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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher on Fox Sports Radio.

This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher on Fox Sports Radio.

Hello, and welcome to the Herd.

Hello, and welcome to the Herd.

It's a beautiful Tuesday in the sports world. The Florida Gators are national champions. Oh yeah, gotta love it. It's me Jason McIntyre in for Colin Coward. I'm joined today by with Alex Curry. Alex, how are you no Dodger Blue today?

It's a beautiful Tuesday in the sports world. The Florida Gators are national champions. Oh yeah, gotta love it. It's me Jason McIntyre in for Colin Coward. I'm joined today by with Alex Curry. Alex, how are you no Dodger Blue today?

We gotta we gotta mix it up a bit. But did you pick Florida? I get you do.

We gotta we gotta mix it up a bit. But did you pick Florida? I get you do.

I'm like, did we talk about that yesterday?

I'm like, did we talk about that yesterday?

You know we're talking. You kind of just talked.

You know we're talking. You kind of just talked.

About how sad you were about Duke, So I'm like, I don't even know.

About how sad you were about Duke, So I'm like, I don't even know.

If we actually talked about who you were taking. I had Florida. I think I mentioned it briefly guided into the game, but it was a bit of a thriller.

If we actually talked about who you were taking. I had Florida. I think I mentioned it briefly guided into the game, but it was a bit of a thriller.

He got to love when it comes down to the last minute of the game, that's all you can hope for in like a championship final game.

He got to love when it comes down to the last minute of the game, that's all you can hope for in like a championship final game.

So good job.

So good job.

That was great. We got a big show ahead.

That was great. We got a big show ahead.

Former NBA center Ryan Hollins on the show, joining us in the studio.

Former NBA center Ryan Hollins on the show, joining us in the studio.

NFL running back Aaron Jones in the house.

NFL running back Aaron Jones in the house.

I'm very excited to talk to a guy who's played with Aaron Rodgers.

I'm very excited to talk to a guy who's played with Aaron Rodgers.

What does he know about JJ McCarthy.

What does he know about JJ McCarthy.

We'll do some NFL draft stuff, but obviously, folks, we have to start with the Florida Houston thriller in the National Championship last night.

We'll do some NFL draft stuff, but obviously, folks, we have to start with the Florida Houston thriller in the National Championship last night.

I mean, what a game. It went from bad to oh, this is gross. The refs are.

I mean, what a game. It went from bad to oh, this is gross. The refs are.

Ruining in to Holy Cow. Would have come back by Florida And folks, I'm sure you've heard about the great best selling book Grit Right The Passion and Perseverance in Life, And essentially one of the big takeaways from the book is those who are going to succeed in life, One of the great predictors of success is do you have grit? Are you just throwing in the towel at the first sign of a problem. Are you bailing or are you gonna figure out how to solve the problem and get through it. And this season in college basketball, we saw the Florida Gators lose three really close games. They were excellent all season, only lost four games. One was a blowout, but three close ones. And what happened in the NCAA Tournament comebacks in the second half four times by the Gators, the Cardiac Gators. They came back when they were trailing yukon Texas Tech, they were down ten Auburn on Saturday, they were down nine in the second half, and then last night down twelve against Houston. I'm told by all the guys who cover college basketball all season, you can't come back against Houston. The defense is just too tough. Florida said, hold my beer please, and the Gators stormed back with a thrilling final minute. Folks, look at these comebacks that they've had all the tournament, and the game against Houston last night was just the perfect capper.

Ruining in to Holy Cow. Would have come back by Florida And folks, I'm sure you've heard about the great best selling book Grit Right The Passion and Perseverance in Life, And essentially one of the big takeaways from the book is those who are going to succeed in life, One of the great predictors of success is do you have grit? Are you just throwing in the towel at the first sign of a problem. Are you bailing or are you gonna figure out how to solve the problem and get through it. And this season in college basketball, we saw the Florida Gators lose three really close games. They were excellent all season, only lost four games. One was a blowout, but three close ones. And what happened in the NCAA Tournament comebacks in the second half four times by the Gators, the Cardiac Gators. They came back when they were trailing yukon Texas Tech, they were down ten Auburn on Saturday, they were down nine in the second half, and then last night down twelve against Houston. I'm told by all the guys who cover college basketball all season, you can't come back against Houston. The defense is just too tough. Florida said, hold my beer please, and the Gators stormed back with a thrilling final minute. Folks, look at these comebacks that they've had all the tournament, and the game against Houston last night was just the perfect capper.

Houston had three possessions in.

Houston had three possessions in.

The final minute, they didn't get a shot off.

The final minute, they didn't get a shot off.

And they turned the ball over three times. That, my friends, was incredible.

And they turned the ball over three times. That, my friends, was incredible.

And how about the grit displayed by the great Walter Clayton.

And how about the grit displayed by the great Walter Clayton.

Now he's a divisive figure in NBA circles.

Now he's a divisive figure in NBA circles.

What's he gonna be?

What's he gonna be?

You know you got to pun it at ESPN saying you got to take him third in the draft.

You know you got to pun it at ESPN saying you got to take him third in the draft.

What let's not go that overboard.

What let's not go that overboard.

Listen.

Listen.

I like Walter Clayton a lot.

I like Walter Clayton a lot.

He had zero baskets zero for the first thirty two minutes.

He had zero baskets zero for the first thirty two minutes.

Of the National Championship. He is a guy who had back to back thirty point games.

Of the National Championship. He is a guy who had back to back thirty point games.

He had thirty four against auburt he had no baskets.

He had thirty four against auburt he had no baskets.

What did he panic?

What did he panic?

No, No, he just attacked the basket, buried to three, had nine clutch points in the final eight minutes.

No, No, he just attacked the basket, buried to three, had nine clutch points in the final eight minutes.

And Florida is a champ.

And Florida is a champ.

Here's their coach, Todd Golden, talking about how defense rode away.

Here's their coach, Todd Golden, talking about how defense rode away.

We've been a top ten defense all year also, and we've been able to stand up against really good offensive teams and find a way to get stops. We held them scoreless the last two twenty and Walter great close out and Condo, great hustle play to win the game. And that's what made this team special all years, that we could win different ways, and we show that against tonight.

We've been a top ten defense all year also, and we've been able to stand up against really good offensive teams and find a way to get stops. We held them scoreless the last two twenty and Walter great close out and Condo, great hustle play to win the game. And that's what made this team special all years, that we could win different ways, and we show that against tonight.

I gotta be honest guys, I'm not gonna lie. I was on Florida. I was extremely nervous down twelve.

I gotta be honest guys, I'm not gonna lie. I was on Florida. I was extremely nervous down twelve.

I thought, how are they going to pull this off?

I thought, how are they going to pull this off?

Even when Houston had the ball in the final twenty seconds with a chance to win the game. I love the Florida adjustments defensively. They blitzed both of the Houston guards, Uzah and Crier. We're not letting you shoot it. We're going to w and they get it over to Sharp, who has, for my money, just the most unfortunate, memorable mistake at the end of a college basketball national championship since Chris Weber called timeout, a timeout he did not have against North Carolina.

Even when Houston had the ball in the final twenty seconds with a chance to win the game. I love the Florida adjustments defensively. They blitzed both of the Houston guards, Uzah and Crier. We're not letting you shoot it. We're going to w and they get it over to Sharp, who has, for my money, just the most unfortunate, memorable mistake at the end of a college basketball national championship since Chris Weber called timeout, a timeout he did not have against North Carolina.

I felt so bad for the kids.

I felt so bad for the kids.

Sharp, he had two turnovers in the final twenty five seconds, dribbled it off his leg. I was like, oh my gosh, that's devastating. I felt really bad for Houston. But at the same time, Houston Cougars fans, now you know how us Dupe fans felt on Saturday night as Duke was melting the game.

Sharp, he had two turnovers in the final twenty five seconds, dribbled it off his leg. I was like, oh my gosh, that's devastating. I felt really bad for Houston. But at the same time, Houston Cougars fans, now you know how us Dupe fans felt on Saturday night as Duke was melting the game.

Away, just handing it to Houston.

Away, just handing it to Houston.

Duke was up nine with three minutes left and gagged Houston up twelve in the second half and then can't even get a.

Duke was up nine with three minutes left and gagged Houston up twelve in the second half and then can't even get a.

Shot off in the fight. Look at that. Clayton, of course put the clothes out. Clayton heroic.

Shot off in the fight. Look at that. Clayton, of course put the clothes out. Clayton heroic.

A quick word on the refs and I don't want to be bag on the refs guy. And anytime somebody says that they're gonna be bag on the refs guy. The refs called four total fouls in the first half.

A quick word on the refs and I don't want to be bag on the refs guy. And anytime somebody says that they're gonna be bag on the refs guy. The refs called four total fouls in the first half.

That's it.

That's it.

They let Houston do what they wanted. Defensively, Houston is grabby and handsy. It's whether the number one defense in the country. Well, what happened in the second half. The refs came out and we're like, oh, oh wait, we can't allow this. We got to call everything. Twenty six fouls in the second half. So from four to twenty six. Well, what's the impact of twenty six fouls in the second half? Well, Florida is able to actually run an offense, you know, without being held and jostled. And then Florida starts getting to the line. They hit their free throws, an amazing comeback, A great capper to folks. I'm gonna go ahead and say I think this was the greatest Final four this century. You had three games all determined in the final ninety seconds and three games all the team that won had trailed at halftime.

They let Houston do what they wanted. Defensively, Houston is grabby and handsy. It's whether the number one defense in the country. Well, what happened in the second half. The refs came out and we're like, oh, oh wait, we can't allow this. We got to call everything. Twenty six fouls in the second half. So from four to twenty six. Well, what's the impact of twenty six fouls in the second half? Well, Florida is able to actually run an offense, you know, without being held and jostled. And then Florida starts getting to the line. They hit their free throws, an amazing comeback, A great capper to folks. I'm gonna go ahead and say I think this was the greatest Final four this century. You had three games all determined in the final ninety seconds and three games all the team that won had trailed at halftime.

I think it was a phenomenal final four.

I think it was a phenomenal final four.

All right, let's pivot to the NFL Draft, and oh boy, things are getting spicy at the top.

All right, let's pivot to the NFL Draft, and oh boy, things are getting spicy at the top.

Now.

Now.

I do want to preface this by saying, by nature, I think I'm a risk taker. I can tell you stories about my family coming from the Caribbean to America back in the sixties and seventies, but I won't bore you with that. However, I myself am a risk taker. Many of you who know my story. I was at a magazine in New York City. I decided to quit to run a sports blog full time. You can imagine how that went over to the future in laws. Oh so, Jason, how's work?

I do want to preface this by saying, by nature, I think I'm a risk taker. I can tell you stories about my family coming from the Caribbean to America back in the sixties and seventies, but I won't bore you with that. However, I myself am a risk taker. Many of you who know my story. I was at a magazine in New York City. I decided to quit to run a sports blog full time. You can imagine how that went over to the future in laws. Oh so, Jason, how's work?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I quit my job to run a sports blog and I get this blank stet.

I quit my job to run a sports blog and I get this blank stet.

What's that?

What's that?

You know?

You know?

This was like two thousand and six seven, and I obviously got a little lucky with it and it paid off. But taking a risk worked. So nine years ago, you know, Colin Coward and Fox come to me and they're like, hey, would you move across the country to try your hand at TV?

This was like two thousand and six seven, and I obviously got a little lucky with it and it paid off. But taking a risk worked. So nine years ago, you know, Colin Coward and Fox come to me and they're like, hey, would you move across the country to try your hand at TV?

Risk taker? Jason, Yeah, let's give it a shot. Why not? Family was like, are you sure about this? So far, so good. We'll see what the future holds. But taking risks in life, you know, high reward, high risk. I like being a risk taker. I do some gambling.

Risk taker? Jason, Yeah, let's give it a shot. Why not? Family was like, are you sure about this? So far, so good. We'll see what the future holds. But taking risks in life, you know, high reward, high risk. I like being a risk taker. I do some gambling.

I don't mind playing the card games in Vegas. Enter the Cleveland Browns, who are in risky territory at number two.

I don't mind playing the card games in Vegas. Enter the Cleveland Browns, who are in risky territory at number two.

If we assume Kim Ward.

If we assume Kim Ward.

Is going one to Tennessee, which everybody has, what's happening at two is all over the place, so everybody knows. One of the best newsbreakers in the NFL's Adam Schefter, he does a great job. In February, he said it made sense for the Browns to draft Shade a quarterback, not Shador a quarterback at two. In March, he came out and said, you know what, Abdul Carter is a lean right now for the Browns. Here we are in April and Schefter comes out this week and says, you know, it looks like Travis Hunter is gonna go too to the Browns. Folks, nobody knows what Cleveland's gonna do. Let's stop pretending like anyone has a clue. It all comes down to, what would you do. And this is where I get risky, and I say, I'm taking Shadoor Sanders. I understand he doesn't have elite arm strength, he doesn't have elite escapability, he.

Is going one to Tennessee, which everybody has, what's happening at two is all over the place, so everybody knows. One of the best newsbreakers in the NFL's Adam Schefter, he does a great job. In February, he said it made sense for the Browns to draft Shade a quarterback, not Shador a quarterback at two. In March, he came out and said, you know what, Abdul Carter is a lean right now for the Browns. Here we are in April and Schefter comes out this week and says, you know, it looks like Travis Hunter is gonna go too to the Browns. Folks, nobody knows what Cleveland's gonna do. Let's stop pretending like anyone has a clue. It all comes down to, what would you do. And this is where I get risky, and I say, I'm taking Shadoor Sanders. I understand he doesn't have elite arm strength, he doesn't have elite escapability, he.

Doesn't have elite size.

Doesn't have elite size.

I mean, you know, frankly, he doesn't didn't have elite protection at Colorado. So I don't think we've seen the best Shadoor Sanders. Could he be Tua, a highly.

I mean, you know, frankly, he doesn't didn't have elite protection at Colorado. So I don't think we've seen the best Shadoor Sanders. Could he be Tua, a highly.

Accurate quarterback who's kind of sort of limited by his size.

Accurate quarterback who's kind of sort of limited by his size.

Sure he could be Tua. I don't think that would be the worst thing in the world. Who is a good quarterback. He's had a couple good runs. If he could stay healthy. You know, he's been paid.

Sure he could be Tua. I don't think that would be the worst thing in the world. Who is a good quarterback. He's had a couple good runs. If he could stay healthy. You know, he's been paid.

Dolphin's got to the playoffs with him. Could he be too a sure?

Dolphin's got to the playoffs with him. Could he be too a sure?

Could Shadore Sanders be Zach Wilson, Yeah, that would not surprise me either. Could he be Trey Lance who the forty nine Ers riskily not even a word traded up in the draft. They went up to get Trey Lance, who I believe is out of the league currently.

Could Shadore Sanders be Zach Wilson, Yeah, that would not surprise me either. Could he be Trey Lance who the forty nine Ers riskily not even a word traded up in the draft. They went up to get Trey Lance, who I believe is out of the league currently.

He may let it end up on a.

He may let it end up on a.

Roster, but I think the Cowboys have moved on with this new Joe Milton move. So folks, do you risk it by going Shadoor Sanders it too. I keep hearing Abdul Carter He's safest, safest pick in the draft.

Roster, but I think the Cowboys have moved on with this new Joe Milton move. So folks, do you risk it by going Shadoor Sanders it too. I keep hearing Abdul Carter He's safest, safest pick in the draft.

Okay, well you start to drill down on Carter.

Okay, well you start to drill down on Carter.

He's coming off a surgery, he's got like a foot thing. And then there are reports about like is was he the hardest worker at Penn State? You know, maybe maybe this is people trying to poison the water for Abduel Carter.

He's coming off a surgery, he's got like a foot thing. And then there are reports about like is was he the hardest worker at Penn State? You know, maybe maybe this is people trying to poison the water for Abduel Carter.

I think he looks like a great football player, but safe. You know who else was safe?

I think he looks like a great football player, but safe. You know who else was safe?

Chase Young coming out of Ohio State, remember him, one of the boats of twins us.

Chase Young coming out of Ohio State, remember him, one of the boats of twins us.

Sorry, boats of brothers who was with the Chargers for a long time. I thought he was supposed to be safe, Like they just moved on from him. You know, good player, but he was supposed to be safe. What a safe mean? Is Travis Hunter that safe? Okay? Great, you've got a wonderful wide receiver. What are you gonna do with him?

Sorry, boats of brothers who was with the Chargers for a long time. I thought he was supposed to be safe, Like they just moved on from him. You know, good player, but he was supposed to be safe. What a safe mean? Is Travis Hunter that safe? Okay? Great, you've got a wonderful wide receiver. What are you gonna do with him?

Go ask the Giants how that worked out with Malik Neighbors. They got three different quarterbacks throwing to him and they're not winning anything.

Go ask the Giants how that worked out with Malik Neighbors. They got three different quarterbacks throwing to him and they're not winning anything.

So what is safe? And I'll counter that with I go.

So what is safe? And I'll counter that with I go.

I take the risk and I go Shudor Sanders, because you know what, if I get Hunter and I got no quarterbacks throwing to him, I'm probably getting fired if I'm the front office. If I got Abdul Carter and Miles Garrett coming off the idul exciting, I got no quarterback. But Jay, you're forgetting Kirk Cousins to Cleveland. What about the rumors?

I take the risk and I go Shudor Sanders, because you know what, if I get Hunter and I got no quarterbacks throwing to him, I'm probably getting fired if I'm the front office. If I got Abdul Carter and Miles Garrett coming off the idul exciting, I got no quarterback. But Jay, you're forgetting Kirk Cousins to Cleveland. What about the rumors?

Well, guys, I looked it up.

Well, guys, I looked it up.

Kirk Cousins his last five games in Atlanta, he had one touchdown in nine picks.

Kirk Cousins his last five games in Atlanta, he had one touchdown in nine picks.

He was benched. Now could that be because of the Atlanta offense? Maybe? Could it be that Kirk Cousins is washed. That's also possible.

He was benched. Now could that be because of the Atlanta offense? Maybe? Could it be that Kirk Cousins is washed. That's also possible.

Is he gonna work out in Cleveland and the outdoor situations in that division?

Is he gonna work out in Cleveland and the outdoor situations in that division?

I don't know. He seems like an indoor quarterback to me.

I don't know. He seems like an indoor quarterback to me.

I know he went to Michigan State, but I don't think Kirk Cousins is a slam dunk.

I know he went to Michigan State, but I don't think Kirk Cousins is a slam dunk.

Let's not.

Let's not.

Pretend that that magical run by Joe Flacco where he won what five games, they got to the playoffs and they got smashed by fifty because.

Pretend that that magical run by Joe Flacco where he won what five games, they got to the playoffs and they got smashed by fifty because.

He threw two pick sixes.

He threw two pick sixes.

Let's not act like that is definitely going to duplicate itself with whoever you put in at quarterback.

Let's not act like that is definitely going to duplicate itself with whoever you put in at quarterback.

I take a risk and I grabbed Shaduor could.

I take a risk and I grabbed Shaduor could.

You wait until the second round and get Cowherd's favorite guy.

You wait until the second round and get Cowherd's favorite guy.

Mister McCord from Syracuse. Sure you could do that, guys.

Mister McCord from Syracuse. Sure you could do that, guys.

I just went down the list of the best second round quarterbacks ever drafted. Brett varv home run with Green Bay not his first team, Gino Smith kind of sort of thriving.

I just went down the list of the best second round quarterbacks ever drafted. Brett varv home run with Green Bay not his first team, Gino Smith kind of sort of thriving.

Now in a late season surge.

Now in a late season surge.

It didn't happen with the Jets when they drafted him. He was a risk second round. He didn't work out with the Jets. Andy Dalton, I won't even say Cowhard's nickname for him, but he has zero career playoff wins. Could he be Jalen Hurts or Drew Brees the second round quarterback who thrives and wins the Super Bowl? Sure, two quarterbacks won Super Bowls. Obviously, Boomerasyasin was the second round pick. You can hit on them. But this idea that Hey Schadour is a huge risk. Isn't everyone a risk? I mean, guys, I hate to break it to your cam Ward at one. As much as I like him, he's a risk. You know, he's good at Washington State, great at Miami.

It didn't happen with the Jets when they drafted him. He was a risk second round. He didn't work out with the Jets. Andy Dalton, I won't even say Cowhard's nickname for him, but he has zero career playoff wins. Could he be Jalen Hurts or Drew Brees the second round quarterback who thrives and wins the Super Bowl? Sure, two quarterbacks won Super Bowls. Obviously, Boomerasyasin was the second round pick. You can hit on them. But this idea that Hey Schadour is a huge risk. Isn't everyone a risk? I mean, guys, I hate to break it to your cam Ward at one. As much as I like him, he's a risk. You know, he's good at Washington State, great at Miami.

Is he gonna work in the NFL? Nobody knows.

Is he gonna work in the NFL? Nobody knows.

And that's why we could talk about the NFL Draft for nine months out of the year, because nobody knows a damn thing. But I'm telling you right now, if you want to be a risk taker, Shadoor Sanders is your guy at number two in the draft.

And that's why we could talk about the NFL Draft for nine months out of the year, because nobody knows a damn thing. But I'm telling you right now, if you want to be a risk taker, Shadoor Sanders is your guy at number two in the draft.

Cleveland, I'm just here to help. That's all we do, Alex. We're trying to help these teams out. And I think you got to go Shador Sanders too.

Cleveland, I'm just here to help. That's all we do, Alex. We're trying to help these teams out. And I think you got to go Shador Sanders too.

In the draft.

In the draft.

It's also like the most important position on the team, and if you have a gaping hole at the most who's driving your ship the most important position, you have to go after it.

It's also like the most important position on the team, and if you have a gaping hole at the most who's driving your ship the most important position, you have to go after it.

If the option is there, especially at number two.

If the option is there, especially at number two.

You know, and I hear all this talk, Oh well, you could draft Travis Hunter then trade back in the first to get Shador.

You know, and I hear all this talk, Oh well, you could draft Travis Hunter then trade back in the first to get Shador.

The airports at the Saints level at nine. Yeah, you gonn jumping up to eight. You give it up all that draft capital. It just feels like too many gymnastics.

The airports at the Saints level at nine. Yeah, you gonn jumping up to eight. You give it up all that draft capital. It just feels like too many gymnastics.

I think that like when you say like safe, I think the safest thing about both Travis and Shador is their leader, their coach, Dion Sanders, who is obviously a Shador's father, but a father figure for Travis.

I think that like when you say like safe, I think the safest thing about both Travis and Shador is their leader, their coach, Dion Sanders, who is obviously a Shador's father, but a father figure for Travis.

Like we heard him talk about.

Like we heard him talk about.

That and cry about that at his Heisman acceptance speech. He knows what it takes to win in the NFL, so he's preparing these guys to be able to be successful at that level. So I think when you say like safe, that might be the closest like mentally, I think they'll be ready for it.

That and cry about that at his Heisman acceptance speech. He knows what it takes to win in the NFL, so he's preparing these guys to be able to be successful at that level. So I think when you say like safe, that might be the closest like mentally, I think they'll be ready for it.

Safe or risk, you know, take chances in life. It's fun.

Safe or risk, you know, take chances in life. It's fun.

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Welcome Back Hour number two. Here on the Herd, Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd. It text with him yesterday.

Welcome Back Hour number two. Here on the Herd, Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd. It text with him yesterday.

The fishing excursions are going great. He's just catching stuff left and right. I'm joined today by Alex Curry. Alex, you're a big fisher person.

The fishing excursions are going great. He's just catching stuff left and right. I'm joined today by Alex Curry. Alex, you're a big fisher person.

So I was in Fiji in December and I caught my very first fish, and I caught a barracuda.

So I was in Fiji in December and I caught my very first fish, and I caught a barracuda.

I'm not kidding you, guys.

I'm not kidding you, guys.

This was the most thrilling and terrifying experience of my life. Wow, and it like it has like crazy teeth.

This was the most thrilling and terrifying experience of my life. Wow, and it like it has like crazy teeth.

Yeah, comes right at you. Oh wow. So did you sit in the water in Fiji after that or are you.

Yeah, comes right at you. Oh wow. So did you sit in the water in Fiji after that or are you.

Like, hell o, Yeah, there's sharks, there's everything. Yeah, but you're with the locals because I stayed on like a private circuing island, the Moo too. It's like the most magical place in the world. So you wake up every morning and you go fishing or circing or snorkeling like wherever sounds good.

Like, hell o, Yeah, there's sharks, there's everything. Yeah, but you're with the locals because I stayed on like a private circuing island, the Moo too. It's like the most magical place in the world. So you wake up every morning and you go fishing or circing or snorkeling like wherever sounds good.

But I'm like, I have a pass for me.

But I'm like, I have a pass for me.

We got Ryan Hollins, NBA veteran. He's a tall guy. I'm just trying to recruit him on men's league team. He's very tall flight center. We could use him as a rim protector. But he's like, I'm in Houston, damn it. All right, We're gonna start here real quick. I'm gonna bust through my five. I have favorites to win the NBA Championship. You're gonna vehemently disagree. Fan bases are gonna be irked. Let's get started at number five, the Cleveland Cavaliers. I wanted to put the Knicks years so badly. I just I can't do it. Because the Nicks are gonna probably play the Celtics in the second round. The Cavs pathway easier since they are the number one seed. Dame Willard unlikely to play the rest of the way due to blood clots. I think things just line up for Cleveland to have their best season since Lebron left.

We got Ryan Hollins, NBA veteran. He's a tall guy. I'm just trying to recruit him on men's league team. He's very tall flight center. We could use him as a rim protector. But he's like, I'm in Houston, damn it. All right, We're gonna start here real quick. I'm gonna bust through my five. I have favorites to win the NBA Championship. You're gonna vehemently disagree. Fan bases are gonna be irked. Let's get started at number five, the Cleveland Cavaliers. I wanted to put the Knicks years so badly. I just I can't do it. Because the Nicks are gonna probably play the Celtics in the second round. The Cavs pathway easier since they are the number one seed. Dame Willard unlikely to play the rest of the way due to blood clots. I think things just line up for Cleveland to have their best season since Lebron left.

Donovan Mitchell's great.

Donovan Mitchell's great.

I know they've slid a little bit lately here down the stret but they got nothing to play for. They got the number one seed locked up. Mitchell, Mobley, Alan Garland love everything about this team. Calves fifth on my list of title contenders, number four. Let's go with the Oklahoma City Thunder. What Jason, they're the favorites. They are the favorites according to Vegas. I'm just not a believer. I know, I know it's too out of a take. Ryan Hollins, I could see him shaking his head over here. He's not happy with me already, folks. Okase he got fat and happy, beaten up on the East, blowing out the Orlando Magic and the Wizards by like fifty.

I know they've slid a little bit lately here down the stret but they got nothing to play for. They got the number one seed locked up. Mitchell, Mobley, Alan Garland love everything about this team. Calves fifth on my list of title contenders, number four. Let's go with the Oklahoma City Thunder. What Jason, they're the favorites. They are the favorites according to Vegas. I'm just not a believer. I know, I know it's too out of a take. Ryan Hollins, I could see him shaking his head over here. He's not happy with me already, folks. Okase he got fat and happy, beaten up on the East, blowing out the Orlando Magic and the Wizards by like fifty.

I know, and listen some of the numbers.

I know, and listen some of the numbers.

They are nine and nine against the top teams in the West versus the Lakers, Warriors, Nuggets.

They are nine and nine against the top teams in the West versus the Lakers, Warriors, Nuggets.

Rockets, and Wolves. It ain't gonna be easy.

Rockets, and Wolves. It ain't gonna be easy.

And again, I saw them against Luca in the playoffs last year. He owned them. You could have your Lou Dort and you're j Dobb and chet Holmgren. They're not winning the finals. I have them number four on my list, number three ahead of the Thunder.

And again, I saw them against Luca in the playoffs last year. He owned them. You could have your Lou Dort and you're j Dobb and chet Holmgren. They're not winning the finals. I have them number four on my list, number three ahead of the Thunder.

Steph Curry's Golden State Warriors. What's not to love? Man?

Steph Curry's Golden State Warriors. What's not to love? Man?

One bad game against the Rockets, they're fine.

One bad game against the Rockets, they're fine.

If Podzemski can hit eight threes against the Lakers, they're fine. That won't happen again. I like what I've seen from Kuminga. I like the depth, but most of all, I like Steph Curry.

If Podzemski can hit eight threes against the Lakers, they're fine. That won't happen again. I like what I've seen from Kuminga. I like the depth, but most of all, I like Steph Curry.

As long as you're not allowed to grab him and hold him and foul him and chuck him and bury him like the Rockets did, Warriors should be fine. I don't want the Lakers to play them in the first round. I know the sheet here says the Lakers with three and one against the Warriors. Those wins were before the Anthony Davis trade. It's not a great matchup for the Lakers. But I do like the Warriors as my third favorite to win the title. Checking in at number two, it's the Lakers, Lebron and Luca.

As long as you're not allowed to grab him and hold him and foul him and chuck him and bury him like the Rockets did, Warriors should be fine. I don't want the Lakers to play them in the first round. I know the sheet here says the Lakers with three and one against the Warriors. Those wins were before the Anthony Davis trade. It's not a great matchup for the Lakers. But I do like the Warriors as my third favorite to win the title. Checking in at number two, it's the Lakers, Lebron and Luca.

Go ahead, hate it all you want.

Go ahead, hate it all you want.

I'm telling you, guys, Luca, Lebron and Reeves is the best big three in the league, period and destroy. I don't think the Celtics have as good of a big three. They have more depth, of course, and they're better four, five, six, But the Lakers big three will take them to the finals.

I'm telling you, guys, Luca, Lebron and Reeves is the best big three in the league, period and destroy. I don't think the Celtics have as good of a big three. They have more depth, of course, and they're better four, five, six, But the Lakers big three will take them to the finals.

All of a sudden, Denver's looking vulnerable. Folks know Jamal Murray.

All of a sudden, Denver's looking vulnerable. Folks know Jamal Murray.

There's some quotes from Michael Malone making it sound like Jamal Murray may play.

There's some quotes from Michael Malone making it sound like Jamal Murray may play.

In the playoffs.

In the playoffs.

So now you're looking at it a Russell Westbrook Christian Brown backcourt.

So now you're looking at it a Russell Westbrook Christian Brown backcourt.

Are you kidding me?

Are you kidding me?

Those guys have no chance against Luca. Austin Reeves is just a superhero right now. And oh, by the way, Lebron's taking his foot off the gas because Luca is ready to take over.

Those guys have no chance against Luca. Austin Reeves is just a superhero right now. And oh, by the way, Lebron's taking his foot off the gas because Luca is ready to take over.

I just love this Lakers team.

I just love this Lakers team.

Second best chance to win the title and checking in at number one on the top, it's got to be the defending champion Celtics. They are the number two favorites plus two to fifteen plus money for the Celtics to win the title. I don't know how you don't take that. Although the odds were probably better earlier this season, they won't have home court advantage against the Calves.

Second best chance to win the title and checking in at number one on the top, it's got to be the defending champion Celtics. They are the number two favorites plus two to fifteen plus money for the Celtics to win the title. I don't know how you don't take that. Although the odds were probably better earlier this season, they won't have home court advantage against the Calves.

I don't think.

I don't think.

They'll need it. Cleveland did play them well at moments last year at times last year, but when fully healthy or zingis Horford, Holliday, White Brown, Tatum, I mean Peyton Pritcher, by the way, is gonna be sixth Man of the Year. That is a nasty, nasty top seven. I think Boston's got to be the team to be. Lakers two, Warriors three, the OKC Thunder, everybody loves SGA and the free throw merchants. At a number five, the Cleveland Calves apologies to my knicks.

They'll need it. Cleveland did play them well at moments last year at times last year, but when fully healthy or zingis Horford, Holliday, White Brown, Tatum, I mean Peyton Pritcher, by the way, is gonna be sixth Man of the Year. That is a nasty, nasty top seven. I think Boston's got to be the team to be. Lakers two, Warriors three, the OKC Thunder, everybody loves SGA and the free throw merchants. At a number five, the Cleveland Calves apologies to my knicks.

The Clippers also just missed out.

The Clippers also just missed out.

Keep an eye on them, they're hot, and the Houston Rockets narrowly missed one more.

Keep an eye on them, they're hot, and the Houston Rockets narrowly missed one more.

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Never a dull moment in the NBA.

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Breaking news, the Denver Nuggets, who won the NBA championship in twenty twenty three have fired their head coach Michael Malone and their GM Calvin Booth.

Breaking news, the Denver Nuggets, who won the NBA championship in twenty twenty three have fired their head coach Michael Malone and their GM Calvin Booth.

Ladies and gentlemen. The playoffs start in like ten days in the NBA. What is happening now?

Ladies and gentlemen. The playoffs start in like ten days in the NBA. What is happening now?

I was scurrying during the break to get some information. It's so weird because I think yesterday I alluded to Denver being a bit of a mess, and this morning I saw that Jamal Murray's hurt. And the way Michael Malone is talking lately, he's just talking kind of wild, but that has historically been his mo. He's a queen's guy, grew up in the Northeast. He's a tough talker. He's a little combative. Do you remember when the Lakers beat Denver one game in that series in the playoffs and he came back and oh the Lakers won one game.

I was scurrying during the break to get some information. It's so weird because I think yesterday I alluded to Denver being a bit of a mess, and this morning I saw that Jamal Murray's hurt. And the way Michael Malone is talking lately, he's just talking kind of wild, but that has historically been his mo. He's a queen's guy, grew up in the Northeast. He's a tough talker. He's a little combative. Do you remember when the Lakers beat Denver one game in that series in the playoffs and he came back and oh the Lakers won one game.

He's just basically, you guys are talking trash about us.

He's just basically, you guys are talking trash about us.

I can't believe it. We're gonna destroy them. He said, like, put in your pipe and smoke it. He was really just aggressive, and this is his nature. And there are reports I'm reading that maybe he was kind of sort of losing the locker room in Denver again. He is a mouthy individual. There's nothing wrong with that. As a coach, you know that can work for so long, but when you're not winning. The staff here found some numbers for Jokic in April. Okay, this is real. He's averaging forty five points, twelve boards, and tennysists in the month of April. They're zero to three, Like, how are you not winning? In crunch On, they were looking at being the three seed. They could potentially fall to the six, seven, eight, maybe into the plan. They don't have any wins with Yokis putting up huge stats. Now, obviously the Jamal Murray injury and Jamal Murray always seems to be hurt.

I can't believe it. We're gonna destroy them. He said, like, put in your pipe and smoke it. He was really just aggressive, and this is his nature. And there are reports I'm reading that maybe he was kind of sort of losing the locker room in Denver again. He is a mouthy individual. There's nothing wrong with that. As a coach, you know that can work for so long, but when you're not winning. The staff here found some numbers for Jokic in April. Okay, this is real. He's averaging forty five points, twelve boards, and tennysists in the month of April. They're zero to three, Like, how are you not winning? In crunch On, they were looking at being the three seed. They could potentially fall to the six, seven, eight, maybe into the plan. They don't have any wins with Yokis putting up huge stats. Now, obviously the Jamal Murray injury and Jamal Murray always seems to be hurt.

That's kind of damaging. You do have who I.

That's kind of damaging. You do have who I.

Believe is the best player in the league, who I would have as MVP, in Nicola jokicch putting up historic, great numbers, but it just doesn't seem to be working now early in the season, and Murray hasn't played in the last two weeks because he's so banged up, and obviously that hurts. You know, Christian Brown and Russell Westbrook. That's not a back court that scares anybody. But one of the interesting things about Denver is that Malone historically doesn't like playing young guys. They don't always know how to play. There's a steep learning curve. You got to deal with a lot of dumb turnovers and bad shots. He likes to lean on veterans. So the GM of the Nuggets gave this big fat contract to Zeke Nasee, who was one of these combined Warriors, one of these workout dudes who is.

Believe is the best player in the league, who I would have as MVP, in Nicola jokicch putting up historic, great numbers, but it just doesn't seem to be working now early in the season, and Murray hasn't played in the last two weeks because he's so banged up, and obviously that hurts. You know, Christian Brown and Russell Westbrook. That's not a back court that scares anybody. But one of the interesting things about Denver is that Malone historically doesn't like playing young guys. They don't always know how to play. There's a steep learning curve. You got to deal with a lot of dumb turnovers and bad shots. He likes to lean on veterans. So the GM of the Nuggets gave this big fat contract to Zeke Nasee, who was one of these combined Warriors, one of these workout dudes who is.

Like measurements through the roof, checks all the boxes. He gets on the court.

Like measurements through the roof, checks all the boxes. He gets on the court.

He can't play, and the GM still gives him a big extension, which was a blunder.

He can't play, and the GM still gives him a big extension, which was a blunder.

They paid Michael Porter Junior.

They paid Michael Porter Junior.

I don't know that he could guard half the guys in my men's basketball league.

I don't know that he could guard half the guys in my men's basketball league.

I like Aaron Gordon a lot.

I like Aaron Gordon a lot.

I think he's a good piece. I think Jokich is obviously a superstar. I didn't like the Russell Westbrook move, but it's speaks to Malone having influence on the GM. Hey man, go get me a veteran who's gonna try hard and hustle. Michael Malone loves a good try hard. But the narrative of Denver trying hard is not there because they're not stopping anybody now, So you got MPJ doesn't play defense. Russ is a bit of a train wreck and out of control. Joki is dominating but looking around.

I think he's a good piece. I think Jokich is obviously a superstar. I didn't like the Russell Westbrook move, but it's speaks to Malone having influence on the GM. Hey man, go get me a veteran who's gonna try hard and hustle. Michael Malone loves a good try hard. But the narrative of Denver trying hard is not there because they're not stopping anybody now, So you got MPJ doesn't play defense. Russ is a bit of a train wreck and out of control. Joki is dominating but looking around.

Like where's my help?

Like where's my help?

And Jamal Murray's in street clothes again. So Denver is slip sliding badly in the West. And as the staff pointed out to me, Taylor Jenkins was fired by Memphis last week. They were in the top five in the West. And Ryan, who you know, a long time producer. He was actually my first radio show producer when I had a weekend show, said something smart.

And Jamal Murray's in street clothes again. So Denver is slip sliding badly in the West. And as the staff pointed out to me, Taylor Jenkins was fired by Memphis last week. They were in the top five in the West. And Ryan, who you know, a long time producer. He was actually my first radio show producer when I had a weekend show, said something smart.

He's like, you know what.

He's like, you know what.

It kind of sort of feels like these teams don't think they can compete to win a title this year, so they're getting ahead of the coaching cycle for this summer.

It kind of sort of feels like these teams don't think they can compete to win a title this year, so they're getting ahead of the coaching cycle for this summer.

Hey man, we ain't gonna win. Let's just see if the assistant can be promoted. Let's see what he can do, if we could.

Hey man, we ain't gonna win. Let's just see if the assistant can be promoted. Let's see what he can do, if we could.

Change some of the voices in the locker room, and let's think about the summer. So Memphis fires their coach two weeks before the playoffs. Denver fires their coach a week before the playoffs. The problem is Malone just won a title. He's the winningest coach in franchise history. He's been there for ten years and you fire him a week before the playoffs. Now the staff is sending me some good stuff here. According to Ramona Shelbourne, the situation in Denver is been tense and pressurized since the beginning of the year. Malone and Booth had big ideas and strong wills.

Change some of the voices in the locker room, and let's think about the summer. So Memphis fires their coach two weeks before the playoffs. Denver fires their coach a week before the playoffs. The problem is Malone just won a title. He's the winningest coach in franchise history. He's been there for ten years and you fire him a week before the playoffs. Now the staff is sending me some good stuff here. According to Ramona Shelbourne, the situation in Denver is been tense and pressurized since the beginning of the year. Malone and Booth had big ideas and strong wills.

Both are now gone again. This was a weird mix in the locker room.

Both are now gone again. This was a weird mix in the locker room.

Apparently Booth and Malone didn't really like each other and get along. They did not talk, and they spoke behind each other's backs. That's toxic.

Apparently Booth and Malone didn't really like each other and get along. They did not talk, and they spoke behind each other's backs. That's toxic.

Man.

Man.

When are we gonna start reading about are the Denver Nuggets wasting your kitch's prime?

When are we gonna start reading about are the Denver Nuggets wasting your kitch's prime?

I mean, that's probably gotta come next.

I mean, that's probably gotta come next.

Now.

Now.

I did see one of my buddies who's a huge Knicks fan. I mean, the body's not even cold in Denver, and Knicks fans are like, can.

I did see one of my buddies who's a huge Knicks fan. I mean, the body's not even cold in Denver, and Knicks fans are like, can.

We get Michael Malone for TIBs? Can we do that trade? Can we run up move off TIBs.

We get Michael Malone for TIBs? Can we do that trade? Can we run up move off TIBs.

Tibbs, by the way, in New York is running his players into the ground. I think for like the top thirty players minutes wise are on the Knicks. And you know what's gonna happen when they get to the playoffs, They're gonna be broken. The same thing happened to TIBs in Chicago. Could Michael Malone, who instantly is going to vault to the top of every wish list around the league?

Tibbs, by the way, in New York is running his players into the ground. I think for like the top thirty players minutes wise are on the Knicks. And you know what's gonna happen when they get to the playoffs, They're gonna be broken. The same thing happened to TIBs in Chicago. Could Michael Malone, who instantly is going to vault to the top of every wish list around the league?

Hey, man, I would not be surprised if there's NBA teams right now looking do we love our guy? Should we go after Michael Malone?

Hey, man, I would not be surprised if there's NBA teams right now looking do we love our guy? Should we go after Michael Malone?

I mean, I don't know that the Phoenix Suns would do it, but remember they ran off Frank Vogel, who I saw at an event a couple of weeks ago.

I mean, I don't know that the Phoenix Suns would do it, but remember they ran off Frank Vogel, who I saw at an event a couple of weeks ago.

Very nice guy. Does watch the Herd shout out to Frank. They fired him after one year.

Very nice guy. Does watch the Herd shout out to Frank. They fired him after one year.

Well, Budenholzer comes in, he beefs with Kevin Durant. The videos are out there and now KD has downplayed it. But would the Suns move off another coach two one and done's and bring in Michael Malone. I don't know it's possible, but oh my gosh, alex Any, I.

Well, Budenholzer comes in, he beefs with Kevin Durant. The videos are out there and now KD has downplayed it. But would the Suns move off another coach two one and done's and bring in Michael Malone. I don't know it's possible, but oh my gosh, alex Any, I.

Know it's just breaking and we're trying to get get our bearings here, but it's.

Know it's just breaking and we're trying to get get our bearings here, but it's.

Just kind of fascinating.

Just kind of fascinating.

I fire your coach ten days before the playoffs. It feels weak.

I fire your coach ten days before the playoffs. It feels weak.

It feels weak to your fan base, it feels weak to the organization. You're still in a playoff position, you are in fourth in the West right now, and you are throwing in the towel saying I don't think we can do it. I don't think we can win a championship. It just it's not the mentality you want from a franchise an organization at like the most important stretch of the regular season, when you're in a playoff position, you suck like you oh man, like you tough it out. You tough it out, like what are you gonna do. Someone's not gonna come in and make it better right now the last week of the regular season and into the postseason. But it also because we were talking about Russell Westbrook's body language yesterday when he was talking to media, and now it all kind of makes sense, like oh, things were like not good behind closed doors, and you might have thought that might have been the case, and he was kind of giving that energy and vibe off and this is just whoo. It's just I don't agree with when you are in a position to win and you are in a playoff position, a high playoff position, like.

It feels weak to your fan base, it feels weak to the organization. You're still in a playoff position, you are in fourth in the West right now, and you are throwing in the towel saying I don't think we can do it. I don't think we can win a championship. It just it's not the mentality you want from a franchise an organization at like the most important stretch of the regular season, when you're in a playoff position, you suck like you oh man, like you tough it out. You tough it out, like what are you gonna do. Someone's not gonna come in and make it better right now the last week of the regular season and into the postseason. But it also because we were talking about Russell Westbrook's body language yesterday when he was talking to media, and now it all kind of makes sense, like oh, things were like not good behind closed doors, and you might have thought that might have been the case, and he was kind of giving that energy and vibe off and this is just whoo. It's just I don't agree with when you are in a position to win and you are in a playoff position, a high playoff position, like.

Why would you do that something weird? Why would you? There's something more that we don't know.

Why would you do that something weird? Why would you? There's something more that we don't know.

I've been waiting for the Memphis story to come out on Taylor Jenkins and nothing's come out.

I've been waiting for the Memphis story to come out on Taylor Jenkins and nothing's come out.

It's been a week.

It's been a week.

Maybe they're still waiting to do the TikTok, but and not TikTok, the app like the story of.

Maybe they're still waiting to do the TikTok, but and not TikTok, the app like the story of.

Day to day, hour to hour. Kay, So we're still we'll wait for that. I'm alone. But here's another interesting note.

Day to day, hour to hour. Kay, So we're still we'll wait for that. I'm alone. But here's another interesting note.

So the owner of the Denver Nuggets is Stan Kronky, and he also owns the Rams. What do the Rams have a really unified front with mc they and Snead They're like a tandem.

So the owner of the Denver Nuggets is Stan Kronky, and he also owns the Rams. What do the Rams have a really unified front with mc they and Snead They're like a tandem.

They go everywhere together.

They go everywhere together.

They seem to get along great. They have a shared unified vision. It doesn't appear. And I again, I don't know one hundred percent if there is a shared unified vision between Booth and Malone, But it sounds like Booth wanted to mix in some young guys and Malone was like, eh, no, thanks, I want veterans. Remember he was reluctant to play Christian Brown at all. And I watched a video clip during the commercial about Brown meeting the media and he just he looks young. Okay, he's playing with Yokich, Westbrook, Aaron Gordon. These guys have been around a lot of playoffs. And Brown looks still kind of wide eyed and kind of shook and rattled.

They seem to get along great. They have a shared unified vision. It doesn't appear. And I again, I don't know one hundred percent if there is a shared unified vision between Booth and Malone, But it sounds like Booth wanted to mix in some young guys and Malone was like, eh, no, thanks, I want veterans. Remember he was reluctant to play Christian Brown at all. And I watched a video clip during the commercial about Brown meeting the media and he just he looks young. Okay, he's playing with Yokich, Westbrook, Aaron Gordon. These guys have been around a lot of playoffs. And Brown looks still kind of wide eyed and kind of shook and rattled.

And I don't know. If your coach in the GM are not on the same page, it ain't gonna work.

And I don't know. If your coach in the GM are not on the same page, it ain't gonna work.

Listen, If Alex and I are not getting along or we totally disagree, this is gonna look awkward.

Listen, If Alex and I are not getting along or we totally disagree, this is gonna look awkward.

And I think the audience is.

And I think the audience is.

Gonna tell yeah, but again, like then, let the GM go right now, fire the GM, but keep your head coach.

Gonna tell yeah, but again, like then, let the GM go right now, fire the GM, but keep your head coach.

Yeah, Malone has won so much.

Yeah, Malone has won so much.

Like and it was a twenty twenty three you wont an NBA championship. He is your winningest coach in franchise history. He's been with the team for ten years.

Like and it was a twenty twenty three you wont an NBA championship. He is your winningest coach in franchise history. He's been with the team for ten years.

His story coming from the Kings where he got run off. Yeah, were again. He is a combative guy. And listen, you can only battle with management long enough when you're winning.

His story coming from the Kings where he got run off. Yeah, were again. He is a combative guy. And listen, you can only battle with management long enough when you're winning.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right, Hey, I'm gonna say what I want. I'm gonna do what I want. We're on top. I don't give up.

Right, Hey, I'm gonna say what I want. I'm gonna do what I want. We're on top. I don't give up.

You know now you're certainly losing, sliding in the standings, and all of a sudden, maybe the locker room. Then it's easy to move off of them, and you just make it a package.

You know now you're certainly losing, sliding in the standings, and all of a sudden, maybe the locker room. Then it's easy to move off of them, and you just make it a package.

You'll, let's get both of the hell out of here.

You'll, let's get both of the hell out of here.

But no, right now, right now doesn't you're in fourth place, you still have a winning record.

But no, right now, right now doesn't you're in fourth place, you still have a winning record.

There was video of Malone talking about Jamal Murray and talking about his team and I think there was a loss a Monday to the Pacers.

There was video of Malone talking about Jamal Murray and talking about his team and I think there was a loss a Monday to the Pacers.

That was what it was on Monday.

That was what it was on Monday.

And he came out and is basically like, yeah, nobody watches their minutes on film.

And he came out and is basically like, yeah, nobody watches their minutes on film.

Nobody watches film. He's like taking shots at his players, Like I try to She's got to watch film.

Nobody watches film. He's like taking shots at his players, Like I try to She's got to watch film.

They don't want to watch film. Hey, listen, it's tough to teach at old dog new tricks.

They don't want to watch film. Hey, listen, it's tough to teach at old dog new tricks.

Now.

Now.

I'm sure it's difficult to tell veteran Russell Westbrook, who's been in the league for like fifteen years, Hey man, let's watch some film together. Hey, I'm an MVP, I'm a triple double machine. I'm going to the Hall of Fame. I'm good on the film. Carmelo Anthony ran into some of this at the end of his career, when he's bouncing around. It's tough to teach old Dog's new tricks, and it's like, I don't know. I'm not ready to side with Michael Malone yet. Obviously more information is gonna come out. This literally just broke eight minutes ago. But the Denver Nuggets have fired their head coach, who won a championship, have been like twenty twenty three, Yeah, twenty twenty three, it was like within the last two years.

I'm sure it's difficult to tell veteran Russell Westbrook, who's been in the league for like fifteen years, Hey man, let's watch some film together. Hey, I'm an MVP, I'm a triple double machine. I'm going to the Hall of Fame. I'm good on the film. Carmelo Anthony ran into some of this at the end of his career, when he's bouncing around. It's tough to teach old Dog's new tricks, and it's like, I don't know. I'm not ready to side with Michael Malone yet. Obviously more information is gonna come out. This literally just broke eight minutes ago. But the Denver Nuggets have fired their head coach, who won a championship, have been like twenty twenty three, Yeah, twenty twenty three, it was like within the last two years.

Yeah, unbelievable.

Yeah, unbelievable.

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How you doing, man, I'm doing great, are you?

How you doing, man, I'm doing great, are you?

Yeah? I'm happier now that you're here. We had a great comploy during the commercial break. My favorite stuff is just asking them random questions. But first, you recently participated in the NFL USO Tour visiting US service members it military bases in Kuwait.

Yeah? I'm happier now that you're here. We had a great comploy during the commercial break. My favorite stuff is just asking them random questions. But first, you recently participated in the NFL USO Tour visiting US service members it military bases in Kuwait.

I've never been to that part of the world. What's that like?

I've never been to that part of the world. What's that like?

It was amazing. I grew up a military child.

It was amazing. I grew up a military child.

My dad served twenty nine years retired as a command sorry major, and my mom served twenty seven and retired as a start major. So for me, it was a big part of giving back going over there, it was a full circle moment.

My dad served twenty nine years retired as a command sorry major, and my mom served twenty seven and retired as a start major. So for me, it was a big part of giving back going over there, it was a full circle moment.

One of the.

One of the.

Bases that we stopped at Air of John in Kuwait, my mom was deployed there in two thousand and three, so completely full circle moment. And then just getting to go over there talk to soldiers, lift them up, you know, give them that little bit of joy. I know what it's like having parents deployed, and when one person serves, the whole family serves, you feel those hearts.

Bases that we stopped at Air of John in Kuwait, my mom was deployed there in two thousand and three, so completely full circle moment. And then just getting to go over there talk to soldiers, lift them up, you know, give them that little bit of joy. I know what it's like having parents deployed, and when one person serves, the whole family serves, you feel those hearts.

Ships. Also got to.

Ships. Also got to.

See high school, high school basketball teammates or kids who went to other schools, guys from Al Paso or people were stationed at Fort Bliss, so that was surreal. Got my haircut by one of my high school basketball teammates who's a barber.

See high school, high school basketball teammates or kids who went to other schools, guys from Al Paso or people were stationed at Fort Bliss, so that was surreal. Got my haircut by one of my high school basketball teammates who's a barber.

Now.

Now.

I was sitting in the barriers with the guys, just hanging out midnight, child eating the DFACT, eating lunch with them, doing everything they did, but just also being there meeting with them, talking to them and trying to lift them up.

I was sitting in the barriers with the guys, just hanging out midnight, child eating the DFACT, eating lunch with them, doing everything they did, but just also being there meeting with them, talking to them and trying to lift them up.

Dude, that sounds awesome. Man, I did hear you say high school basketball? So you were football and basketball in high school just dominating both or no.

Dude, that sounds awesome. Man, I did hear you say high school basketball? So you were football and basketball in high school just dominating both or no.

Track as well? Football, basketball and track? Yes, sir? So wow, you.

Track as well? Football, basketball and track? Yes, sir? So wow, you.

Would you rather start with the Packers or the Vikings, because I shocker, I've got some Aaron Rodgers.

Would you rather start with the Packers or the Vikings, because I shocker, I've got some Aaron Rodgers.

Questions for you. Wherever you want to start here, start with the Packers.

Questions for you. Wherever you want to start here, start with the Packers.

So you're you're drafted by Green Bay, but there's a log gym at running back.

So you're you're drafted by Green Bay, but there's a log gym at running back.

And as you were telling us during the break, it's like you had a big champion in the organization.

And as you were telling us during the break, it's like you had a big champion in the organization.

Tell us how you first got on the field.

Tell us how you first got on the field.

Really it was a rod He went on to the like I want thirty three in the game, uh, signaling from the field, But then went over there it was like I want thirty three in the game, and I'm looking down.

Really it was a rod He went on to the like I want thirty three in the game, uh, signaling from the field, But then went over there it was like I want thirty three in the game, and I'm looking down.

I'm like, hey, let's me, let's go. Uh.

I'm like, hey, let's me, let's go. Uh.

So, like I always tell people, uh, I think people have the wrong perspective of them or whatever. If you're a player, you've been around him, you'll and you're you'd be thankful for your time around him and what he's done for you in your career. So, uh, he's really helped jump start my career, gave me that confidence and continue to give me that confidence.