Charlie is joined by Pastors Rick Brown and Rob McCoy of Godspeak Church in Thousand Oaks, California to help make sense of the events of the last few days. Armed with a biblical foundation, the three navigate two simultaneous realities of the present moment: 1) this is indeed a time of threshing but 2) we also are living in heroic times. If you are struggling to make sense of the chaos, this is a must listen to episode.