How do we begin to understand the full economic, human, and environmental impacts of war? This hour we talk with someone who is doing that math.

Plus, a look at the opportunity costs of spending on war. And, the costs of The American Revolution.

GUESTS:

• Neta Crawford: Professor of International Relations at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland and Co-Founder and Strategic Advisor at The Costs of War Project. She is also author of books including The Pentagon, Climate Change, and War: Charting the Rise and Fall of U.S. Military Emissions

• Joseph Ellis: Author of fourteen books, including the Pulitzer Prize winning Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation, and National Book Award winning American Sphinx: The Character of Thomas Jefferson. His newest book is The Great Contradiction: The Tragic Side of the American Founding

Music featured (in order):

• The World Is A Ghetto – War
• Loose Ends – Sergio Mendes, Justin Timberlake, Pharoahe Monch
• The Groom’s Still Waiting at the Altar – Bob Dylan
• When the War Came – The Decemberists
• Hiway 9 – Eliza Gilkyson
• Yorktown (The World Turned Upside Down) – Hamilton Original Broadway Cast