Bethaney B. Wilkinson is a writer, spiritual director, podcaster, and facilitator who is passionate about slow, sustainable, and soul-nourishing living. Her new book is A More Beautiful Way to Live: Nine Practices to Unlearn Habits of Anxiety, Fear, and Urgency. In this episode, Bethaney and Jonathan Roger talk about tending to your inner terrain, paying attention to your longings while also paying attention to realities and limitations, and the difference between your sphere of influence and your sphere of concern.

Bethaney B. Wilkinson is a writer, spiritual director, podcaster, and facilitator who is passionate about slow, sustainable, and soul-nourishing living. Her new book is <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/a-more-beautiful-way-to-live-nine-practices-to-unlearn-habits-of-anxiety-fear-and-urgency-bethaney-b-wilkinson/72512d28b2198be0?ean=9781587436581&amp;next=t">A More Beautiful Way to Live: Nine Practices to Unlearn Habits of Anxiety, Fear, and Urgency</a>. In this episode, Bethaney and Jonathan Roger talk about tending to your inner terrain, paying attention to your longings while also paying attention to realities and limitations, and the difference between your sphere of influence and your sphere of concern.

Bethaney Wilkinson's More Beautiful Way to Live

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Wesley Vander Lugt  is a pastor, theologian, writer, teacher, nonprofit leader, and arts advocate with a passion for beauty, slowness, cultivation, and kinship. He currently works as the Acting Director of the Leighton Ford Center for Theology, the Arts, and Gospel Witness and is Adjunct Professor of Theology at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in Charlotte. He is also the Co-Founder of Kinship Plot, a community of learning and practice imagining and embodying resonant relationships of every kind. His new book is Beauty Is Oxygen: Finding a Faith that Breathes. In this episode, Wes and Jonathan Rogers discuss just how necessary beauty is.

This episode originally aired in June of 2024.

Wesley Vander Lugt&nbsp; is a pastor, theologian, writer, teacher, nonprofit leader, and arts advocate with a passion for beauty, slowness, cultivation, and kinship. He currently works as the Acting Director of the Leighton Ford Center for Theology, the Arts, and Gospel Witness and is Adjunct Professor of Theology at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in Charlotte. He is also the Co-Founder of Kinship Plot, a community of learning and practice imagining and embodying resonant relationships of every kind. His new book is <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/beauty-is-oxygen-finding-a-faith-that-breathes-wesley-vander-lugt/21003366?ean=9780802883254">Beauty Is Oxygen: Finding a Faith that Breathes</a>. In this episode, Wes and Jonathan Rogers discuss just how necessary beauty is.
This episode originally aired in June of 2024.

Wesley Vander Lugt Breathes Beauty (from the Archives)

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Becca Jordan has referred to herself as a wandering songbird. She’s a singer-songwriter, a writer of essays, and a worship leader in Nashville. She is also working on a Masters Degree in Theopoetics. Becca was our guest at The Habit’s 2026 Winter Writer’s Weekend. The theme of that weekend was “Adding to the Glory.” Becca is an artist who has put a lot of glory into the world in a lot of different ways, so she seemed like an obvious fit. This conversation was recorded in front of a roomful of writers. In this episode, Becca and Jonathan Rogers talk about glory, longing, and related topics.

<a href="https://www.beccajordanmusic.com/">Becca Jordan</a> has referred to herself as a wandering songbird. She&rsquo;s a singer-songwriter, <a href="https://beccajordan.substack.com/">a writer of essays</a>, and a worship leader in Nashville. She is also working on a Masters Degree in Theopoetics. Becca was our guest at The Habit&rsquo;s 2026 Winter Writer&rsquo;s Weekend. The theme of that weekend was &ldquo;Adding to the Glory.&rdquo; Becca is an artist who has put a lot of glory into the world in a lot of different ways, so she seemed like an obvious fit. This conversation was recorded in front of a roomful of writers. In this episode, Becca and Jonathan Rogers talk about glory, longing, and related topics.

Becca Jordan Adds Glory to the World

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Curt Thompson is a psychiatrist, a speaker, and the author of several books–most recently, The Deepest Place: Suffering and the Formation of Hope. In this episode, Curt and Jonathan Rogers talk about what it means to be hospitable to your own suffering, engaging suffering as the way of redemption, and the role of storytelling in mental and spiritual health.

This episode originally ran in August 2023.

Curt Thompson is a psychiatrist, a speaker, and the author of several books&ndash;most recently, <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-deepest-place-suffering-and-the-formation-of-hope-curt-thompson/19235737?ean=9780310366478">The Deepest Place: Suffering and the Formation of Hope</a>. In this episode, Curt and Jonathan Rogers talk about what it means to be hospitable to your own suffering, engaging suffering as the way of redemption, and the role of storytelling in mental and spiritual health.
This episode originally ran in August 2023.

Curt Thompson Goes to the Deepest Place (from the Archives)

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Andrew Roycroft is a freelance editor and writer. He has published poetry in a number of Irish and British literary journals, has produced work for BBC Radio 4, has contributed to Arts Council Northern Ireland projects, and written commissioned work for New Irish Arts. Andrew is also a regular contributor to the Rabbit Room Poetry community. His Substack is New Grub Street. In this episode, Andrew and Jonathan Rogers talk about calling, Substack, and Seamus Heaney.

Andrew Roycroft is a freelance editor and writer. He has published poetry in a number of Irish and British literary journals, has produced work for BBC Radio 4, has contributed to Arts Council Northern Ireland projects, and written commissioned work for New Irish Arts. Andrew is also a regular contributor to the Rabbit Room Poetry community. His Substack is <a href="https://andrewroycroft.substack.com/">New Grub Street</a>. In this episode, Andrew and Jonathan Rogers talk about calling, Substack, and Seamus Heaney.

Andrew Roycroft's Calling Hasn't Changed.

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Marsh Moyle is an interesting man. He’s an Englishman but he grew up in Malta. He and his wife Tuula lived for 17 years in Vienna when the Iron Curtain divided Europe. There they organised book translation and distribution while researching the beliefs, practices, and problems of life under communism. In the post-communist period, they lived in Slovakia for 16 years, establishing publishing houses in seven countries. They also ran a learning community and held seminars with student groups in Central Europe, Russia, and Ukraine, committed to awakening the imagination, encouragng critical thinking, and fostering a deeper practical understanding of biblical ideas. Marsh is the author of Rumours of a Better Country: Searching for Trust and Community in a Time of Moral Outrage. In this episode, Marsh and Jonathan Rogers talk about utopianism, individualism, and the surprising truth that we can only be our true, distinct selves when our selves are shaped by the people around us.

Marsh Moyle is an interesting man. He&rsquo;s an Englishman but he grew up in Malta. He and his wife Tuula lived for 17 years in Vienna when the Iron Curtain divided Europe. There they organised book translation and distribution while researching the beliefs, practices, and problems of life under communism. In the post-communist period, they lived in Slovakia for 16 years, establishing publishing houses in seven countries. They also ran a learning community and held seminars with student groups in Central Europe, Russia, and Ukraine, committed to awakening the imagination, encouragng critical thinking, and fostering a deeper practical understanding of biblical ideas. Marsh is the author of <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/rumours-of-a-better-country-searching-for-trust-and-community-in-a-time-of-moral-outrage-marsh-moyle/40184f181d06f686?ean=9781789744675&amp;next=t">Rumours of a Better Country: Searching for Trust and Community in a Time of Moral Outrage</a>. In this episode, Marsh and Jonathan Rogers talk about utopianism, individualism, and the surprising truth that we can only be our true, distinct selves when our selves are shaped by the people around us.

Marsh Moyle Spreads Rumours of a Better Country

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This week's episode is an old favorite from 2024. Leif Enger writes novels about good people living through bad times. His new book, I Cheerfully Refuse, epitomizes what the Los Angeles Tines calls Enger's “musical, sometimes magical and deeply satisfying kind of storytelling.” In this episode, Leif Enger and Jonathan Rogers talk about dystopian fiction; courage, literacy, and hope; and the bass guitar.

This week's episode is an old favorite from 2024. Leif Enger writes novels about good people living through bad times. His new book,&nbsp;I Cheerfully Refuse, epitomizes what the Los Angeles Tines calls Enger's &ldquo;musical, sometimes magical and deeply satisfying kind of storytelling.&rdquo; In this episode, Leif Enger and Jonathan Rogers talk about dystopian fiction; courage, literacy, and hope; and the bass guitar.

Leif Enger on I Cheerfully Refuse (from the archives)

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Joyce McPherson has written ten biographies–as well as several middle-grade novels–in 45 minute increments snatched from a busy life as a mother of nine and as a college instructor. Her most recent book is a biography of Jane Austen. In this episode, Joyce McPherson and Jonathan Rogers talk about how her mother convinced her to start writing for publication when she had two small children. We talk about research for biographies and historical fiction. And we talk about Joyce’s experiences with both traditional publishing and self-publishing.

<a href="https://joyce-mcpherson.blogspot.com/">Joyce McPherson</a> has written ten biographies&ndash;as well as several middle-grade novels&ndash;in 45 minute increments snatched from a busy life as a mother of nine and as a college instructor. Her most recent book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F8WK2ZTQ?ref_=pe_93986420_775043100">a biography of Jane Austen</a>. In this episode, Joyce McPherson and Jonathan Rogers talk about how her mother convinced her to start writing for publication when she had two small children. We talk about research for biographies and historical fiction. And we talk about Joyce&rsquo;s experiences with both traditional publishing and self-publishing.

Joyce McPherson Writes Books 45 Minutes at a Time

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Winfield Bevins is an author, a visual artist, and the founding director of Creo Arts, a non-profit that exists to bring beauty, goodness, and truth to the world through the arts. His new book is How Beauty Will Save the World: Recovering the Power of the Arts for the Christian Life. In this episode, Winfield and Jonathan Rogers talk about how beauty will save the world. They also talk about a modern Renaissance of the arts, moving from beauty to truth, and making space for Sabbath rest.

Winfield Bevins is an author, a visual artist, and the founding director of <a href="https://www.creoarts.org/">Creo Arts</a>, a non-profit that exists to bring beauty, goodness, and truth to the world through the arts. His new book is <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/how-beauty-will-save-the-world-recovering-the-power-of-the-arts-for-the-christian-life-winfield-bevins/f6e3c5064b0ddec3?ean=9781964817101&amp;next=t">How Beauty Will Save the World: Recovering the Power of the Arts for the Christian Life</a>. In this episode, Winfield and Jonathan Rogers talk about how beauty will save the world. They also talk about a modern Renaissance of the arts, moving from beauty to truth, and making space for Sabbath rest.

Winfield Bevins Thinks Beauty Will Save the World

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Daniel Nayeri’s latest novel—The Teacher of Nomad Land: A World War II Story—recently received the National Book Award for Young People’s Literature. In this episode Daniel speaks with Jonathan Rogers about Iran’s role in World War II, food writing, fathers, providence, the wisdom of children, and incompetent spies.

This episode is sponsored by The Habit Writer Development Cohorts, a six-week small-group intensive starting January 12. The Habit Writer Development Cohorts provide practical tools, insights, and encouragement that writers at all experience levels. 

Daniel Nayeri&rsquo;s latest novel&mdash;<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-teacher-of-nomad-land-a-world-war-ii-story-daniel-nayeri/d254bd270f6ddc78?ean=9781646145669&amp;next=t">The Teacher of Nomad Land: A World War II Story</a>&mdash;recently received the National Book Award for Young People&rsquo;s Literature. In this episode Daniel speaks with Jonathan Rogers about Iran&rsquo;s role in World War II, food writing, fathers, providence, the wisdom of children, and incompetent spies.
This episode is sponsored by <a href="TheHabit.co/Cohorts">The Habit Writer Development Cohorts</a>, a six-week small-group intensive starting January 12. The Habit Writer Development Cohorts provide practical tools, insights, and encouragement that writers at all experience levels.&nbsp;

Daniel Nayeri on The Teacher of Nomad Land

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