There's a lot of dysfunction in that organization, a lot. There's a lot. Jimmy Garoppolo has a very small market. So let's say Brian Dable says, Jimmy Garoppolo, come on down. If you're Garoppolo, do you want to go work with Daniels or do you want to go to New York City and work with Dabel in a week division table? Okay, so then what's plan B for McDaniels? Like I don't think they fully thought this through common I mean, obviously they're not going to start who was it. Stidham was the guy, Remember the backup who finished the season. You can't go to the season with Jared Stidham is your quarterback. Now, I don't think they're taking a rookie. Hey, listen, we don't even know if Denver has a coach. We'll get you that later. Raiders are in deep trouble. Final story, This is weird. Josh Allen's ability to run obviously a massive component to one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL career high one hundred twenty four rush attempts this season, but also took thirty three sacks, second most in his career. Bill's GM Brandon Bean spoke about how he hopes Allen will work on protecting himself going forward. I think Josh, you know, had a really good year. Force We did a lot of good things. You know. The only thing I get on to him, he's got too many bruises on him and we gotta work on on taking less hits. Is that's That's the only reason I'm going to ever criticize Josh is just take less hits. Okay, but the old line, six years with McDermott is still bottom third in the league. They have never developed a run game. It's very much like the Pittsburgh Steelers. I was talking to somebody in Pittsburgh over the weekend. It's very much Pittsburgh defensive coach. They get the defense right, defensive sensibility, play with a lot of emotion. But the Steelers and the Bills can't get the old line right and can't engineer a consistent run game. What do they have in common? Very respected defensive head coaches, and so you can say to Josh, you know, Josh, take less hits. But in the end, by this was the Cam Newton had a defensive coach. In the end, if you don't give me offensive options, I'm stuck running a lot of times. When I watched Josh Allen run a lot of times, it's out of necessity. So wait, if you're Josh Allen and you hear this sound bite on TV, the local news wherever you are, Cam Koon, whatever, and you hear the GMC, I'm going to criticize that just take less hits. Wouldn't you be like, bro, what are you talking about? Can you give me an offensive line. Can I get a run game outside of the reason I'm running because we can't run the football? Yeah, I never see. It's just a weird criticism, cousin. And when they played a Cincinnati he didn't Josh Allen didn't run a lot in the first half. And my takeaway is they didn't want him to run at some point, you know, Kenny Pickett, they don't want him to run, But at some point Kenny Pickett's gonna want to move the chains in Pittsburgh. Yeah, you're going up against Burrow twice a year and Lamark Jackson twice a year, and you're in a dogfight and your defense isn't holding up. When I watched Josh Allen run, he's doing it out of necessity. Like when I watch when I watched Jalen Hurts run, it feels like it's generally a play to his design run. That's different. Josh is running for his life a lot, don't don't. Most of the leadership books say praise publicly, criticized private. Well, I didn't feels that's a criticism. He got a great quarterback and that's what you I felt that was a I didn't feel that was Okay, if I was Josh Allen, I wouldn't take that as a shot. I would take that as my boss is saying protect yourself. That's not really a harsh criticism. Okay, so here it is right here. So this season including the playoffs, Um, you know, he only took ninety five hits, which was eight but he does feel like it does feel very calm. Just sunk what four hundred million dollars into his new contract. He's only taking the eighth modes hits in the league. I don't know I'm out on, but I'm starting to get out on Buffalo probably a literal rational, But I don't think you and I think they go into next season as like a are they a top three team in the AFC? Cold? No, go you into next season about off season and draft to come. But they have not better than the Chiefs well, and they've got to make some moves on the roster. They're not better than the Bengals, and I you could talk yourself into Chargers, Jaguars, Ravens. I don't know about Buffalo, all right. J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line. Andy Reid's around the Corner head coach of the Chiefs. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays a New n Easter nine Am Pacific, two NBA Insiders podcasting twice a week to plug you right into the NBA Grape five all happening in only one place. This League Uncut, the new NBA podcast with Me, Chris Haynes and Me Mark Stein join us as we team up to expound on everything we're covering. Hearing and Chason. Listen to This League Uncut with Chris Haynes and Mark Stein on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Well, in the last twenty years, he's as good as any coach we've had. Twenty four years as a head coach, he got the Eagles to Super Bowl and NFC Championships on a consistent basis. He's now reached the Super Bowl and three of his last four years ten years in Kansas City, nine playoff appearances. So I look at you and I think you know, success is one thing. Sustained success is really really hard. The Warriors are doing it. Bill did it, You're doing it, and a lot of that stuff is you know Steph Curry, Brady Mahomes. I mean that obviously helps. If you were to go back to rookie Andy Reid, your first year coaching head coach, and today's Andy Reid, I would argue, what I remember, you take more risks now than you did when you were a young kid, which is not the way it works for most humans. Am I wrong on that? You You feel edgier to me today than you were when you were young. Yeah, I'm probably edgier with the football part, but not as edgy with the players. I was grumpy back then. I smile. Now, poor well Patrick can do that for you. I would say, though you have learned, I mean, why why is that? Explain why you think that is? Well, I don't know. That's a good question. We did a lot of stuff at Philly. It was a little bit out of the box. I know when I first go in, we're throwing the ball more than anybody and I got asked the question a loud why don't you run the ball more? And but uh that that seemed edgy back then, But the trick plays now or more probably a little bit more edgy, especially inside that five yard line. Yeah, you know some of the things. Some of the things we do get perceived as high risk. Yeah, well where did I said it? Um? You know, we didn't wait to call Michael Jordan the best ever, even though Bill Russell had almost twice the titles. And I said, I've never ranked guys on Super Bowls. That's part of it. But there's there's things Patrick does that Joe and Tom and Peyton just can't do the thing that oways. And maybe I'm totally wrong on this, but it was that throw to the end zone. At the front of the end zone. Patrick's ability to see something and then the balls out of his hand feels so much quicker than even other guys. I like, is he getting better at it? Am? I right? Did you notice it? I don't know what you call it, but it's that cognitive ability to see it get it out. I don't think I've ever seen anybody like it, do you? I mean, talk about that process. Yeah, it's probably a little bit like comparing fighter pilots. Some guys see a little bit better than others. They all see well, some see better than others. And Patrick's able. Uh, you know, you teach young kids you keep your eyes down the field as you move well. When Patrick moves, he naturally does that, and then he has accuracy and strength velocity on the ball at the same time, and so that that makes him a little bit different than a lot of quarterbacks. You hear the great ones saying that he's he's a great one, and that's quite a compliment to him. And now you had this whole thing in with the ankle, and yeah, stuff that he's pushing through mentally is special. Pain tolerance is a skill. Did the ankle change in any way, Andy, any of your sets, your game plan, your ideology for the game at all? Now? Not much. We kept everything basically the same. I would tell you we probably didn't move him around quite as much as we normally do, but he moved around like he normally does. So I thought, I thought he was able to push off of it and keep himself in a safe position. And that was all his mental the mental toughness part of this. I mean, he willed himself, Collin from day one after the game that he was going to play and he wanted you to keep everything in the game plan and so I will handle it like right now, as was his mentality. And he did that, by the way, on the sideline during the game. He was barking at shit. He's like, you know, he didn't want to take his cleats off, because you take your cleats off, it's over right the days and take me to that moment you're you're calling a game the national TV cameras, he's hurt, you care about him, the person he's barking at you. I mean, what was going on there? Well, I've got fifty one percent of that vote and so, uh so the barking, it was like your kids, You've got kids. I've got kids and and uh and this guy he was mindset that I'm going back in and I'm fine, and I don't need an X ray and all this. And I said, well, uh yeah, you're gonna go back in, but you're gonna get an X ray first, and and uh he didn't like that, but he did it. And uh what was coincidental was and I didn't see this till later, but he ran up the ramp to get the X ray. And that's how that's how it was mad. He wasn't how much adrenaline he had going through them. And I go, this kid, he's he is crazy, but a good crazy. You know, his parents Burrows parents, Jalen Hurt's parents. I don't know where it comes from, but they're all foxhole guys. And I always said, I want my quarterback to be a foxhole guy, and I like him to have a little jet fuel. They've been overlooked by somebody told no by somebody fallen in the draft. Must of the great quarterbacks have that? Um? And it's it's did he have all these innate abilities day one? I mean, it feels like to me, he's just getting smarter, He's made better decisions. Um. Or is this stuff you've seen it every day? Or do you feel like he's getting better? Well? I taught him everything, calling him, you know, come on there you go. Uh no, listen he uh he was spectacular at Texas Tech. Um. He could move around, he does all he did all the same stuff. He moved around, through the ball, through it hard, accurate. Um. It was just a matter of getting him a few snaps under center and used to the defenses in the National Football League. And the thing that doesn't get said about Patrick is how smart he is. He picks things up so quick. He was following one of the smartest quarterbacks I've ever coached at Alex Smith, and we didn't have to take a big step back. I mean, he just picked it up and we kept on going. And it's a real tribute to him, and then Alex teaching him how to how to study and do all those things that players can teach players. So Sean McVay admitted his first Super Bowl overprepared, and go back to your first Super Bowl and go to the one. Now, is there a little bit of a danger especially a creative offensive guy? Is there a little bit of a danger? Andy? You just have one extra play and one extra lateral and what I mean, you tell me what you go through without extra time because you're great off buys. That's your record, so you obviously know how to use the time. But now you got there's a long stretch and it's a B game. Yeah, So what we try to do calling is get everything in this week before you go to the site, which is Arizona. So we try to get the game plan put together. That way, you keep all the coaches kind of in that box that you're talking about, yeah, and that you don't get too crazy. And once you get down to Phoenix, it's it's gonna be a bit chaotic with just the different events that go on. So you get it in now, you practice it, and then you kind of freshen it up once you get once you get to the site there, Well, you were only unemployed for about fifteen minutes, if I recall. But when Philadelphia lets you go, you have every right to be angry. You have every right to hold a grudge you never have. Is it different? How different is it to face your former team in a Super Bowl? Yeah? Well, listen, it's unique. I mean I thought of all the teams in the league. I mean, here we are Yan City Chiefs versus Philadelphia Eagles. I still have a great relationship with Jeff Lurry, Howie Roseman, all the all the people there, Big Dom, the security guy. I mean three of the players were kids that were we drafted when we were there. And yeah, so I have fun memories of Philadelphia. I love, I loved all fourteen years that I was there. And so, but when you really cut to the chase on this thing, Colin, you get to a point where you just go, listen, It's it's us, our team, our players and coaches versus their team and coaches, And it doesn't matter the uniform necessarily you're you're battling in there against these guys. You want to give your players. As a coach, you want to give your players the best opportunity that you can for them to succeed. So you focus in on the game plan. That's what you do. Yeah, and then you put all the other stuff, all the emotional stuff, you kind of put over on the on the side, and uh, you can you love him up after the game? You know, you guys played with so much emotion and yet so smart. And then I watched Travis Kelsey after it, just a riot. He was all ticked off on that Burrowhead stuff and that here stuff. And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, you always pretend like it doesn't matter. I heard your players, they didn't like that at all. Did you address it during the week at all? Well, I didn't. It was kind of self addressed. I just asked him to stay off of countering in it. Let's not get into that. Um they were talking and that's okay. I mean, listen, that's that's their style, and but that's not our style. We're we're kind of play you. Let's go playing the CBS parking lot McDonald's Park, wherever you want to go. Let's go, man, and uh, you know, take off the tuxedo, put on the blue jeans and let's let's roll and that that's kind of how we how we go and so that's uh, the guys did that. Um. And then you know, Kelsban from Cincinnati, he got it off his chest, you know, I mean, he put it out there. He's part of the part of the group, you know. So Um. But the guys I thought did a good job of just going out and playing and playing good heart football. By the way, I thought Spags had his best defensive game plan. I think that's the most underdiscussed part of this. Cincinnati didn't have long drives. That had an eight played drive in the second half and that was about it. I thought it was did you know it was going to be that successful? Well, the players calling, we're talking about it early in the week on how much they liked it and they couldn't wait to execute it. And that's always a good sign. And so Spags and his staff did did a great job with that and that I thought that, you know, all the defensive guys just played their hearts out. Chris Jones was believable. Oh, unbelievable. So it's a tribute to all of them, pull them, pull them together, and and all those young kids and making it happen. It was a beautiful thing there. Andy Reid uh an all timer. He's so kind to come on our show. He's a busy guy. He takes out here a little time on a Tuesday, and we appreciate it. You know what lunch is on me today? Wan't you put it on my tab and send it to me. We'll take care. How's that. I'd just be coming well if I can get it. If I get a Timmy Burger right now, if you can FedEx me one, that would be great. Andy. It's great seeing you all right, Colin, thank you all right, Andy Reid. Isn't that funny that the defensive game plan like the guys were locked in during the week. They're like that works. I thought Burrow very rarely. That was Joe Burrows low US passer rating since week one. He was hurt. So it was essentially one of the few times this year Joe Burrow struggled and they were without the linebacker Willie Gay and Snead was injured, and it's like if they get them back for the Super Bowl. Maybe this is a good Chiefs defense. We know the Eagles defense is good. I'm thinking under maybe in the super Bowl. Under fifty. I believe it is a total. Yeah, it's um. Well, neither quarterbacks and Jalen Hurts is way more injured than I think people understand. Like that. That's he did not have any touch and he usually does all right, hour or two next

Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Are you sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern, nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS one. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go on a Tuesday. How lucky are we live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We're on iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio FS one. Andy Reid heading to the Super Bowl coach of the Chiefs in thirty minutes now. Jason McIntyre is usually sitting in the chair next to me. J mac will be arriving in about fifteen minutes. He had to pay off a bet. Both of us thought Seattle would be awful this year and end up with a number one or two pick and get like Bryce Young, the quarterback for Alabama. One day, he it just vomited right out. He said, you know what, if the Seahawks have a winning record, I'm I'm going to shave the Seahawk logo in my head. Well, that didn't work out great. Geno Smith played fantastic. Pete Carroll had a great year. The Seahawks hit on all five of their first draft picks, made the playoffs, quickly extinguished by the Niners. But nonetheless, he will pay off his bet today. In fifteen minutes, get to a tv FS one. He's got a sea logo. I've seen it on the side of his head, and we'll introduce him in fifteen minutes. We're gonna soak this thing for everything we can. That's in fifteen minutes. So I want to start with this. Quarterbacks now are more important than ever, and they make more money than ever, and that matters because not every young person handles money the same way. Generally, my gut feeling would be kids who had good parents, solid backgrounds have a better chance to handle that money. Well. Eagle is going to have a big decision on Jalen Hurts. I like what I see, but I'm not just talking the athlete. I'm reading a story this morning. You know he had his longest pass was twenty nine yards through for one hundred and twenty one total. Are there more talented guys, yes, But if talent was the most important thing for quarterback than Aaron Rodgers would be in ten super Bowls, not just one. That's Tom Brady leadership is real, relatability, likability, toughness, taking one for the team committed in the off season. There is no position in sports. As basketball has become more position less, there's no position in sports where you're asked to be a greater leader of men. And as the sport veers into offense. Used to just be you ran that side of the locker room. Nah, Now you run the team. Now you run the team. Now it's interesting. Let's take Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray came out a number one pick, Joe Burrow a number one pick, and let's think about both, both unbelievable college quarterbacks. What's the difference between the two? Both are incredibly accurate sixty seven. Both are more than capable of moving. We saw a lot of that from Burrow this weekend. Both inherited losing franchise. One in Arizona, one in Cincinnati. We had real doubts early about their coach losing. Culture's tough divisions completely complete rosters, can you say completely incomplete? What's the difference? The biggest gap is in talent. The biggest gap is one's a dude, one's relatable, one goes out with the guys, one connects with everybody in the organization. The other's Kyler Murray. And that's the difference. Jalen Hurts he's Joe Burrow. A lot like Joe Burrow. He's authentic, just enough of a swagger. Like Burrow. He was told at a college football power now we're gonna go with somebody else, and it just pissed him off enough to just at a little jet fuel. Burrow and Hurts just the perfect kind of cocky and both real. Both I had Burrow on a podcast all year. Are not going to give you a lot to play with verbally. They'll talk to teammates, they'll talk him the room. They're not going to give the media a lot. They're gonna hand and all the plots and the nice things and the compliments to their teammates. And both got buy in, especially Jalen Hurts. Hurts got buy in from old Hall of Fame level veterans like you know, Jason Kelsey and that guy can sniff out a phony. Got total buy in from the Lane Johnson's and the Kelsey and the old guys and that's something and and why what is it about Jalen Hurts and borrow My guess is a lot of it is really good parenting from both. Both have a tremendous work ethic and both were told no, you're not good enough, you're not big enough, you're not this enough, and it just adds that jet fuel. But when you're handing out big contracts, Jalen Hurts feels like an easy one for me. That guy, that guy is all in. He is a foxhole guy. And leadership that is a skill nobody is born with. You got to cultivate it, you got to build it, and then once you're annoyeded it just like throwing a football, you gotta practice it. Kyler Murray may have had it, then he lost it. Now he's grasping. Now stuff's getting leaked. Front office teammates, former teammates. The Jalen Hurts Is and the Boroughs are easy for me to give money to. Good background, good guy ticked off, want to prove people wrong, and they really work at that leadership thing. They really care about it. Good habits, good people. By the way, Jalen Hurts is famous for squatting six hundred pounds at Oklahoma with his teammates going absolutely crazy around him. I mean, if that's not one of the guys, that guy, for me is an easy guy to pay, an easy guy to commit to. Look at those teammates, all right, So let's go to an old quarterback who's made plenty of money. So we say this all the time. If you've gotten a plane and the pilot has a flight plan and then suddenly he's told by radar, yes, massive lightning storm off to the west, well the plane should then new information head east. If you were told there's something that could save your kid's life, blood transfusion, whatever it is, it's new and it could use it. New information, new opinions, new circumstances, new opinions. I didn't think like Tom Brady would ever want to play football, even though his parents are in the Bay Area, three thousand miles from his kids. But an NFL executive said he believes anonymously told the athletics Mike Sando, a guy I trust Niners are going to trade Trey Lance and signed Tom Brady. And I said this. Watching the game in the third quarter, I thought to myself, everybody's got a breaking point. My mom was really, really giving, but sometimes she'd ask for stuff too. Maybe your mom was patient, but sometimes she'd probably snapped two. Everybody's got a breaking point, and Kyle Shanahan is sitting there Sunday thinking, Trey Lance hurt, Garoppolo hurt, Brock Purdy hurt, Josh Johnson hurt. I'm snapping the ball to a running back. Get me a big athlete who's not hurt. Six four and a half two hunter, twenty pound Tom Brady who has not missed a start due to injuries since two thousand and eight. I'm sorry I would think about it. Circumstances have changed. Now you find out that Purdy the injuries worse when we than we thought, and that he can't participate in off season workouts. You know, got me back until the season. Wha time out. He's a seventh round pick. He didn't start the season. Anybody noticed what brock Purty did when he got the story. When he got the news, tore his elbow up. He wanted a second opinion because he sees his career withering away, his opportunity. He wants a second opinion on that thing. So the injury is far worse than we thought. You think Kyle Shanahan's gonna go into a season Garoppolo, Trey Lance Off an injury, brock Purty off an injury with this roster, don't forget Kittle is going to be thirty soon. He's been injured. Christian McCaffrey twenty seven years old. Those are dog gears, man, That running back has taken shots. Debo now played one full season in his career of sixteen games. Yuschek is going to be thirty one, he's been hurt. Trent Williams thirty five soon. This is an old offense. If you told me after next year Trent Williams and Kittle retired, would you be shocked? Or McCaffrey got dinged up, Debo got dinged up again. Brock Purty smaller than you'd really ideally want, The injuries worse and reported initially now he's gonna miss offseason workouts. Opinions change when circumstances change. And I can't believe Kyle Shanahan is sitting there thinking, look at this roster, look at this offense, my side of the ball, this window is shrinking. To me, It's like one more great year of this offense. Then you got to hit on another fifth round tight end like George Kittle. Brady doesn't miss starts, not due to injury. Carson Palmer, Great Carson Palmer quarterback last week, told us some hard truths as well about Brock Purdy's game. You hate to say it because everybody says, well, Tom Brady was a sixth round pick. Brock Purdy was a seventh round pick for a reason. There's been some throws I've seen this offseeer this postseason where Brock doesn't quite have the velocity and the zip on the ball that a first second round pick, and he's gotten away with it because there's been so much cushion created by the system that these are running. You know, I was talking to somebody about this this morning. There's a reason we call him dynasties. In the moment, a lot of great things happen, they're magical, Nick Fole super Bowl, but dynasties are rare. And the way to sustain a dynasty is like have Belichick and Brady, or in Kansas City, have Andy Reid and Mahomes. Even if Brock Purty comes back next year and is pretty darned good, you think he's going to be part of a dynasty. It feels like he's talented, he's a gamer. You're not building around it. That's why Brock Purdy wants a second opinion. This is his opportunity and now suddenly it's vanished. Potentially, I think Kyle's thinking about Brady. I really do, all right, and he reads around the corner and we will introduce Jason McIntyre today as promised, lost a bet, got a logo that's coming up. Sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdayson noon Easter nine a m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. Oh, it is great to have you in. Well, he made a bet and he's a man of his word. Jason McIntyre said the Seahawks would be terrible if they had a winning record. He'd chave the Seahawks logo into his head and there it is, folks. It's not bad at all, show Jason. So you did this yesterday. Not bad. I think it's fantastic. So it was a thirty minute process yesterday, thirty forty minute process. Justin our great barber here at Fox put it in the side of my head and now I live with it for a day. Yeah, you don't have to. Um. So, I grew up in Seattle and I've always thought it's the most unique logo in sports. I love it. I love the season. The other reason I did it because you liked the logo. Yeah, Well, for the record, I thought they were going to be terrible too, didn't everybody everyone did Vegas thought they were going to be terrible, and then they hit on their first five draft picks. All became starters. Well. Also, the ray lose Stafford, so there's too close, right, and the division fell apart, so they got a little bit of a break. The Niners beat him up, but Arizona and the Rams went into the toilet for a very various reasons. Can I thank Baker Mayfield for throwing that interception in overtime? All they need to do in week eighteen? You know, Rams get the ball, they go down, they score, and it's over. And I don't have a logo in the side of my head like a meat ball. Let's see it one more time, Let's see it. I think play zoom in on that. Yeah, I think the audience loves it. I to quote my wife, play stupid games win stupid prizes. So I have learned my lesson and I will watch what I say in regards to silly bets. That is a great line. Yeah, that is a great line by your wife. I don't think I can credit her on that. I don't think she came up well, no, but the fact that she delivered it at the perfect time, straight to my face and then looked the other way like I don't exist. Yeah, my kids kind of Oh, dad, one time, one time my wife got mad at me, and this was we were just one time, that's all. Oh, we broke up six times before we got married. And I went out with the boys one night, had a good time, got in late, and she just looked at me when I got home and said, don't go, or you shouldn't go, and don't do what you shouldn't do. I got home a lot earlier from that point forward in the relationship, and I was a good guy. I just have an extra of bourbon. You were a good guy. That sounds like an episode of White Lodus season two, which you're not watching, correct, I am not watching. So I want to talk about this. So and I've you know, throughout the course of time when I started my little podcast company. I was reading some business books and calling some business people and asking for advice. And you know, one of the things you have to do, and I see it a lot in sports is take advantage of other dysfunctional people. So the Panthers took advantage of the dysfunction known as the Cults with Jim Ursay now meddling, and ended up getting Frank Reich good hire. The Chargers, I think, took advantage of the Cowboys dysfunction and hired Kellen Moore the offensive coordinator. Belichick for years feasted on the dysfunctional Dolphins, Browns and bi Now, of course both are much more functional. Maybe not the Browns but the Dolphins. By the way, how they get all those picks that they rated the dysfunctional Houston Texans for Laramie Tunzel. Danny Ainge has done this in his career. When he was the Celtics GM, he got a Trevor trove from a treasure trove from Brooklyn for old Kevin Garnett. And then he I think he didn't need to a deal for Rudy Gobert and got a fortune from the t Wolves. So Danny Ainge two lobsided trades with both the Celtics as a GM and the Jazz as a GM, and that's what you have to do. The great organizations don't make a lot of mistakes. That's why I do think green Bay looks at the Jets with Aaron Rodgers and thinks they got a desperate coach. They got to win now he's got to keep his job. And the Jets I could see them massively over delivering to green Bay. Green Bay well run, Jets, poorly run historically. So that's why I think that, you know, whether I think it's a great deal or not, I could see it happening. So Kellen Moore is fascinating. So I want to throw this up. So Kellen Moore as co ordinator for the Cowboys. Here were his quarterbacks. Forty nine Dack starts, nine, Andy Dalton starts, six Cooper Rush starts, a Garrett Gilbert start, and a Ben Denucci start. So that's a little bit of a jumble eye. There's a lot of different starters No A quarterbacks in that group, some CS, some DS, some B minuses No a's. And how did he do second in scoring, second in yards per game, fourth in yards per play. He's a scapegoat. Dude's a great coach. Oh. By the way, the best season Justin Herbert ever had was his rookie year with the Chargers, Shane steike In the coordinator. Now with the Eagles, you think Herbert's gotten worse. No, his coaching has quarterbacks need coach. I love Mahomes, Okay, Andy Reid's been part of it. I got news for you. I love Burrow Zach Taylor get some credit. You look up and around this league. You see a lot of these last placed teams. They don't have an offensive culture. So to me, you're building a business. You're building a football team, you're building a basketball team. Danny Ainge has been the architect find desperation. Fine, you know he looks at Minnesota. Minnesota's got Carl Anthony Towns, Anthony Edwards. They're like, all right, we've been averaged forever. We're going all in good. We'll take what do they get five draft picks, four players or four draft picks and five players. They're nine guys for Rudy Gobert. That's what you gotta do. And I think the Chargers took advantage of the Cowboys dysfunction they lost. Jerry's upset. Somebody's got to take the fall. Kellen Moore is a scapegoat. He's not the issue. J Mack. The new would improve J Mack with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news heard about new and improved. I gotta be honest with you. It's a good look. I mean, that's you know. I think you pull it off. It looks good on I can pull off anything, because you know I'm Jason. But right now referring to myself in the third person, uh, Bengals defensive end Joseph how did you say his last name? Osaisai? He had that brutal late hit on Patrick Mahomes. I don't care what anybody says that you have to throw the flag. Of course, it's a set up the game winning field goal. But listen, he's not just to blame. I mean, the punt return obviously was. It was a disaster punt of the ball to the middle of the field ter so let's not blame Osai. However, on the way back to the locker room, linebacker Jermaine Pratt, yeah was cut yelling at Osaia. It was pretty bad. A couple of expletives made the rounds on social media. Pratt has since apologized for his outburst. I gotta make it a mistake over and done with. I was emotional, I was in the moment. I was wrong. I would say I was wrong as a man. You can look at the steth in the mirror and say I was wrong. I wasn't a great teammate that moment. But they don't define me as a man, by the way. I totally agree. Listen, folks, it's sports. It's emotional. These athletes train all year for these moments. They get upset. Of course, it's okay. I mean it wasn't a smart play. Osai though I thought had a pretty good game. Oh he was terrific. I got the stats here, coming two quarterback hits, tackle for loss, knocked down a past second year linebacker against Patrick Mahones a company. He was very good. Yeah, and it's okay for a teammate to come a little unglued. Sport. Why the reason we like sports. It's not scripted drama like you get. You get all sorts you get. I got Patrick Beverley this week and taking a camera over to an official I got, you know, That's why we love this stuff. You do not know what's gonna happen. So we in the media, you know, we gotta take a deep breath. They make mistakes. They're young people. They got all this adrenaline going. It's in the game. Not a smart play. Guy regrets it. Take a deep breath. We're all gonna be apologized. We're all gonna be uncle stands are upset about the referees. I'm glad it's Tuesday. Now we're past the referee issue. Do you think they were? They were terrible? All right? Moving on now, this is a little spicy coward. Albert Breer is reporting the Raiders have not granted Derek Carr permission to talk with other teams about a trade. This comes as a mild surprise, given forty point four million dollars a Car's contract becomes guaranteed if he's still on the roster Debruary fifteen. Yeah, it's interesting right after the Super Bowl. Don't forget Car has a no trade clause and would certainly have more options on the table if the Raiders just cut him. But then the Raiders will get nothing in return. This morning, Car was named to the Pro Bowl for the fourth time. I don't know why that happens. Everybody dropped out. Well, despite the critics, he does have a market, he's healthy, leads the league in fourth quarter of comebacks. Also, they'd lead the league in blown double digit leads. Well, he's not on the field for a lot of those. He doesn't. He's not on defensive player. You can't give him all the credit for the comebacks and then not blame him when they blow big leads. That being said, I think McDaniels played this extremely poorly. We knew they were not getting along. We've talked about this Car option in like October, and then he pulls car for the final two games so he doesn't get hurt. That's telling the rest of the league we're out on him. It's over, We're trading him. And then everybody's like, why am I giving you anything? He has a no trade cause you're just gonna have to cut him. The Raiders are gonna get nothing here. Yeah, when people say, I mean to me, if I was the Jets, I'd give us I'd give up two seconds to get Derek. But then you got to make sure Car wants to come there. And why would you give up seconds when you could just outbid whoever wants him after they cut him. Oh, you're right, yeah, I guess my takeaways this. Does he have a market? Yes? Oh yeah? Have the Raiders handled it well? Doesn't feel like it. I do think you can move off Derek Carr and not only survive, but depending on who you get, be fine. There's a lot of examples of this. By the way, the Lions moved off Matt Stafford and they're fine. Well wait, they got Jared goth in return. Well, if they don't get anything for car, what is your game plan next this offseason? Jimmy Garoppolo over Tom Brady. I don't you think Brady's going there? I don't. I mean Brady and McDaniels. There's a lot of dysfunction in that organization, a lot. There's a lot. Jimmy Garoppolo has a very small market. So let's say Brian Dable says, Jimmy Garoppolo, come on down. If you're Garoppolo, do you want to go work with Daniels or do you want to go to New York City and work with Dabel in a week division table? Okay, so then what's plan B for McDaniels? Like I don't think they fully thought this through common I mean, obviously they're not going to start who was it. Stidham was the guy, Remember the backup who finished the season. You can't go to the season with Jared Stidham is your quarterback. Now, I don't think they're taking a rookie. Hey, listen, we don't even know if Denver has a coach. We'll get you that later. Raiders are in deep trouble. Final story, This is weird. Josh Allen's ability to run obviously a massive component to one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL career high one hundred twenty four rush attempts this season, but also took thirty three sacks, second most in his career. Bill's GM Brandon Bean spoke about how he hopes Allen will work on protecting himself going forward. I think Josh, you know, had a really good year. Force We did a lot of good things. You know. The only thing I get on to him, he's got too many bruises on him and we gotta work on on taking less hits. Is that's That's the only reason I'm going to ever criticize Josh is just take less hits. Okay, but the old line, six years with McDermott is still bottom third in the league. They have never developed a run game. It's very much like the Pittsburgh Steelers. I was talking to somebody in Pittsburgh over the weekend. It's very much Pittsburgh defensive coach. They get the defense right, defensive sensibility, play with a lot of emotion. But the Steelers and the Bills can't get the old line right and can't engineer a consistent run game. What do they have in common? Very respected defensive head coaches, and so you can say to Josh, you know, Josh, take less hits. But in the end, by this was the Cam Newton had a defensive coach. In the end, if you don't give me offensive options, I'm stuck running a lot of times. When I watched Josh Allen run a lot of times, it's out of necessity. So wait, if you're Josh Allen and you hear this sound bite on TV, the local news wherever you are, Cam Koon, whatever, and you hear the GMC, I'm going to criticize that just take less hits. Wouldn't you be like, bro, what are you talking about? Can you give me an offensive line. Can I get a run game outside of the reason I'm running because we can't run the football? Yeah, I never see. It's just a weird criticism, cousin. And when they played a Cincinnati he didn't Josh Allen didn't run a lot in the first half. And my takeaway is they didn't want him to run at some point, you know, Kenny Pickett, they don't want him to run, But at some point Kenny Pickett's gonna want to move the chains in Pittsburgh. Yeah, you're going up against Burrow twice a year and Lamark Jackson twice a year, and you're in a dogfight and your defense isn't holding up. When I watched Josh Allen run, he's doing it out of necessity. Like when I watch when I watched Jalen Hurts run, it feels like it's generally a play to his design run. That's different. Josh is running for his life a lot, don't don't. Most of the leadership books say praise publicly, criticized private. Well, I didn't feels that's a criticism. He got a great quarterback and that's what you I felt that was a I didn't feel that was Okay, if I was Josh Allen, I wouldn't take that as a shot. I would take that as my boss is saying protect yourself. That's not really a harsh criticism. Okay, so here it is right here. So this season including the playoffs, Um, you know, he only took ninety five hits, which was eight but he does feel like it does feel very calm. Just sunk what four hundred million dollars into his new contract. He's only taking the eighth modes hits in the league. I don't know I'm out on, but I'm starting to get out on Buffalo probably a literal rational, But I don't think you and I think they go into next season as like a are they a top three team in the AFC? Cold? No, go you into next season about off season and draft to come. But they have not better than the Chiefs well, and they've got to make some moves on the roster. They're not better than the Bengals, and I you could talk yourself into Chargers, Jaguars, Ravens. I don't know about Buffalo, all right. J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line. Andy Reid's around the Corner head coach of the Chiefs. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays a New n Easter nine Am Pacific, two NBA Insiders podcasting twice a week to plug you right into the NBA Grape five all happening in only one place. This League Uncut, the new NBA podcast with Me, Chris Haynes and Me Mark Stein join us as we team up to expound on everything we're covering. Hearing and Chason. Listen to This League Uncut with Chris Haynes and Mark Stein on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Well, in the last twenty years, he's as good as any coach we've had. Twenty four years as a head coach, he got the Eagles to Super Bowl and NFC Championships on a consistent basis. He's now reached the Super Bowl and three of his last four years ten years in Kansas City, nine playoff appearances. So I look at you and I think you know, success is one thing. Sustained success is really really hard. The Warriors are doing it. Bill did it, You're doing it, and a lot of that stuff is you know Steph Curry, Brady Mahomes. I mean that obviously helps. If you were to go back to rookie Andy Reid, your first year coaching head coach, and today's Andy Reid, I would argue, what I remember, you take more risks now than you did when you were a young kid, which is not the way it works for most humans. Am I wrong on that? You You feel edgier to me today than you were when you were young. Yeah, I'm probably edgier with the football part, but not as edgy with the players. I was grumpy back then. I smile. Now, poor well Patrick can do that for you. I would say, though you have learned, I mean, why why is that? Explain why you think that is? Well, I don't know. That's a good question. We did a lot of stuff at Philly. It was a little bit out of the box. I know when I first go in, we're throwing the ball more than anybody and I got asked the question a loud why don't you run the ball more? And but uh that that seemed edgy back then, But the trick plays now or more probably a little bit more edgy, especially inside that five yard line. Yeah, you know some of the things. Some of the things we do get perceived as high risk. Yeah, well where did I said it? Um? You know, we didn't wait to call Michael Jordan the best ever, even though Bill Russell had almost twice the titles. And I said, I've never ranked guys on Super Bowls. That's part of it. But there's there's things Patrick does that Joe and Tom and Peyton just can't do the thing that oways. And maybe I'm totally wrong on this, but it was that throw to the end zone. At the front of the end zone. Patrick's ability to see something and then the balls out of his hand feels so much quicker than even other guys. I like, is he getting better at it? Am? I right? Did you notice it? I don't know what you call it, but it's that cognitive ability to see it get it out. I don't think I've ever seen anybody like it, do you? I mean, talk about that process. Yeah, it's probably a little bit like comparing fighter pilots. Some guys see a little bit better than others. They all see well, some see better than others. And Patrick's able. Uh, you know, you teach young kids you keep your eyes down the field as you move well. When Patrick moves, he naturally does that, and then he has accuracy and strength velocity on the ball at the same time, and so that that makes him a little bit different than a lot of quarterbacks. You hear the great ones saying that he's he's a great one, and that's quite a compliment to him. And now you had this whole thing in with the ankle, and yeah, stuff that he's pushing through mentally is special. Pain tolerance is a skill. Did the ankle change in any way, Andy, any of your sets, your game plan, your ideology for the game at all? Now? Not much. We kept everything basically the same. I would tell you we probably didn't move him around quite as much as we normally do, but he moved around like he normally does. So I thought, I thought he was able to push off of it and keep himself in a safe position. And that was all his mental the mental toughness part of this. I mean, he willed himself, Collin from day one after the game that he was going to play and he wanted you to keep everything in the game plan and so I will handle it like right now, as was his mentality. And he did that, by the way, on the sideline during the game. He was barking at shit. He's like, you know, he didn't want to take his cleats off, because you take your cleats off, it's over right the days and take me to that moment you're you're calling a game the national TV cameras, he's hurt, you care about him, the person he's barking at you. I mean, what was going on there? Well, I've got fifty one percent of that vote and so, uh so the barking, it was like your kids, You've got kids. I've got kids and and uh and this guy he was mindset that I'm going back in and I'm fine, and I don't need an X ray and all this. And I said, well, uh yeah, you're gonna go back in, but you're gonna get an X ray first, and and uh he didn't like that, but he did it. And uh what was coincidental was and I didn't see this till later, but he ran up the ramp to get the X ray. And that's how that's how it was mad. He wasn't how much adrenaline he had going through them. And I go, this kid, he's he is crazy, but a good crazy. You know, his parents Burrows parents, Jalen Hurt's parents. I don't know where it comes from, but they're all foxhole guys. And I always said, I want my quarterback to be a foxhole guy, and I like him to have a little jet fuel. They've been overlooked by somebody told no by somebody fallen in the draft. Must of the great quarterbacks have that? Um? And it's it's did he have all these innate abilities day one? I mean, it feels like to me, he's just getting smarter, He's made better decisions. Um. Or is this stuff you've seen it every day? Or do you feel like he's getting better? Well? I taught him everything, calling him, you know, come on there you go. Uh no, listen he uh he was spectacular at Texas Tech. Um. He could move around, he does all he did all the same stuff. He moved around, through the ball, through it hard, accurate. Um. It was just a matter of getting him a few snaps under center and used to the defenses in the National Football League. And the thing that doesn't get said about Patrick is how smart he is. He picks things up so quick. He was following one of the smartest quarterbacks I've ever coached at Alex Smith, and we didn't have to take a big step back. I mean, he just picked it up and we kept on going. And it's a real tribute to him, and then Alex teaching him how to how to study and do all those things that players can teach players. So Sean McVay admitted his first Super Bowl overprepared, and go back to your first Super Bowl and go to the one. Now, is there a little bit of a danger especially a creative offensive guy? Is there a little bit of a danger? Andy? You just have one extra play and one extra lateral and what I mean, you tell me what you go through without extra time because you're great off buys. That's your record, so you obviously know how to use the time. But now you got there's a long stretch and it's a B game. Yeah, So what we try to do calling is get everything in this week before you go to the site, which is Arizona. So we try to get the game plan put together. That way, you keep all the coaches kind of in that box that you're talking about, yeah, and that you don't get too crazy. And once you get down to Phoenix, it's it's gonna be a bit chaotic with just the different events that go on. So you get it in now, you practice it, and then you kind of freshen it up once you get once you get to the site there, Well, you were only unemployed for about fifteen minutes, if I recall. But when Philadelphia lets you go, you have every right to be angry. You have every right to hold a grudge you never have. Is it different? How different is it to face your former team in a Super Bowl? Yeah? Well, listen, it's unique. I mean I thought of all the teams in the league. I mean, here we are Yan City Chiefs versus Philadelphia Eagles. I still have a great relationship with Jeff Lurry, Howie Roseman, all the all the people there, Big Dom, the security guy. I mean three of the players were kids that were we drafted when we were there. And yeah, so I have fun memories of Philadelphia. I love, I loved all fourteen years that I was there. And so, but when you really cut to the chase on this thing, Colin, you get to a point where you just go, listen, It's it's us, our team, our players and coaches versus their team and coaches, And it doesn't matter the uniform necessarily you're you're battling in there against these guys. You want to give your players. As a coach, you want to give your players the best opportunity that you can for them to succeed. So you focus in on the game plan. That's what you do. Yeah, and then you put all the other stuff, all the emotional stuff, you kind of put over on the on the side, and uh, you can you love him up after the game? You know, you guys played with so much emotion and yet so smart. And then I watched Travis Kelsey after it, just a riot. He was all ticked off on that Burrowhead stuff and that here stuff. And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, you always pretend like it doesn't matter. I heard your players, they didn't like that at all. Did you address it during the week at all? Well, I didn't. It was kind of self addressed. I just asked him to stay off of countering in it. Let's not get into that. Um they were talking and that's okay. I mean, listen, that's that's their style, and but that's not our style. We're we're kind of play you. Let's go playing the CBS parking lot McDonald's Park, wherever you want to go. Let's go, man, and uh, you know, take off the tuxedo, put on the blue jeans and let's let's roll and that that's kind of how we how we go and so that's uh, the guys did that. Um. And then you know, Kelsban from Cincinnati, he got it off his chest, you know, I mean, he put it out there. He's part of the part of the group, you know. So Um. But the guys I thought did a good job of just going out and playing and playing good heart football. By the way, I thought Spags had his best defensive game plan. I think that's the most underdiscussed part of this. Cincinnati didn't have long drives. That had an eight played drive in the second half and that was about it. I thought it was did you know it was going to be that successful? Well, the players calling, we're talking about it early in the week on how much they liked it and they couldn't wait to execute it. And that's always a good sign. And so Spags and his staff did did a great job with that and that I thought that, you know, all the defensive guys just played their hearts out. Chris Jones was believable. Oh, unbelievable. So it's a tribute to all of them, pull them, pull them together, and and all those young kids and making it happen. It was a beautiful thing there. Andy Reid uh an all timer. He's so kind to come on our show. He's a busy guy. He takes out here a little time on a Tuesday, and we appreciate it. You know what lunch is on me today? Wan't you put it on my tab and send it to me. We'll take care. How's that. I'd just be coming well if I can get it. If I get a Timmy Burger right now, if you can FedEx me one, that would be great. Andy. It's great seeing you all right, Colin, thank you all right, Andy Reid. Isn't that funny that the defensive game plan like the guys were locked in during the week. They're like that works. I thought Burrow very rarely. That was Joe Burrows low US passer rating since week one. He was hurt. So it was essentially one of the few times this year Joe Burrow struggled and they were without the linebacker Willie Gay and Snead was injured, and it's like if they get them back for the Super Bowl. Maybe this is a good Chiefs defense. We know the Eagles defense is good. I'm thinking under maybe in the super Bowl. Under fifty. I believe it is a total. Yeah, it's um. Well, neither quarterbacks and Jalen Hurts is way more injured than I think people understand. Like that. That's he did not have any touch and he usually does all right, hour or two next