What do you do when you have five separate demos and no idea how they fit together?

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji sits down with NYC psych-pop collective Psymon Spine to unpack the twisting, turbulent process behind their song Wizard Acid. Written remotely during the pandemic and born from five conflicting demos, the track became one of their most ambitious—and hardest to finish.

They break down how Wizard Acid evolved piece by piece: from early voice memos and lost choruses to Bowie-inspired edits and haunted house energy. Along the way, they reflect on collaboration, overthinking, and the surprising value of returning to the first idea.

Artist: Psymon Spine
Song: “Wizard Acid”
Album: Head Body Connector

Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji

Recording Engineers: Max Walker
Creative Team: Callum Baker (Photography), Giovanni Almonte (Videography)
Recording Studio: The Thin White Duke, London.

What do you do when you have five separate demos and no idea how they fit together?
In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji sits down with NYC psych-pop collective Psymon Spine to unpack the twisting, turbulent process behind their song Wizard Acid. Written remotely during the pandemic and born from five conflicting demos, the track became one of their most ambitious&mdash;and hardest to finish.
They break down how Wizard Acid evolved piece by piece: from early voice memos and lost choruses to Bowie-inspired edits and haunted house energy. Along the way, they reflect on collaboration, overthinking, and the surprising value of returning to the first idea.
Artist: Psymon Spine Song: &ldquo;Wizard Acid&rdquo; Album: Head Body Connector
Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji
Recording Engineers: Max Walker Creative Team: Callum Baker (Photography), Giovanni Almonte (Videography) Recording Studio: The Thin White Duke, London.

Psymon Spine: “Wizard Acid” — Turning Five Demos into One Song

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji sits down with Elles Bailey to unpack the long, personal, and painful process behind “Ballad of a Broken Dream,” a track that sat in her voice notes for over five years before she could face recording it.

Originally written after an emotional phone call, the song felt too raw, too unresolved, to finish. Elles shares how she rewrote it again and again—changing verses, adjusting melodies, pulling back—trying to make it more manageable. But every version felt wrong.

We also talk about:


How trauma can freeze the creative process


When you know a song is too close to touch—but too important to ignore


Why voice notes can become emotional time capsules


And the challenge of singing something you’re still going through

The episode closes with a stripped-back performance of “Ballad of a Broken Dream,” recorded live at The Thin White Duke in Soho, London.

Artist: Elles Bailey
Song: “Ballad of a Broken Dream”
Album: Beneath the Neon Glow

Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji

Recording Engineers: Max Walker
Creative Team: Callum Baker (Photography), Giovanni Almonte (Videography)
Recording Studio: The Thin White Duke, London.

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji sits down with Elles Bailey to unpack the long, personal, and painful process behind &ldquo;Ballad of a Broken Dream,&rdquo; a track that sat in her voice notes for over five years before she could face recording it.
Originally written after an emotional phone call, the song felt too raw, too unresolved, to finish. Elles shares how she rewrote it again and again&mdash;changing verses, adjusting melodies, pulling back&mdash;trying to make it more manageable. But every version felt wrong.
We also talk about:
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How trauma can freeze the creative process
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When you know a song is too close to touch&mdash;but too important to ignore
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Why voice notes can become emotional time capsules
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And the challenge of singing something you&rsquo;re still going through
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The episode closes with a stripped-back performance of &ldquo;Ballad of a Broken Dream,&rdquo; recorded live at The Thin White Duke in Soho, London.
Artist: Elles Bailey Song: &ldquo;Ballad of a Broken Dream&rdquo; Album: Beneath the Neon Glow
Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji
Recording Engineers: Max Walker Creative Team: Callum Baker (Photography), Giovanni Almonte (Videography) Recording Studio: The Thin White Duke, London.

Elles Bailey: “Ballad of a Broken Dream” — When a Song Feels Too Personal to Record

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In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji is joined by Adult Jazz to unpack the long and winding process behind “Earth of Worms,” one of the most technically complex and emotionally unruly songs on their album So Sorry So Slow.

The song had been in progress for nearly seven years, and at one point, it was too clean—too correct. The band talks openly about how chasing technical polish nearly stripped the track of its emotional weight, and how they had to unlearn their habits in order to start again. The final version was built by embracing instinct, letting the form collapse, and trusting that songwriting didn’t need to be perfect to be meaningful.

We talk about:


Why they scrapped the original version after years of demos


How harmony, rhythm, and “bad piano playing” helped reanimate the track


What it means to write a song that’s falling apart by design


How process panic, musical overthinking, and care can sometimes clash


And why “Earth of Worms” had to be messy to make sense

The episode ends with an exclusive stripped-back live performance of “Earth of Worms.”

Artist: Adult Jazz
Song: “Earth of Worms”
Album: So Sorry So Slow

Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji


Recording Engineers: Max Walker & Chris Goldsmith
Creative Team: Callum Baker (Photography), Giovanni Almonte (Videography)
Recording Location: Thin White Duke Studios, London.

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji is joined by Adult Jazz to unpack the long and winding process behind &ldquo;Earth of Worms,&rdquo; one of the most technically complex and emotionally unruly songs on their album So Sorry So Slow.
The song had been in progress for nearly seven years, and at one point, it was too clean&mdash;too correct. The band talks openly about how chasing technical polish nearly stripped the track of its emotional weight, and how they had to unlearn their habits in order to start again. The final version was built by embracing instinct, letting the form collapse, and trusting that songwriting didn&rsquo;t need to be perfect to be meaningful.
We talk about:
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Why they scrapped the original version after years of demos
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How harmony, rhythm, and &ldquo;bad piano playing&rdquo; helped reanimate the track
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What it means to write a song that&rsquo;s falling apart by design
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How process panic, musical overthinking, and care can sometimes clash
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And why &ldquo;Earth of Worms&rdquo; had to be messy to make sense
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</ul>
The episode ends with an exclusive stripped-back live performance of &ldquo;Earth of Worms.&rdquo;
Artist: Adult Jazz Song: &ldquo;Earth of Worms&rdquo; Album: So Sorry So Slow
Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji
 Recording Engineers: Max Walker &amp; Chris Goldsmith Creative Team: Callum Baker (Photography), Giovanni Almonte (Videography) Recording Location: Thin White Duke Studios, London.

Adult Jazz: “Earth of Worms” — When Perfection Gets in the Way of Songwriting

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji sits down with Deep Sea Diver at Third Man Records in Soho to unpack the complicated road behind their track “Shovel.”

It started out as the easiest song they’d ever written—and nearly became the one that didn’t make the record at all.

The band explains how the song went through multiple versions, two cities, and nearly three scrapped attempts. They talk about trying to hold together wildly different ideas—from Nick Cave-inspired spoken word sections to a Kate Bush–style pop outro—and the challenge of making something cohesive out of sounds that didn’t seem to belong in the same world.

We also talk about:


The feeling of getting sick from your own song


Creative burnout caused by high expectations


How co-producer Andy Park helped salvage the track by remixing old material the band had abandoned


Why some songs only work when you finally let go

And in one of the episode’s most revealing moments, Jessica Dobson explains how a random writing exercise—based on the word “shovel”—led to some of the most vulnerable lyrics on the record, confronting her inner critic in a voice that was both joyful and aggressive. The result is a song that’s part destruction, part self-preservation.

The episode closes with a stripped-back live performance of “Shovel,” recorded at Third Man Records in London.

Artist: Deep Sea Diver
Song: “Shovel”
Album: Billboard Heart

Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji


Engineers: Max Walker (Mix) and Grant Frampton (Recording)
Creative Team: Callum Baker
Recording Location: Third Man Records, London

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji sits down with Deep Sea Diver at Third Man Records in Soho to unpack the complicated road behind their track &ldquo;Shovel.&rdquo;
It started out as the easiest song they&rsquo;d ever written&mdash;and nearly became the one that didn&rsquo;t make the record at all.
The band explains how the song went through multiple versions, two cities, and nearly three scrapped attempts. They talk about trying to hold together wildly different ideas&mdash;from Nick Cave-inspired spoken word sections to a Kate Bush&ndash;style pop outro&mdash;and the challenge of making something cohesive out of sounds that didn&rsquo;t seem to belong in the same world.
We also talk about:
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The feeling of getting sick from your own song
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Creative burnout caused by high expectations
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How co-producer Andy Park helped salvage the track by remixing old material the band had abandoned
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Why some songs only work when you finally let go
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</ul>
And in one of the episode&rsquo;s most revealing moments, Jessica Dobson explains how a random writing exercise&mdash;based on the word &ldquo;shovel&rdquo;&mdash;led to some of the most vulnerable lyrics on the record, confronting her inner critic in a voice that was both joyful and aggressive. The result is a song that&rsquo;s part destruction, part self-preservation.
The episode closes with a stripped-back live performance of &ldquo;Shovel,&rdquo; recorded at Third Man Records in London.
Artist: Deep Sea Diver Song: &ldquo;Shovel&rdquo; Album: Billboard Heart
Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji
 Engineers: Max Walker (Mix) and Grant Frampton (Recording) Creative Team: Callum Baker Recording Location: Third Man Records, London

Deep Sea Diver: “Shovel” — How to Rebuild a Song That’s Falling Apart

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji sits down with Sophie Jamieson to explore the writing of “How Do You Want to Be Loved?”, a delicate and emotionally loaded song from her album I Still Want To Share.

Unlike many of her songs, this one had a clear emotional target from the start — written for someone close to her, while navigating a mix of love, frustration, and grief. It wasn’t just a songwriting challenge. It was a personal risk: how do you tell the truth when the person it’s about might hear it?

Sophie talks about the careful balance of being honest without being hurtful, and how that shaped every line — especially when deciding how much anger to let through. She also reflects on the power of the outro, a section she says redefined the entire track and gave meaning to the rest of the album. 

We also talk about:


Writing a song mid-album and knowing it had to be included


When songwriting becomes emotional processing


How to finish a song when the person it’s about still matters to you


Why outros are where the truth often lands

The episode ends with an intimate live performance of “How Do You Want to Be Loved?”, recorded exclusively for The Hardest Part.

Artist: Sophie Jamieson
Song: “How Do You Want to Be Loved?”
Album: I Still Want To Share

 

Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji


Mix Engineer: Max Walker

Recording Engineer: Chris Goldsmith

Creative Team: Callum Baker (Photography), Giovanni Almonte (Videography)

Recording Studio: Thin White Duke Studios, London

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji sits down with Sophie Jamieson to explore the writing of &ldquo;How Do You Want to Be Loved?&rdquo;, a delicate and emotionally loaded song from her album I Still Want To Share.
Unlike many of her songs, this one had a clear emotional target from the start &mdash; written for someone close to her, while navigating a mix of love, frustration, and grief. It wasn&rsquo;t just a songwriting challenge. It was a personal risk: how do you tell the truth when the person it&rsquo;s about might hear it?
Sophie talks about the careful balance of being honest without being hurtful, and how that shaped every line &mdash; especially when deciding how much anger to let through. She also reflects on the power of the outro, a section she says redefined the entire track and gave meaning to the rest of the album.&nbsp;
We also talk about:
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Writing a song mid-album and knowing it had to be included
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When songwriting becomes emotional processing
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How to finish a song when the person it&rsquo;s about still matters to you
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Why outros are where the truth often lands
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</ul>
The episode ends with an intimate live performance of &ldquo;How Do You Want to Be Loved?&rdquo;, recorded exclusively for The Hardest Part.
Artist: Sophie Jamieson Song: &ldquo;How Do You Want to Be Loved?&rdquo; Album: I Still Want To Share
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Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji
 Mix Engineer: Max Walker
Recording Engineer: Chris Goldsmith
Creative Team: Callum Baker (Photography), Giovanni Almonte (Videography)
Recording Studio: Thin White Duke Studios, London

Sophie Jamieson: “How Do You Want to Be Loved?” — Songwriting and Honesty

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji is joined by Anna B Savage to unpack the long and winding process behind “Donegal,” a standout from her album You and i are Earth.

Anna reflects on her changing relationship to songwriting—from the painstaking process behind her early work to a more forgiving, open approach that still carries its own challenges. “Donegal” took over two years to finish, shaped by periods of creative block, ongoing emotional reckoning, and the pressure of articulating a feeling that hadn’t fully settled.

She talks through the tension of trying to write honestly about home, identity, and colonial history as an English person living in Ireland—and the discomfort that came with confronting what she hadn’t learned about her own past. The song explores the idea of home as both place and feeling, and how complicated that can become when personal desires meet historical realities.

Anna also shares how shifting the instrumentation—moving between guitar and piano—helped unlock parts of the track, and why rhythm was key to expressing its emotional core. We discuss how songwriting can capture a moment in time before you fully understand it, and why you don’t need clarity to be honest.

The episode ends with a stripped-back performance of “Donegal,” recorded live at Thin White Duke Studios in London.

Artist: Anna B Savage
Song: “Donegal”
Album: You and i are Earth

Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji

Recording and MixEngineers : Chris Goldsmith & Max Walker
Creative: Callum Baker
Recording Location: Thin White Duke Studios, London

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji is joined by Anna B Savage to unpack the long and winding process behind &ldquo;Donegal,&rdquo; a standout from her album You and i are Earth.
Anna reflects on her changing relationship to songwriting&mdash;from the painstaking process behind her early work to a more forgiving, open approach that still carries its own challenges. &ldquo;Donegal&rdquo; took over two years to finish, shaped by periods of creative block, ongoing emotional reckoning, and the pressure of articulating a feeling that hadn&rsquo;t fully settled.
She talks through the tension of trying to write honestly about home, identity, and colonial history as an English person living in Ireland&mdash;and the discomfort that came with confronting what she hadn&rsquo;t learned about her own past. The song explores the idea of home as both place and feeling, and how complicated that can become when personal desires meet historical realities.
Anna also shares how shifting the instrumentation&mdash;moving between guitar and piano&mdash;helped unlock parts of the track, and why rhythm was key to expressing its emotional core. We discuss how songwriting can capture a moment in time before you fully understand it, and why you don&rsquo;t need clarity to be honest.
The episode ends with a stripped-back performance of &ldquo;Donegal,&rdquo; recorded live at Thin White Duke Studios in London.
Artist: Anna B Savage Song: &ldquo;Donegal&rdquo; Album: You and i are Earth
Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji
Recording and MixEngineers : Chris Goldsmith &amp; Max Walker Creative: Callum Baker Recording Location: Thin White Duke Studios, London

Anna B Savage: “Donegal” — Writing Through Creative Block and Emotional Uncertainty

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji is joined by London band Famous to unpack the writing of “Leaving Tottenham,” a climactic and emotionally charged track from their debut album Party Album.

The band’s frontman opens up about the long and often painful process behind the song—one that wrestled with personal embarrassment, grand ambition, and the frustration of trying to make private feelings mean something beyond the self.

“Leaving Tottenham” started as a raw reaction to seeing an ex and evolved into something much harder to finish: a song that tries to hold both heartbreak and philosophy in the same space. He reflects on the danger of writing confessional music that feels self-absorbed, and how he tried to reconcile that with a deeper desire for meaning and universality—without falling into false grandiosity.

We talk through the song’s two strands of writing, the line he calls the hardest he’s ever had to finish, and the influence of theology, Turner’s painting The Angel Standing in the Sun, and the idea that “real life starts outside of time.”

The episode ends with a stripped-back live performance of “Leaving Tottenham,” highlighting the delivery and nuance behind a song that—flawed or not—was written to matter.

Since recording this episode, Famous have announced they’ll be taking a farewell (for now), with their final show happening at London’s ICA on October 2nd. They'll also be releasing two final songs. This conversation—and the stripped-back performance—feels like a quiet full stop to a band that always reached for something bigger than the moment.

Artist: Famous
Song: “Leaving Tottenham”
Album: Party Album

Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji

Recording Engineer: Max Walker
Creative: Callum Baker
Recording Location: Thin White Duke Studios, London

In this episode of&nbsp;The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji is joined by London band Famous to unpack the writing of &ldquo;Leaving Tottenham,&rdquo; a climactic and emotionally charged track from their debut album Party Album.
The band&rsquo;s frontman opens up about the long and often painful process behind the song&mdash;one that wrestled with personal embarrassment, grand ambition, and the frustration of trying to make private feelings mean something beyond the self.
&ldquo;Leaving Tottenham&rdquo; started as a raw reaction to seeing an ex and evolved into something much harder to finish: a song that tries to hold both heartbreak and philosophy in the same space. He reflects on the danger of writing confessional music that feels self-absorbed, and how he tried to reconcile that with a deeper desire for meaning and universality&mdash;without falling into false grandiosity.
We talk through the song&rsquo;s two strands of writing, the line he calls the hardest he&rsquo;s ever had to finish, and the influence of theology, Turner&rsquo;s painting The Angel Standing in the Sun, and the idea that &ldquo;real life starts outside of time.&rdquo;
The episode ends with a stripped-back live performance of &ldquo;Leaving Tottenham,&rdquo; highlighting the delivery and nuance behind a song that&mdash;flawed or not&mdash;was written to matter.
Since recording this episode, Famous have announced they&rsquo;ll be taking a farewell (for now), with their final show happening at London&rsquo;s ICA on October 2nd. They'll also be releasing two final songs. This conversation&mdash;and the stripped-back performance&mdash;feels like a quiet full stop to a band that always reached for something bigger than the moment.
Artist: Famous Song: &ldquo;Leaving Tottenham&rdquo; Album: Party Album
Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji
Recording Engineer: Max Walker Creative: Callum Baker Recording Location: Thin White Duke Studios, London

Famous: “Leaving Tottenham” — The Technical Challenge of Confessional Writing and the Fear It Might Not Matter

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji sits down with Devi Mambouka, the artist and music producer who performs as Masma Dream World, to explore the deeply spiritual and emotionally raw process behind the making of her art.

Unlike traditional songwriting, Devi's process is entirely intuitive—a sonic ritual guided by the goddess Kali, whose presence she channels through daily meditation, field recordings, and unplanned studio improvisation. She describes the act not as writing, but as receiving: “I just do what she asks me to do.”

Alongside longtime collaborator and engineer Chris Weiss, she crafts in real time—often without speaking—communicating through a shared, cultivated intuition. Devi shares how the trust between them allows her to stay fully immersed in the ritual while Chris captures and translates the message into form.

But the hardest part didn’t happen in the studio. Devi opens up about the spiritual crisis that led her to the brink of suicide—and the moment of divine intervention that brought her back. What began as an attempt to make a dub record became a vessel for transformation—guided by light, grief, and the persistence of the spirit.

Artist: Masma Dream World (Devi Mambouka)

Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji

Recording Engineer: Max Walker

Creative: Callum Baker

Recording Location: Thin White Duke Studios, London

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji sits down with Devi Mambouka, the artist and music producer who performs as Masma Dream World, to explore the deeply spiritual and emotionally raw process behind the making of her art.
Unlike traditional songwriting, Devi's process is entirely intuitive&mdash;a sonic ritual guided by the goddess Kali, whose presence she channels through daily meditation, field recordings, and unplanned studio improvisation. She describes the act not as writing, but as receiving: &ldquo;I just do what she asks me to do.&rdquo;
Alongside longtime collaborator and engineer Chris Weiss, she crafts in real time&mdash;often without speaking&mdash;communicating through a shared, cultivated intuition. Devi shares how the trust between them allows her to stay fully immersed in the ritual while Chris captures and translates the message into form.
But the hardest part didn&rsquo;t happen in the studio. Devi opens up about the spiritual crisis that led her to the brink of suicide&mdash;and the moment of divine intervention that brought her back. What began as an attempt to make a dub record became a vessel for transformation&mdash;guided by light, grief, and the persistence of the spirit.
Artist: Masma Dream World (Devi Mambouka)
Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji
Recording Engineer: Max Walker
Creative: Callum Baker
Recording Location: Thin White Duke Studios, London

Masma Dream World: “Please Come to Me” — Sound as Ritual, Trusting the Process, and Surviving the Threshold

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji is joined by Australian group Folk Bitch Trio to reflect on the long, messy road to finishing “Sarah,” a song that was nearly cut from their debut album Now Would Be a Good Time.

What began as a heartbreak-fueled acoustic track quickly became the most difficult song to finish—emotionally, technically, and collaboratively. Written in isolation, reworked through voice memos, and road-tested live, “Sarah” was put to bed more than once, only to be revived through a mix of persistence, instinct, and radical feedback.

The trio open up about their internal songwriting process—how the safest space for vulnerability is also where the most brutal honesty lives. They talk about the difference between writing for yourself and writing for a band, how cringe can become clarity, and why trusting each other enough to say “that’s not your best work” might be the only way forward.

The episode ends with a live version of “Sarah.”

Artist: Folk Bitch Trio
Song: “Sarah”
Album: Now Would Be a Good Time

Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji 

Recording Engineer: Chris Goldsmith
Mix Engineer: Max Walker
Creative Team: Callum Baker & Giovanni Almonte
Recording Location: Thin White Duke Studios, London

In this episode of&nbsp;The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji is joined by Australian group Folk Bitch Trio to reflect on the long, messy road to finishing &ldquo;Sarah,&rdquo; a song that was nearly cut from their debut album&nbsp;Now Would Be a Good Time.
What began as a heartbreak-fueled acoustic track quickly became the most difficult song to finish&mdash;emotionally, technically, and collaboratively. Written in isolation, reworked through voice memos, and road-tested live, &ldquo;Sarah&rdquo; was put to bed more than once, only to be revived through a mix of persistence, instinct, and radical feedback.
The trio open up about their internal songwriting process&mdash;how the safest space for vulnerability is also where the most brutal honesty lives. They talk about the difference between writing for yourself and writing for a band, how cringe can become clarity, and why trusting each other enough to say &ldquo;that&rsquo;s not your best work&rdquo;&nbsp;might be the only way forward.
The episode ends with a live version of &ldquo;Sarah.&rdquo;
Artist: Folk Bitch Trio Song: &ldquo;Sarah&rdquo; Album:&nbsp;Now Would Be a Good Time
Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji&nbsp;
Recording Engineer: Chris Goldsmith Mix Engineer: Max Walker Creative Team: Callum Baker &amp; Giovanni Almonte Recording Location: Thin White Duke Studios, London

Folk Bitch Trio: “Sarah” — How to Bring a Song Back from the Brink — and the Importance of Brutal Honesty in Songwriting

In this episode of The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji is joined by Bria Salmena to unpack the winding creative journey behind “Closer to You,” a standout track from her debut solo album Big Dog.

Written across two cities—Bria in Los Angeles, Duncan Hay Jennings in Toronto—the song came to life through long-distance collaboration and relentless back-and-forth. What started as an acoustic skeleton became a hybrid of organic and electronic textures, reshaped again and again as Bria searched for the right emotional tone. But the hardest part? Landing the chorus. Or even deciding if it was a chorus. Bria reflects on the frustration of not finding that “aha” moment and how letting go of control, embracing creative blocks, and learning to trust the process ultimately allowed the song to take its final form.

She also shares how the lyric “move me closer to you” evolved from a call toward someone else into a deeper pull inward—and how working with Meg Remy on vocal production helped her reconnect to the emotional core of her writing.The episode closes with a stripped-back live session.

Artist: Bria Salmena
Song: “Closer to You”
Album: Big Dog

Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji

Recording Engineer: Chris Goldsmith
Mix Engineer: Max Walker
Creative: Callum Baker
Recording Location: Thin White Duke Studios, London

In this episode of&nbsp;The Hardest Part, host Kieron Banerji is joined by Bria Salmena to unpack the winding creative journey behind &ldquo;Closer to You,&rdquo; a standout track from her debut solo album&nbsp;Big Dog.
Written across two cities&mdash;Bria in Los Angeles, Duncan Hay Jennings in Toronto&mdash;the song came to life through long-distance collaboration and relentless back-and-forth. What started as an acoustic skeleton became a hybrid of organic and electronic textures, reshaped again and again as Bria searched for the right emotional tone. But the hardest part? Landing the chorus. Or even deciding if it&nbsp;was&nbsp;a chorus. Bria reflects on the frustration of not finding that &ldquo;aha&rdquo; moment and how letting go of control, embracing creative blocks, and learning to trust the process ultimately allowed the song to take its final form.
She also shares how the lyric &ldquo;move me closer to you&rdquo;&nbsp;evolved from a call toward someone else into a deeper pull inward&mdash;and how working with Meg Remy on vocal production helped her reconnect to the emotional core of her writing.The episode closes with a stripped-back live session.
Artist: Bria Salmena Song: &ldquo;Closer to You&rdquo; Album:&nbsp;Big Dog
Host and Executive Producer: Kieron Banerji
Recording Engineer: Chris Goldsmith Mix Engineer: Max Walker Creative: Callum Baker Recording Location: Thin White Duke Studios, London

Bria Salmena: “Closer to You” — Creative Blocks, Remote Recordings, and a Chorus That Wouldn’t Land

Hosted by Kieron Banerji, The Hardest Part dives deep into the most challenging songs ever written. Every two weeks, an artist joins Kieron in the studio to break down the struggles, breakthroughs, and raw emotions behind their toughest songwriting experiences. From overcoming creative blocks to tapping into painful memories, these conversations reveal the delicate balance between self-expression and self-protection.

Each episode wraps with an exclusive live performance of the song—raw, real, and sometimes heard this way for the first time.

Follow the Hardest Part wherever you get your podcasts, and watch footage from the show on our YouTube and socials.

Hosted by Kieron Banerji,&nbsp;The Hardest Part dives deep into the most challenging songs ever written. Every two weeks, an artist joins Kieron in the studio to break down the struggles, breakthroughs, and raw emotions behind their toughest songwriting experiences. From overcoming creative blocks to tapping into painful memories, these conversations reveal the delicate balance between self-expression and self-protection.
Each episode wraps with an exclusive live performance of the song&mdash;raw, real, and sometimes heard this way for the first time.
Follow the Hardest Part wherever you get your podcasts, and watch footage from the show on our YouTube and socials.

The Hardest Part

Hosted by Kieron Banerji, The Hardest Part dives deep into the most challenging songs ever written. Every week, an artist joins Kieron in the studio to break down the struggles, breakthroughs, and raw emotions behind their toughest songwriting experiences. From overcoming creative blocks to tapping into painful memories, these conversations reveal the delicate balance between self-expression and self-protection.

Each episode wraps with an exclusive live performance of the song—raw, real, and sometimes heard this way for the first time.

Follow the Hardest Part wherever you get your podcasts, and watch footage from the show on our YouTube and socials.

Hosted by Kieron Banerji, The Hardest Part dives deep into the most challenging songs ever written. Every week, an artist joins Kieron in the studio to break down the struggles, breakthroughs, and raw emotions behind their toughest songwriting experiences. From overcoming creative blocks to tapping into painful memories, these conversations reveal the delicate balance between self-expression and self-protection.
Each episode wraps with an exclusive live performance of the song—raw, real, and sometimes heard this way for the first time.
Follow the Hardest Part wherever you get your podcasts, and watch footage from the show on our YouTube and socials.

The Hardest Part

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