The Herd with Colin Cowherd3-time Super Bowl Champion and Chiefs head coach Andy Reid joins the show to talk about becoming the first team in 2 decades to win back-to-back Super Bowls
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Here we go. It's our two to Thursday. Why Ben, Los Angeles, It's The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for Megan as part of your day. I'm going to Chicago, jma's favorite city. Cannot wait landing there tonight, stand up, all night party, big fun weekend friends. How are you gonna?
Are you gonna wear your keV Laura packet?
Got just kidding?
That's a joke.
Chicago, settle down, Come on, this is a joke.
Come on let me You know they don't have the sense of humor we do here out left coast.
Can you tell An that was a joke? I don't either.
Getting in love Chicago?
So he like Chicago more than La.
Yeah, not close. It's like it's like America's most European city. Great architecture, great people, great food. It's great city.
If you have your if remember how you had your birthday out here in January? Like Chip Kelly there, Jason McIntyre. Are they who's showing up in Chicago for you?
You know? Not Bears fans. I can tell you that. So we just got news of this. I guess it's been out there a while. So I don't have a problem admitting that I grew up. I love Evil Knieval. I like their devils of years ago in Chicago there was some guy doing a tight rope walk in between parking garages or something. I dropped all my plans. I may have been getting married that night. I didn't care. I was watching it. So Mike Tyson is gonna fight Jake Paul. Now is Jake Paul the good Paul? There's two Jake's the good one, and then there's another Paul, not Chris Paul. There's his brother that's not as good a fighter, Logan Paul. I thought Logan was better than Jake. Or is Jake better than Logan? I thought Logan was the better.
Characters on the Internet.
I mean, so, do you think it's a fight you would watch?
Because ty to be careful what I say. Those guys are have rabbit years big time. I don't need them coming after me.
But I always like Tyson. So Tyson fought Roy Jones Junior. It was a charade, It was embarrassing, it didn't make It was just ridiculous, and it was totally rip off for money. And Tyson's fifty seven years old. But I've always had this belief. George Foreman proved it. Kobe and his last game proved it. Great players drew bledsoe could grab a football right now and throw an unbelievable ball. He can't deal with the grind of an NFL season getting hit. But the great Michael Jordan condunk now, and he's like heavy and fifty whatever he is, fifty five. It doesn't matter, guys. I saw Vince Carter the other day in a suit and tie and he's dunking the ball. It doesn't matter. Great players retain the greatness, they just don't have the ability to do it over a long period of time. And my take is, you don't want to get punched by Mike Tyson. Now. He may not be able to go seven rounds, but if you're talking velocity of a punch if he trains for like three weeks hard. You don't want to face Mike Tyson. Now you're not gonna train for three and a half months, six months. But if you said, Mike, you got to really for the next three weeks, eat right, training heavy, intense, show up and fight. He's gonna be able to go three rounds. And you don't want to get hit by Mike Tyson. Yikes. Andy Reids around the corner. He's still in a meeting. He'll come out here pretty soon. Mark Sanchez also bottom of the hour. The other thing we were talking about is so the NFL is gonna go to eighteen games, and I'm gonna ask Andy about this, meaning I believe the NFLPA would say, you got to reduce the exhibition season to two games, which nobody watches it. Anyway, it's awful you charge season ticket holders to go to these ridiculous games that nobody goes to and no starters play. I think that's totally unfair to fans. So I think here's what I like about it. You'll eliminate more of the preseason, which Sean McVay love him to death, ruin the preseason because he said I'm not going to start any players. I'm not going to play any guys in the preseason who are good players. No Cooper Cup, you know, no Golf, No, No Aaron Donald, no Jalen Ramsey. I I'm not going to play any of them. And everybody was like, oh, I wouldn't do that. They will not be ready for the callouses of the NFL. They went eight to no and now all the young coaches like Robinhood, they follow him and they don't want to play any of their starters. So I love the fact that the NFL will reduce the preseason more. And I also love the fact that it will extend the NFL season because I was saying this, if we had an eighteen game NFL season and you would add a bye to it, two week extension of the season, we would literally do the Super Bowl, talk about it for a week, take a vacation, come back, and we'd have like eighteen games left in the NBA regular season. Well, let's be honest, if you really watch the NBA with about twenty games left in the regular season, teams play hard. Like I've been watching NBA two games a night here for about six, seven, eight days. These games are good teams are into it, diving on the floor, defending big fourth quarter rallies. So I you know, if part of me thought it was, you know, kind of selfish when the NFL went to seventeen games. But here's the other thing. Everybody always freaked out about Thursday games. And in my perfect world, you'd eliminate Thursday games. I don't want to be stuck home on a Thursday because I watch football all day Saturday, all day Sunday Monday night. I don't need another day, say honey, I have to sit home and watch it. You know, I'm trying to be you know, a good husband, right, a good dad. So I would love if it's just Saturday, Sunday, Monday. You know the Okay, maybe you could have two or three Thursday games. You kick the season off around Thanksgiving. That's the But you know, my takeaway is there's a lot of benefits to this eighteen games. I do think veteran coaches, I think all coaches will rest some of their older starters, more practices off, they'll pull them out. You'll have a second by they'll probably bake in a third game, they don't play them all. Right, This just came out from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. That sounds like a paper that breaks stories. The Steelers are interested are rumors this week they weren't. This is from a legitimate source. The Steelers are interested in signing Russell Wilson and how tentatively planning to meet with the former Bronco quarterback before the start of free agency. Per sources, Wilson has interest joining the Steelers. The story in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette forthcoming. This is the place that makes sense. I think about Pittsburgh completely different with their current quarterbacks and then with Russ. With Russ, they're a playoff team. They don't need defensive personnel. They don't need a culture creator. That's not what Russ does. They don't need running back, wide receiver, tight end talent. What they need is experience, efficiency and maturity. And Russell brings that he is committed to football. He may not connect with everybody in every locker room. I get that, but this one makes sense. You cannot face Burrow twice a year, Lamar Jackson, Kevin Stefanski, and Deshaun Watson, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, you got CJ. Stroud looks like a star and an any. Richardson, according to a story this morning, is crushing it for the Colts in his rehab and development. You can't do it with what you currently have. So Russell's interested, and the Steelers, according to sources, are interested. This makes a lot of sense to me. You've got too many great coaches, too many great cultures, and too many great quarterbacks in the AFC. You can't do it with backups and bottom tier guy. You couldn't get to the playoffs. I mean, the Packers this year were kind of experimenting with Jordan Love. They made the playoffs and won a game. I mean, the Rams were rebuilding this year. They made the playoffs. The Seahawks last year Geno Smith made the playoffs. You can do that in the NFC. You can't do that in the AFC. It doesn't work that way. So that's kind of something that's kind of I think this is the one that fits. I think it would completely. And by the way, because Russell isn't gonna take much money, you don't have to get rid of to TJ. Watt, you don't have to move off nausee Harris. You don't have to move off, Minka Fitzpatrick. Otherwise, if you brought in Russ's usual contract, you'd have to scale back.
Now you don't, so you would take Russ over fields in pittswell.
Field is not a defined, refined quarterback yet. He could be with the right coach, but he's still figuring out how to play. Russ knows how to play. He's not his prime, but that's a big ben one a lot of.
Games and knows how to play. Why did Seattle move off? Why did Denver move off? You used the phrase declining asset this weekend, okay.
To decline, But in Denver he was asked pre Sean Payton to build a culture around him. Pittsburgh's got their culture. In Seattle. You know, say what you want about Pete Carroll, But Pete Carroll post Russ, he got fired.
He got to the playoffs too with Gino Smith.
And then got fired Russell.
So Russ's culture is I don't want my teammates to have my phone number. I don't want them to know where I live. There's a lot of weird stuff behind the scenes with him. I don't understand it, but it would be like, if you know, we worked together closely and you wanted to tell me something, you didn't come and tell me, you like, had somebody bring me a note, Just tell me what you want to say. Like that's the kind of crap he was doing. And I'm sure Mark Schlereth and other people have reported this, but it's like that doesn't go over well. It's like, bro, just come and talk to me. We're men, you know, Like you don't want me to have your phone number. We work closely. Imagine if I didn't know like your phone number or where you live or any of that, Like that would be a little awkward, right, Like that's not being part of the culture and part of a team. And I don't know how that's gonna go over in Pittsburgh. And I hope I don't get in trouble for what I just said. But I like Russell Wilson. I'm a fan of his work. But some of the stuff I can't explain it. Somebody said said a couple of years ago, he lost like a meant a life coach he had like a mental health coach, and that kind of he struggled coming out of that. And I get it, like everybody has struggles, but I'm rooting for us. I just I don't Pittsburgh's a strong culture. It's a tough city. Man that that defense they're not going to deal with some you know, Prima Donna passed his prime guy coming in and trying to tell him what to do and how it works.
Like it's fair comments.
It's just a tough It feels like a tough fit.
But you might be onto something. Andy Reid around the corner.
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I have football coaches in the history of the National Football League that have won three Super Bowls, Belichick, Noel Walsh, Joe Gibbs, and Andy Reid. It's the off season as they prepare now for free agency and the draft, and he just chalked up another Super Bowl. In my opinion, Bill Walsh and Andy Reid are the most creative offensive coaches in the history of the sport. And Andy's joining us now from Kansas City.
How are you calling?
I'm doing great. Great to see us. So a couple of times you've sent me plays you've designed little You won't tell me when you're using them, but you'll give me those play designs. And I've said there's something about your method. You're a mentor. It's why so many of your assistants go on to succeed. And do you still I mean with Patrick Mahomes, do you do you say, Hey, I got a great idea. I stole this off YouTube from a nineteen fifty Rose Bowl. Do you go to Patrick first? Where does this stuff come from in your head? Because I know what you do in the off season. That's why your record in September, you got all these card tricks. Where does that stuff come from?
Yeah, well I've some of them, We think of some of them. We can't borrow from from. It doesn't matter where right, I'll take it from anybody. So it can be pop word football team. If it looks good, we'll try it. So then I've got I've got listen, I've got great coaches and creative guys. I've got these young guys that have great minds, and so they put things together. They know they've got.
The full form to draw from and let's try it.
Who says it's And then Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey. Ever, these guys on the offensive side, they'll donate a play here or there. They've got great minds, so they and all in all, everybody gets a little piece of the pie. It feels pretty good about it, and we try to go out and execute it at mock speed.
You know, Andy, you have not fallen for this. I don't need to name the coaches, but there are some. When they get power in their organization, they want to control personnel, and in my opinion, it's hard enough to be a great coach and a great GM separately. Those are two jobs. You have arguably the best draft GM in the league in Brett Veach and really sharp guy. He's hit on multiple mid and late round picks. You don't appear to be somebody that needs either for ego gratification or whatever it is. You don't have to call the shots. But has there ever been a time when you've gone to Brett and said, Hey, I like this guy? Or do you just let Brett say hey?
You know?
Because Parcells had the great line, if I'm making dinner, I get to buy the groceries. I get it. But how does that thing with you and Brett work if you love a college player.
So Brett was my administrative assistant out of college, and then he's worked his way up through So I've got like the ultimate trust in the guy.
I don't need to say anything to him.
However, he brings myself and the coaching staff everything he's he's he wants to know our opinion and so, and then he also takes obviously the opinion of his guys, and he blends this thing in and then he makes the decision on it. I'm sure if I went to him and said, hey, listen, I can't stand this guy.
But he knows.
He knows after all these years, he knows what we try to do offensively and defensively, and.
And the kind of guys that we like here.
So I've never had that or needed to have that conversation with him.
I got to this guy or this is my you know, I don't like your guy. We don't ever go there.
So there was a point during the regular season Jason and I would say this on the air. I'd say, I trust Andy, you'll figure it out, but I don't love what I'm seeing with this receiving court. I said this multiple times. I'm like, you know, if Burrow was healthy, I don't know if I'd take Kansas City. But you figured it out over time where she Rice elevated, there was more consistency. But was there a time last season week six, week nine, Week twelve that you sat down and thought, I don't know if we got the firepower here. I don't know. I don't know if I can get this right. Because I felt about Thanksgiving, I'm like, it still doesn't look right to me.
That's because you were letting Jason influence you, man.
I mean, come on, after this conversation, he's gonna put some red on and jump on the bandwagon. So this is the one thing that I knew, Colin is it's so important. You're a quarterback. You know this, That sweet zone for you is inside those numbers. And so and we've got one of the best that's ever done it with Kelts. Kelsy has always had Sundance next to them, right, So with the Butch Cassidy Sundance analogy here, he's always had that guy to work with him and that that's so important for working inside those numbers. It's a happy zone for the quarterbacks. And then you've got to get two guys that can play out. We had Sammy here, We've had Juju here, Pringle Pringle jumped in. They all do kind of. They know how to play in zones, they know how to get off man coverage, they know how to play in that tight area there, and that becomes so important for Kelsey's. People were going Kelsey's over the hill. Well, no, we just needed Rashid to keep growing and he was so willing to do that and Patrick was so willing to work with him and never got frustrated.
With him or anything else, and it worked out. So we all had.
Oh, we just needed to keep growing. And we saw it the year before with our defense. Our secondary were a bunch of young guys and they just kept getting better and better.
By the time we got to the playoffs, they were rolling.
You know you when you and Travis Kelsey had that thing at the Super Bowl. My take was Andy's different. He has a different relationship these these coaches, some are young, some are old. Shanahan McVeigh may have a different relationship with players than a Belichick Rashaan Payton. And my take is hey coaches bark at players. Sometimes a player in the heat of a game. I always defended Peyton Manning. If he barked at Jeff Saturday, I'm like, guys, Or if Brady barked at Josh McDaniels, I'm like, guys, it's three hours, it's it's it's the You work all week for these moments. Did you think it was overblown by us the media? Yeah?
Yeah, I just listen. I didn't see him coming. I would have forearm ripped him. But I mean, you know, he got me.
Listen.
I I love his passion and I'm gonna tell you, he just goes fire me up. He's always telling me, fire me up. And and so I'm hard on him. He's like one of my kids. I mean, I try to stay on top of him and make sure that he's right because he's our personality of our team. As great as a leader as Patrick is. Everybody follows Kelse when he's fired up. Everybody follows along in that and so and listen, do things get a little crazy, Yeah, they get a little crazy, But that's why it's the job so great.
His job's great, My job's great.
We're not getting put in the back of the police car for arguing with each other.
That's not what's happened.
You got to give me a little secret here to the audience. When's the last time you have the world's best quarterback. When's the last time you had to bark at a meeting to Mahomes or you had to bark at him at practice? Come on, Patrick, get it right? Or if you move past that, I think you bark at him. I think that's your personality, and I think that's how you keep standards high at any business. When's your last argument with Mahomes?
Yeah, it's hard.
It's hard to argue with the guy that comes into the huddle every day and goes, let's be great and means it.
And so I don't have to bark at him a whole lot.
He's a one driven dude, and and uh, that's that's important for a lot of reasons. But at the same time, if I get on him just a tick, and I know I can get on anybody, uh in that locker room and including myself, and they all know that I I'm hard on myself. I'm gonna try to give him my best every day and all I ask is that in return.
So, but Pat, you don't have to say much to Pat.
He he honestly wants to work and wants you to give him things, which makes it great. Want you to give him things to make him even greater than he is today.
He wants something for tomorrow.
Yeah, I would make you the favorite next year. I've said this. I thought this was the year to get Andy Reid and Mahomes. This was the year your receiving corps was developing. You know, I looked at Baltimore playing great. You weren't going to have home field advantage all the way through. I thought, this is the year and you'll won. So now you've got to convince your players you should be better next year. Guys, they're coming for us. Do you worry at all about there's a reason nobody three peats. The Steelers didn't three peat when the league didn't have all this mobility. Is there a little How do you light the fire for clearly the best team in the league.
Yeah, I don't worry about the three peat and all of that. That's not where I'm at. I mean, our guys might think about or whoever, That's not how I think I think about it.
Very simply of make sure that you're ready to go. Well, we get to Saint Joe, that's training camp. Nothing's going to change there. We're going to go through the process.
It's not necessarily easy, but it'll build a foundation and and then let's work after that get ourselves ready for the game. There's so much energy that goes into each game. You hear coaches say one game at a time.
Well, that's I'm a big believer in that. So but you have to do it. I'm not talking about it. I want to. I want to do it.
And that's Uh, that's the important thing. I think when you do all this, and then as long as you can stay relatively healthy and and cat. You know, the ball's shaped a little weird, so as long as you can catch the bounce here there the right way, you have a chance. We've got we've got good players, and Brett's always going to present the coaching.
Staff with good players, So.
Go coach them and let's let's take their talents and maximize them and we'll work on those things that maybe they're not quite as good at and try to get them better there and and let's roll.
Let's see what we can do.
Andy, you look good. You're wearing that a little not up pullover now a little chili for a Hawaiian shirt. Well chili there in Kansas City.
Yeah, we're having a storm here, so it's real chili.
Great Senior, say hi to all the guys in the front office. Congratulations. Ten appearances in the playoffs in eleven years, eight straight division titles. One of these days I'm going to make it to the combine. You're one of the last coaches that goes great seeing you.
The store is always open for you can come back here anytime. Man, We're gonna get your away from the beach.
But that's a right.
I like the beach.
Andy Reid, all right, let's see, all right, Andy Reid, Mark Sanchez coming up in a second.
I would say this eight straight, eight straight division titles like it is the safest bet in sports. Safest bet in sports. Chiefs win their division. If I said, give me the three safest bets in the NFL. Next year, Chiefs win the division, Bills win the division. You don't think they've won five, four or five straight.
They barely won the division this year. They had a storm.
Back to Kansas City. Winning the division is the safest bet in the NFL. What's the second safest bet? Don't tell me San Francisco winning their division. No way, don't tell Rams have eleven draft picks, a more talented quarterback and the elite head coach and more draft capital. That's not a guarant that's a bad guarantee.
Shanahan totally owning McVeigh.
How about this, How about this guarantee? No, I can't do that either. I was going to say, Raiders fourth.
And Lawrence bounce back and they win the division.
That's guarantee.
That's some guarantees in life, except for what death and taxes or something like that.
The guarante, the top guarantee is Kansas City. You could just say this Chiefs will make the playoffs. That's a guarantee. No, probably best coach, best quarterback coming into the division, That's what I'm saying. I think they'll challenge them, but that roster has like four holes.
Keep an eye on the bow. Nick Sean Payton revival in Denver, let's.
Bring him on. Mark Sanchez, sitting patiently in the studio Fox Sports analyst is joining us here on a Thursday. Ten years in the NFL. Yeah, yeah, yeah, another time, So good see hold on, you know so you.
So we have an optimism.
I like that my optimism meter.
I'm optimistic that j Max is gonna wear something else more.
You don't like his shirt. If you put a disco ball in a blackjack table, he'd be perfect.
Look at that guy, Look at that time gone. Look at how gritty you were in the turn My prime coach.
And your prime. So this is the time that we pick apart, oh everybody. So I try to be positive, but I do think I will say the Caleb Williams stuff. There have been Ryan Leef said something, Lance Zerline said something, and I thought they were fair. Is that in this sport? And Mahomes had a little bit of this early, and so did Lamar. They leaned into the spectacular because it worked in high school and college. You played with NFL guys at USC. You know, Patrick didn't necessarily right, so not quite the time. Patrick had to make plays. And then you get to the NFL and you can do some of it, and all of a sudden, the defensive end runs of four or five eight, and you're like, this ain't great. So is the criticism of he tends to not take the layups, he leans into the spectacular. Is that fair?
Do well?
I think you just have to measure that and this, this whole process.
Is a flawed process.
It's not totally fair to think, you know this kid after a fifteen minute interview and watching him run another offense with another coach and trying to compare, you know, this guy won this many games against ranked opponents. This guy didn't. This guy has this many fourth quarter comebacks, this guy doesn't. I mean, it's all just at the end of the day, are you comfortable with him? Do you want him in your locker room? Is he gonna make the teammates around him better? Can he get the job done? Can he execute what you're asking him to do? And when you watch Caleb, you see some of the most spectacular and people use the word awesome way too much, but awesome, electrifying plays I've ever seen any quarterback make at any level.
It is unbelievable to.
Play against Arizona. May have been the best play I sounded individual make this shu.
I mean, he has won at least almost every game, if not multiple. And then there's a couple where you're like, ah, we got to pull that back. We got to somehow find a way to control that impulse. Shout out Larry David, curb your enthusiasm. Let's just get on with the game. And my analogy is Clark Kent versus Superman, petty theft and traffic violations. You know what Clark Kent does. He keeps his same boring outfit on the button down and khakis and the rim glasses and just keeps on going with his life, checking the ball down, getting rid of it, taking the sack. You're up twenty one against Colorado. Not forcing the ball on third and six, you're running them out of the gym. Dude, get on with your life.
They got you.
Yeah, it's okay, it's okay, say uncle, move on now. If the biggest building in Metropolis is falling over and there's a meteor about to hit Metropolis, put the cap on.
Yeah, go get in the phone booth and bring out the cape, and let's do this. Do your deal.
And you're gonna know that. You know why because the coaches know that, the players know that. Everybody in the stadium and everybody watching it on TV knows that. So when it's time to take out the cape, take it out.
Be you.
But you can't wear it all the time because it gets raggedy. And when you do it too much, like a little bit. This year, I think he's gotten a little loose with the football, a little loose with mechanics, trying to do too much. Yeah, I mean listen, spoiler alert, Superman dies. These defensive coaches are coming up with your kryptonite for six days, trying to ruin your life on Sunday. That's their job. So I have two plays picked out for you. We'll beat him up first, and then we'll bring him back to life and praise him after that.
Okay, once had a boss that was.
Well, it's like therapy, Colin, you're.
A lot of work. I put my arm around you and kick you in the butt at the same time. So let's start exactly right, uplifting people.
No, no, no, no other way around. You break him down and then.
Break him down.
Yeah therapy.
Okay, So this is going to be a negative play and you can start rolling the clip. I think he gets fold at the snap. He thinks there's going to be pressure at the top of the screen. Go ahead and roll it. You see the two stacked defenders a lot of times.
That'll tell you pressure. It's a bad disguise.
In my opinion by Colorado but he's gonna try and work this slamt round because he thinks maybe there's pressure up top. You'll see at the bottom of the screen. He's got an easy completion to Taj Washington, but he decides to go up top. Okay, he picks the wrong side. No problem, the play's not over. We can still salvage this thing. There is a throw here to the half back before this guy gets to you and tries to rip your face off as d lineman. That comes through porous protection. But he decides to move and get back to the other side. And now he's going to extend the play. Okay, we're entering danger zone now. As this play gets longer, I need you to get smarter. You see his vision. It's gonna get smaller and smaller as you go to the sideline. He's got to throw away option right here in Washington right there. Just throw it at his feet, throw it high and away a ball only he can catch. This is third and six. You're up twenty one points on the road. But look at this vision. It's getting smaller and smaller. And this I don't ever, ever, ever want to see this again. Caleb Williams at the next level. This hit, you're out of the game, You're out for the season. The whole staff gets fired, and he throws an interception into a herd of buffaloes.
So really one of the bunch of things you've ever done on this show.
I'm just tony.
This is some hard, hard coaching because I've done this. I saw Patrick Mahomes do this in the Super Bowl a couple months.
Ago or whatever. A couple of weeks ago.
He threw a horrible interception, one of the worst plays I've seen him have all year. He's had some bad plays. The pick six against the Raiders on Christmas Day horrible. I mean, as a tough quarterback critique, you're like, dude, this stuff makes me want a puke.
What are you doing? But watch what else this kid can do?
Okay, and it will blow your mind. Wait till you see some of the stills on this Okay, go it's drop eight coverage. He recognizes it right away, so when he's processing the right way, when he sees it and knows it and feels it, Dude, this kid is deadly, just like Mahomes, just like the great players that we've seen play quarterback. He's going to start to the left. They got two on two. They got his concept covered. Okay, no big deal, it's drop eight. Don't forget. He's got plenty of time in the pocket. You can take a breath versus drop eight because there's only three guys rushing. But he goes back to the other side full field read. I like to see that as a college or as a pro scout. Nope, no good, I'm gonna extend this play. A lot of guys just get behind this left tackle or left guard here and start running with the football. But this guy's gonna extend it a little more, just like he did the last play. But this time he's gonna.
Make a great decision. He feels that defensive guy triggered. Look at that silhouette.
What does that look like?
It looks like air Jordan, looks like the Jordan logo. That throw, the way.
He can contort his body, the elasticity he has in his torso and arm. Talent, I mean, he's got talent dripping out of his ears. But to make this throw, it looks like Derek Jeter filding a ground ball going towards third base, slamming on the brakes, jumping up and gunning a guy out at first base. I mean it is unbelievable. No, no, you can't teach that. No coach can teach him to do that. So, now, what's the magic with this kid?
What do you do?
Well?
What's the situation? What's the offense he was running? What were they asking him to do? How does he fit in our building? How are we gonna develop him? How am I gonna get him to understand the impulse control and when it's time to be Superman? And if you can do that, just like they've done with Patrick Mahomes, because he made some of the same unbelievable plays, unbelievably good and unbelievably bad plays.
In college, can you do that? Well? What did Patrick have?
And I've said it on the show, he had Andy Reid a system that language hasn't changed in six years, his whole time, seven years because he sat out of here watching one of the best pros of all time with their preparation, with the way they see the field, like Alex Smith, I guarantee you can go into every room on your offense and teach plays. Teach the offense, install the offense to lineman, receivers, tight ends, running back to everybody. Can Caleb do that?
Well?
It sounds like he did pretty well in some of those interviews. Some of the people I'm talking to are.
Like, he's a sharp dude, he is. Now, do you get how much do you get into the Oh you know.
I hear people critique him. Oh he's crying like a baby with his mom after the game. Okay, Jason Kelsey's one of the best players we've seen in a while. I mean, the guy's balling like a little baby on TV after because this is his whole life. I mean, of course he's got a family and kids now, so it's different. Yeah, But I mean I played with the guys his locker mate at Philly. I mean, that's a dedicated, sold out guy. Man, he's in it to win it for the squad down. Well, okay, so he cries, he cares that much. I don't care about that.
Yeah.
Uh, you know, the the fingernails stuff. I mean, people dive so deep into some of this. Yeah, could he show up to your game, you know, on a Sunday at one o'clock in a pink suit, yellow shoes, blue blue fingernails. Maybe, I don't know, But is he gonna go ball out. Is he going to make the right decision on third and six up twenty one? Well, you know a lot of coaches, a lot of teams, they're fine with that because production breeds tolerance. If you're really good, I don't treat everybody equally. I'll treat you fairly. Good coaches understand that the bus leaves it too, unless you're Dureaux Reevens.
That's one of my favorite quotes of all time.
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Sanchez, as he often does, crushing it today with unbelievable video breakdowns. I apologize to the radio audience, but sometimes you just can't throw your bone. Sanchez is too good with this video stuff, all right. A guy that's getting crapped on it's driving Jmac nuts. It's like they're related or something. Drake May's getting clobbered by everybody, and I'm not gonna give it away, I said during the break and Veggie's tally moves and you had to very interesting comp.
I was like, well, and these comps are so unfair in some ways to the player because you immediately expect, Okay, well he's gonna have as good of a career or better than that guy.
When you're really trying to evaluate.
These players as are they like a legitimate starter in this league, an average to above average starter.
In this league. Anything else will take it.
But to get there, like can I make this guy that or does he have the tools to get me there? And can we put pieces around him? And can he develop into something else? But when I watched Drake May, that's a big tall, strong, sturdy dude. Man, I said, Drew Bledsoe, and that guy was like true yeah, and tough and great release and could sling it all over the yard, took hits, got right back up. I mean, he's a heck of a player. And when you see this Drake may Kit, You're like, dang, I can work with that, you.
Know what I mean. You see like this big ball of clay and like, I'm gonna mold this thing up everything.
I want assistance.
Yeah, I think there's you got it. Just like with Caleb, Just like with any of these guys, you're gonna find flaws. Is it injuries?
You know?
Are we talking Michael Pennix? Oh what if he gets hurt again? You know you'll lose your job. If you pass on Caleb and he becomes Patrick Mahomes, you're fired. Well yeah, if you miss on any of these guys, you're probably fired. So that's the way it goes. But you want to see I want to see him in a dirty pocket. I want to see him with guys with trash around his feet, you know what I mean. I want to see him extend to play. I want to see him launch one out of the building.
Like that.
God that, I mean, scouts and coaches just drool over stuff like that. I want to see him roll and chuck a ball up for grabs. Let me see what that looks like. I mean, this guy's got post snappability. You can tell like, Okay, either played basketball or baseball. This dude's an athlete. He can make some plays for me, but he's more of a pocket guy.
You look at a guy like Jayden Daniels, You're gonna get the extended plays, You're gonna get the wild plays on you know, the sideline. I think he takes some big shots. Now my man has gotten pummeled a couple times, and you're just like, ooh, you can't.
Lie like that in this league. Ask anybody, Ask any quarterback. You just can't last like that. So you know, they all have something that you want. All of them can make it happen. It's just where are you going? What's your situation?
I want to ask you about somebody in the league. He doesn't lean into the spectacular. He wears his religion honestly, family guy golf shirts. Not cool. Kirk Cousins, I've always said, is dak without the Jordan brand and the star in the helmet. The numbers are virtually identical. He's out there potentially you know, the coach in Minnesota. What do you make as a former pro quarterback, what do you make of Kirk?
Well?
Number one, love his game, ton of respect for the guy. I think he's he's truly his authentic self. And that's kind of what you're trying to get at with all these interviews with these young kids. Anyway, I think being authentic is it disingenuous? Like who is this guy? Kirk's exactly who he is. He knows exactly who he is and owns that love that thirty six year old guy coming off of Achilles. You know, I'm sure the organization it makes sense for them to bring them, bring them back, and it makes sense for him to not jump ship because you got everything there. You might potentially want to take a pay cut though, so they could pay some of those other guys.
Maybe I don't know, but you're looking at a guy who's I.
Think before before it injury, he was on five.
Yeah, but check these numbers. I think like career, before he got to Minnesota or before O'Connell started with him, he was like seventy six and sixty seven. So like eleven games over five hundred. Yeah, he's eleven games over five hundred right now, already.
Seventeen to eight offensive coach.
Yeah, and he's missed a little time.
But I mean, okay, he's made some clutch plays, man, and that's it.
That's a heck of a system.
That's you know what I mean, Like I'm thinking at that age, you know, the Tom Brady model of Yeah, save a couple bucks for these guys. I need, uh, I want a really good pass rush. I want a really good corner on our defense. I want you know, we need a couple of things. I need some playmakers. Yeah, we got to figure out a way for Justin Jefferson to stick around. So they got you know, just like every team, they got issues to figure out.
Yeah, Kevin O'Connell of Vikings is the best coach in the NFL that nobody is yet putting in the best coach group, you know, I mean it takes a while. You got to have you gotta win games to go to the playoffs. I think I said this about Stefanski three years ago. I'd watch Cleveland. I'm like, that is a really good football coach.
It's really no.
You know.
It was like he was coaching to win, that he would shut his offense down and Cleveland fans would go, he's conservative, and I'm like, no, they lead by eight. Yeah, there's four lefts.
You you know, Kevin, I do I do really well? Super bright, right, incredibly bright. We knew he was going to coach way back when. I mean, you just know, like guys like Derek Fish here, Fisher, you know they're going to coach.
Got certain players you play with, You're just.
Like, oh, yeah, that's automatic. Now how far you want to take it? You want to be a coordinator, you want to be a headman. Boom, he can do it all.
You bark it guys.
Oh yeah, he's got He's got plenty of juice. For all that, his looks don't totally give away his whole personality.
Like he seems like a nice guy.
He seems like a super nice guy. But I mean, I want my coach to be too. But don't but don't you know, don't uh execute my play poorly? You know what I mean? Like, get the job.
Done, dude, what are we doing here? We're not just hanging out for our health. We're trying to win games, right, you know what I mean. So he's uh, he's got plenty of juice for that.
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