The veneration of Mary, St. Nicholas vs. Santa Clause, and should kids be forced to earn their Christmas presents? Charlie welcomes Pastor David Engelhardt of Kings' Church NYC to discuss all of the most explosive issues for conservatives surrounding the Christmas holiday. What is the true meaning of the holiday? How should parents teach their kids about gift giving, gift receiving, and behaving well in hopes of receiving a good gift come Christmas morning? Pastor David is the author of "Good Kills: God, Good, and The Sword," which everyone should pick up at a store online or near you. The book, and this conversation, brings back to the center the paradoxical framework of God's justice, His complexity and strength in balance with His grace, His mercy, and His patience.