Today, Cam and Ali are joined in the bathroom by raise.org founder Vicki Condon AM and chairman Leon Condon. 

The couples talk about the loss that led Vicki to start Raise, the lessons they've taken from running the charity into their partnership, the three levels of communication in a relationship, and Leon's realisation that everyday transactional communication had replaced deep emotional intimacy between them. 

LINKS 

• Get involved with raise.org.au
• Follow @raisefoundation and @vickicondon on Instagram
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• Follow Ali @alidaddo on Instagram
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Got a question for Cam & Ali? You can email them at separatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au.