National has unveiled new fiscal rules promising tighter spending, lower debt and no new taxes on working New Zealanders. But Taxpayers’ Union executive director Jordan Williams argues much of it repackages existing policy and questions whether the Government has delivered on its earlier promises to rein in spending and return to surplus.

He joins Chelsea Daniels to discuss government debt, where meaningful spending cuts could come from, what actually counts as a tax, and whether National’s new language around “working people” risks muddying its election pitch on tax.