Adam Green — co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee — joins the Chuck Toddcast to make the case that pragmatic economic populism is the Democratic Party's path back to a durable majority, and to push back hard on the conventional wisdom that "moderate" means "centrist." Green argues the public has lost faith in both political and economic systems and is hungry for candidates who tell a clear story about power — pointing to Maine's Graham Platner, Texas's James Talarico, and New York's Zohran Mamdani as examples of progressives who project authentic energy and pragmatic problem-solving rather than ideological purity. He contends that both major parties have already collapsed reputationally even if they haven't yet collapsed structurally, that Democrats could have passed a $12 minimum wage years ago if they'd been willing to compromise, and that recruiting 77-year-old Janet Mills against Platner is symbolic of everything wrong with Chuck Schumer's approach to the Senate. Green is blunt: if Democrats sweep the midterms but leadership remains unchanged, it actually hurts them in 2028 — a Democratic Senate majority should not be read as a validation of Schumer. They discuss why he Democratic brand is so damaged in red and rural states that independent candidates may be the best path to power in places like Montana and Nebraska, and that having someone like Platner in Senate leadership would dramatically improve Democratic performance in rural America.

The conversation digs into the deeper strategic and policy questions facing the party. Green argues Democrats should lead with economic alignment over cultural alignment and that Dems should not put reproductive rights forward as their headline issue if they want to rebuild trust in the heartland. He pushes for progressive lawmakers to assert real leverage against their own leadership, advocates lowering the threshold for discharge petition, and makes the case that getting rid of the filibuster would help Democrats rebuild trust with voters who are tired of seeing nothing get done. Green is open to limited cooperation with Trump if Democrats win both chambers but warns the party shouldn't trim its sails just to get a signature. He explains why the PCC backed Talarico over Crockett , names UAW president Shawn Fain as a potential dark-horse candidate, and floats Stephen Colbert as a genuinely intriguing possibility because performance matters in a media-saturated era. Green argues Talarico, Platner, and Abdul El-Sayed all tell a coherent story about power that voters are hungry to hear, but ultimately, the candidate who runs as a genuine disruptor is the one most likely to win, because the current system is so visibly failing the public.

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00:00 Adam Green (Progressive Change Committee) joins The Chuck ToddCast

02:30 What does it mean to be a pragmatic progressive?

03:45 The mission is to show economic populism can win in swing races

05:00 Graham Platner is a great storyteller, not a policy wonk

06:30 Several progressive candidates project strong masculine energy

08:00 Balancing incrementalism vs. progress

08:45 Mamdani is showing that you can be both progressive & pragmatic

09:45 Misconception is that “moderate” means centrist

10:30 The progressives are demanding a rebalancing of the power dynamics

11:00 Public doesn’t trust the political and economic system, wants change

11:45 How vulnerable are both parties to collapse at some point?

12:30 Both parties have collapsed reputationally, just not structurally

14:15 Dems could have passed $12 minimum wage if they compromised

16:30 If Dems sweep midterms but leaders stay the same, it’s bad for 2028

17:15 If Dems win the senate, it’s not a validation of Schumer

18:30 If Dems elect the non Schumer candidates, he has to go

19:15 Schumer was a really good leader… until he wasn’t

20:00 Recruiting 77 year old Janet Mills is symbolic of Schumer’s strategy

20:45 Sherrod Brown is probably the best Dems can do in Ohio

21:15 Iowa is overindexed as a swing state

23:00 Michigan having El-Sayed & Slokin would show multiple ways to win

24:00 If El-Sayed loses, does that set the progressive movement back?

25:30 Are independents the best route to power in Montana & Nebraska?

26:30 The Democratic brand is shot in most red & rural states

27:45 If Platner was in leadership, Dems would do better in rural states

29:00 What matters more to the PCC, economic or cultural alignment?

30:45 Democrats shouldn’t put out reproductive rights as their banner issue

31:30 Big Dem wins in the past came from economic, not cultural alignment

33:45 Jared Golden able to vote against trans sports bill, focused on economics

36:00 Want to see progressives assert leverage against their leadership

37:00 Proposal to lower the threshold for discharge petitions

37:45 Discharge petitions would actually liberate the leadership a bit

39:00 When too many items are stuffed into a bill, you don’t get credit for them

40:00 Getting rid of the filibuster would help Democrats rebuild trust

41:00 Both parties only like the filibuster when they’re out of power

42:30 Getting rid of stock trading isn’t as simple as it sounds

44:15 Spouses need to be included in stock trading ban

45:00 If Dems win both houses, where should they work with Trump?

46:15 Dems will be elected to be a check on Trump, but need his signature

49:15 Working with Trump requires abandoning the ideas you ran on

50:30 Dems shouldn’t trim their sails in order to work with Trump

53:00 PCC supported Talarico over Crockett for his bold economic vision

55:30 AOC may need to run for president soon, before her “sell by” date

56:15 Stephen Colbert could be an intriguing candidate, performance matters

57:30 Mamdani takes time every day to tell a story on social media

58:45 Shawn Fain could also make a strong candidate

1:00:00 If Talarico wins in Texas, it could put him on the presidential map

1:01:45 Talarico as VP to get his sea legs could be a potential route

1:02:30 McMorrow positioning herself as the “goldilocks” candidate

1:03:15 Being the shake up the system candidate is the way to go

1:04:00 Talarico, Platner & El-Sayed tell a story about power

1:04:45 The current system is failing the public

1:06:45 Preference between Steyer or Porter in California?

1:08:00 AOC raises the most money because people trust her