In episode 1524, Jack and Miles are joined by Executive Director of Civil Rights Corps and author of Usual Cruelty, Alec Karakatsanis, to discuss…  "The Criminal Justice System" aka The Criminal Punishment Bureaucracy, Becoming Desensitized To The Normalization Of The System, Seeing It With Fresh Eyes,The History of White Supremacy Over White Collar Accountability, Wait Are We The Baddies? Steps To The Comprehensive Change We Need and more!

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