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Welcome back to the Fish Tank presented by iHeartRadio right here on the Miami Dolphins Podcast Network, Seth Lovitt and the man with the best hands in the podcast business, O J. McDuffie juice. Today is a big day and I'm talking big Yes.
It is, Yes, it is.
And you know what, big Seth, you talk about me having the best hands in the podcast game, This guy was really in the podcast game that we have on. His hands are pretty spectacular as well, bro hands feed right now, his feet, his hands were outstanding.
There was a lot of outstanding, In fact, I would say a lot of Hall of Fame worthy play from this gentleman right here. Richmond Webb diving back into the tank for the first time since two since twenty twenty? Is that possible?
Yeah? How about that?
What's happening, big fella?
It's been a minute now, you know, big fella like me, don't dive. I just I kind of just stick my feet in the water. You know, well, you and I can't just I can't just dive in. I gotta I gotta step in, I gotta ease in there. How y'all doing this for.
We're doing great. And based on what you told us the last time you were on, I went back and listened to it. You told us that you can't dive in then, because you said you will sink like a rock. That's what you told us.
Ain't nothing changed, but the countdar date, it's still the same.
Well, you are not sinking, my friend. You are soaring. So we're we're so excited to have you back on. And I know you've been on the circuit. I know you've gosh, just in the last we were just saying, in the last eighteen hours or so, you you've had a handful of interviews. So we appreciate you squeezing Juice and eye in.
Don't do that. Don't do that. I warned you about this yesterday.
I should have knew every time you and Juice get together, I'm the target and I'm not hard to miss.
So I'm like, okay, I'm just having a vest all today. So we got it on all right. We just said, yeah, I said you are the target today. Bro.
Absolutely, I think I'm ready. I don't know, because I don't know what y'all gott to. Y'all leave, so let me slow down a little bit. I think I'm ready, but I don't know.
All right, well, big self, let's kick this thing off right, man, Right, let's kick it off the way we need to. It's just a huge congratulations on being named, you know, one of twenty five modern era semi finalist Big Webby for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty five.
This is obviously long, long, long overdue, man, but here we are.
We're ready to go, right, So tell us exactly. You know where you were when you found out, how you found out, and you know what did you feel in that moment, webb Man. The way I normally find out it is, you know, every morning I get up and so I get up, I turn the TV. I don't get ready to start watching like Good Morning America, and start making my coffee. And then the next thing I do is grab my cell phone and I start getting a lot of notifications on x Twitter, you know, congratulations, this and that, and so then that sparks my interests and then I go on and then I see people saying congratulations, you made the semi finance lists. And then once I see that, then I go to make sure it's verified rather than just people posting stuff.
And then so I kind of found out. That's how I found out.
It's like social media always beats me to the punch, so I'm one of the last ones. And then so I was like, okay, this is you know, for me, this is huge because this is the first time I've ever made the semi finance and so it's definitely an honored you know, you're excited, you know, you share that with your family, but then you know, it's humbling because I think, you know, when you look at the people that's on the list and then to make it to five, which is accomplishment in itself, and then to see how people are really truly happy that you made it on social media, the congratulations stuff like that, it can be overwhelmed. And that's how I found out. And man, I was truly happy because I've never made it this far before.
Unfortunately, yeah, it makes no sense to us, but.
Yeah, we'll try not to go to well, you know, we might just express we might have to big set. But you were clearly humbled because, man, you put out that video, which it just was typical Richmond right Jews. I mean, you know you put up that video, but I could I felt that I could hear in your voice there was you know, it was very meaningful. It's not like, oh yeah, I should have been here. You didn't have that energy at all. It was very meaningful for you to be named the semi finals.
Yeah, you know, even you know last year, you know, we had went up for Zack's induction and then I went for the actual induction and go at dinner the night before. But I saw on Twitter where he even mentioned, you know, as far as the next Dolphin guy going in.
You know, he mentioned me in. You know, he talked about how you know he doesn't talk a lot and this and that, but you know, really a great player. So Zach JT.
Those guys they were you know, a lot younger than me when I when it came to the Dolphins bit to have to respect to your teammates, I think for me, that's that just gives me the up the reward because those guys that you played with, those guys you went to war with, you know, this and that, And when I heard that, I was like, wow, you know, I appreciate that because that was not like a tweet or text. Hey man, when you get in there, mention me or whatever, and I don't even have Zach's number and then.
He'll change it on you anyway, Richmond.
But then when I came down for the home opener, I was leaving the stadium.
The first guy runs up to me give me a big hug is Zach and we took a big picture.
So, you know, it's the camaraderie.
You know, the guys, you know, Juice Kirby, you know, they came out that weekend before He's got my t shirt on that they kind of designed to help promote me. So it's the little things like that that truly, you know, touch my heart and mean a lot because those I know, everybody's busy in this net, and when people take time out to try to celebrate you and help you get you know what everybody feels is deserving.
That's what means a lot to me.
Yeah, it makes all the sense in the world.
Man.
But you talked about your teammates, and we're going to talk about guys that you played with and certainly the guy that you protected, but for very good reason. Anytime someone mentions the name Richmond Webb, the name Bruce Smith comes up as well, right, And I can assure you that that's going to happen again today because you know, Bruce wasn't the only guy you ever played against in your thirteen NFL seasons, but he was the guy had two inner sacks, right, He's the all times sacked leader, And the fact that you were brought in to play against Bruce Smith, we got to have that conversation. So it You know, the last time you're on the show, you told us about your rookie year and the gauntlet of pass rushers you had to face, and you're like, look, yes, I had to face Bruce Smith, but I also had to face all these other dudes. And I think it's important for us to cover it, even though we talked about it four years ago, especially with where you're at right now as a semi finalist, it's important to discuss the gauntlet of pass rushers that you had to face and how you were so dominant from the time you stepped foot in the National Football League. So let's talk about this your rookie season selected as a Pro Bowler by your peers after your rookie season. It doesn't happen a lot at your position. In fact, I think you were only the second guy at the time to be selected as a left tackle Pro Bowl starter, and so that in and of itself is an accomplishment. But you start off the preseason Richard Dent and the Bears, right, Clyde Simmons and the Eagles, throwing a little Carl Mecklenberg of the Broncos in your third game, which is the one that most closely resembles, or at least at that time, would most closely resemble what you know, an actual full game would be like. So you got your fair share of Carl Mecklenburg, and then you close the preseason out with Chris Dolman of the Vikings, you know what I mean. And so so if we look at that list JeOS, there's two Hall of famers in that crew, four hundred and eighty eight and a half combined career sacks with those four guys, and it's just the preseason. And oh, by the way, here's young Richmond Webb. Tried to beg buddy Ryan to let him, you know, work out as a guard. You know, it wasn't even right, and so you're just getting your first reps as an NFL player. One sack. Those four guys combined for one sack in the preseason, so I want to put that out there. Then we get to the regular season. Andre Tippett, the Patriots, Bruce Smith, Lawrence Taylor, perhaps you've heard of him, Greg Lloyd, Greg Townsend, a pissed off Clyde Simmons because he already had to play in the preseason. What the hell are we talking about here right now? Richmond? Talk about this, this welcome to the NFL experience and having to face one legendary pass rusher after the next.
Yeah, I'm glad we're doing this show in the morning rather than at night with y'all. Y'all giving me nightmares again and I didn't get a pretty good night's sleep, So I'm glad we're doing this in the morning. But it just shows you how tough and you know, every week it's a guy and I was even mentioned, you know, Dwayne Bickott from Indianapolis.
That was another guy.
Jeff Logerman from the Jets. You know, everybody had that, that type of guy and just knew that, and I was a previous defensive lineman when when I first went to A and M, so as a defensive lineman, you know, the mentality is anytime you get a sack on the quarterback, you know that's a notch in your belt. And not just any quarterback, but damn Marino. That was That was one because a lot of times, you know, he was one of the quarterbacks at that time. You know, I put him Jim Kelly l Way Montana. It was a lead of the elitist group. And it was a different level back then because then what was now because you could hit him or whatever.
You know, you can't hardly touch him as much as as back when we play it was. It was different. So you really had to be on your p's and q's.
And the last thing getting drafted by the Dolphins, you know, Marino was already a legend when me and Keith got there, so Coach Shutter had a lot of faith and trust in us to put us on his blind side. And last thing I wanted to do was I didn't want to be remembered as that guy that gets a legend hurt. So that was a huge motivation for me. But Yeah, it didn't take long after going through the preseason that every week it's going to be you know, another guy, another guy. And then we went to the playoffs and then I played against Derrick Thomas and I was like, it just don't stop, because you're right said this. It's not just Bruce Smith. I put Bruce Smith and Reggie White kind of class by themselves, Hall of famers all over and it doesn't stop.
It doesn't stop. But you made it. You know, your last stop of that season was in Hawaii, you were in the Pro Bowl. Was there a after all of that, you know, and you can take a deep breath, maybe was there any kind of feeling of like, man, I've arrived, I can do this.
Yeah.
I think it was a feeling of that. But I think for me my first trip over there, I believe it was me, Clayton and Tree, Parol Edmonds. We were the three representeds from the Dolphins that year, and to go over and meet guys because you don't have a lot of interaction after the game, but you know, really see some of the veterans and for me being a rookie, seeing how you know, they came up and you know, I got a chance to interact with the best of the best at such an early age, and how they respected my game and gave me tips and saying, you know, keep working on this and and this and that.
That.
That's what was. I was in hog heaven over there because you get to meet so many people, and I can remember I can remember being.
Over there, and even like Reggie White, Reggie White came to my high school when I was in high school, and then I got to tell that story to him. He might didn't remember, but it was just how things become full circle and and and you just never know how things are gonna turn out.
So it was, man, that was the best thing. And then I can remember when Coach Eule.
Named the guys that made the pro bawl and saved me for last, and how everybody was truly happy, and I was like I had to drop my head because I couldn't believe it. But then you know, you kind of blush. I didn't have no poker face back then, so just way my teammates that that meant a lot. So that was truly an inspiration. I'll never forget those days.
That was great, you know, and what a lot of people don't realize because they see the Pro Bowl way differently now than they did when we viewed it when you played, you know, especially your rookie year, because think about this back then, you know, the Pro Bowl came after the Super Bowl. So people that opt out of the Pro Bowl like they do now, they don't get down to like Seth and I talked about earlier, the fifteenth Alternate and anything, these are the best guys of the season that played at a high level. They don't get you know that when you made the Pro Bowl, you were that dude. You weren't a guy that had other guys opt out or guys that are playing in the Super Bowl and couldn't play in it and things like that.
So this was the best of the best. When you were in the Pro Bowl, it was the best of the best. And then the other thing, you know, you could appreciate. Like you said, I think guys don't look at it the same way we did now. It's almost like they don't even wear any pads or anything. But I can remember Buffalo went to the Super Bowl. They lost, but those guys showed up, played and competed for the AFC. It was a big thing between the AFC and NFC and you it's just not viewed or whatever. It's kind of sad, but it just really kind of spiraled down. And when I first went over there, the winner got ten thousand and the loser got five thousand if you if you lost the game.
But I don't know what they pay now. I'm sure it's more, but oh, it was way more than that. Way you'd be upset them on the Winter Losers cut down, bro.
But I think the thing is that salaries have escalated so much that guys really don't value and just say, well, I think we just viewed it different back then, so we had an appreciation of it was an honor, it was a ward, and you wanted to go represent your organization and then your conference against the other conferences. And I'm kind of sad that it's dwindled down to what it is now. But yeah, we took that series back then.
Yeah, no, doinite big stup.
I want to go back to that list you're just talking about before we got into that the Pro Bowl part, man, and you know, it was like this this list you were talking about, you had to go through this your entire career, man as a left tackle and especially in that era where you were always going to face the team's best pass rusher.
That was the thing.
And you know, we can say whatever we want, but we know the Dolphins draft you to take care of Bruce Smith. I know you know that's what it was, because that left tackle was and still is a premium position. But as Seth said earlier, man, when it comes to your play, all roads must lead back to that other number seventy eight. You know, the guy in the blue and red that we still we love him, but we hated him at that point. That's Bruce Smith. And you did your think against him big well. I mean, fourteen games against the NFL's all time sack leader, a guy who had over two hundred career sacks or whatever it might be, and you only gave up three and a half sacks. Man, how clear was it made to you that your number one responsibility you said it before, was to keep that guy off Dann Marino? And then how were you able to do so such a high level against someone that was virtually unstoppable by the rest.
Of the league.
It was sixty minutes of hell, and everybody focused on the fact, you know, he was really good against the run game, whether you were running adding trying to cut him off.
He was just a nice may you know.
It was just like if you had a bad play, you had to forget about it because he was right back, older and he's looking and you know, he's chumping a bit to try to, you know, disrupt things. And he was that type of player that if he made a big enough play, he could swing the whole momentum of the game. And this and that, and so that's typically what you were dealing in weekend and week out. And I think this was my rookie year, and I can remember we had the football and he would beat it sometime down the knee and he took his hand and just raised it up like that, and the whole crowd just like it got definite. And I said, it's no way, this one man shouldn't be able to just raise his hand like this and everybody is in sync, and it just gets I said, man, this is this guy's got too much power up here. I didn't know if I could have figured out a way to kind of distract it or whatever, I would that It was just he was just that that guy. And they hated us. I mean we hated them too, bitch. You know, I had to read the media guy, and I was like, I was a rook and I said, man, I had to understand the rivalry. And then I was reading through the media. Got everything's digital now it's a little book, and I'm reading and I said, oh, the Dolphins beat the Bills like twenty times in a row. And this was back when, like, oh, Jay, I don't think the Bills beat him in the seventies. And they still don't forget even now in the twenty twenty four. They still whatever it was, it was driven so deep in their heart it'll.
Never heal up. So I'm just like, hey, man, it is what it is, is just what we got to do it. We gotta do it. But the thing I can say about it is it's mutual respect after the game. It's just got it. We gotta do this now.
And you know, hey, we'll talk after the game, but right now, you over there and I'm over here, and I'm gonna give you my best for sixty minutes of overtime.
Whatever we gotta do, we're gonna keep swinging until it's whole. Bit.
Just a tremendous mount of respect for them, and this and that. Yeah, it ain't nothing gonna change.
So I don't like them.
Now I deal with them, you know, off the field, I don't have to play anymore, so I don't have to have that animosity.
Like when we went up there and walked down that ramp. You know, I'll never forget that.
And uh my man, leaning backwards, you know, be caught walk down the ramp with the fingers up and I was behind him.
I was like, man, we ain't even kicked off and he's setting it off. And I was like, Hey, that was my teammate. We was gonna ride together. So that that's just the stuff that I remember.
And you forget. Yeah, yeah, seventy eight and the blue and white with the red helmet. Yeah, you can't describe it no better than that. That was a handful.
You know what. It's so funny you talk about the mutual respect after the game.
Well, you told the story about Keith Simms, the interview that Keith Sims pits Bruce off.
You know me, that's before the game right there. So how was the respect before the game? You know? Based off of that story.
And you know what, I blamed Tim McCarry because you know, one thing Keith with my man. Right, I'm gonna tell you what Keith Keith and he'll admit to this today. So when I got drafted by the Dolphins, I was so happy, this and that and uh, they said, hey, we want you to come down to like one of the affiliate studios. They piped me into Miami to do an interview since I was first round pick. So I said yeah, So went down there and then I can't remember, I think I was on NBC that day and they said, what do you think about coach Shuler?
And so I knew he was.
One of the guys that I respected. I've seen the Dolphins on Monday Night football stuff like that. But you know, I was big Tom Landry. I grew up in Dallas, so I kind of put him in that class of coaches.
And I said, oh, yeah, it's gonna be cool.
You know, it looked like he wears shades on the on the sideline, and you know he's got a nice tan and this and that, and so coach san Dusky, which was my line coach, he said, man, he's in a rude awakening, you know when he gets down here. So got down there and we were at juice I don't think you wasn't at Saint Thomas Universe.
I think one the big place today.
He tried to claim it Richmond, like he came to the hard way.
He tried, That's why I came up, man, That's why I got mine, you know what I mean. I grind it out baby University.
Right.
So I come down for mini camp and they pull up to the facility. They picked me up in like one of those white church fans. They bring me to the facility and so the guy said, okay, we're here.
I said.
I said, hey, man, stop playing. You know this can't be the I said, stop playing. He said, no, no, we're here. I said, no, bro, come on now, quit playing.
So I was like, you ain't leaving me here.
Oh man.
So I said, okay, so get there and do the interviews. And then, like the day before, which nobody told me, we had to run a twelve minute run. Oh yeah. So my mistake was I went and looked at the fields. You know, they had those green screens up where you couldn't see through. And I looked and the first thing I said was they said you gotta do like five laps or five whatever. I said, I know we ain't got to run around both of these fields.
You know.
It was just like I get up that morning, they got cones, they got coaches, scouts in every corner, and it's around both fields, and I'm like, I was dumb before I even ran it.
I just I just freaking out. And then what made it worse.
Every time you turn the corner, it was people with stopwatches and saying, hey, you're behind you need to pick it up and pick it up.
It was human.
It was sweating. So I said, Okay, from now, I'm gonna keep my mouth shit. So we come to that and so Keith what I love by Keith. Keith was always my spokesperson. He could I could always whisper something to him and he would be the guy to say it. I was like, I don't figure it out. I need to keep my mouth shit. So we getting ready to play Buffalo. We had beat him in Miami, and so we're going up to Buffalo and we had a guy Till mccaire from the Crib We played at the forty nine ers, but he came to got traded to the Dolphins cornerback and so he was on a little dolphin show or whatever. With Keith a few days before we went to Buffalo, and so Makia was a trash talker, that was just him this net, and then Keith when he got on there, he was trying to be politically correct and then Makyr hyped him up. Non gonna say what you want to say? This neck work, and so he was like what he said, Yeah, I'd rather run, you know, at Bruce Smith than away from him, because what he said was true, because it was almost impossible to cut Bruce Smith off. So I understood what he was saying. And then he talked a little bit about the whole defensive line. I think Cornelius Benning was his net. So we go to Buffalo and you know the this always run out there. Now I can't remember offensive defense got out. We on the sideline, and anybody knows Me and Keith always, for some kind of way ended up side by side for each other. So they introduced the defense for Buffalo. Last, but not least Mster seventy eight. Bruce Smith and he comes running down to deal high five and it's dapping people up and he gets to the end of it and he looks over there and me and keep standing and he starts doing like this.
And.
I said something, and I said, he ain't talking to me because I haven't said anything.
We all laughing. Bit. The thing was they all took turns like jumping over Keith, lining up, trying to beat him in a pass rush, and you know, Keith held his own and this and that, and he was like, oh, man, really, like come on.
We're doing this here. It was funny, but everybody was looking at me. I was like, man, he not looking at me. I hadn't said anything. I had to clear it up on the sideline. I was like, no, I got enough on my hands already. So Keith was always That's why I love him so much today because I was like, man, we need to run the football or something.
And he would come over there to coach shool d.
A run the football, this and that, and I was like, I said, okay, I said, he don't mind Keith that with them, But yeah, I love him to death.
So yeah, that's my man right there.
So at the top of the show, you know, I talked about it. It's been more than four years since you last ove well stepped into the fish tank, and in that conversation we talked about the hall of Fame really towards the end of the show, and you know, of course, Juice and I were fired up. We asked it what the heck was taking so long, and you, being the class act that you are, you told us that you felt like your career has been you had a worthy career and if you got in, you got in, but if you didn't, you weren't going to let it drive you crazy. That was the quote, I'm not going to let it drive me crazy. But that was more than four years ago, Richmond. Where are you at with it today? Because clearly the way it hasn't driven you crazy. But during this time, you've seen a lot of your peers have been enshrined. Right, There's been a couple of guys at your position, Joe Thomas, Tony BISSELLI have gone in the last couple of years, one of your teammates and Zach you just talked about how closely are you following the selection process? And I feel like I know what you're going to say here, but are you ever comparing your career when you see a guy actually get named, When a guy finally gets to that place where they get past the room and they are named to become a member of whatever that year's class is. Do you ever find yourself comparing your career to theirs?
I really don't.
I'm happy for everybody makes it in and matter of fact, at Zach's party last year, I actually saw Tony BISSELLI congratulated him, saw him. Walter Jones came through, so it was a lot of kiv him a while from the Jets he came through. So if I respect your game, no matter regardless of the position or whatever, I'm truly happy for you. But to say that is when you start to make traction, and like I did right now, that's an appreciation with yourself because they say now people are starting to pay attention and say, okay, maybe we need to really look at this guy or look at his body of work, say he is deserving, you know, even for I think last year he was my Bengals teammate that Willi Anders and he was right tackles and playing with him, and he made it to the semifinals. And he's always been an advocate. He's always spoken highly of me and this and that, and I think, you know, he's a guy that's deserving as well. So anytime you make that that thing.
You know, you're kind of getting a push to where you legitimately got a chance to get in the room.
And then they're gonna, you know, go back and forth because I think once you was the next cut maybe like down to fifteen guys or something, and then they select from there.
Correct, they go to fifteen and that's when you're in the room. And from that fifteen they choose the class.
Yeah, they choose a class. So I'm definitely excited. I just appreciate. Actually, it's a huge milestone for me to make it from just being on the list to.
Making a semi finals.
So now I say, okay, now I got an opportunity, some eyes on me, and I got a chance to possibly make you know, make it to the finals and get in the room and then that therapy before you almost got to say, yeah, you make the list, but until you at least make the semifinals or something, it's like maybe not yet, but you just got to keep waiting. But I've seen how it just drove some guys crazy, and I knew they were worthy and they should be in there, but it's just they're gonna only put in so many guys at a time, so it's truly a blessing, especially like you said, being in the modern era, because what I have found out, once you make the seniors, it's a lot lot harder to get in there because it's just they don't select.
So that's that's the unfortunate thing about that, all right, Richard Man.
Everybody can tell by how you talk, how hume you are, man, how nice you are. You know, maybe too damn nice for my liking, you know what I mean, because you are. You know what I mean, So we know it's not your style or complain or talk shit. So just just just not you way too classy for that. But don't you worry. That's why I'm here, big dog, That's why juice is here.
Man. So help me, all right, So help me.
Understand how you're the only offensive tackle from the NFL's nineteen nineties All Decade Team, a team chosen by the Hall of Fame selectors. By the way, you're the only one you know of the four who doesn't have a gold jacket. In fact, eighteen or twenty two offensive players on that team are in the Hall of Fame. Right now, We're not trying to piss off the you know, selection committee. We know that they have a hell of a job. They got a great crew, we know there's responsibilities very high, you know, everything that they have in front of them. But come on, man, I mean seriously, as humble as you are, when you look at that list of guys, you have to be thinking, like man, you have to be thinking that you belong there with you, right.
Yeah, it's not a question of whether you belong. I think me and Zach are not exactly like, but he kind of he kind of approached it the same way. You know, he was like, no, I'm done enough if you look at it. And I didn't know the Hall of Fame voters was one that selected the All Decade team.
But I know two of them. I know, me and Steve Westnowski.
He was a guard former Stately line Yep, Penn State guy, but great, one of my great friends. But you know, we were in Pro Bowls together and this and that, and he's deserving. So yeah, it's not a question of do I believe it or do I know? I know, it's just I can only control so much, so I know that's out of my hands. But I know in the back of my mind that I'm deserving and I know that I did enough to make it in there. It's just whether they make that decision to make make it right to where I'm in there. B That's why I kind of said that four years ago that you know, I can't worry about that. But I'm glad I got teammates like you, Juice, because.
Yeah, you damn right, you damn right, Webby, we know what, we know what's up.
Man.
Hey, if I get in a bar fight, I'm walking in there with guys like you.
You know, I ain't gonna do too much talk and I say it ain't gonna fight, But the ones that's gonna set it off is guys like Juice, you know what I'm saying.
And then he's gonna run behind you. Though that's a problem.
That's why I'm about to say that Big said, I'm gonna start it, but I'm gonna high behind you like I did in the huggle.
Man. I mean when I couldn't see alone, I got brother you right behind me in the huddle anyway. So ain't that ain't no big thing?
Too good? Too good? So you know, Richmond, you talked about being a Zaxxon Shriman and at the party and what have you and then I, you know, going all the way back to twenty seventeen, I remember you were there for JT's. In fact, I feel like, you know, you were sitting kind of right behind me or I don't know that I could have reached you, but you got the longer arms. You might have been able to tap me on the shoulder, but you were like right there. It was like you and Troy what have you. We had to put Richmond behind it Lonzo morning Juice because we had to put somebody tall enough to be able to see behind a Lonzo. So but my question is when Danny went in, right, you were there for that as well. You've watched guys that you played with that it was hot. Yeah, they do it a little bit later now, yeah, they decided to do it a little bit later. So you've watched these guys that you played with go in. What is going through your mind? You know, we just talked about what about when this guy goes in and that guy. Not necessarily comparing yourselves to somebody, but guys that you played with that you went to battle with. What's going through your mind when you're sitting there, and clearly it's important to you to go and support them. I'm just wondering, what is what is a guy like you who we're gonna keep saying deserves to be in there? I want to use that term, but certainly a guy who's who clearly should be in the conversation based on the news that was just revealed here. What are you thinking when you're watching your teammates go through that process?
Well, when I see my teammates go through it, I'm just overjoy you know, Like I said, going with Dan, I remember at the end of his speech, he had Clayton stand up and he threw he said, I'm gonna go deep one more time, and Clayton stead up.
Clayton caught the past.
Remember that fired it at him too, didn't he.
He was nervous as hell. I would have been too, man. The main thing you want to do is you do not want to drop that last pass because Clayton called it. I remember that, and then I think the other other time, my good friend Cortez Kennedy went in. But it's always good because I know a lot of those guys, and so you get to interact with, uh, you know a lot of them. It's almost kind of like being at the Pro Bowl that, but it's it's good. And then you know, guys tell you how they think you deserve. You know, they might say, well, hey man, when they gonna put you in and stuff like that. But like another advocate, Willie Roafe, you know, we played a long song at the same time, and you know he's always been an advocate saying now he definitely deserved. You know, Richmond deserves to be in here, this and that. So it's good when you see other guys that you play with that respect what you did on the field, and a lot of times you don't have to see it, but they say it for you, and they don't mind being public and saying it. I think that's I think that's the way it should be.
You know, big except you know a lot of these guys are as good friends because they spend a lot of time in the white together, you know what I mean. It's like they have a common they have a commings and nominator. And those guys are the guys that he was going to the Pro Bowl with. And obviously those guys he talked about, they got gold jackets. Like like Richmond, you know, obviously deserves to have this gold jacket.
And it's like the annual CEO conference, right if you're in the protector that you get to see he goes to seventh straight.
Yeah, they go to that, They go on that trip, you know what I mean. They tell the tell the family they're going to work, you know what I mean. And next thing you know, they're chiming in Hawaii on the beach with my ties and things like that.
You know what I mean. But uh, it's what it is, you know.
So Webban, let's let's talk about Let's talk about the guy you spend a decade protecting at a Hall of Fame level obviously, and that's Damne you know, man. You know we had Dan in the tank and he flied out said Richmond Webb should be in the Hall of Fame, which we all agree on. Can you talk about what it was like to be, you know, in that huddle with Dan, something you and I know plenty about. But also what was his expectations were? You know, talk about what he expected from you and how he made sure to communicate those expectations to you because you had the tall task. We talked about seth read off the list of guys that you had the block to protect Danny's blindside.
Talk about that a little bit.
You know, the guys that when me and Keith came in, they were the standard and it was like, you're gonna either raise your level or play or you're gonna be out of here. You're gonna be on the sideline. So I think that was the way coach Hut kind of had things designed, is that it was Marina Duper and Clayton, those guys that popped off. And you know, as far as when we first.
Got here, and I remember, I think it was mini camp and we were going through mini camp.
You know, you're trying to learn their plays and you're still thinking because they're throwing information at you. Each practice is sati and so with I think it was the next group in or whatever. So Dan comes up to me and Keith and he said, he what's what's the most important thing you guys got to remember? And so it was like we kind of looked at each other and we was like snap count. He's like, nah, it's like the players. He said, the most important thing y'all got to remember is protect my ass. And I was like, you kind of look at each other and we all laughed in all seriousness he was he was joking that he wasn't joking, you know what I'm saying. And you know, the thing that I could appreciate about Marino was he was such a fierce competitor, which I think we all kind of learned or that kind of influenced.
The way we all played.
But you know, Dan was a guy that could come get on you and cheer you out, but it wasn't personal. He was trying to win, and so he was like, man, I just need a little bit more time, and he would come over there and in that and you know, he said, man, I could kill it these you know, it's like, I can't say everything he said because he was speaking in tons and Italian, but I understood what he said.
You just can't say. I was like, okay. The first time he's like, man, let's go on. I was like okay.
But then you understand, and then you know you're getting the whole. And then he gets that look in his eye which I know, juice know, and then he gets licking those fingers and give him the time, and then he would just shred defenses apart. So I learned that you know how to prepare, you know, during the week. You know how he watched all the extra film. I mean, y'all watched a lot more than we did, but we always watched the end zone copy. Y'all watched the end zone and the wide copy. I didn't need to see all that. I said, I'm just I'll get an end zone or I'll see you on the sideline once we scored. But you know, man, just the way he prepared and the way he executed and went out and played on Sundays consistently for eighteen nineteen years and played it that high of a level. Yeah, I was, I was watching from from close and all that, but I said, man, if this guy does this, I got at least do that because I never wanted to be considered I never wanted no matter where I play, I didn't want to be the weak link. So I was like, no, I gotta raise my level play. And I think that's how we were able to have so much success back when we played.
You know, it's funny said because we really didn't have any tackle eligible plays, so you didn't really have to look at the second day.
As much as we.
You know, it's crazy because Seth and I were talking to like you know, we've had some guys on and said, sometimes Danny would like kind of adjust on the fly. And sometimes you know that sometimes you be up there and you might even know what protection and I think Ruddy might have even talked about it. You guys have to kind of adjust to whatever it is, you know, the protection wise or whatever, like is there a time like sometimes you're like, all right, well, no matter what, we just got to make sure we don't let Danny get hit. I don't know what the hell he just did, but we just got to make sure Danny doesn't get hit right.
Here, you know what.
The funniest times for me, juice and you probably got a little bit of this. But when I first got there, right and I can remember, I think we were playing the Jets, but this I think you I don't know if you. I think it might have been rightful you out there, but anyway, you'll you'll mention. Once I finished the story back, Dan caused the play right until we're gonna run this, and so Duper says no if that he said this mfo here talking noise, run this play and this that Dan said, okay, change and play and he threw the ball at Duper right, and then when we would get in two minutes, what I would love and I couldn't understand. I understood the protection, but Dan could look at the field from like previous plays and he was like, he might say, Juice, if he plays you like this, you run this route. If he plays you this, he's gonna give you at least two options. Then he go to Clayton, he gonna give him two options. He's gonna give Duper. And I'm like, you gotta go through all these progressions. You done gave each guy like two or three different routes, but you gotta remember that because you only got what thirty second clock or something.
We got to get out the whole get to the line.
And sometime it would be two plays and I was like, he said, if you do this and that, and then he would call it and then just rip through. And I was like, how in the hell do you remember what you told Jus, what you told Clayton, what you told Duper. You go out and then you got two or three options each guy, and it's like you go through and just shred it up. And I was just like, I just got to block this guy here. I had it easy or just give him.
I just got that's easy.
They gotta they gotta remember all these damn routes they gotta run or options they got to run. I was just like, man, early on, it was a different level when I got there. I'm telling you, I would just I couldn't. I ain't have nobody to talk to about it. But I would just go home and like try to process what was actually going on. And I don't think because people wouldn't experienced to that. And I'm just, oh, he was throwing. I'm like it was it was something else, and.
It was surgical. It was surgical out there, man.
And then and then the bad quarter about it, says was we get backed up way up there. And the next thing you hear Dan saying on the line, so now I got to run twenty yards to try to get back up here get online. And then he does it again, and I'm like, man, I'm shit, I'm getting tired.
I need to sit down. So that's what it is on the line. That's the you hear that.
You're going to get up to that line because he ain't waiting long, you know, either, we got to clock getting ready to get him there.
He's gonna make a defense collar time out of something it was just saying. It was just like man, people don't understand it was it was something else. I'm telling you.
I love that. So it actually kind of leads me into what I want to ask you here in that same conversation. And I've mentioned this before where sometimes it feels like to me that Dan's greatness is almost being held against some of his teammates when it comes to the Hall of Fame conversation. So and Danny, we asked him about this, and he's like, well, it shouldn't be. You know, it absolutely shouldn't be. But when I look at a guy like you, and I look at a guy like Mark Clayton, it almost seems to me like the counter to the whether it's the selectors or whoever's a nay sayer, the counter to your accomplishments is well, yeah, but he played with Dan Marino, and so like, we get it. We know that Dan had perhaps the quickest release in the history of the game, clearly had this great pocket presence. But I am unwilling to accept that as a reason why you can't be recognized for your own greatness. You know, look, you played ten years, you protected Dan's blindside. He played seventeen seasons. That means more than had sixty percent of his career. You protected his blind side. You did it at an elite level, Richmond, and I you know, let us say it for you, but you did. And I think that doing that for and with someone who had the career that Dan had should also be a feather in your cap. It shouldn't be a detriment. It should couldn't be the reason why we say, well, he can't be that good because he had this guy. It should be like, no, he allowed Dan to continue to be great for so long. And so I just wonder what you think about that.
Yeah, for one, I know that's not true, and that you make a great case when you bring up a guy like Mark Clayton.
I used to watch Clayton when it was clutch times.
It was you know, duper was the deep guy that you know, Clayton could run in between double coverage and get open and just wasn't the fastest guy, but just I mean they were clutched, you know, and Juice came and under that too. Legitim guys too, so he knows he can verify what I'm saying. And then The other thing is, you know, when me and Keith got there, I tell people this all the time because the next thing they were saying, well, he's a great past blocker, but he can't run the football, and I'm like, no, that's not true. Keith went to our state option, I went to A and M. We ran the option. You know, heavily run, so we had to make a one hundred and eighty degree turn because that's what Dan was doing.
And we were brought there not to change the offense.
We were brought there to continue to let Dan Marino do what he does best and did better than anybody else, and that would throw the football. And yeah, he did get it out quick, but there were times where on some of the deeper routes or whatever, it took time to let the play develop.
So it wasn't just like one two gone every time. In the seventy protections, seventy protection, you had to hold on a little longer. We had to get. Seventy protection was a nine step. That's a nine step.
I remember like forties was like three step, nine step, nineties was like five step.
Yeah, so it was just like it takes a little longer this and that. So I don't understand it.
And then you know, as many touchdowns he threw between Clayton and Duper, and then I feel he's been penalized as well. But I don't know where that narrative came from or why they decided to do that. But like Dan said, it shouldn't be that way, and there's nothing that he did to say, well, I did this by myself. We know that because we played with Dan. Hopefully that changes because I'm pulling for Clayton's well, because he deserves me in the Hall of Fame as well.
I hear that.
I hear the argument, you know that the people want to talk about because of Dan being the way it was the pass rush. I mean, it's a passer and your protection him. But you know when they talk about you know, you talk about your run block and where you came from. You know, you weren't just brought into you know when they when they scouted you out of A and M. You weren't just a freaking you know, past protector. You also had to get in the run game and that's all important. It's like, so we talk about this all the time when they say you can't pass block or you can't run block.
I mean, I say, it's bullshit. It really is bullshit.
And you know, and it is you were you were asked to, you know, you maximize your abilities in the scheme that we were operating in.
We were a pass first offense. I mean that's just the way it was.
I mean, hell, when I played at Penn State, Joe Paterno, all we did was running man, you know, And so there's no way my numbers as a receiver, we're going to match up with somebody that's in like a running gun or fred offense. It just wasn't gonna happen. So for you, you know, for those six seasons of your career, you were just pretty much asked to block sixty percent of time somewhere along there, right, So so to be challenged people want to challenge you on your on your run blocking. You know, I think it's short sided, it really is, because they have no idea what you were asked and tasked to do all the time with that with that offense, me help coming from Penn State, all we did was run, run, run, and then I get the Dolphins.
All we do is past, past, past, I mean, hell, that's worked out pretty good. For you. It worked out pretty dad well for me, man, you know what I mean.
The amazing thing is and is like me and Juice total opposite right when we kind of described college versus pros. But the thing that you got to give credit for is like Tom Hecker and those guys in the scouting department saying, Okay, even though I came from a run dominant offense in college, and you can look at it and say, this guy still has the ability of skills set to fit in our system and to do extremely well in the same way with Juice.
You know, Juice used to return punts. I remember that.
I remember that and stuff. And then he got he got big time, and then they moved him to where just to receive you get, you get, you get.
Important that we're talking about. We're talking about risping. Well, we're talking about big sexy right now, we're not talking about Juice.
I'm saying the analogy though, but I'm saying Juice went through the same thing receiver at Penn State where you run wrong. But one thing I can't tell you. They saw tape. They saw he would block his ass off as a wide receiver. So and I remember he laid some chip blocks for me too. I ain't gonna forget that. So yeah, like I tell people that he's the toughest wide receiver I played with. Yeah, Juice, Hey, Wed, they weren't worried about me. They were worried about you, And I snuck the ass man, you know what I mean, whatever you want to call it, I'm taking you give me that.
One by one.
I'm just sneaking them in the ribs while you already got them locked up. I'm just you know what I mean, that's what I need to do. Yeah, Yes, that's it. That's how we don't need a lot.
That's it.
Yeah, So back we're talking about this run block stuff they're talking about, or lack thereof, as straight bullshit to be. We all know what we were tasked to do. We know what you did in college, and we know what when we had to do it, that's what was done. And then I'm not even gonna you know, this is off script, a little bit big seth, but we're not even talking about some of these guys that are in that had these these big time running backs. You know, I love all our running backs, but we never had we don't have any hall of Fame running backs that we're in our backfield when you're out there run blocking, so you know, it's hard to judge anything like that, man. So I you know, I just when they talk about the run blocking part of it, that aspect of it, I always cried bullshit because they don't know what the.
Hell to talk about, you know, you know what, Juice and I had to kind of go through that when the shoola Jimmy Johnson transitions, because I think some kind of way I was labeled the same way, and I had to like prove that. You know, Jimmy wanted to run the football when he got there, we stopped throwing the ball as much as we did. He wanted more of a balance attack, so you know, like you said, we didn't have Hall of Fame running backs. Bit they took the ball out of Dan's hands so much and we ran the football. So I had to like prove that I could do it, even with Jimmy Johnson.
So it was just I was hoping that narrative would change, bit, but sometimes it still pops up from time to time. But yeah, you're right, I'm just making a little notatione B. Well talk about it.
I'm glad you mentioned what you just did, because if you think about it, so Jimmy comes in in ninety six and more and draft Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Now I love Kareem, but Kareem's not going to be a semi finalist in the Hall of Fame, right, you know. And he had a thousand yards rushing his rookie year and and you know, double digit touchdowns I think twice in his first three years. Fast forward to ninety nine. Now you're in your tenth season and Lamar Smith goes for eleven hundred yards and fourteen touchdowns whatever, and it's like you had. There is a body of work with guys that were good but not not legendary backs that still had success when the offense called for for that to happen. So I'm glad you brought that up. There we go, Juice, we pull something.
You know.
I'm glad that Richmond finds a way to be able to say that without taking shots at anybody and just saying, look, this is what the situation is exactly. So man, so much good stuff. I know we're taking a bunch of your time here, and you probably got about sixteen more interviews.
You know, he's on tour right now. Absolutely, y'a saving me from a honey do list. Y'all, y'all.
Publis in the back, publishers in the back of it, giving us this to wrap it up, wrap it up. So we're gonna do that. But in the four years that it's been, I can't believe it's been four years. But in the four years that it's been since you were lasting the fish tank, we started our two minute drill. You talked about two minute offense. So on the line, Richmond Webb, but I'm gonna scream on the line, We're gonna do the fish tank two minute drill. It's gonna be like damn Marino lightning quick release. We just need you to hold on, get through this thing, and then we'll get you out of here.
Sound good, It sounds good. Let's roll.
Don't worry. I made you one promise and I will honor it.
Yeah, we got you where we got you. We got you man. All right?
So ready clock started, all right, here we go and prepping for our interview with Tim Ruddy. You told us that he was a silent assassin because of his quiet, low key sense of humor. Now, who was the most outwardly funny member of the offensive line, Ron.
Heller another Penn State. Yeah, it's pn State. It's a white as.
It seems to be a consistent answer.
We're starting to find Troy Drayton to get nervous because he's gonna be up next.
So yeah, oh buddy, oh buddy.
All right.
Back in April, you were in Detroit for the NFL Draft and you announced the Dolphins second round draft choice. Now, what we want to know was Patrick Paul really the name on the card or were you just convinced that the six seven left tackle who was a Texas native, was just too obvious to pass up.
Man.
I was so happy Patrick Paul was on that list because I can't remember who it was. But somebody went before me in that and then had to announce like like ta has that last name could stumble.
I'm glad I didn't have to do anything like that. I think somebody so it wasn't that.
Position, and it wasn't that he was from Texas. It was at his name.
I wouldn't wanted to announce, I'm gonna tell you that, I wouldn't want to rip his name up.
I got to.
I would have seen to a T from the University of Alabama road tide, you know, off select to a T to a T period, you know what I'm saying, rep But Patrick Paul was perfect me. I'm telling because I was back there looking at the car, at the car and I was talking to Curtis Martin, he was there, and I was from the Jets, you know, running back. He's Hall of Famer. And they handed me that card and I said, lord, please let it just be a normal name, and it was Patrick Paul.
And I was like, by chest inflated out, you know, I walked out there with my strutter. So I got this in time out, make senf time out.
So very few people get to go backstage with this and they get these cards, Big Web. How nervous are these guys back there? Like you said, it sounds like it's a it's a mess back there sometimes because you just don't know, and you're on national teas there from of millions and millions of people, and the name of the car could be the one that you might be remembered for pronouncing correctly or incorrectly for the rest of your life.
And that's crazy. And the thing you don't know, Juice, is like we're talking now. It's like they just give you, Okay, here's the pick, and then the next thing you're walking out there. So they ain't like you've got time to really study and run through the name. You know, O Jake made McDuffie, you got time for that. It's like their called and you're getting ready to head out there.
So yeah, that was Tackle University of Houston. I said, I got this one here.
Yeah.
Yeah, So they don't even give you like phonetically, like some guys need a phonetic like say there was two a tongue of a lower like that'd be hell that I know he went the first round.
He said he's going to a team. That's what he said he was going to do.
And they would have thrown me into it, went to high school or something. Your boy, that's my guy. I'm so happy for you. You know, roll tied down when you know I'm throwing I'm throwing so many distractions. I wonder why he he must really know to it because said last name.
That is so good. Well, it was a great selection anyway, I think. But both you and Chris Career, Yeah, you and Chris Career and the entire scouting staff. I think they got a winner.
Yeah, they didn't let me elaborate. Me and Chris got together. Yeah we can roll with that.
Yeah, okay, time back in, Big sat All right, Richmond, how were to fit you for a gold Hall of Fame jacket? What size would it need to be? Because I just don't feel like I can run over to Macy's and and pull one off the rack. It just didn't seem like I could do.
You have to go to the yellow cab down there, and and you know how they wrapped those vehicles. You have to be just we ain't got we ain't got time for all that material. You know, we ain't got time for that.
Oh it makes sense. Time out again, Okay, you're running through dude. You know, man, we didn't know what I mean we had. But I'm gonna say you this minute, two minutes. I'm just going by what y'all did. I'm playing by. I know, hey, Big Seth, when Big Sexy got on the planes, man on the road tips the amount of material because you know, you know jacket back then he wore from the shoulder down to the knee, right, you know, it looked like a like an overcoat, looked like a you know what I mean, A love under Yeah, man, his his his you know that's why it's big sexy, because it's outfice when transition lens is too juice to dim the lights, you know, because I was coming bringing bringing comfort back and.
Transitions all the day. Yeah, you need them now you just go to the car round. See that's the way we were talking about the humility.
I love it man because his his play in his in his dress were bold, big set, they were loud, you know what I mean.
I loved it absolutely absolutely all right, we got we got one last play on the line. Clock is starting back up again. Listen, we're gonna put this into the universe right now. Okay, there's nothing you can do about it. I'm speaking it into the universe, Richmond web So not if. But when you get that well deserved knock, whenever it might be this year, and when you get that well deserved knock and you are told that you will spend your forever football home in Can't Ohio. Who are you giving your first interview to?
I guess the guy at the front door.
They knock on the door, he probably gets.
To fish Tin't gonna definitely be.
That's what we wanted to hear.
Man, there we go press record right then and there a bit.
Yeah, I didn't figure y'all knock on my door, y'all might y'all might here if you and Juice out town.
I'm like, I don't. I don't think they're letting us get that close. But that is the two minute drill, and my man is close. Richmond Webb. You are so close, but there's still a little ways to go, and we certainly hope you get there because nobody deserves.
It more and we will be there with you webbing. You know that for sure. I know that. Yeah, man, you know I appreciate you. You guys.
Man, ye you know, we we have fun, but I just you know, I missed because we were all there together. We had some really good times, really good people, and so anytime you get to interact with that, it's always a great time. So, like you said, hopefully everything pans out the way that we're believing it's gonna happen, and whenever happens, we don't get together and have a great time.
So I appreciate that, no doubt. Thanks for diving in Webby. Thank you you're now diving.
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