The ends justify the means: a statement often applied to Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli, but one he never actually said, has come to define one of the most influential political thinkers of the Renaissance and of all modern political theory. But have we oversimplified Machiavelli? What could we learn from him if we looked a level deeper? What should we reject? Charlie sits down with Dr. Khalil Habib, a Machiavelli expert and political philosophy professor from Hillsdale College, to explain his actual perspective on war, virtue, pragmatism, and civics. The two explore this great thinker and trace his influence throughout the years including the American founding.

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