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Full Episode - Voters Hate The Trump Economy… And It’s Only Getting Worse + A Republican Governor Says What He Really Thinks

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Chuck Todd argues the entire 2026 election is collapsing into a single issue — prices — and that every other story is just a contributing factor. The problem for Republicans is that the economy is going to get worse, not better: price pressure is building across the food supply, the Iran war has disrupted fuel and fertilizer, JP Morgan is warning food inflation could hit 5% by 2027, and Kevin Warsh is going to be forced to raise rates, which will infuriate a president who Chuck argues is focused mainly on his own financial interests and could produce genuinely 1970s-like conditions. Chuck brings back reporting from a visit to the Black Locust Livestock cattle ranch to explain why beef prices can't be fixed by turning a dial: raising cattle is a years-long process, the American herd is historically small, only four companies process the country's beef and capacity is shrinking, and importing more is a short-term patch that damages domestic supply long term. It's the pattern of the whole administration — solving a price problem today by making it worse tomorrow, while the cost of producing food rises because of decisions Trump himself made. Underneath it all sits the number that explains the mood of the country: corporate pre-tax profits are at their highest share since just after World War II while workers take home the smallest share since the 1950s. There is no economic boom for most Americans, Washington keeps misreading the anger, and Trump's own voters are getting hit hardest at the pump.

The war, Chuck argues, isn't just making life expensive — it's making America vulnerable. Defense leaders are warning Hegseth the Iran campaign is unsustainable: barely a quarter of the Navy's destroyer fleet is ready to deploy, advanced munitions stocks are largely burned through, and equipment and personnel are worn out, meaning fighting this war has left the country less capable of fighting the next one. China is the clear winner of Trump's second term, and Chuck’s real worry is Putin testing NATO while looking at an American president desperate for any win. Then there's Venezuela, where Trump has announced the U.S. has seized the country's oil reserves — a move Chuck calls British-empire-style imperialism and highway robbery at gunpoint, asking the obvious question: if Putin did this to a neighbor, what would we call it? The standard shouldn't change because we're the ones doing it, the windfall ought to benefit Venezuelans, and it's worth asking who's actually negotiating this and who stands to profit. It's exactly why two-thirds of South America resents the United States, and why Trump's imperial turn will only compound a credibility problem that's already severe. Chuck closes somewhere more personal: his old high school, Miami's Killian, is down from 3,000 students to 400. The kids didn't disappear — school choice killed the ambition to attend. Big public high schools once defined their communities and forced people to know each other; we traded that for choice and specialization without ever asking what a public school is actually for. We didn't try to fix public education, Chuck argues. We empowered people to escape it — and in doing so gutted one of the real sources of American strength.

 

Then, Ohio Governor Mike DeWine joins the Chuck Toddcast in his final months in office and, freed from ever facing voters again, says exactly what he thinks. The headline is his reversal on capital punishment: DeWine helped write Ohio's death penalty statute as a state senator in 1981 and defended it as attorney general, but in June he called on the legislature to abolish it, saying the moral justification he once had simply no longer exists. He walks Chuck through the practical case — roughly 20 years on average from sentencing to execution, a process that structurally cannot be sped up — and the harder question a Republican has to answer about whether you can be both pro-life and pro-death penalty. That flows into a broader argument about criminal justice that DeWine says has been driven by emotion rather than logic: truly violent offenders are a small percentage of the prison population and those are the people who need to be removed from society, but it's in society's direct self-interest to educate and rehabilitate everyone else. He's equally out of step with his party on immigration, arguing America needs legal immigrants, that we've been educating them and then failing to keep them, that Ohio's economic gains have come from immigrants, and that they're critical to caring for an aging population. On Springfield, DeWine is direct: the Haitian population created real challenges for the community, but they work hard, and it is not in America's interest to deport people who are here and working.

The conversation turns to the economy and the state's political future. DeWine calls the Canada trade war a genuine problem for Ohio — Canada is a major customer — and argues the country needs a real balance between domestic manufacturing and importing rather than a grudge match. On the data center boom reshaping Ohio politics, he says tech companies have an obligation to invest in the communities they move into, notes the technology has improved and no longer requires as much water, and makes the case that nuclear power is what will actually have to underwrite the buildout. He and Chuck get into whether there's a genuine divide between the two factions of the Ohio GOP, and DeWine offers a thoughtful answer about how the nationalization of politics has flattened the local distinctions that once existed inside both parties — and how that nationalization is now in everyone's face every single day. He takes ownership of the COVID shutdown decisions (the buck stopped with him), assesses whether Ohio is genuinely back to purple status with both the governor and Senate races going down to the wire, weighs in on whether the state is in good hands with either Vivek Ramaswamy or Amy Acton — and, of course, whether this is finally Joe Burrow's year.

Finally, Chuck hops into the ToddCast Time Machine to revisit the assassination of President William McKinley and the striking parallels between modern America, and America in 1901. He also answers listeners’ questions in the Ask Chuck segment.

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Timeline:

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00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction

04:30 With return of college football, comes a ton of political advertising

05:00 Football attracts a wide array of potential voters

06:30 Pro-Paxton ad in Texas made China the central theme, blamed Talarico

07:30 GOP has controlled Texas for decades, blaming Talarico is ridiculous

10:00 Dems dismiss the ad as ridiculous, but some people will believe it

12:15 Massachusetts primaries coming up on Tuesday, Sept 1st

14:15 The electorate will be voting on one issue… prices & affordability

15:00 Every other issue is a contributing factor to the price issues

15:45 The problem for Republicans is the economy will get worse, not better

16:30 Price pressures are building across the food supply

16:45 Iran war is causing major issues with the fuel & fertilizer supply

18:00 JP Morgan warns food inflation could reach 5% by 2027

18:30 Kevin Warsh will be forced to raise rates, Trump will be furious

19:00 Trump is only worried about his own personal financial interest

19:45 Fed raising rates to combat inflation will create 1970’s like conditions

20:15 Went to the Black Locust Livestock cattle ranch for Noosphere interview

21:45 Beef prices can’t just be adjusted with the turn of a dial

22:15 Raising cattle is a long term process & our beef herd is historically small

23:00 Trump knows beef prices are hurting him & wanted to import more

24:15 Importing is a short term solution, hurts the long term domestic supply

25:00 Only 4 companies process American beef & we’re losing capacity

25:30 How we can lower beef prices and boost domestic production

26:30 Trump tries to solve price issues in the short term, makes it worse long term

27:00 The price to produce food is rising because of decisions Trump made

27:45 Corporate pre-tax profits are at highest share since aftermath of WW2

28:15 Workers are getting lowest take home share of profits since 1950s

29:00 This is why voters across the spectrum are so pissed off at the system

29:30 There’s no economic boom for most Americans

30:15 Washington continues to misunderstand the anger of the voters

30:45 Trump voters are getting hardest hit by higher gas prices

32:30 Iran war isn’t just making things expensive, it’s making us more vulnerable

33:00 Defense leaders warning Hegseth the Iran war is unsustainable

33:45 Hegseth has put America in more danger than it’s been in since Cold War

34:15 Barely 1/4th of the Navy’s destroyer fleet is ready to deploy

34:45 We’ve burned through most of our advanced munitions

35:15 We’ve worn out our military equipment and personnel

36:00 Fighting this war has made us less capable of fighting the next war

36:30 China has been the biggest winner of Trump’s second term

37:00 What are we no longer willing to do because of the Iran war?

38:00 We’ve spent all this money on the military… and we’re tapped out?

38:30 We should be incredibly concerned about Putin testing NATO

39:15 Putin sees an American president desperate for a win

40:00 Trump announced that we’ve seized Venezuela’s oil reserves

40:45 This feels like British empire style imperialism

42:00 If Putin had done this to another country… what would we call it?

42:30 The standards shouldn’t be different because WE are doing it

43:30 Who is doing this negotiation and who stands to benefit?

44:30 Shouldn’t the windfall from Venezuelan oil benefit Venezuelans?

45:00 Trump is taking Venezuela’s oil at gunpoint, it’s highway robbery

46:00 This is why 2/3rd’s of South America hates the United States

46:30 Trump wants to make America and empire… and the world will hate us

48:00 This compounds America’s credibility problem globally

49:00 The world is only going to hate America & Americans more due to Trump

51:00 Chuck’s high school, Killian is down to 400 students from 3,000

51:45 The kids didn’t disappear, school choice killed ambition to attend there

53:00 Big successful public high schools defined their communities

54:30 Connection between community and schools has broken down

55:00 School choice creates communities not based in their neighborhood

56:00 We haven’t asked “What do we want a public school to do for a community?”

56:45 A public school is central to creating a local community

57:30 We trade choice and specialization, for a community that isn’t forced to interact

59:00 Killian’s community is still a good one, but the character changed

1:00:15 What exactly is public education for? Is it purely for kids' education?

1:01:00 The public school system was a source of our power… and we’ve gutted it

1:01:30 We didn’t try to fix public ed, we tried to empower people to escape it

1:03:45 We created more choices, but did we make education better?

1:05:45 We lost a place where we were forced to get to know each other

1:10:15 Governor Mike DeWine joins the Chuck ToddCast

1:11:30 More comfortable speaking out since not running for office

1:12:45 Mike’s argument against the death penalty

1:13:15 It takes 20 years on average from adjudication to execution

1:13:45 Death penalty process is not able to be sped up

1:15:15 We need to have legal immigrants admitted to America

1:16:30 We were educating immigrants, then not having them stay

1:17:15 Ohio’s economic increases have come from immigrants

1:17:45 Immigrants are critical to caring for our aging population

1:18:30 Can you be pro-life and pro-death penalty?

1:20:15 Putting an emphasis on rehabilitating prisoners

1:21:30 It’s in the self-interest of society to educate inmates

1:22:45 Emotion rather than logic & nuance drives the crime debate

1:23:45 Truly violent criminals are a very small percentage of the population

1:24:15 Violent criminals are the ones you have to get out of society

1:25:30 America goes through pro-immigration and anti-immigration phases

1:26:15 We need people who want to work

1:26:45 Haitians in Springfield created challenges, but they work hard

1:27:45 It’s not in our interest to deport people who are here and working

1:29:00 Haiti is a major challenge

1:32:00 Canada trade war is a problem, they’re a major customer for Ohio

1:33:45 Need a balance between manufacturing here and importing

1:36:00 Is there a divide in Ohio GOP between the two factions?

1:38:45 There used to be major distinctions within the parties

1:39:45 Nationalization of politics has stymied local distinctions within parties

1:40:45 The nationalization is now in everyone’s face everyday

1:43:15 Tech companies need to invest in communities where they put data centers

1:44:00 The data center tech is getting better, don’t have to use as much water

1:45:00 Need to invest in nuclear power in order to power the data center boom

1:45:45 Is Ohio in good hands with Ramaswamy or Acton as governor?

1:47:30 Shutdown decisions during COVID were the governor's choice. Buck stops with him

1:48:30 Is Ohio back to purple state status?

1:49:45 The governor and senate races will go down to the wire

1:50:15 Will this finally be Joe Burrow’s year?

1:52:00 ToddCast Time Machine - The Assassination of William McKinley

1:52:30 Of all presidential assassinations, Americans know the least about this one

1:53:00 The assassin was Leon Czolgosz, an anarchist who felt system was unjust

1:53:45 After McKinley died, Teddy Roosevelt became president

1:54:15 Czolgosz actually produced some of the political change he wanted

1:55:00 Modern America echoes America in 1901

1:56:00 Czolgosz saw political assassinations create change in Europe

1:57:45 Other anarchists thought Czolgosz was too committed, maybe a plant

1:58:15 Emma Goldman argues that societal conditions explain the assassination

1:59:00 When people conclude politics won’t solve problems, they look to alternatives

1:59:45 The assassination happened at a fair showing celebrating technological advances

2:00:30 The United States was emerging as a world power, but there were two Americas

2:01:00 One America saw dynamism, the other saw exploitation

2:01:30 The setting of the assassination was almost poetic

2:02:15 Doctors treating McKinley were too afraid to use new X-ray technology

2:03:15 Lincoln’s son was actually nearby during the assassination

2:03:45 Roosevelt was installed as VP by party bosses to get rid of him

2:04:30 Roosevelt sworn in at age 42, and understood the conditions for political radicalism

2:05:00 Roosevelt argues for the “Square Deal” and goes after concentrated corporate power

2:06:00 The uncomfortable truth: Does assassination provide the sought political change?

2:06:45 Lincoln and JFK’s assassination both changed the political timeline

2:08:00 Czolgosz was convicted and executed weeks after McKinley’s death

2:08:30 Congress passes the Anarchist Exclusion Act, Goldman is deported

2:10:00 The forces that produced Czolgosz weren’t confined to America

2:10:30 Roosevelt’s policies helped prevent a Russian-style revolution

2:11:00 Roosevelt argues capitalism has to be regulated and restrained

2:12:15 America in 2026 isn’t America 1901, but it does rhyme

2:13:15 Ask Chuck

2:13:30 What do you make of James Talarico’s status in Texas?

2:19:30 Thoughts on Project 2025, is it a threat and is Trump following it?

2:21:45 Do you think the Trump administration will still act on Cuba?

2:24:00 Why not make the Attorney General an elected position?

2:27:45 Do you see your political independence as a protest against duopoly?

2:32:00 Takeaways from first week of college football

 
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